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FootballOutsiders 2009 Predictions (1 Viewer)

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I searched their site and I can't seem to find their 2009 predicted standings. In the past these guys have been fairly accurate. If the information is free for all, can someone from this fine website post them here? It should make for a good discussion. If they have already been posted, feel free to delete this post.

www.footballoutsiders.com

 
I searched their site and I can't seem to find their 2009 predicted standings. In the past these guys have been fairly accurate. If the information is free for all, can someone from this fine website post them here? It should make for a good discussion. If they have already been posted, feel free to delete this post.

www.footballoutsiders.com
It's not free. If you are looking for team predictions, it's in their Almanac, formerly known as the Pro Football Prospectus. Excellent analysis using some very unique statistics. If you are looking for player projections, it's in their Kubiak spreadsheet.The Chicago Sun Times summarized what FO thought of Da Bears: http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/2009/07/19...ball_outsi.html

 
I searched their site and I can't seem to find their 2009 predicted standings. In the past these guys have been fairly accurate. If the information is free for all, can someone from this fine website post them here? It should make for a good discussion. If they have already been posted, feel free to delete this post.

www.footballoutsiders.com
It's not free. If you are looking for team predictions, it's in their Almanac, formerly known as the Pro Football Prospectus. Excellent analysis using some very unique statistics. If you are looking for player projections, it's in their Kubiak spreadsheet.The Chicago Sun Times summarized what FO thought of Da Bears: http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/2009/07/19...ball_outsi.html
More free content on the web. The Rams will make the playoffs!!http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07...s-and-chargers/

Before we set out to write Football Outsiders Almanac, we analyze thousands of variables to create the most accurate preseason forecasts in the business. Sometimes our computer models produce such off-the-wall predictions that we laugh out loud.

Take last year: The computers predicted that the 5-11 Ravens would bounce back from a bad season and go deep into the playoffs. We all had a hearty laugh about that one. We stopped laughing when the Ravens went 11-5 and reached the A.F.C. championship game.

Before the 2007 season, our models said the Packers would bounce back on the strength of — get this — a comeback season by Brett Favre. Another howler that just happened to come true.

Nowadays when the computer models produce a surprise team, we hold the chuckles and dig deeper into the data. Even when that surprise team is the Rams.

The Rams haven’t had a winning season since 2003. They have won five games in two years. All the big names from their Super Bowl runs — Kurt Warner, Marshall Faulk, Isaac Bruce, Torry Holt, Orlando Pace — have moved on or retired. Sure, the former Giants assistant Steve Spagnuolo has great potential as a head coach, but isn’t a Rams playoff prediction a little … ridiculous? Yet there it is, on Page 78 of the Football Outsiders Almanac: the Rams have a 48 percent chance of winning nine or more games, giving them almost even odds of becoming this year’s “miracle” team.

It turns out that Spagnuolo isn’t the only reason for optimism in St. Louis. Many statistical indicators suggest that the Rams are close to rising again. One is their fumble recovery percentage: the Rams forced 17 fumbles last year but recovered just 5, a sign that with better luck and a dose of Spagnuolo’s coaching, their defense will create a few more turnovers.

The Rams were one of the worst teams in the league in red zone running, and it takes only a slight improvement in that area to make a big difference on the scoreboard. The Rams lost many of their starters to injuries in 2008 and can get better just by getting healthier.

One other major factor works in the Rams’ favor: their division. The Seahawks are rebuilding. The 49ers haven’t had a winning season since 2002. The Cardinals won the conference, but they are no powerhouse. With a few slight improvements, the Rams could easily go 4-2 or 5-1 against the N.F.C. West. Those wins alone would give them their best record in three years!

Our other surprise team for 2009 is less of a surprise. You know that the Chargers have a lot of talent, that their defense will get a boost by the return of Shawne Merriman, and that their 2008 record was marred by a blown call that cost them a game against the Broncos. They look like a 9-7 or 10-6 win team to the naked eye, but our models project them to have one of the best records in the league: they have an 87 percent chance of winning eleven games or more. The reasons: a critical mass of talented defenders just entering their primes, an overlooked passing game that’s among the league’s best, and a schedule full of down-and-out division opponents. The only thing that can stop the Chargers may be their own head coach: Norv Turner’s teams rarely live up to their projections. It’s hard to see how he can mess this situation up.

Not all of our predictions are surprising, but all are based on the best available data and research. Over the next few weeks, I’ll share the predictions for the Jets and the Giants with Fifth Down readers, plus some thoughts on the N.F.C. East and A.F.C. East. To get all 32 team predictions, in addition to fantasy projections for hundreds of players, a college preview and more, check out Football Outsiders Almanac 2009.
 
I posted this article in the 49ers offseason thread.

So, looking ahead now …

Turning aside all the hype surrounding the Mike Singletary regime, the 2009 guide gives the 49ers a only 10 percent chance of being a playoff contender (9-10 wins) and a 51 percent chance of sliding back into Loserville (4-6 wins).

“I don’t like to be the buzzkill,’’ Barnwell, one of the book’s co-authors, said during a phone interview. “But I was really shocked at how bad they are. Realistically, if they played in a worse division, they could be the Lions.”

The book notes that the 49ers have not had a winning record beyond Week 3 in five years. They haven’t scored 40 points once during that time frame. The current roster is a collection of mediocrity thanks to misfires in the draft and free agency.

Notably, even Shaun Hill takes a hit. The quarterback won over fans – and the locker room — with his gutsy play down the stretch, but the book writes:

Much has been made of Hill’s 7-3 record as the 49ers starter, but it is misguided enthusiasm. Two of his wins came against last year’s 2-14 Rams. Two more came against teams with nothing to play for, including the 2007 Bucca neers, who were actively resting all their players. That leaves Hill with a win over the Bengals in 2007 and vic tories over the Bills and Jets last year, in which the team scored a combined 54 points. Color us impressed.

Along with dousing Hill with cold water, the book urges caution regarding the 49ers’ recent knack for grinding out close games. The 49ers’ 9-5 record in games decided by three points or less should be reason for concern, not hope, Barnwell said.

“We haven’t found (winning close games) to be an indication of future success,’’ he said. “In fact, it’s the opposite: It’s the teams that really blow away the opposition that are poised for success.

“When a team is really dominating inferior opponents, that’s the best indicator of better days ahead.”
It’s also really, really ominous for the 49ers. Football Outsiders deemed McCloughan’s current roster to be generally lacking on both sides of the ball. There are a handful of star players and a whole lot of borderline ones. Here, for example, is the book’s appraisal of tight end Vernon Davis:

Davis’ skill set entering into his fourth season boils down to being a poor man’s Jim Kleinsasser. Davis was supposed to be a terrifying downfield threat against linebackers and safeties thanks to his 4.38 40-yard dash; instead, his NFL average of 11.0 yards per catch puts him behind such noted speed demons as Brent Celek and Des mond Clark. On the bright side, he is just as muscular as when the Niners fell in love with him.

Overall, the team projection is similarly grim – much to Barnwell’s dismay. He said that if everything – everything — goes right, the 49ers could be in the mix for a playoff spot. But overall, the forecast looks like this:

2009 Mean Projection: 5.7 wins

On the Clock (0-3 wins): 15%

Loserville (4-6): 51%

Mediocrity (7-8): 22%

Playoff Contender (9-10): 10%

Super Bowl Contender (11+): 2%
 
They seem to like the Rams every year, along with the Eagles and Bucs.

Interesting stuff nonetheless. Beats reading espn predictions that generally amount to the previous year's standings.

 
I searched their site and I can't seem to find their 2009 predicted standings. In the past these guys have been fairly accurate. If the information is free for all, can someone from this fine website post them here? It should make for a good discussion. If they have already been posted, feel free to delete this post.

www.footballoutsiders.com
It's not free. If you are looking for team predictions, it's in their Almanac, formerly known as the Pro Football Prospectus. Excellent analysis using some very unique statistics. If you are looking for player projections, it's in their Kubiak spreadsheet.The Chicago Sun Times summarized what FO thought of Da Bears: http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/2009/07/19...ball_outsi.html
More free content on the web. The Rams will make the playoffs!!http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07...s-and-chargers/

Before we set out to write Football Outsiders Almanac, we analyze thousands of variables to create the most accurate preseason forecasts in the business. Sometimes our computer models produce such off-the-wall predictions that we laugh out loud.

Take last year: The computers predicted that the 5-11 Ravens would bounce back from a bad season and go deep into the playoffs. We all had a hearty laugh about that one. We stopped laughing when the Ravens went 11-5 and reached the A.F.C. championship game.

Before the 2007 season, our models said the Packers would bounce back on the strength of — get this — a comeback season by Brett Favre. Another howler that just happened to come true.

Nowadays when the computer models produce a surprise team, we hold the chuckles and dig deeper into the data. Even when that surprise team is the Rams.

The Rams haven’t had a winning season since 2003. They have won five games in two years. All the big names from their Super Bowl runs — Kurt Warner, Marshall Faulk, Isaac Bruce, Torry Holt, Orlando Pace — have moved on or retired. Sure, the former Giants assistant Steve Spagnuolo has great potential as a head coach, but isn’t a Rams playoff prediction a little … ridiculous? Yet there it is, on Page 78 of the Football Outsiders Almanac: the Rams have a 48 percent chance of winning nine or more games, giving them almost even odds of becoming this year’s “miracle” team.

It turns out that Spagnuolo isn’t the only reason for optimism in St. Louis. Many statistical indicators suggest that the Rams are close to rising again. One is their fumble recovery percentage: the Rams forced 17 fumbles last year but recovered just 5, a sign that with better luck and a dose of Spagnuolo’s coaching, their defense will create a few more turnovers.

The Rams were one of the worst teams in the league in red zone running, and it takes only a slight improvement in that area to make a big difference on the scoreboard. The Rams lost many of their starters to injuries in 2008 and can get better just by getting healthier.

One other major factor works in the Rams’ favor: their division. The Seahawks are rebuilding. The 49ers haven’t had a winning season since 2002. The Cardinals won the conference, but they are no powerhouse. With a few slight improvements, the Rams could easily go 4-2 or 5-1 against the N.F.C. West. Those wins alone would give them their best record in three years!

Our other surprise team for 2009 is less of a surprise. You know that the Chargers have a lot of talent, that their defense will get a boost by the return of Shawne Merriman, and that their 2008 record was marred by a blown call that cost them a game against the Broncos. They look like a 9-7 or 10-6 win team to the naked eye, but our models project them to have one of the best records in the league: they have an 87 percent chance of winning eleven games or more. The reasons: a critical mass of talented defenders just entering their primes, an overlooked passing game that’s among the league’s best, and a schedule full of down-and-out division opponents. The only thing that can stop the Chargers may be their own head coach: Norv Turner’s teams rarely live up to their projections. It’s hard to see how he can mess this situation up.

Not all of our predictions are surprising, but all are based on the best available data and research. Over the next few weeks, I’ll share the predictions for the Jets and the Giants with Fifth Down readers, plus some thoughts on the N.F.C. East and A.F.C. East. To get all 32 team predictions, in addition to fantasy projections for hundreds of players, a college preview and more, check out Football Outsiders Almanac 2009.
Thanks for sharing, this is appreciated!!!Giants below

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Free download for Giants: http://footballoutsiders.com/ramblings/200...new-york-giants

(i took out the stats, the grids wouldn't show up well)

An important concept to remember when it comes to any sort of statistical or trend analysis is that correlation does not necessarily mean causation. Tak­en on the most literal level, it's painfully obvious. The fact that you spilled some mustard on your pants at lunch and then got a promotion later in the day does not mean that you should be liberally dousing yourself with Gulden's regularly. It gets trickier, though, when you notice results that would rea­sonably follow from an event. If that promotion came the day after you wore your suit to the of­fice for the first time in a year, well, you might start dressing up for work ev­ery day.

With that idea in mind, we present the 2008 New York Giants. Be­fore Plaxico Burress shot himself in the leg on an ill-fated night in Novem­ber, the team was 10-1; afterwards, they went 3-3, including a playoff loss at home against the archrival Eagles. The cor­relation of the incident to the team's downswing in performance yielded a simple narrative: The Gi­ants offense wasn't as good without Plaxico Burress, and it turned them into a totally different team.

That narrative is simply untrue.

Table 1: Sweat Pants ≠ Holster:

Giants’ DVOA With and Without Plaxico Burress

_______________________Weeks _____Off Pass ___Off Run ___Defense __Def Sack Rate

w/ Plaxico _______________1-4, 6-11 __29.5% ____21.1% ____-6.5% ____9.4%

w/o Plaxico ______________5, 12-19 ___36.1% ____18.7%_____ 0.4% ____5.5%

w/o Plaxico, SEA excluded __12-19 _____29.9% ____11.3% _____2.6% ____5.3%

The Giants' passing offense actually improved with Burress out of the lineup (Table 1). That analysis in­cludes the Week 12 game against the Cardinals, in which Burress came out in the first quarter with a hamstring injury and didn't return, as well as the NFC Divisional Round loss to the Eagles. Burress was also suspended for the Week 5 game against the Seahawks; if you include this 44-6 victory, the Burress-free pass­ing game looks even more impressive. The running game declined some without the threat of Burress stretching the field to concern opposing safeties, but it wasn't enough to drag the offense down; the team's offensive DVOA was 20.6% with Burress in the lineup and 27.8% over the eight games he wasn't around.

Although the Giants scored 27.5 points per game with Burress in the lineup and 23.8 when he was sidelined (includ­ing the Cardinals and Seahawks games), they played a harder slate of defenses. The average defensive DVOA of the teams that faced them when they had Burress was -2.1%; without Bur­ress, the average team they faced had a -5.9% defensive DVOA.

Instead, what drove the Giants' demise was the de­fense. Unless you want to pin the blame on Antonio Pierce's extracurricular is­sues related to the Burress incident, Burress had nothing to do with the decline. Instead, it was a regression in the team's sack rate that correlated well with the team's dip in performance, cul­minating in the playoff game versus the Eagles in which — despite playing behind an offensive line missing multiple starters — Donovan McNabb was not sacked once (although a hurry led to an intentional grounding penalty in the end zone).

While Justin Tuck had 8.5 sacks over the first ten games of the season and a re­spectable 3.5 more in the final seven games of the year (from Arizona on), everyone else disappeared. Mathias Kiwanuka had 8.5 sacks by the Cardinals game and 1.5 after. Fred Robbins, Dave Tollefson, and Barry Cofield combined for 11 sacks before the trip to Glendale and all of one sack afterwards.

It's impossible to pinpoint the exact cause of the pre­cipitous drop. The preseason loss of Osi Umenyiora to a torn lateral meniscus undoubtedly stretched the team, forcing them to move Kiwanuka back to defensive end on what appears to be a permanent basis. Robbins was the only rotation player to miss a game of any consequence, so there wasn't a dramatic shift in the team's injury rate. There's no sign that the scheme of newly-departed de­fensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo stagnated or was "figured out" by opposing offenses, either.

The working theory of the Giants organization is sim­pler: The front seven got tired. Although they knew that getting Umenyiora back would help assuage some depth issues, general manager Jerry Reese went shop­ping in free agency and came back with linebacker Mi­chael Boley and defensive tackles Rocky Bernard and Chris Canty. Canty is the most interesting signing of the three; a defensive end in Dallas' 3-4 scheme, Canty will move to defensive tackle for the Giants and play there on most downs. All in all, the team should be able to rotate as many as four starting-caliber defenders at both end and tackle, while Boley and second-round pick Clint Sintim project as the new starters at outside line­backer. New defensive coordinator Bill Sheridan hopes to get more of a pass rush from those spots than a year ago, when starters Gerris Wilkinson and Danny Clark combined for zero sacks.

Sheridan's ascension to the role follow­ing Spagnuolo's departure for St. Louis will come with some changes. Spagnuolo's blitz-happy scheme relied on a combination of speed and deception; a typical play, for example, might involve lining up Kiwanu­ka and Tuck on the same side of the field, only to have them drop back while the overload blitz came from the other side. Perhaps owing to the increased depth al­lowed him by the free agent acquisitions, Sheridan has said that he will move away from the Jim Johnson-in­fluenced subterfuge and employ simpler blitz schemes, relying on fresher players to get past tired blockers.

Table 2: Giants Defense by Type of Pass Rush

Giants ___________________Rest Of NFL

Rushers YPA SuccessRate__ _YPA SuccessRate

3 ______8.4 __38% __________6.5 ___57%

4 ______5.4 __60% __________6.2 ___55%

5 ______7.2 __57% __________6.3 ___55%

6 ______5.6 __59% __________5.4 ___60%

7 ______4.9 __50% __________5.1 ___64%

ZoneBlitz 7.9 __50%__________ 5.9___ 58%

On one hand, you can see how the move would make sense. Dropping Tuck or Umenyiora into cov­erage prevents them from doing what they do best — rush the passer — as frequently as possible. When the Giants ran zone blitzes a year ago, they were sig­nificantly worse than the average NFL team (Table 2). They were most successful when they rushed four and dropped seven into coverage. When Spagnuolo got on the head coaching radar by holding the Patri­ots to 13 points in the Giants' Super Bowl XLII win, he didn't devise some brilliant blitz scheme to throw Tom Brady and company off track. He simply rushed four on most plays and dropped his linebackers into hook zones that interfered with the routes of the Patri­ots' underneath receivers. Expect Sheridan to employ more of that approach in 2009, with fewer big-blitzes or blitzes out of the secondary.

It's that secondary which may end up being the con­cern of the defense. While Corey Webster built on his 2007 playoff performance and had a huge 2008 cam­paign, the rest of the secondary was unimpressive. Aaron Ross looked lost for most of the year, taking too many false steps and failing to make tackles downfield. Nickel corner Terrell Thomas looked very good as a rookie, and might end up taking Ross' job if the former Texas star continues to struggle, but the Giants would be much better off if Ross could hold up in coverage and Thomas could stay in the nickel. There's also un­certainty at safety, where 2008 first-round pick Kenny Phillips takes over at strong safety from James Butler, with no depth behind either him or free starter Michael Johnson. The organization's failure to address depth is­sues before the sixth round of this year's draft — the team signed only mediocre Texans safety C.C. Brown in free agency — could very well come back to bite them if Webster or Phillips goes down with an injury.

The place where New York has impressively man­aged to avoid injury for two years running is on the offensive line. No starter has missed a regular-season game for two seasons. (We say "New York" and not "the Giants" because it's also true of the Jets over the past two years.) It's a remarkable accomplishment, considering that no other team has seen its starting five linemen make it through two consecutive seasons without missing a single start since 2003. In 2002 and 2003, both the Chiefs and the Vikings managed to pull off the feat; neither made it to three years, al­though the Chiefs' starters only missed a single game in 2004; the Vikings' linemen missed 18 games in each of 2004 and 2005.

For the Giants, the basis of their team's strength is in the combination of the offensive line with fullback Madison Hedgecock, so losing even one player for any period of time would be a huge problem. When Kareem McKenzie struggled with a back injury last year and had to come out for periodic extended breath­ers in the middle of games, he was replaced by utility lineman Kevin Boothe, who proceeded to nearly get Eli Manning killed. The team has only Boothe and second-round pick William Beatty for recognizable backups, so an injury to a key player like right guard Chris Snee or center Shaun O'Hara could be disas­trous for the offense.

Even more disastrous, of course, would be the loss of Eli Manning. The once-embattled quarterback had his best season as a pro in 2008, improving his com­pletion percentage and yards per attempt while cutting his interceptions in half, although it's worth noting that his six dropped interceptions were tied for third-most in the league. Manning still has accuracy issues — his rating of 80.9 percent on our accuracy index (see Appendix) was below the league average of 82.6 percent, and 26th amongst quarterbacks who threw at last 100 passes, but he has improved his accuracy on crossing routes and short out patterns. He saw a huge leap in his performance on third down, thanks to the great early-season performance of second-year re­ceiver Steve Smith, but Smith regressed at the end of the year; he had 14 conversions on third down through Week 12, but only three afterwards. Although the of­fense as a whole didn't skip a beat without Burress, it's very possible that Smith's performance was affected; much like Wes Welker and Randy Moss in New Eng­land, Burress' ability to occupy the safety from the moment the ball is snapped prevents the safety from biting on the underneath route and making Smith pay when he decides to go over the middle.

We'll likely find out whether that was the case in 2009, because after the Giants released Burress and decided not to acquire either Braylon Edwards or An­quan Boldin, they spent two draft picks on receivers who are unlikely to reproduce Burress' production. First-round pick Hakeem Nicks (North Carolina) is a good route-runner who likely profiles as the replace­ment for Amani Toomer on the other side of the field, while third-rounder Ramses Barden (Cal Poly) has the height (6-foot-6) but not many of the same skills that Burress had; namely, running effective routes and catching the ball. Instead, the team will likely employ Domenik Hixon as the primary "X" receiver once more; Hixon had a 6.5% DVOA when he was starting in Burress' role (as opposed to Burress' 4.9% DVOA), with a superior catch rate and yardage per catch to­tal. In other words, he played better, prominent drop against Philly aside.

The brook is also bubbling with talent at running back, where the departure of Derrick Ward in free agency should open up a spot for either Danny Ware or Ahmad Bradshaw. Bradshaw had a bit of a lost sea­son in 2008, thanks in part to spending a chunk of his offseason in jail. Although he's a talented runner, the Giants would like to have the backup to Brandon Ja­cobs be someone who can pass block, and Bradshaw isn't that guy. Ware, a coaches' favorite, could very well emerge as the primary backup and become a fan­tasy sleeper thanks to Jacobs' annual injury.

Reese has built a powerhouse team around two of­ten-dominant lines and a very good quarterback. In the long run, it will be keeping those cornerstones healthy and intact that will determine the success of this team, not the presence of one wide receiver. As long as the offensive line doesn't fall apart and the pass rush doesn't totally collapse under Sheridan, the Giants are the favorites in the NFC East, if not the NFC as a whole.

Could Madison Hedgecock not be the blocker that people think he is? Big Blue had the league's second biggest difference between runs from single-back sets (40.9% DVOA, 6.7 yards per carry) and runs from two-back sets (8.8% DVOA, 4.4 yards per carry). The only team with a bigger difference was division rival Philadelphia, a team famous for spurning the fullback position in recent years. 6 Opponents blitzed Eli Manning with at least five pass rushers on 41 percent of pass plays, the highest rate in the league — and they did it because it works. The Giants had a league-leading 62.9% DVOA when opponents rushed four, but 5.6% DVOA (24th) when opponents rushed five and -10.9% DVOA (22nd) when opponents rushed six or more. 6 On the de­fensive side of the ball, the Giants' use of the big blitz (six or more pass rushers) over the past three seasons has gone from 3.1 percent of passes (30th in the NFL) to 10.6 percent of passes (10th) to 15.9 percent of passes (second). 6 The Giants gave up only 2.8 yards per carry on draw plays, and ranked fourth in defensive DVOA. 6 The Giants had the league's best fumble recovery rate on offense (recovering 11 of 14) but the league's worst fumble recovery rate on defense (recovering only five of 17). 6 Despite New York's excellent running game, Tom Coughlin has actually become less aggressive on fourth down over time. For his career, Coughlin ranks 36 out of 95 coaches (1994-2008) with an Aggressiveness Index of 1.075. However, Coughlin has not had AI above 1.0 (league average) since he started coaching the Giants five years ago, and last year he had the lowest AI of his career.

It's interesting to compare how our numbers match up with perception; although conventional wisdom — and most people's eyes — had the Giants as the best run-blocking line in recent memory, our numbers list Denver as the best set of run blockers in football. That's reinforced by their Power numbers. Wouldn't the best run-blocking line in football be able to get a yard when they need it? In reality, we suspect that the Giants were actually the best line when it comes to the ground game in 2008, but that the difference between them and the rest of the league was overstated.

The Giants' run game involves lots of pulling guards and patience on sweeps, traps, and counter plays, al­though the team does not hesitate to pull either left tackle David Diehl or center Shaun O'Hara. (Right tackle Kareem McKenzie goes for a jaunt less frequently.) Right guard Chris Snee is the star, a mauler who can effec­tively block anyone on the field at any level. O'Hara's superb at chipping defensive tackles and then occupying a linebacker, thereby preventing them from getting over to the edge before the back makes his cut and heads up the field. You'll note that the team was far better running to the left side than they were to the right; that's the difference in ability between Snee (pulling to the left) and left guard Rich Seubert (pulling to the right). Seubert was better in 2007, and he'd still be a starting guard on a fair amount of NFL teams, but he remains the line's weakest link.

The starters were very good in pass protection. Diehl went from tying for the league lead with 11 sacks al­lowed in 2007 to five last year, only slightly above-average for a left tackle. He still struggles to play with leverage against pass rushers on the outside, though; overcompensating for his lack of speed, he gets out of his base easily and can be pushed back to the quarterback.

We say "the starters" because of the performance of one Kevin Boothe. Taking over for a banged-up McK­enzie over the course of the season, Boothe allowed four sacks despite seeing, perhaps, one-tenth of the snaps that McKenzie played. Boothe's struggles are a sign of what may very well happen when someone on the of­fensive line does suffer an injury. Perhaps with Boothe's struggles in mind, the Giants spent the 60th overall pick on UConn tackle William Beatty, who profiles as the long-term replacement for McKenzie at right tackle. At 6-foot-5, Guy Whimper returns as the other backup tackle after missing all of 2008 with a broken foot; with the departure of backup center/guard Grey Ruegamer, Whimper or Boothe could also see time at guard if either Seubert or Snee go down.

By making so many additions to what was an already fearsome front seven, the Giants give themselves all kinds of redundancies and fallback plans.

At defensive end, Osi Umenyiora returns from a lost year, thanks a torn lateral meniscus suffered in the war of attrition that is the yearly Giants-Jets exhibition game. (For those who don't remember, Jason Sehorn suffered a career-changing knee injury in the same game years earlier.) Umenyiora will start on the right side, with Justin Tuck on the left side. Having given up on converting Mathias Kiwanuka into a linebacker, the team will liber­ally rotate Kiwanuka in for Umenyiora and Tuck to keep all three fresh; it'll dampen the tackle and sack totals for the starters in IDP leagues, but might keep them healthy and productive for all 16 games. The same sort of rotation will exist on the interior; expect free-agent acquisitions Chris Canty and Rocky Bernard to start, but the team will rotate Jay Alford, Barry Cofield, and Fred Robbins in and out virtually every down. Robbins tired badly down the stretch last year, with all 5.5 of his sacks coming by Week 7.

Middle linebacker Antonio Pierce is the heart and soul of the defense, and while he's still an effective run blitzer, he struggled mightily in coverage last year. He is sometimes victimized solely because he's the one guy left in a hook zone when the blitz doesn't get there, but even that doesn't explain away how poor his perfor­mance was. Among qualifying linebackers, only James Farrior allowed more than the 5.8 yards after catch aver­aged on throws with Pierce in coverage. Pierce will have new bookends around him that might help this year, though; the weakside starter will be former Atlanta linebacker Michael Boley. Boley fell out of favor with the new regime in Atlanta because of his struggles against the run, and even lost his job at the end of the season, but the Giants recognize that Boley is an explosive athlete capable of rushing the passer (although he didn't show it last year) and being an effective pass defender both in zone and against tight ends in man coverage. Although we don't often use the term in football, he'll make for a nice platoon with second-year linebacker Bryan Kehl, who isn't much of a pass rusher, but does a good job of plugging up holes in the running game.

The strongside linebacker will be second-round pick Clint Sintim, assuming that he picks up the playbook and the speed of the game at the level the Giants expect him to. 2008 starter Danny Clark, thrust into the position after Kiwanuka was moved to end, was inconsistent and limited athletically; in a front seven built on quickness and the ability to rush the passer, Sintim's a better bet. The Virginia product had 11 sacks as a senior, so he can get to the quarterback, but he's not particularly experienced in coverage and might not have the skill set to play on the outside. Don't be surprised if he eventually replaces Pierce at middle linebacker, but for now, he gives the team yet another pass rusher. Sintim will be backed up by Gerris Wilkinson and special teams demon Zak DeOssie.

After we devoted a whole section of the Giants chapter in last year's book to the myth that Corey Webster took a huge step forward in the playoffs, well, Corey Webster went ahead and took a huge step forward during the 2008 regular season. Only a year removed from being a healthy scratch during parts of the 2007 campaign, Webster looked like a stud cornerback on film in 2008, combining his athleticism with significantly improved awareness and footwork to stick to opposing wideouts. Webster led the league by breaking up an impressive 32.1 percent of the passes thrown at him, and he even became a better tackler and willing run defender on the edge. On this form, his five-year, $43.5 million dollar contract extension was well deserved.

Across from him, though, was disappointment: Aaron Ross was expected to be a competent corner as soon as he stepped on to an NFL field after starring at Texas, and while he was acceptable in 2007, teams avoiding Webster enjoyed plenty of success going after Ross in 2008. He was lucky to be the beneficiary of six drops, or his numbers would have looked even worse. Ross struggled to get proper jams at the line, and then when receiv­ers caught the ball, he had tackling issues. Ross will get another season to prove that 2008 was just an off year, but if he struggles early, his replacement may very well be the promising Terrell Thomas, who'd be high on our Top 25 Prospects list if he had been the first third-round pick of the 2008 draft instead of the final second-round pick. In addition to being an excellent player on coverage units, Thomas was superb as the team's slot corner, taking the job away from Kevin Dockery and Sam Madison by Week 8. Madison was released in the offseason and might retire, while Dockery will be back for the final year of his rookie deal as the dime corner.

The only other change in the secondary is at strong safety, where James Butler followed Steve Spagnuolo to St. Louis. The Giants will likely move Michael Johnson, who started at free safety last year, to that spot. That opens up free safety for 2008 first-round pick Kenny Phillips, who impressed in limited duty last year. Johnson isn't great in coverage and works best as a blitzer and run defender close to the line of scrimmage, so he's likely a better fit at strong safety. Phillips will need to hold the fort deep when the blitz doesn't get there. The Giants imported C.C. Brown from Houston to back both safeties up; it is in the best interests of Giants fans everywhere that he does not make it onto the field.

Top 25 Prospects list if he had been the first third-round pick of the 2008 draft instead of the final second-round pick. In addition to being an excellent player on coverage units, Thomas was superb as the team's slot corner, taking the job away from Kevin Dockery and Sam Madison by Week 8. Madison was released in the offseason and might retire, while Dockery will be back for the final year of his rookie deal as the dime corner.

The only other change in the secondary is at strong safety, where James Butler followed Steve Spagnuolo to St. Louis. The Giants will likely move Michael Johnson, who started at free safety last year, to that spot. That opens up free safety for 2008 first-round pick Kenny Phillips, who impressed in limited duty last year. Johnson isn't great in coverage and works best as a blitzer and run defender close to the line of scrimmage, so he's likely a better fit at strong safety. Phillips will need to hold the fort deep when the blitz doesn't get there. The Giants imported C.C. Brown from Houston to back both safeties up; it is in the best interests of Giants fans everywhere that he does not make it onto the field.

When Lawrence Tynes went down with a knee injury in camp, the team brought in John Carney as his replace­ment. Carney proceeded to start the year by kicking 12 consecutive field goals, giving him the job for good and limiting Tynes to kickoff duties when he was able to get on the active roster. It wasn't the right play; as good as Carney was on field goals, he had no leg strength. The 44-year-old only attempted one field goal beyond 50 yards, and he was the worst kickoff man in football; coincidentally, he was not retained by the team. Somehow, this combination added up to a Pro Bowl trip. Punter Jeff Feagles made the Pro Bowl at 42, thanks to his abil­ity to avoid returns of any sort by accurately angling his punts or simply kicking them out of bounds. He'll be back for another year.

The coverage units are run by DeOssie, who was added to the Pro Bowl roster by the coaches in only his second season. He's joined on an above-average coverage unit by Thomas and backup middle linebacker Chase Blackburn. The team used a four-man wedge last year, so that will change. Domenik Hixon was competent when he returned punts, but he's probably off those duties if he's going to start at wide receiver, leaving a hole at the position. Ahmad Bradshaw was unimpressive and inconsistent as a kick returner, but with the Giants arguably needing to justify his roster spot, expect him to be the primary man on kickoff returns in 2009.

Trends and Splits

_________________Offense ___Rank ___Defense ___Rank

Total DVOA _______23.7% _____3 _____-1.5% _____8

Unadjusted VOA ___22.9% _____4 _____-1.2% _____8

Weighted trend ____20.7% _____7 _____-0.4% ____10

Variance __________5.7% ______9 _____4.8%_____ 9

Average opponent __0.6% _____31____ -2.3%_____ 3

Passing ___________35.7% _____5 _____1.9% ____11

Rushing ___________20.7%_____ 3 ____-5.6% ____12

First down _________21.2%_____ 1 ___-16.3%____ 4

Second down ______20.5% ____11 ____8.1% ____18

Third down ________34.4%_____ 6____ 12.5%___ 22

First half__________ 21.7% _____1 ___-2.2% ____11

Second half _______26.2%_____ 3____ -0.8%____ 9

Red Zone _________17.8%_____ 8____ -0.7% ___17

Late and close _____30.0%_____ 1____ 7.3%____ 20

Coaching Staff

The departure of Spagnuolo to St. Louis resulted in the promotion of Bill Sheridan from linebackers coach to defensive coordinator. It will be Sheridan's first time as the defensive coordinator at any level. Sheridan has said that he will retain Spagnuolo's scheme, but drop his pass rushers — specifically Tuck — into pass coverage less frequently, with the idea that they're better off going after the quarterback more often. That should create more opportunities for pressure, but also eliminate some of the confusion that Spagnuolo's defense thrived upon.

Offensively, Kevin Gilbride took some heat for his play-calling against the Eagles in the Divisional round loss, but the problem was less with the scheme and more with the execution. Gilbride has had a habit of wearing out his welcome, though, so it wouldn't a surprise to see the blame fall on him if the offense gets off to a slow start. Head coach Tom Coughlin appears to have moved on from his old drill instructor style of coaching per­manently, but again, it'll be interesting to see what happens if the team does struggle at the start of the year.

2009 Mean Projection: 10.0 wins

On the Clock (0-3): 1%

Loserville (4-6): 8%

Mediocrity (7-8): 18%

Playoff Contender (9-10): 31%

Super Bowl Contender (11+): 42%

Projected Average Opponent: -2.9% (28th)

 
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I've paid for the Kubiak predictions for the past few years. I like them because he is willing to think outside the box and give you some differing perspectives on players that are really against the groupthink consensus. To name a few that hit, he had Shaun Alexander basically off his board after his bad season when most were expecting a top-10 bounce back season. Another was a high ranking of Braylon Edwards before he had that monster season. Sure, some of those type of picks are wiffs, but it's refreshing to see someone throw out some picks that are really against the grain.

I won't draft off his projections straight up, because a lot of them don't provide good value if you take the players where he's got them, but they are a good marker for identifying some guys that might be sleepers and some players the majority might have overrated based on last season's performance.

 
These guys are clowns. They invent this metric, DVOA, fall in love with it without really testing it, and then use it to justify all sorts of ridiculous positions, such as claiming that the Giants offense was better when it was scoring 23.8 points per game than when it was scoring 27.5 points per game.

 
Explanation of FO's stats

DVOA EXPLAINED

DVOA is a method of evaluating teams, units, or players. It takes every single play during the NFL season and compares each one to a league-average baseline based on situation. DVOA measures not just yardage, but yardage towards a first down: five yards on third-and-4 are worth more than five yards on first-and-10 and much more than five yards on third-and-12. Red zone plays are worth more than other plays. Performance is also adjusted for the quality of the opponent. DVOA is a percentage, so a team with a DVOA of 10.0% is 10 percent better than the average team, and a quarterback with a DVOA of -20.0% is 20 percent worse than the average quarterback. Because DVOA measures scoring, defenses are better when they are negative. For more detail, read below.

The majority of the ratings featured on FootballOutsiders.com are based on DVOA, or Defense-adjusted Value Over Average. DVOA breaks down every single play of the NFL season to see how much success offensive players achieved in each specific situation compared to the league average in that situation, adjusted for the strength of the opponent.

The NFL determines the best players by adding up all their yards no matter what situations they came in or how many plays it took to get them. Now why would they do that? Football has one objective-to get to the end zone-and two ways to achieve that, by gaining yards and getting first downs. These two goals need to be balanced to determine a player's value or a team's performance.All the yards in the world aren't useful if they all come in eight-yard chunks on third-and-10.

The popularity of fantasy football only exaggerates the problem. Fans have gotten used to judging players based on how much they help fantasy teams win and lose, not how much they help real teams win and lose. But fantasy scoring skews things by counting the yard between the one and the goal line as 61 times more important than all the other yards on the field. Let's say, for example, that Anquan Boldin catches a pass on third-and-15 and goes 50 yards but gets tackled two yards from the goal line, and then Tim Hightower takes the ball on first-and-goal from the two-yard line and plunges in for the score. Or, let's say that the Cardinals are playing the Falcons. The Falcons take a touchback on the opening kickoff, and the Carolina defense stuffs the Falcons running game twice, and on third-and-10 Matt Ryan throws the ball into the arms of Adrian Wilson, who gets taken down by Michael Turner at the two-yard line. Then on the ensuing first-and-goal, Hightower scores a touchdown.

Has Hightower done something special? Not really. When an offense gets the ball on first-and-goal at the two-yard line, they are going to score a touchdown five out of six times. In the first situation, Hightower is getting the credit that primarily belongs to the passing game. In the second situation, Hightower is getting the credit that primarily belongs to the defense.

DVOA does a better job of distributing credit for scoring points and winning games. It uses a value based on both total yards and yards towards a first down, based on work done by Pete Palmer, Bob Carroll, and John Thorn in their seminal book, The Hidden Game of Football. On first down, a play is considered a success if it gains 45 percent of needed yards; on second down, a play needs to gain 60 percent of needed yards; on third or fourth down, only gaining a new first down is considered success.

We then expand upon that basic idea with a more complicated system of "success points." A successful play is worth one point, an unsuccessful play zero points. Extra points are awarded for big plays, gradually increasing to three points for 10 yards, four points for 20 yards, and five points for 40 yards or more. There are fractional points in between. (For example, eight yards on third-and-10 is worth 0.63 "success points.") Losing four yards is -1 point, losing 12 yards is -1.8 points, an interception is -6 points, and a fumble is worth anywhere from -1.70 to -3.98 points depending on how often a fumble in that situation is lost to the defense - no matter who actually recovers the fumble. Red zone plays are worth 20 percent more, and there is a bonus given for a touchdown.

(The system is a bit more complex than the one in Hidden Game thanks to a number of improvements since we launched the site in 2003.)

Every single play run in the NFL gets a "success value" based on this system, and then that number gets compared to the average success values of plays in similar situations for all players, adjusted for a number of variables. These include down and distance, field location, time remaining in game, and current scoring lead or deficit. Teams are always compared to one standard, as the team made its own choice whether to pass or rush. However, when it comes to individual players, rushing plays are compared to other rushing plays, passing plays to other passing plays, tight ends get compared to tight ends and wideouts to wideouts.

Imagine two running backs who each gain three yards. Player A gains three yards under a set of circumstances where the average NFL running back gains only two yards (for example, third-and-1), it can be argued that Player A has a certain amount of value above others at his position. Likewise, if Player B gains three yards on a play where, under similar circumstances, an average NFL back would be expected to gain five yards (for example, second-and-15), it can be argued that Player B has negative value relative to others at his position.

Once we have all our adjustments, we can find the difference between this player's success and the expected success of an average running back in the same situation (or between this defense and the average defense in the same situation, etc.). Add up every play by a certain team or player, divide by the total baseline for success in all those situations, and you get VOA, or Value Over Average.

Of course, the biggest variable in football is the fact that each team plays a different schedule. By adjusting each play based on the defense's average success in stopping that type of play over the course of a season, we get DVOA, or Defense-adjusted Value Over Average. Rushing and passing plays are adjusted based on down and location on the field; receiving plays are also adjusted based on how the defense performs against passes to running backs, tight ends, and wide receivers. Defenses are adjusted based on the average success of the offenses they are facing. (Yes, this is still called DVOA, for the sake of simplicity.)

The biggest advantage of DVOA is the ability to break teams and players down to find strengths and weaknesses in a variety of situations. In the aggregate, DVOA may not be quite as accurate as some of the other, similar "power ratings" formulas based on comparing drives rather than individual plays, but, unlike those other ratings, DVOA can be separated not only by player but also by down, or by week, or by distance needed for first down. This can give us a better idea of not just which team is better but why, and what a team has to do in order to improve itself in the future. You will find DVOA used by Football Outsiders in a lot of different ways. Because it takes every single play into account, it can be used to measure a player or a team's performance in any situation. All Minnesota third downs can be compared to how an average team does on third down. JaMarcus Russell or David Garrard can each be compared to how an average quarterback performs in the red zone, or with a lead, or in the second half of the game.

Since it compares each play only to plays with similar circumstances, it gives a more accurate picture of how much better a team really is compared to the league as a whole. The list of top DVOA offenses on third down, for example, is more accurate than the conventional NFL conversion statistic because it takes into account that converting third-and-long is more difficult than converting third-and-short, and that a turnover is worse than an incomplete pass because it doesn't provide the opportunity to move the other team back with a punt on fourth down.

One of the hardest parts of understanding a new statistic is grasping the idea of what numbers represent good performance or bad performance. We try to make that easy with DVOA, because it gets compared to average. Therefore, 0% always represents league-average. A positive DVOA represents that the offense is more likely to score, and a negative DVOA represents that the defense is more likely to stop them. This is why the best offenses have positive DVOA ratings and the best defenses have negative DVOA ratings.

Ratings for teams and starting players generally follow that scale, with the best being around 30% and the worst being around -30% (opposite for defense). However, because the baseline represents four years of play (2002-2005) no year will average exactly 0%. Over the past four years, offensive levels have bounced back and forth, so in 2002 and 2004 the league average was positive, and in 2003 and 2005 it was negative. In 2006 it was at 0%, and in 2007 it was positive again.

Team DVOA totals combine offense and defense, and the team total is given by offense minus defense to take into account that better defenses are more negative. (Special teams performance is also added, as described below.)

DPAR EXPLAINED

(Note: We still have yet to update this article to reflect the change in our stats from Points to Yards Above Replacement. Those updates are coming soon, but the basic ideas behind DPAR are the same as the basic ideas behind the current stat, DYAR.)

After using DVOA for a few months, we came across a strange phenomenon: well-regarded players, particularly those known for their durability, had DVOA ratings that came out around average. The reason is that DVOA, by virtue of being a percentage or rate statistic, doesn’t take into account the cumulative value of having a player producing at a league-average level over the course of an above-average number of plays. By definition, an average level of performance is better than that provided by half of the league and the ability to maintain that level of performance while carrying a heavy work load is very valuable indeed. In addition, a player who is involved in a high number of plays can draw the defense’s attention away from other parts of the offense, and, if that player is a running back, he can take time off the clock with repeated runs.

Let's say you have a running back who carries the ball 300 times in a season. What would happen if you were to remove this player from his team's offense? What would happen to those 300 plays? Well, the player would not be replaced by thin air. This is why you have to compare performance to some kind of baseline; two yards is not two yards better than the alternative. On the other hand, while comparing players to the league average works on a per play basis, it doesn't work on a total basis because a player removed from an offense is not generally replaced by a similar player. Those 300 plays will generally be given to a significantly worse player, someone who is the backup because he doesn't have as much experience and/or talent.

To take this into account, we borrowed the concept of replacement level from Baseball Prospectus. Using a scale similar to the scale BP uses to determine baseball's replacement level, we've determined that a replacement level player has a DVOA of roughly -13.3%. (If you want to know why, it is explained in the original article introducing PAR.) Instead of determining value by comparing each play's "success value" to the average, as in DVOA, each play is instead compared to a number roughly 13.3% below the average success value of similar plays. That gives us value over a replacement level player, a better representation of a player's total contribution to his team on all his plays.

Actually, while in general replacement level is -13.3%, technically it is different for each position depending on whether we are measuring passing, rushing, or receiving. And, of course, the real replacement player is different for each team in the NFL. (Kansas City started 2005 with Larry Johnson as the backup running back, while Houston had Vernand Morency. Big difference there.) No starter can be blamed for the poor performance of his backup, so we create a general replacement level for use across the league.

Of course, giving a number of "success value points over replacement level" would be fairly useless to the average fan and even the non-average fan. Ben Roethlisberger was worth 119.5 success value points over replacement in 2005, you would have no idea what the heck we were talking about. So we translate those success value points into a number that represents actual points. After working through statistics from the past five seasons, our best approximation is that a team made up entirely of replacement-level players would be outscored 407 to 260, finishing with a 4-12 record. Conveniently, this is close to the average record of the last four expansion teams. But part of the reason this team gives up so many more points than it scores is that it has replacement-level special teams. Those replacement level special teams are worth -27 points, making the actual baseline for determining offensive value 274 points (the baseline for defensive value is 394 points).

With a bit of math, it works out that each "success value point" over replacement level is worth about .48 actual points above this offensive baseline. We also adjust this number for the strength of the opponents each player has faced. Now I can tell you that Ben Roethlisberger was worth 57.4 points more than a replacement level quarterback in 2005, or 57.4 DPAR (Defense-adjusted Points Above Replacement). Tom Brady was worth 104.0 DPAR, Kyle Orton was worth -38.9 DPAR, and so on.

HOW CAN A 16-GAME SEASON BE SIGNIFICANT?

Football statistics can't be analyzed in the same way baseball statistics are. After all, there are only 16 games in a season. Baseball has ten times more, and even the NBA offers five times more. The more games, the more events to analyze, and the more events to analyze, the more statistical significance.

That is true, but the trick is to consider each play in an NFL game as a separate event. For example, Eli Manning played only 16 games in 2005, but in those 16 games he had 586 passing plays (including sacks) and 29 rushing plays (including scrambles) for a total of 615 events. Manny Ramirez in 2005 played in 152 games and had 650 plate appearances. For the most part, a quarterback who plays a full season will have almost the same number of plays as a baseball hitter who plays in most of his team's games.

A running back will have fewer plays than a quarterback, and wide receivers and tight ends will have even fewer. But there should still be enough plays with most starting running backs and receivers to allow for analysis with some significance. As an example, LaDanian Tomlinson ran the ball 339 times in 2005, and was the target of 77 pass targets (including incompletes), for a total of 416 plays. In general, a starting running back will have 375-450 plays over 16 games. Receivers are used a bit less, and therefore their stats are likely not as accurate. In general, starting wide receivers have 75-150 pass targets over a full season.

ISSUES WITH DVOA/DPAR

You need to have the entire play-by-play of a season in order to compute it, so it is useless for comparing players of today to players of history. As of this writing, we have processed nine seasons, 1997-2005.

DVOA is limited by what's included in the official NFL play-by-play, so we can't say which teams have the best offensive DVOA when play-faking, or the best defensive DVOA against three-receiver sets. Since play-by-play lists tackles, sacks, and interceptions, but not attempted tackles, or attempted sacks or interceptions, we don't have individual DVOA or DPAR for defensive players at this point. We're working on these issues with the Football Outsiders game charting project.

DVOA is still far away from the point where we can use it to represent the value of a player separate from the performance of his ten teammates that are also involved in each play. That means that when we say, "Larry Johnson has a DVOA of 27.6%," what we are really saying is "Larry Johnson, playing in the Kansas City offensive system with the Kansas City offensive line blocking for him and Damon Huard selling the fake when necessary, has a DVOA of 27.6%."

With fewer situations to measure, the numbers spread out a bit more, so you'll see more extreme DVOA ratings for part-time players and for measurements of teams in more specific situations (for example, passing on third downs). The charts listing players in order of DVOA have cut-offs for number of attempts, because players with just a handful of plays end up with absurd VOA and DVOA numbers. (In 2002, for example, Henry Burris had a -103% passing DVOA.)

Passing statistics include sacks as well as fumbles on aborted snaps. Receiving statistics include all passes intended for the receiver in question, including those that are incomplete or intercepted. At some point, we hope to be able to determine just how much impact different receivers have on completes vs. incomplete passes, but various regression analyses make it clear that both quarterback and receiver have an impact on whether a pass is complete or not. The word passes refers to both complete and incomplete pass attempts.

Unless we say otherwise, all references to third down also include the handful of rushing and passing plays that take place on fourth down (primarily fourth-and-1).

DVOA FOR SPECIAL TEAMS

The problem with a system based on measuring both yardage and yardage towards a first down, of course, is what to do with plays that don't have the possibility of a first down. Special teams are an important part of football and we needed a way to add that performance to the team DVOA ranking. Our special teams metric includes five separate measurements: field goals (and extra points), net punting, punt returns, net kickoffs, and kick returns.

The foundation of most of these special teams ratings is the concept that each yard line has a different value based on how the likelihood of scoring changes with better field position. In Hidden Game, the authors suggested that the value of field position for the offense existed on a straight line with your own goal line being worth -2 points, the 50-yard line 2 points, and the opposing goal line 6 points. (-2 points isn't just the value of a safety; it also reflects the fact that when you are backed up in your own zone, you are likely going to see your drive stall, and you'll need to punt and give the ball to the other team in good field position. Thus, the defense is more likely to score next.) We use a more refined set of values based on our research, but the idea is the same.

The special teams ratings compare each kick or punt to the league average for based on the point value of field position at the position of each kick, catch, and return. We've determined a league average for how far a kick goes based on the yard line from where the kick occurs (almost always the 30-yard line for kickoffs, variable for punts) and a league average for how far a return goes based on both the yard line where the ball is caught and the distance that it traveled in the air.

The kicking or punting team is rated based on net points compared to average, taking into account both the kick and the return if there is one. Because the average return is always positive, punts that are not returnable (touchbacks, out of bounds, fair catches, and punts downed by the coverage unit) will rate higher than punts of the same distance which are returnable. (This is also true of touchbacks on kickoffs.) There are also separate individual ratings for kickers and punters that are based only on distance and whether the kick is returnable, otherwise assuming an average return in order to judge the kicker separate from the coverage. For the return team, the rating is only based on how many points the return is worth compared to average, based on the location of the catch and the distance the ball traveled in the air. Return teams are not judged on the distance of kicks, nor are they judged on kicks that cannot be returned.

Field goal kicking is measured differently. Measuring kickers by field goal percentage is a bit absurd, as it assumes that all field goals are of equal difficulty. In our metric, each field goal is compared to the average number of points scored on all field goal attempts from that distance. The value of a field goal increases as distance from the goal line increases.

Kickoffs, punts, and field goals are then adjusted based on weather and altitude. It will surprise no one to learn that it is easier to kick the ball in Denver or a dome than it is to kick the ball in Buffalo in December. Because we do not yet have enough data to tailor our adjustments specifically to each stadium, each one is assigned to one of four categories: Cold, Warm, Dome, and Denver/Mexico. Beginning this year, there's an additional adjustment dropping the value of field goals in Florida and raising the value of punts in San Francisco.

Once we've totaled how many points above or below average can be attributed to special teams, another formula then transforms these numbers from points to DVOA so the ratings can be added to offense and defense to get total team DVOA.

There are three aspects of special teams that don't show up in our numbers because a team has little or no influence on them -- and yet, these plays do have an impact on wins and losses. The first is the length of kickoffs by the opposing team, because no matter how strong your return man is, you can't make the other guy kick it shorter. The other two are field goals against your team, and punt distance against your team. Research shows no indication that teams can influence the accuracy or strength of field-goal kickers and punters, except for blocks. And although blocked field goals and punts are definitely skillful plays, they are so rare that they have no correlation to how well teams have played in the past or will play in the future. Special teams ratings also do not include two-point conversions or onside kick attempts, which like blocks are so infrequent as to be statistically insignificant in judging future performance.

ADJUSTED LINE YARDS EXPLAINED

(Note: The Adjusted Line Yards formula was substantially overhauled in the summer of 2005. Adjusted Line Yards in articles from 2003 and 2004 are based on a different formula and will look smaller.)

One exception to the use of DVOA/DYAR, and the use of "play success" instead of raw yardage, is the rating system for offensive and defensive lines. Actually, these are only measures of running plays, and of course the defensive numbers don't measure just the defensive line, but the whole front seven against the run.

One of the most difficult goals of statistical analysis in football is somehow isolating how much responsibility for a play lies with each of the 22 men on the field. Nowhere is this as obvious as the running game, where one player runs while up to nine other players -- including wideouts, tight ends, and fullback -- block in different directions. None of the statistics we use for measuring rushing -- yards, touchdowns, yards per carry -- differentiate between the contribution of the running back and the contribution of the offensive line. Neither do our advanced metrics DVOA and DYAR.

We have enough data amassed that we can try to separate the effect that the running back has on a particular play from the effect of the offensive line (and other offensive blockers) and the effect of the defense. A team might have two running backs in its stable: RB A, who averages 3.0 yards per carry, and RB B, who averages 3.5 yards per carry. Who is the better back? Imagine that RB A doesn't just average 3.0 yards per carry, but gets exactly 3 yards on every single carry, while RB B has a highly variable yardage output: sometimes 5 yards, sometimes -2 yards, sometimes 20 yards. The difference in variability between the runners can be exploited to not only determine the difference between the runners, but the effect the offensive line has on every running play.

We know that at some point in every long running play, the running back has gotten past all of his offensive line blocks. From here on, the rest of the play is dependent on the runner's own speed and elusiveness, combined with the speed and tackling ability of the defensive players. If Tiki Barber breaks through the line for 50 yards, avoiding tacklers all the way to the goal line, his offensive line has done a great job -- but they aren't responsible for most of that run. How much are they responsible for?

For each running back carry, we calculated the probability that the back involved would run for the specific yardage on that play, based on that back's average yardage per carry and the variability of their yardage on every play. We also calculated the probability that the offense would get the yardage based on the team's rushing average and variability without the back involved in the play, and the probability that the defense would give up the specific amount of yardage based on its average rushing yards allowed per carry and variability. For example, based on his rushing average and variability, the probability in 2004 that Tiki Barber would have a positive carry was 80% while the probability that Giants would have a positive carry without Barber running was only 73%.

Yardage ends up falling into roughly the following combinations: Losses, 0-4 yards, 5-10 yards, and 11+ yards. In general, the offensive line is 20% more responsible for lost yardage than it is for yardage gained up to four yards, but 50% less responsible for yardage gained from 5-10 yards, and not responsible for yardage past that. Thus, the creation of Adjusted Line Yards.

Adjusted Line Yards take every carry by a running back and apply those percentages. (We don't include carries by receivers, which are usually based on deception rather than straight blocking, or carries by quarterbacks, which are generally busted passing plays except in Atlanta.) Those numbers are then adjusted based on down, distance, and situation as well as opponent (similar to DVOA) and then normalized so that the league average for Adjusted Line Yards per carry is the same as the league average for RB yards per carry (currently, we use 4.08).

Runs are listed by the NFL in seven different directions: left/right end, left/right tackle, left/right guard, and middle. Further research showed no statistically significant difference between how well a team performed on runs listed middle, left guard, and right guard, so we also list runs separated into five different directions. Note that there may not be a statistically significant difference between right tackle and middle/guard either, but until we can research further (and for the sake of symmetry) we do still split out runs behind the right tackle separately.

The system is far from perfect. We don't know when a guard is pulling and when a guard is blocking straight ahead. We know that some runners are just inherently better going up the middle, and some are better going side to side, and we can't measure how much that impacts these numbers. We have no way of knowing the blocking contribution made by fullbacks, tight ends, or wide receivers.

Other numbers we use to measure the running game:

10+ Yards gives the percentage of the team's rushing yards that come from double-digit runs, past the first 10 yards of each run. So for a 15-yard run, five yards are counted; for an 80-yard run, 70 yards are counted. This number gives you an idea of how much of a team's running game was based on the breakaway speed of the running backs -- not to mention the opportunity provided by getting past the front seven with a lot of field in front of you. After all, you can only run 80 yards if you're on your own 20. This number is not adjusted in any way.
Power success measures the success of specific running plays rather than the distance. This number represents how often a running attempt on third or fourth down, with two yards or less to go, achieved a first down or touchdown. Since quarterback sneaks, unlike scrambles, are heavily dependent on the offensive line, this percentage does include runs by all players, not just running backs. This is the only stat given that includes quarterback runs. It is not adjusted based on game situation or opponent.
Stuffed measures the percentage of runs that result in (on first down) zero or negative gain or (on second through fourth down) less than one-fourth the yards needed for another first down. Note that this is slightly different from the definition of "stuffed" used by STATS, Inc.DRIVE STATS

The stats section of our website also features drive stats compiled by Jim Armstrong. These stats are computed from NFL Drive Charts and are not adjusted for strength of schedule or situation. Take-a-knee drives at the end of a half are discarded. Drive stats are generally self-explanatory, giving each team's total number of drives as well as average yards per drive, points per drive, touchdowns per drive, punts per drive, and turnovers per drive, interceptions per drive, and fumbles lost per drive. LOS/Drive represents average starting field position (line of scrimmage) per drive from the offensive point of view. Drive stats are given for offense and defense, with NET representing simply offense minus defense.

A NOTE ON PLAY-BY-PLAY DATA

Our data may differ slightly from official NFL numbers due to discrepancies in different play-by-play reports. In addition, we've adjusted clock plays, with kneels no longer counting as rush attempts and spikes no longer counting as pass attempts. We also count most aborted snaps as passing plays, not rushing plays, unless the play-by-play specifies that the play was an aborted handoff.

 
These guys are clowns. They invent this metric, DVOA, fall in love with it without really testing it, and then use it to justify all sorts of ridiculous positions, such as claiming that the Giants offense was better when it was scoring 23.8 points per game than when it was scoring 27.5 points per game.
There are certainly some issues with their methodology, but to call them clowns seems a bit ridiculous.In the case you list, the article clearly describes that the Giants were playing much tougher defenses during that stretch, and were able to execute their offense better across all plays, not just scoring plays. So yes, the offense was playing better by those measures.
 
I've paid for the Kubiak predictions for the past few years. I like them because he is willing to think outside the box and give you some differing perspectives on players that are really against the groupthink consensus. To name a few that hit, he had Shaun Alexander basically off his board after his bad season when most were expecting a top-10 bounce back season. Another was a high ranking of Braylon Edwards before he had that monster season. Sure, some of those type of picks are wiffs, but it's refreshing to see someone throw out some picks that are really against the grain.I won't draft off his projections straight up, because a lot of them don't provide good value if you take the players where he's got them, but they are a good marker for identifying some guys that might be sleepers and some players the majority might have overrated based on last season's performance.
I'm pretty sure it's been vetted out on their forums their projections are better used as an <avoid> list rather than to find breakout guys. They have their hits and misses like everyone else, they had Cutler on a losing value list. I remember Aaron Schatz was on a Bill Simmons podcast pimping Slaton a week before the season. Simmon's asked "What about Ahman Green?" to which Schatz replied "That bag of bones? pfft!"
 
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These guys are clowns. They invent this metric, DVOA, fall in love with it without really testing it, and then use it to justify all sorts of ridiculous positions, such as claiming that the Giants offense was better when it was scoring 23.8 points per game than when it was scoring 27.5 points per game.
There are certainly some issues with their methodology, but to call them clowns seems a bit ridiculous.In the case you list, the article clearly describes that the Giants were playing much tougher defenses during that stretch, and were able to execute their offense better across all plays, not just scoring plays. So yes, the offense was playing better by those measures.
"Much tougher defenses"? The defensive DVOA numbers were less than 4% different (-2.1% vs. -5.9%)--well within the statistical noise of a six-game sample. If you're not scoring, you're not executing your offense.Here are some direct comparisons from With-Burress and Without-Burress:With:Vs. Cowboys, 23 first downs, 319 yards, 35 pointsAt Eagles, 26 first downs, 401 yards, 36 pointsVs. Redskins, 21 first downs, 341 yards, 16 pointsWithout:At Cowboys, 17 first downs, 218 yards, 8 pointsVs. Eagles, 14 first downs, 211 yards, 14 pointsAt Redskins, 23 first downs, 404 yards, 23 pointsVs. Eagles (playoffs), 16 first downs, 307 yards, 11 pointsI don't care what formula you're using, the second set of numbers sucks compared to the first set of numbers. If your formula says otherwise, your formula is crap.
 
I've gotten their Draft Prospectus book the past 3 years, 2009 in PDF version. I haven't had the time to read through it on my PC yet, but I find their rankings useful in combination with those of FBG.

 
These guys are clowns. They invent this metric, DVOA, fall in love with it without really testing it, and then use it to justify all sorts of ridiculous positions, such as claiming that the Giants offense was better when it was scoring 23.8 points per game than when it was scoring 27.5 points per game.
I am sure that you know the limitations of any metric. Clearly the people at footballoutsiders realize its imperfections as they are constantly tinkering with it in search of a more accurate measure. I hope that you can at least appreciate the sophistication of this one. And say what you want about their ultra-reliance on it, but at least they supply contrary opinions with reasonable explanations, unlike a lot of other sites that will fall back on a lot of tired cliches. Would you rather hear that the Giants offense could be better this year without Plax because, well, they weren't as bad without him as everyone thinks OR the Giants offense could be better this year because Eli won't have to listen to Plaxico demanding the ball and will be free to get it to the open guy?
 
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These guys are clowns. They invent this metric, DVOA, fall in love with it without really testing it, and then use it to justify all sorts of ridiculous positions, such as claiming that the Giants offense was better when it was scoring 23.8 points per game than when it was scoring 27.5 points per game.
I am sure that you know the limitations of any metric. Clearly the people at footballoutsiders realize its imperfections as they are constantly tinkering with it in search of a more accurate measure. I hope that you can at least appreciate the sophistication of this one. And say what you want about their ultra-reliance on it, but at least they supply contrary opinions with reasonable explanations, unlike a lot of other sites that will fall back on a lot of tired cliches. Would you rather hear that the Giants offense could be better this year without Plax because, well, they weren't as bad without him as everyone thinks OR the Giants offense could be better this year because Eli won't have to listen to Plaxico demanding the ball and will be free to get it to the open guy?
Actually I have a more respect for someone who's making a gut call without much to back it up, than someone who's using statistics dishonestly. (By "dishonest", I mean that FO should know enough to know that the way they're using statistics is bunk).
 
These guys are clowns. They invent this metric, DVOA, fall in love with it without really testing it, and then use it to justify all sorts of ridiculous positions, such as claiming that the Giants offense was better when it was scoring 23.8 points per game than when it was scoring 27.5 points per game.
There are certainly some issues with their methodology, but to call them clowns seems a bit ridiculous.In the case you list, the article clearly describes that the Giants were playing much tougher defenses during that stretch, and were able to execute their offense better across all plays, not just scoring plays. So yes, the offense was playing better by those measures.
"Much tougher defenses"? The defensive DVOA numbers were less than 4% different (-2.1% vs. -5.9%)--well within the statistical noise of a six-game sample. If you're not scoring, you're not executing your offense.Here are some direct comparisons from With-Burress and Without-Burress:With:Vs. Cowboys, 23 first downs, 319 yards, 35 pointsAt Eagles, 26 first downs, 401 yards, 36 pointsVs. Redskins, 21 first downs, 341 yards, 16 pointsWithout:At Cowboys, 17 first downs, 218 yards, 8 pointsVs. Eagles, 14 first downs, 211 yards, 14 pointsAt Redskins, 23 first downs, 404 yards, 23 pointsVs. Eagles (playoffs), 16 first downs, 307 yards, 11 pointsI don't care what formula you're using, the second set of numbers sucks compared to the first set of numbers. If your formula says otherwise, your formula is crap.
You use different measures to compare, and then say that any other analysis must be crap because yours is right. No sense arguing with a closed mind. I don't think that you will use their analysis in your draft prep, but I certainly plan to.
 
These guys are clowns. They invent this metric, DVOA, fall in love with it without really testing it, and then use it to justify all sorts of ridiculous positions, such as claiming that the Giants offense was better when it was scoring 23.8 points per game than when it was scoring 27.5 points per game.
I am sure that you know the limitations of any metric. Clearly the people at footballoutsiders realize its imperfections as they are constantly tinkering with it in search of a more accurate measure. I hope that you can at least appreciate the sophistication of this one. And say what you want about their ultra-reliance on it, but at least they supply contrary opinions with reasonable explanations, unlike a lot of other sites that will fall back on a lot of tired cliches. Would you rather hear that the Giants offense could be better this year without Plax because, well, they weren't as bad without him as everyone thinks OR the Giants offense could be better this year because Eli won't have to listen to Plaxico demanding the ball and will be free to get it to the open guy?
Actually I have a more respect for someone who's making a gut call without much to back it up, than someone who's using statistics dishonestly. (By "dishonest", I mean that FO should know enough to know that the way they're using statistics is bunk).
How exactly do you misconstrue an exercise in inductive reasoning as "bunk"? I see nothing wrong with their methods.
 
These guys are clowns. They invent this metric, DVOA, fall in love with it without really testing it, and then use it to justify all sorts of ridiculous positions, such as claiming that the Giants offense was better when it was scoring 23.8 points per game than when it was scoring 27.5 points per game.
There are certainly some issues with their methodology, but to call them clowns seems a bit ridiculous.In the case you list, the article clearly describes that the Giants were playing much tougher defenses during that stretch, and were able to execute their offense better across all plays, not just scoring plays. So yes, the offense was playing better by those measures.
"Much tougher defenses"? The defensive DVOA numbers were less than 4% different (-2.1% vs. -5.9%)--well within the statistical noise of a six-game sample. If you're not scoring, you're not executing your offense.Here are some direct comparisons from With-Burress and Without-Burress:With:Vs. Cowboys, 23 first downs, 319 yards, 35 pointsAt Eagles, 26 first downs, 401 yards, 36 pointsVs. Redskins, 21 first downs, 341 yards, 16 pointsWithout:At Cowboys, 17 first downs, 218 yards, 8 pointsVs. Eagles, 14 first downs, 211 yards, 14 pointsAt Redskins, 23 first downs, 404 yards, 23 pointsVs. Eagles (playoffs), 16 first downs, 307 yards, 11 pointsI don't care what formula you're using, the second set of numbers sucks compared to the first set of numbers. If your formula says otherwise, your formula is crap.
If you read the full article (linked to in the press article) it counts 8 games without Burress. The Giants offfensive DVOA was 27.8% rather than 23.8% during those games, thus the claim that the offense did better. As you described, they played slightly better defenses during those games. The DVOA methodology is described previously in this thread, feel free to point out the issues with the metrics. The argument that their metrics do not align with common benchmarks of yards and points in divisional H2H games is not a reason to dismiss the values as bunk.
 
stickboy said:
If you read the full article (linked to in the press article) it counts 8 games without Burress. The Giants offfensive DVOA was 27.8% rather than 23.8% during those games, thus the claim that the offense did better. As you described, they played slightly better defenses during those games. The DVOA methodology is described previously in this thread, feel free to point out the issues with the metrics. The argument that their metrics do not align with common benchmarks of yards and points in divisional H2H games is not a reason to dismiss the values as bunk.
First of all, the differences aren't statistically significant. Second, DVOA isn't a tested metric; it's just an idea some guys came up with. I just invented the PCHC (per-capita hot-dog consumption) metric, which suggests that fan hot dog consumption is correlated with good team results. The Giants had a 3.8% higher PCHC with Burress in the lineup, therefore they were better with him.When an untested metric butts up against reality (the team had fewer yards, fewer first downs, and fewer points with Burress out of the lineup), you should be questioning the metric, not the reality.
 
Bills_Fan11 said:
Any excerpts on the Bills?
They are not high on the Bills, mostly because of an O-line that will likely start two rookies. They admit that if the line pans out that the Bills could finish considerably higher than their projections.2009 Mean Projection: 5.3 winsOn the Clock (0-3): 19%Loserville (4-6): 55%Mediocrity (7-8): 18%Playoff Contender (9-10): 7%Super Bowl Contender (11+): 1%Projected Average Opponent: -0.6% (21st)That being said, for only 12 bucks I highly Recommend picking up a copy, its a fantastic read plus you get another set of fantasy projections to go by. - JW
 
Bills_Fan11 said:
Any excerpts on the Bills?
They are not high on the Bills, mostly because of an O-line that will likely start two rookies. They admit that if the line pans out that the Bills could finish considerably higher than their projections.2009 Mean Projection: 5.3 winsOn the Clock (0-3): 19%Loserville (4-6): 55%Mediocrity (7-8): 18%Playoff Contender (9-10): 7%Super Bowl Contender (11+): 1%Projected Average Opponent: -0.6% (21st)That being said, for only 12 bucks I highly Recommend picking up a copy, its a fantastic read plus you get another set of fantasy projections to go by. - JW
Thanks, I figured as much. Plus with the schedule they could easily be better than last year and win <7 games.
 
The whole time I was reading Money Ball a couple of years ago I was thinking, is this possible with football? Someone obviously has to be trying... That's how I found out about FO. I like reading their analysis and I think their methodology, with flaws, still makes sense. If you are capable of thinking about the big picture, it's impossible to say that they just make a bunch of stuff up. They spend a lot of time trying to identify the meaningful data in the game; they're not randomly picking things out of a hat. When asking, "What might bloat rushing statistics?" it's not like they answered with "hot dog sales." When you are pioneers in your field, you are guaranteed to make mistakes. Before anything can be proven or even generally accepted, you have to do some exploring. I for one get excited about the exploration.

I think there will always be two camps in statistical analysis of sports: those that prefer their guts and tradition, and those that prefer thinking about numbers. You can be in one camp and socialize with the other, but there will always be people who don't move and constantly butt heads. There is actually a market for writing books tasked with debunking pop-econ books like the Michael Lewis and Malcolm Gladwell titles.

Both sides have strong points. There's no denying what Billy Bean did works over a period of 162 games. There's also no denying that the strategy did not work in the playoffs, a smaller sample of games where old school gumption and moxie take precedence. Over the past several years the Boston Red Sox, with bigger wallets, seem to be striking a good mix.

Trying to take a Sabrmetric approach to football is obviously more difficult than baseball, since each outcome is dependent on the of the actions of 11 players on each side of the ball. And as stated by FO in the shortcomings of their methodology, only the owners and coaches have access to the official game footage. FO, like the guys here at FBG, are reliant on television broadcast and whatever NFL network replays. On every play you are missing important cause and effect occurrences on the field. So while I enjoy the work of the people taking the Sabrmetric approach to football, I also know to use a bit of caution, since lack of data is a very big detriment to its accuracy.

All of that said I'm downloading the PDF and taking it to Kinko's today.

 
stickboy said:
If you read the full article (linked to in the press article) it counts 8 games without Burress. The Giants offfensive DVOA was 27.8% rather than 23.8% during those games, thus the claim that the offense did better. As you described, they played slightly better defenses during those games. The DVOA methodology is described previously in this thread, feel free to point out the issues with the metrics. The argument that their metrics do not align with common benchmarks of yards and points in divisional H2H games is not a reason to dismiss the values as bunk.
First of all, the differences aren't statistically significant. Second, DVOA isn't a tested metric; it's just an idea some guys came up with. I just invented the PCHC (per-capita hot-dog consumption) metric, which suggests that fan hot dog consumption is correlated with good team results. The Giants had a 3.8% higher PCHC with Burress in the lineup, therefore they were better with him.When an untested metric butts up against reality (the team had fewer yards, fewer first downs, and fewer points with Burress out of the lineup), you should be questioning the metric, not the reality.
1. This "reality" is based on 7 games in your example, the FO data is 8 games and a play by play analysis. 2. The tests and refinements of the metric have occurred across multiple seasons, and every metric is just an idea that someone came up with. The data is on their site.Just because someone measures differently than you arrives at a different conclusion does not make it wrong. It is appropriate to question it; it is inappropriate to dismiss it as bunk without good reason.
 
1. This "reality" is based on 7 games in your example, the FO data is 8 games and a play by play analysis.

2. The tests and refinements of the metric have occurred across multiple seasons, and every metric is just an idea that someone came up with. The data is on their site.

Just because someone measures differently than you arrives at a different conclusion does not make it wrong. It is appropriate to question it; it is inappropriate to dismiss it as bunk without good reason.
I dismiss it as bunk because I've seen their methods; they regularly do statistically dishonest things. Dishonest, in that they know that what they're doing is not a supportable way to use statistics, yet they put it out there as if it has statistical validity.
 
1. This "reality" is based on 7 games in your example, the FO data is 8 games and a play by play analysis.

2. The tests and refinements of the metric have occurred across multiple seasons, and every metric is just an idea that someone came up with. The data is on their site.

Just because someone measures differently than you arrives at a different conclusion does not make it wrong. It is appropriate to question it; it is inappropriate to dismiss it as bunk without good reason.
I dismiss it as bunk because I've seen their methods; they regularly do statistically dishonest things. Dishonest, in that they know that what they're doing is not a supportable way to use statistics, yet they put it out there as if it has statistical validity.
I'd be interested to see some examples of what your talking about.
 
CalBear said:
These guys are clowns. They invent this metric, DVOA, fall in love with it without really testing it, and then use it to justify all sorts of ridiculous positions, such as claiming that the Giants offense was better when it was scoring 23.8 points per game than when it was scoring 27.5 points per game.
There are certainly some issues with their methodology, but to call them clowns seems a bit ridiculous.In the case you list, the article clearly describes that the Giants were playing much tougher defenses during that stretch, and were able to execute their offense better across all plays, not just scoring plays. So yes, the offense was playing better by those measures.
"Much tougher defenses"? The defensive DVOA numbers were less than 4% different (-2.1% vs. -5.9%)--well within the statistical noise of a six-game sample. If you're not scoring, you're not executing your offense.Here are some direct comparisons from With-Burress and Without-Burress:With:Vs. Cowboys, 23 first downs, 319 yards, 35 pointsAt Eagles, 26 first downs, 401 yards, 36 pointsVs. Redskins, 21 first downs, 341 yards, 16 pointsWithout:At Cowboys, 17 first downs, 218 yards, 8 pointsVs. Eagles, 14 first downs, 211 yards, 14 pointsAt Redskins, 23 first downs, 404 yards, 23 pointsVs. Eagles (playoffs), 16 first downs, 307 yards, 11 pointsI don't care what formula you're using, the second set of numbers sucks compared to the first set of numbers. If your formula says otherwise, your formula is crap.
I've never read their stuff, but based on your examples that does seem like they're using misleading stats.I wonder though what the time of number of possessions were in those games? Their analysis seems to suggest the defense is the real reason the team did worse. If the defense couldn't get off the field that could explain why the O would have less possessions, less first downs, less yardage and less points. If that was the case it could still make sense that their offense was playing better (more effectively) despite having less opportunities to score. I wouldn't know how to get that data though. Either way, I gotta admit their analysis is an interesting read.
 
The whole time I was reading Money Ball a couple of years ago I was thinking, is this possible with football? Someone obviously has to be trying... That's how I found out about FO. I like reading their analysis and I think their methodology, with flaws, still makes sense. If you are capable of thinking about the big picture, it's impossible to say that they just make a bunch of stuff up. They spend a lot of time trying to identify the meaningful data in the game; they're not randomly picking things out of a hat. When asking, "What might bloat rushing statistics?" it's not like they answered with "hot dog sales." When you are pioneers in your field, you are guaranteed to make mistakes. Before anything can be proven or even generally accepted, you have to do some exploring. I for one get excited about the exploration.I think there will always be two camps in statistical analysis of sports: those that prefer their guts and tradition, and those that prefer thinking about numbers. You can be in one camp and socialize with the other, but there will always be people who don't move and constantly butt heads. There is actually a market for writing books tasked with debunking pop-econ books like the Michael Lewis and Malcolm Gladwell titles.Both sides have strong points. There's no denying what Billy Bean did works over a period of 162 games. There's also no denying that the strategy did not work in the playoffs, a smaller sample of games where old school gumption and moxie take precedence. Over the past several years the Boston Red Sox, with bigger wallets, seem to be striking a good mix.Trying to take a Sabrmetric approach to football is obviously more difficult than baseball, since each outcome is dependent on the of the actions of 11 players on each side of the ball. And as stated by FO in the shortcomings of their methodology, only the owners and coaches have access to the official game footage. FO, like the guys here at FBG, are reliant on television broadcast and whatever NFL network replays. On every play you are missing important cause and effect occurrences on the field. So while I enjoy the work of the people taking the Sabrmetric approach to football, I also know to use a bit of caution, since lack of data is a very big detriment to its accuracy.All of that said I'm downloading the PDF and taking it to Kinko's today.
Nice post. Personally I'm more in the numbers camp. The obvious counterpoint to the A's example is that they weren't a team that would've made the playoffs in the first place with their payroll. Plus it's well known there's a ton of variance in postseason baseball, 7 game series' notwithstanding.
 
First of all, the differences aren't statistically significant.
If you're looking for statistical significance at a 95% confidence level in just a 16-game data set, you're not going to find very much.
I'm not looking for that; FO is implying that. They give two sets of numbers which differ by less than 5%, and use those numbers to make an argument that the Giants offense was better without Burress. That's a perfect example of what I'm talking about--if they know anything about statistics, they have to know that those numbers are statistically identical based on the tiny sample sizes. So why are they drawing conclusions based on the idea that the numbers are significantly different? It's hogwash.
 


http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07...mistic-on-jets/

Football Outsiders Pessimistic on Jets

(Mike Tanier is a Fifth Down contributor and a co-author of Football Outsiders Almanac 2009, which is available in print and as a download at FootballOutsiders.com. It contains more than 400 pages of in-depth N.F.L. and college football analysis, statistics, and player and team projections.) The Jets may have Rex Ryan, Bart Scott, and a rookie quarterback, but don’t expect them to turn into the 2008 Ravens.

The Ravens reached the A.F.C. championship game last year with Ryan as their defensive coordinator, Scott as one of their starting linebackers and rookie Joe Flacco under center. Ryan is now the Jets’ coach and Scott a key part of the defense, and the top draft pick Mark Sanchez appears to be an N.F.L.-ready quarterback. But Football Outsiders Almanac has a pessimistic prediction for the Jets: they’re far more likely to lose six or more games (56% chance, according to our simulations) than to win nine or more (18% chance).

Why such a gloomy forecast? Brett Favre may have been on his last legs last year (particularly in December), but he still played better than all but the best rookie quarterbacks in history. Last season was the year of the rookie coach-quarterback combo, with both the Ravens and Falcons shocking the league with playoff runs, but it’s still rare for a team to leap into contention with novices calling both the plays and the signals.

But the biggest reason for pessimism: the Jets just weren’t very good last year. Their won-loss record was inflated by an easy slate of opponents from the A.F.C. West and N.F.C. West. At Football Outsiders, we use DVOA (Defense-adjusted Value Over Average) to evaluate every play by every team in a season, creating a high-accuracy power ranking. Even at their best, the Jets only earned a 13.2% rating, 10th in the N.F.L. before their December slide. By contrast, the Giants got as high as 41.5%.

Jets fans know they could be in for a long season, but it will be worth it if Sanchez develops and Ryan proves he’s a legitimate head coach. Our Lewin Career Forecast, a formula that gauges a rookie quarterback’s long-range potential, gives Sanchez a mixed review. No first-round quarterback in the last 12 years started fewer college games than Sanchez, and the list of players with similar college profiles includes busts like Akili Smith, Tim Couch and Alex Smith. Still, our scouts like Sanchez, and he’ll be helped by Brian Schottenheimer’s short passing offense, which infuriates fans but makes life easier for quarterbacks. The average Jets first down pass traveled just 7.9 yards in the air last year, 29th in the league; the average third-down pass went just 5.5 yards in the air (roughly across your kitchen), 24th in the league. Throws that short will keep a rookie out of trouble.

As for Ryan, his defense will be nothing like Mangini’s. Mangini rushed just three defenders more than any other coach in the league (24.1% of pass plays), but Ryan learned the 46 defense at the feet of his father, Buddy Ryan, and he loves to bring the blitz. Ryan doesn’t have Ray Lewis or Ed Reed to work with in New York, but he has some building blocks, including Darrelle Revis and Dwight Lowery, bookend cornerbacks who can handle man coverage while linebackers and safeties attack the quarterback.

This year’s Jets will disappoint some fans, but it will be worth it if they make a commitment to long-range planning. Last year’s veteran experiment — featuring not just Favre but guard Alan Faneca, tackle Damien Woody, and others – was an attempt to fast-forward through the rebuilding process. Quick fixes come at a high price in the N.F.L. If the Jets’ owner, Woody Johnson, lets Ryan, Sanchez and the youngsters on the roster develop, it won’t take long to see results.

 
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Texans and Jags: http://blogs.chron.com/texanschick/2009/07...otball_o_1.html

Pessimistic Prediction for Texan Wins.

Stephanie Stradley: "Last year, Football Outsiders was high on the Texans (until they realized how young some of the offensive line starters were going to be). Many analysts are predicting the Texans as a surprise team in 2009, but this year, Football Outsiders numbers are very negatory towards the Texans chances.

The 2009 Pro Football Almanac predicts 6.9 wins; and a 38% chance of 4-6 wins, 36% chance of 7-8 wins, and 18% chance of 9-10 wins. Hmmm. Seems to me that the 2009 roster with additional experience is much better than the 6 win 2006 team that featured David Carr, Ron Dayne, duct tape, chewing gum and a defense that was then switching from the 3-4 to the 4-3. Why do the numbers come out that way?"

Bill Barnwell: "Hey -- we were "high" on the Texans until Fred Weary got hurt. We had them at 8.9 wins with Weary; once Weary got hurt, our projection went down to 8.1 wins. (That would be where Fred Weary's agent's ears perk up.) The Texans won 8 games. I'm gonna have to say we were pretty spot-on with that one.

The issue with wins -- as valuable as they are -- is that they don't mean a whole heck of a lot when it comes to projecting next year's performance.

Let's say that the Rosenfels Disaster doesn't happen at the end of the Colts game, and the Texans end up 9-7 instead of 8-8. That would raise expectations, but realistically, they're no different of a team because they lost that game. The guy who was responsible is gone, for one. There's only 16 chances to win a game, and a lot of funny things can happen along the way. The Rams' 47-3 loss to the Jets in Week 10 counts for just as many wins as the Rosenfels Disaster, but it would be silly to think that the Rams and the Texans played equally as well in those games, or that they are each equal indicators of the teams' respective levels of performance heading into 2009.

There's only a .25 correlation between a team's wins in a given season and their wins in a subsequent season. (Correlations measure the strength of a relationship between two sets of variables. Correlations approaching 1 or -1 have a strong relationship, with 1 being a positive relationship and -1 a negative relationship. A correlation close to 0 means that the variables have nothing to do with each other.

and coolness would have a correlation of -.85 or so.)The correlation between the difference of a team's points scored and points against in a given year and wins in the subsequent year is .26, meaning that it's a (slightly) stronger indicator than strictly looking at wins. The Texans allowed 28 more points than they scored last year, which is the statistical signature of a team that (on average) would win 7.3 games. (For more on this, head to The Pro Football Reference Blog). So that's a little closer to our projection.

The statistic that has the strongest correlation with wins in the subsequent season is DVOA, our original metric, which adjusts performance based upon down, distance, situation, and quality of opponent. DVOA has a .34 correlation with wins in the subsequent season. It also has a .46 correlation with DVOA in the subsequent season, making it a more consistent year-to-year stat than wins (.24, again) or difference in points scored (.32).

Houston had a DVOA of -6.8% last year, placing them 23rd in the league. To have an idea of what that means in terms of quality, we have a statistic called "Expected Wins" that takes DVOA in a variety of important situations and then projects a win total against a league-average schedule based upon that performance. The Texans had 6.7 Expected Wins last year.

So then, while Texans fans might see an 8-8 team that was one bizarre loss away from being a 9-7 team turning 6-6, our metrics see a 7-9 team in a division with three very good teams. Yes, including Jacksonville."

The Rise of the Jaguars?

SS: "Football Outsiders is very high on Jacksonville's chances this upcoming year. Their offense still has grim choices for wide receivers and the interior of their defensive line isn't getting any younger. Explain the numbers that suggest this turnaround.

BB: Again, you have to look at their underlying stats. In this case, the difference between their points scored and points against doesn't help -- Jacksonville allowed 65 more points than it scored, which is the statistical signature of a six-win team.

DVOA, however, is much higher on the team. Jacksonville had a 1.9% DVOA, and their expected win total was 8.9 -- shocking, perhaps, but a function of their underlying performance. A 1.9% DVOA is pretty good: 26 other teams since 1994 (the earliest year we've calculated DVOA for) have had a DVOA between 1% and 3%. Of those 26 teams, exactly one won as few as five games: The 2003 Jaguars, who promptly won nine games the next season. The average team in that range won 8.5 games.

Furthermore, the Jaguars had a lot of injuries last year. By our injury metric, Adjusted Games Lost (which takes into account historical injury rates for a given role/position on the injury report and the player's role as a starter or reserve on the team), the Jaguars were the tenth-most injured team in the league last year. Injuries tend to regress to league average, which is another positive indicator for the Jaguars; a team's AGL has a .26 correlation with the change in wins in subsequent seasons.

So, to summate, we see a team that was already really a nine-win team that's going to get healthier. I see your points, though, regarding the age of their defensive line."

Hurricane Ike Effects on 2008 Numbers?

SS: "You have an injury metric built into your analysis but how about a hurricane metric? The Texans tried to not let that be an excuse last year, but clearly in a league that values strict scheduling and a focus on football, Hurricane Ike was a huge problem for the city last year, eliminated their bye week and I'm sure was a huge distraction to the team. Some players had significant damage to their homes, were living in hotels with their families or rooming with other players. Hard to keep practicing players properly fed and hydrated when grocery stores are closed, and they are going back to non-airconditioned homes that were lacking electricity for weeks. As of today, there's still a lot of blue tarps on roofs in town. Do any of your numbers look at unusual factors like that?"

BB: "As for the hurricane factor, the problem with such a metric is that there's no quantitative way we can measure it for every team. We can say "The Saints suffered through a lost season after Hurricane Katrina and then took a huge step forward in the subsequent season," but that's really the only situation we can compare it to. (We do have a factor in our projection system now for "seven home games," because the effects of losing a home game -- like the Saints did -- are more easily quantifiable).

When it comes to effects like this that we know are important, but can't quantify or prove over a large sample, we acknowledge it in our writing, but don't factor it into our projections. There are plenty of reasons our numbers aren't anything close to foolproof, and wholly legitimate effects like the impact of a hurricane on a team's season are one of them."

 
CalBear said:
Here are some direct comparisons from With-Burress and Without-Burress:With:Vs. Cowboys, 23 first downs, 319 yards, 35 pointsAt Eagles, 26 first downs, 401 yards, 36 pointsVs. Redskins, 21 first downs, 341 yards, 16 pointsWithout:At Cowboys, 17 first downs, 218 yards, 8 pointsVs. Eagles, 14 first downs, 211 yards, 14 pointsAt Redskins, 23 first downs, 404 yards, 23 pointsVs. Eagles (playoffs), 16 first downs, 307 yards, 11 pointsI don't care what formula you're using, the second set of numbers sucks compared to the first set of numbers. If your formula says otherwise, your formula is crap.
Those were their 4 worst games without Burress, according to DVOA. DVOA agrees that the second set of games is worse than the first set. But they looked at all 17 games, not just those 7. Here are a few others without him:Vs. Seahawks, 27 first downs, 523 yards, 44 pointsVs. Panthers, 25 first downs, 459 yards, 34 pointsAt Vikings, 19 first downs, 364 yards, 19 pointsNot so bad. And a few with him:At Browns, 23 first downs, 373 yards, 14 points (3 TOs)Vs. Niners, 17 first downs, 273 yards, 29 pointsAt Steelers, 14 first downs, 282 yards, 21 pointsTheir main point is that Giants' decline was due to a declining defense, not a declining offense. They don't say "the Giants are better off without Burress - look how much they improved when he left!" They're just saying "the conventional wisdom that the Giants offense fell apart without Burress is wrong - their numbers were actually slightly better without him." I don't think that they care if you conclude that the offense got better or that it just stayed about the same.
 
CalBear said:
zDragon said:
I'd be interested to see some examples of what your talking about.
The strongest example is the 370-carry myth.http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...;#entry10383663

Their articles on age declines for different positions have similar flaws.
Hmm here is an excerpt from their book on age declines...."Running backs usually decline after age 28, tight

ends after age 29, wide receivers after age 30, and

quarterbacks after age 32.

This research was originally done by Doug Drinen of

footballguys.com in 2000. In recent years, a few players

have had huge seasons above these general age

limits (most notably Tiki Barber and Tony Gonzalez),

but the peak ages Drinen found a few years ago still

apply to the majority of players.

As for “non-skill players,” research we did in 2007

for ESPN The Magazine suggested that defensive

ends and defensive backs generally begin to decline

after age 29, linebackers and offensive linemen after

age 30, and defensive tackles after age 31. However,

because we still have so few statistics to use to study

linemen and defensive players, this research should

not be considered definitive."

Sounds like they are giving credit to footballguys for the offensive players and then on the defensive players are saying it is not definitive because they have very little defensive stats. Doesn't sound like they are claiming a ton on declining age that you suggest.

 
These guys are clowns. They invent this metric, DVOA, fall in love with it without really testing it, and then use it to justify all sorts of ridiculous positions, such as claiming that the Giants offense was better when it was scoring 23.8 points per game than when it was scoring 27.5 points per game.
CalBear, just scoring less points does not mean they were less effective. The caliber of the team they were playing makes a big difference and I do thin their conclusion was a correct one in that the reason the Giants lost was because their DL played much worse later in the year and against the better teams it took its toll.
 
First of all, the differences aren't statistically significant.
If you're looking for statistical significance at a 95% confidence level in just a 16-game data set, you're not going to find very much.
I'm not looking for that; FO is implying that. They give two sets of numbers which differ by less than 5%, and use those numbers to make an argument that the Giants offense was better without Burress. That's a perfect example of what I'm talking about--if they know anything about statistics, they have to know that those numbers are statistically identical based on the tiny sample sizes. So why are they drawing conclusions based on the idea that the numbers are significantly different? It's hogwash.
People who know anything about statistics wouldn't use the words "statistically identical", since that concept doesn't actually exist.You're the only one who seems to think that any difference that doesn't meet a 95% confidence level is "identical"

 
Packers info from FO - http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/52198207.html

Football Outsiders: Packers will go 7-9

By Greg A. Bedard of the Journal Sentinel

July 31, 2009 11:35 a.m.

Green Bay - One of my annual pre-training camp rituals is to venture to the bookstore to pick up the latest Pro Football Prospectus from the guys at FootballOutsiders.com.

Well, there have been some changes this year.

For one, it's now called the Football Outsiders Almanac: The Essential Guide to 2009 NFL and College Football Seasons.

And you can't get it at your local bookstore. It's only available online here at amazon.com.

But if you enjoy looking at football through a different, more statistical lense, it's a must have and must read. Sure, some of the statistics they use like DVOA and DYAR take a little time to get used to and understand, but overall their plethora of statistics and number crunching are eye opening and often fairly accurate.

This year, Football Outsiders has predicted a 7-9 record for the Green Bay Packers.

To put that in context, over the previous five years, Football Outsiders predicted the Packers to go 8-8 in '04 (Packers went 10-6), 6-10 in '05 (4-12), 8-8 in '06 (8-8), 11-5 in '07 (13-3) and 9-7 last year (6-10). So over that five-year span, they've been off by a total of one game. They've underestimated the win total by 2 twice. Overestimated by 2 and 3.

One of the constant themes in this year's Packers section is luck -- that they had an abundance of both good luck (the usual amount of defensive points scored) and bad luck (only two other teams in 25 years have posted an 0-7 record in games decided by four points or less).

I recently chatted with one of the authors, Bill Barnwell, who penned the section on the Packers. Here's what he had to say:

Let's start off with the obvious: how does a team with a quarterback coming off a successful debut season, with most of his returning cast back around him and with a new, more aggressive defensive scheme and capable defensive coordinator on the other side of the ball, only improve one win over a season in which you point out they were unusually unlucky?

Well, in some ways, the Packers were unlucky. In other ways, they happened to be very lucky.

Our primary statistic at Football Outsiders is DVOA -- Defense-adjusted Value Over Average. It's a simple idea: We take every play from the NFL season and compare it to the league average on the same play, after adjusting for down, distance, game situation, and the quality of the opponent.

Last year, despite their record, the Packers had a 10.6% DVOA -- that's a performance more indicative of a 9-7 team. They had the best DVOA of any 6-10 team in the 15 years we've calculated DVOA for. (The three 6-10 teams that followed them in the DVOA rankings won 10 or more games in the subsequent season.)

So, why are we pessimistic about the Packers' chances? We use a regression analysis that takes into account hundreds of variables to help project team performance on a year-to-year basis. The variables that affect the Packers negatively include:

- The team is shifting around their offensive line, blocking scheme, and defensive scheme (along with another new coordinator). All of those changes generally take time to create cohesive, effective units.

- Their offense was flukily-effective on third down last year. We've found that teams that play much better on third down than they do on first or second down in a given season almost always see their third down play decline in the subsequent season. The Packers were 11th in the league in first down offensive DVOA last year, and 22nd on second down, but had the second-best offense in the league on third down. That's extremely unlikely to recur.

(On the other hand, though, the defense was 12th on first down and tenth on second down, but 20th on third down, so we'd expect them to get better.)

- The Packers had the fifth-healthiest offense in football last year by our injury metric, Adjusted Games Lost. While they had some health issues up front, Aaron Rodgers, Ryan Grant, Donald Driver, and Greg Jennings all stayed healthy, despite a history of injury issues for Rogers and Jennings, a heavy workload for Grant, and Driver's advancing age. Injuries tend to regress to league average, so we'd expect to see more injuries on the offensive side of the ball for Green Bay; that would be damaging, since injuries to offensive starters, by our measurements, affect offensive play twice as much as defensive injuries do defensive play.

- The 419 points the Packers' offense scored a year ago looks impressive until you realize that the offense only "really" scored 377 points; the defense chipped in with 42 points on touchdowns. That's a total fluke. I actually wrote about this at length last year for an ESPN piece; at the time, the Packers had 42 points in ten games. They didn't score a single defensive touchdown the rest of the way (and went 1-5 in the process). We'd expect the defense to score 14 points, on average, in a given season; that difference of 28 points is equivalent to about one win just by itself.

To summate, we expect the offense to get worse, and the defense to either stay the same or get marginally better. One thing worth noting, though, is the variance we see in the Packers' projection.

To produce an expected win total, we simulate the season 10,000 times using our DVOA projections and a variety of variables like home field advantage. Sometimes, this produces a very consistent projection -- the Patriots, for example, have a 68% chance of winning 11 or more games.

The Packers' projection is all over the place. We see them as having a 9% chance of winning 0-3 games, a 29% chance of winning 4-6, a 24% chance of getting 7-8 wins, a 24% chance of 9-10 wins, and a 14% chance of 11+ wins.

Interesting stuff as always, Bill. Especially about the third down efficiency on offense. Let's go back to luck. I know there are obviously other factors involved (like the defensive scoring), but given how the Packers' DVOA for most of last season out performed their record (you guys must have been going nuts thinking your entire existence was being blown up by one team), it sure seems like you're saying bad luck was largely to blame for a team going from 13-3 to 6-10. That's a pretty big drop for chance. Why do you dismiss "knowing how to win" and the loss of Brett Favre (don't think he's mentioned once in the Packers passage) and the confidence he may have brought in being part of the puzzle?

Would "I watched the 2007 NFC Championship Game" be too flippant of an answer?

In all seriousness, the reason that I dismiss the concept of "knowing how to win" is because it's not a consistent trend -- teams simply don't win close games on a regular basis from season-to-season.

The Packers won their fair share of close games under Brett Favre, but that had a lot to do with the fact that the team was usually good in non-close games, too. In games that were decided by one touchdown or less under Favre's tenure, the Packers were 58-45; a winning percentage of 56.3%.

In all other games, though, they were 103-50; that's a winning percentage of 67.3%. The Packers were actually worse in close games with Favre!

Now, some of that has to do with the fact that a good Packers team wasn't getting blown out very frequently, but the point still stands; if having a quarterback like Favre in those close games really played that dramatic of a difference, we'd see a clear historical trend. And it's just not there.

You can pick any historical quarterback. Take Joe Montana -- the clutchest quarterback who ever lived. In games decided by a touchdown or less, he was 40-29 -- that's a 58% winning percentage. In all other games? 78-22 (78% winning percentage). Even if you include his 5-2 record in close games in the playoffs, he wins 59.2% of his close games and 76.7% of his non-close games.

It's not just a quarterback effect, either. Since 1994, 11 teams have gone undefeated in a given season in games decided by a touchdown or less, putting up a combined record of 55-0. In the following season, those same teams -- in those same close games -- went 40-43. From perfect to below .500? How can that be a skill?

You stats guys, you have all the answers, don't ya? All kidding aside, you have an interesting passage about switching defensive schemes. Have you noticed any trends with defensive coordinators? For example, some Packers fans think the defense will automatically be better because Dom Capers has a better track record than Bob Sanders, the man Capers replaced. It's the proverbial "we can't get any worse" line of thinking.

Heh -- only a few of the answers, unfortunately. We figure out stuff every day, though, which is fun -- you can look into a topic and truly have no idea what you're going to find after you do the research.

Anecdotally (meaning I remember reading it, but can't find the research we did on it), we found that teams do much better when they promote defensive coordinators from within as opposed to bringing in a new defensive coordinator.

Furthermore, it's not like teams fire defensive coordinators that have done good jobs (well, ignore Arizona for now). Every fanbase thinks that firing their unsuccessful coordinator and bringing in a well-known one will revitalize their franchise, but there are plenty of examples of it failing. A good example? Dom Capers' last job as defensive coordinator, in Miami in 2007, where he was made the league's highest-paid assistant, only to see the defense go from sixth in the league in DVOA before he arrived (2006) to 31st in his lone season as coordinator (Bedard note: Capers was there in '06 but he was running Nick Saban's defense, which was in its second season. In 2007, Capers was the defensive coordinator for Cam Cameron).

There are other examples, too. Mike Martz in San Francisco last year, or Detroit in 2006. Jim Haslett in St. Louis in 2006. Jim Fassel in Baltimore in 05. The list goes on.

There's no simple solution to hiring the "right" coordinator -- I can't say in a sentence that veteran guys are better than rookies, or vice versa. About the most I can say is that you want to hire a guy who fits the culture of your team and will implement a scheme that fits the skill sets of the players involved.

I don't know if that's necessarily Dom Capers. Realistically, Greg, couldn't you imagine writing a "Dom Capers was just the veteran coordinator that a young front seven needed?" story next July just as much as you could see yourself writing a "Dom Capers forced his 3-4 scheme onto an unwilling front seven in a one-year disaster of an experiment?" piece?

Perhaps. I guess we'll have to see. To finish it up, do you have any interesting nuggets on the Packers entering this season?

Here are five interesting nuggets about the Packers heading into 2009:

- Ryan Grant should benefit from having Korey Hall around. With Hall in the lineup, Grant averaged 4.2 yards per carry and had a DVOA of -3.2%; without him, Grant averaged 2.9 yards per carry with a DVOA of -26.9%. If I was Korey Hall and I read that statistic, dinner would be on Ryan Grant every night for the next six months.

- The Packers had the second-best DVOA in the league against play-action passes, probably owing to their veterans in the secondary.

- Green Bay's ranked 26th, 26th, and 28th over the last three years when running towards the right end (e.g. on sweeps, tosses, and plays beyond the tight end on the right side.) It's hard to think they'll be much worse with Mark Tauscher gone.

- Over the last two years, Donald Lee's caught 15 of the 17 passes thrown to him in the red zone, resulting in a catch rate of 88.2% and nine touchdowns. Over the rest of the field, he's caught 62 of the 96 passes thrown to him, for a catch rate of 64.5%. You guess which one we think is sustainable.

- Although Greg Jennings was superior to Donald Driver on second down and third down, Driver was by far the better receiver on first down; he averaged 14.4 yards per catch there, while Jennings was only at 8.6 yards per catch. This came despite the fact that Driver often drew the opposing team's top cornerback.

Thanks to Bill Barnwell for his time. He has agreed to do an Insiders chat in the not-so distant future. So do yourself a favor by ordering the book so you can grill him when he drops by.

We'll be back at 4 p.m. with highlights of Mike McCarthy's press conference.
 

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