For My Christian Friends Supporting Trump (1 Viewer)

[[scooter]]

They didn't get the bomb from anything Clinton gave them, though.

I guess the point is you said Trump is cozying up to a dictator and I’m saying Clinton also worked with the regime by lifting sanctions etc. How is Trump really any different at this point.

I agree that the situations are similar. Which is why I pointed out the hypocrisy of criticizing a Democrat ("gave them what they wanted!") while praising a Republican ("stood up to the Communists!").

 

[pinkham13]

I agree that the situations are similar. Which is why I pointed out the hypocrisy of criticizing a Democrat ("gave them what they wanted!") while praising a Republican ("stood up to the Communists!").

He is standing up to communist China and challenging them on multiple levels though. I never praised anything I just said it’s likely a reason Christians support him despite his obvious un-Christian behaviors.

 

[pinkham13]

I appreciate the civil banter scooter. Here is history.coms take on it

https://www.history.com/news/north-korea-nuclear-deal-bill-clinton-agreed-framework

 

[Henry Ford]

Maybe but I see the Clinton regime did indeed try to work with NK and gave them what they wanted. Why is it bad when Trump tries to work with the Koreans 

The way you see this is also based on a false premise. 

 

[tonydead]

The way you see this is also based on a false premise. 

I thought you were taking a break?  Although with your posting frequency a few hours away is probably considered a break.

 

[Stealthycat]

I really don’t think it’s a big mystery why conservative religious Christians support Donald Trump: he does stuff they like. 

1. 2 ultra conservative Supreme Court justices. 

2. Dozens of ultra conservative judges elsewhere. 

3. Wont support Planned Parenthood. 

4. Protects “religious liberty”. 

5. Bans transsexuals from the military. 

6. Supports the conservative Israeli government. 

I could go on and on. If I were a conservative Christian what’s not to love? His personal weaknesses seem like a small price to pay. 

those 2 are valid - Christians should never support killing unborn babies and the support to Israel is tied to Christianity I'll agree

 

[Joe Bryant]

As a Christian, so do I. In fact, my wife and I have finally decided that we need to change churches because we can no longer silently sit and listen to sermons that more and more frequently include celebrating Donald Trump and attacking those evil Liberals and Socialists who want to destroy him. I suspect I may need to compose a letter to the minister explaining our decision. I'm sure it won't change his viewpoint, but I'll certainly feel better for having done it.

Either way, I would absolutely share your feelings with the minister. 

It's super important. 

He may not disagree but I'd write in the terms of how you understand what he's saying. It's a lot harder to argue when you're saying, "this is how I'm hearing this" or "it seems that you are ..." type.

I think people need to say something. I think it's best to do it respectfully and civilly. But I think it needs to be said. 

 

[Joe Bryant]

Update from my Facebook feed. 

Nothing negative. 7 "likes" and 2 positive comments. Pretty good so far. 

 

[Lutherman2112]

So sarcasm is allowed just as long as I use an outsourced form of sarcasm and dont create original content in the forum.

Got it. I think.

 

[Joe Bryant]

So sarcasm is allowed just as long as I use an outsourced form of sarcasm and dont create original content in the forum.

Got it. I think.

Yes. When you put PARODY in all caps like that, it kind of kills the effect. But that's cool. 

 

[Nipsey]

I see the Mueller report as absolutely a win for America. I trust the report and I'm super glad to know the report showed he was clear. 

You've seen it?

 

[shader]

Though not a Christian, I have a hard time seeing how the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth are compatible with supporting and cheering for Donald of Queens. 

So true 

 

[shader]

As a Christian, so do I. In fact, my wife and I have finally decided that we need to change churches because we can no longer silently sit and listen to sermons that more and more frequently include celebrating Donald Trump and attacking those evil Liberals and Socialists who want to destroy him. I suspect I may need to compose a letter to the minister explaining our decision. I'm sure it won't change his viewpoint, but I'll certainly feel better for having done it.

If you’re listening to this, you’re not listening to a religious sermon, you’re listening to a political one

 

[apalmer]

Dude, seriously? I mean I come from Reformlandia/DeVos country - and I’ve never heard politics from the pulpit. The last Democratic Party candidate to carry Ottawa county was George B. McClellan in 1864.

Seriously. At least 4 times since Christmas, we've heard about the "lying Liberal Media", how lucky we are to have a president like Donald Trump, the wickedness of the "Liberals/Socialists", etc. The first time, we both thought we misheard; after that, we've just been stewing.

 

[sho nuff]

One that made me about spit out my coffee was a comment to a story one day I had read...

Speaking of Trump and Obama

"At least President Trump has read his Bible"

 

[Lutherman2112]

Yes. When you put PARODY in all caps like that, it kind of kills the effect. But that's cool. 

Your link to the babylonbee  article was not a link to a parody, it linked an article that used satire and sarcasm.

I'll just avoid both, since I am doubting you can tell the difference.

 

[dgreen]

One that made me about spit out my coffee was a comment to a story one day I had read...

Speaking of Trump and Obama

"At least President Trump has read his Bible"

Not sure if he's read the Bible, but he's at least signed the Bible. If anything signals "devoted Christian", it's adding your signature to Bibles for your adoring fans.

 

[Politician Spock]

Yes. When you put PARODY in all caps like that, it kind of kills the effect. But that's cool. 

Your link to the babylonbee  article was not a link to a parody, it linked an article that used satire and sarcasm.

I'll just avoid both, since I am doubting you can tell the difference.

Just write all your parody, satire and sarcasm in all caps, and you're good. 

 

[Joe Bryant]

I'll just avoid both




 

 

[apalmer]

If you’re listening to this, you’re not listening to a religious sermon, you’re listening to a political one

He has the ability to give an excellent sermon for 40 minutes or so. Unfortunately, every other week or so, he slips 2 minutes of his politics in. Unfortunately, his view is apparently growing on (or ingrained in) the rest of the congregation. Last week, a member who provided the congregational prayer managed to include prayers for The President and Vice-President who "have those offices because God wanted them to". Silly me, I thought it was because people exercised their free will and voted.  

 

[Joe Bryant]

You've seen it?

Sorry, no. Poor writing on my part.

 

[apalmer]

One that made me about spit out my coffee was a comment to a story one day I had read...

Speaking of Trump and Obama

"At least President Trump has read his Bible"

Well, yeah, but "his Bible" is "the Art of The Deal"

 

[Politician Spock]

He has the ability to give an excellent sermon for 40 minutes or so. Unfortunately, every other week or so, he slips 2 minutes of his politics in. Unfortunately, his view is apparently growing on (or ingrained in) the rest of the congregation. Last week, a member who provided the congregational prayer managed to include prayers for The President and Vice-President who "have those offices because God wanted them to". Silly me, I thought it was because people exercised their free will and voted.  

He was probably referring to Romans 13:1

Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.

Not sure why christians celebrate July 4th, given the holiday celebrates our founding fathers doing the exact opposite of what the verse above commands. 

 

[timschochet]

You've seen it?

In the same way listening to one of your Karaoke masterpieces is like listening to the actual song!

I kid.

 

[[scooter]]

Dude, seriously? I mean I come from Reformlandia/DeVos country - and I’ve never heard politics from the pulpit. The last Democratic Party candidate to carry Ottawa county was George B. McClellan in 1864.

Seriously. At least 4 times since Christmas, we've heard about the "lying Liberal Media", how lucky we are to have a president like Donald Trump, the wickedness of the "Liberals/Socialists", etc. The first time, we both thought we misheard; after that, we've just been stewing.

Wow.

Very sad that a church would endorse statements which are so antithetical to Christian teachings.

 

[Jackstraw]

As a Catholic I find it hard to understand why any Catholics would vote Democrat and back a candidate who supports abortion.  

If you'd get out of the way democrats would do more to reduce abortions than anyone possibly could. And no I'm not joking. Universal access to sex education and contraceptives could be a game changer. See Colorado. 

Believing overturning Roe V Wade would eliminate abortions is a dangerous myth. 

 

[Don't Noonan]

If you'd get out of the way democrats would do more to reduce abortions than anyone possibly could. And no I'm not joking. Universal access to sex education and contraceptives could be a game changer. See Colorado. 

Believing overturning Roe V Wade would eliminate abortions is a dangerous myth. 

Premarital sex is not something the Catholic church supports either.

 

[NCCommish]

No matter what candidate or incumbent you are speaking about, trying to equate them to christianity is like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.

And that's not because of the issues of candidates and incumbents (despite them, like Trump, having issues). It's because christianity is still stuck in a reality that existed 20 centuries ago, and doesn't fit in our reality today. Christians justify this issue by believing they aren't supposed to be conformed to this world, which is ironic given how much the religion stole from pagan religions over the first few centuries. Very little of christianity is original stories, doctrine, or tradition. You can pretty much find the vast majority of it pulled from religions that existed before it. Which is why no rational candidate or incumbent would ever be a fundamentalist christian, as they get eaten alive in today's reality. 

See I disagree somewhat. I guess I'm picking and choosing but as I mentioned above I think following Christ's command to help the sick, feed the hungry, house the homeless, be there to support prisoners and raise them up. That is all still very valid and very necessary. I know candidates can run on those things this cycle. Now as I said picking and choosing because I ignore the Old Testament completely. And of course I'm an atheist so I take the parts I like.

 

[Henry Ford]

I thought you were taking a break?  Although with your posting frequency a few hours away is probably considered a break.

I had taken a few days off when my wife became quite ill.  I wouldn’t call sitting with her while she sleeps boring, but it does leave my hands and mind idle.  That is not ideal.  

 

[knowledge dropper]

How does anyone know that President Trump has not been saved or turned to Jesus in his more advanced years?

Most of these alleged infidelity stories are 10+ years old?  

He is now doing the things that many God-Fearing Christians want our President to do   

Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. (Matthew 7:1-2)

 

[Henry Ford]

How does anyone know that President Trump has not been saved or turned to Jesus in his more advanced years?

Most of these alleged infidelity stories are 10+ years old?  

He is now doing the things that many God-Fearing Christians want our President to do   

Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. (Matthew 7:1-2)

“Most” are over ten years old.  That’s primarily because there are dozens of these stories.  It would be hard to have them all in the last ten years. 

 

[Politician Spock]

See I disagree somewhat. I guess I'm picking and choosing but as I mentioned above I think following Christ's command to help the sick, feed the hungry, house the homeless, be there to support prisoners and raise them up. That is all still very valid and very necessary. I know candidates can run on those things this cycle. Now as I said picking and choosing because I ignore the Old Testament completely. And of course I'm an atheist so I take the parts I like.

I like the lessons Jesus taught too. And I as well think they are applicable today. 

But 1) they aren't original to Jesus; and 2) there's a lot more non-Jesus stuff in christianity than there is Jesus stuff. 

Like you said, to make christianity fit in today's reality requires a lot of picking and choosing. 

 

[parrot]

Premarital sex is not something the Catholic church supports either.

So when it comes to the death penalty you have no problem ignoring Catholic doctrine, but when it comes to serious stuff like premarital sex it's a quandary.  

 

[[scooter]]

Like you said, to make christianity fit in today's reality requires a lot of picking and choosing. 

Most of today's Trump-supporting Christians would have been burned at the stake 2000 years ago.

 

[NCCommish]

I like the lessons Jesus taught too. And I as well think they are applicable today. 

But 1) they aren't original to Jesus; and 2) there's a lot more non-Jesus stuff in christianity than there is Jesus stuff. 

Like you said, to make christianity fit in today's reality requires a lot of picking and choosing. 

Oh yeah lots of copying off other people's work in Christianity.

 

[parrot]

How does anyone know that President Trump has not been saved or turned to Jesus in his more advanced years?

Because we watch how he behaves every damn day.  

 

[Henry Ford]

Spot on.

This is why it is hard to take "I am a Christian but don't support Trump" seriously.

All Christians are guilty of sin, they are hypocrites to pretend they don't support Trump because he sinned in his past.

It is understandable though, if they vocally support Trump they will be attacked. The mob will try to ruin them personally and professionally.

Imagine what this board would do if Joe admitted he supported Trump.

Much easier to stay in the closet.

He’s accused of sexually assaulting someone who worked on his campaign for President.  I suppose that’s in his past, but not very far. 

 

[zoonation]

One that made me about spit out my coffee was a comment to a story one day I had read...

Speaking of Trump and Obama

"At least President Trump has read his Bible"

hilarious.  i bet he hasn't read 99% of the bible.i would also bet a lot of money that trump is an atheist.  Sociopaths don't believe in anything but themselves.

 

[Henry Ford]

I would use the lmao emoji at this nonsense but calling out fake sexual assault claims leads to 6 month suspensions.

Sad that someone with your background and influence on this board continues to push propaganda.

There’s a lawsuit.  

 

[[scooter]]

How does anyone know that President Trump has not been saved or turned to Jesus in his more advanced years?

Most of these alleged infidelity stories are 10+ years old?  

He is now doing the things that many God-Fearing Christians want our President to do   

Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. (Matthew 7:1-2)

Because Trump has specifically stated that he has never sought forgiveness

You cannot be saved if you don't seek forgiveness.

You cannot be saved if you say, "Why do I have to repent, why do I have to ask for forgiveness, if I'm not making mistakes?"

 

[squistion]

Imagine what this board would do if Joe admitted he supported Trump.

Probably not much. When Dodds was doing his thing in the Pizzagate Comet Ping Pong thread, people generally rolled with it, although some threatened to cancel their FBGs subscriptions and/or leave this site forever. Not surprisingly, people were for the most part extremely respectful in disagreeing with him, most walking on the proverbial eggshells.

I imagine the initial response would be "Say it ain't so, Joe" but then people would move on to their usual activities in this forum.

 

[[scooter]]

Imagine what this board would do if Joe admitted he supported Trump.

I had always figured that Joe supported Trump, based on the special treatment given to Trump supporters on this board, along with the fact that his business partner was allowed to peddle conspiracy theories and openly accuse other businesses of harboring child pornography.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Probably not much. When Dodds was doing his thing in the Pizzagate Comet Ping Pong thread, people generally rolled with it, although some threatened to cancel their FBGs subscriptions and/or leave this site forever. Not surprisingly, people were for the most part extremely respectful in disagreeing with him, most walking on the proverbial eggshells.

I imagine the initial response would be "Say it ain;t so, Joe" but then people would move on to their usual activities in this forum.

It would be unpopular here for sure if I were to support Trump but everyone here is almost always super kind to me. 

I'd hope it would be like it is with my Republican friends who kid me about voting for Hillary Clinton but in the end, our friendship is stronger than a candidate. (It was one of my friends that started this whole thought for me as he texted me this video today https://twitter.com/Cliff_Sims/status/1109962032995069952 with the caption it was Trump after so much winning. )

 

[Joe Bryant]

I had always figured that Joe supported Trump, based on the special treatment given to Trump supporters on this board, along with the fact that his business partner was allowed to peddle conspiracy theories and openly accuse other businesses of harboring child pornography.

Sorry but wrong. 

I know there are a handful of people who love to drag up pizzagate over and over. I'm not sure how much more clear I can be on it. I asked David to stop there and he did. End of story. 

 

[BobbyLayne]

How does anyone know that President Trump has not been saved or turned to Jesus in his more advanced years?

Most of these alleged infidelity stories are 10+ years old?  

He is now doing the things that many God-Fearing Christians want our President to do   

Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. (Matthew 7:1-2)

I have good news.

Candidate Trump struggled a bit to come up with his favorite bible verse but settled on an eye for an eye.

http://amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/apr/14/donald-trump-favorite-bible-verse-one-jesus-specif/

 

[Don't Noonan]

So when it comes to the death penalty you have no problem ignoring Catholic doctrine, but when it comes to serious stuff like premarital sex it's a quandary.  

Link?  I never said that.  I was comparing abortion and the death penalty and said abortion is way worse.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Probably not much. When Dodds was doing his thing in the Pizzagate Comet Ping Pong thread, people generally rolled with it, although some threatened to cancel their FBGs subscriptions and/or leave this site forever. Not surprisingly, people were for the most part extremely respectful in disagreeing with him, most walking on the proverbial eggshells.

I imagine the initial response would be "Say it ain't so, Joe" but then people would move on to their usual activities in this forum.

Dodds posted once yesterday and got a troll response from one of the usual suspects within minutes.  I think you forgot about the guy that told him have sex with himself too.  People didn't just roll with it with Dodds.

 

[jonessed]

I find religion to be very personal.  I don’t think I would feel comfortable using my religious beliefs as a tool to shame others.

 

[lazyike]

Has Trump admitted he had affairs?  I may have missed it.

Has he ever admitted anything he has done if it doesn’t suit his fancy, even if there is video or audio confirming it?

 

[lazyike]

As a Catholic I find it hard to understand why any Catholics would vote Democrat and back a candidate who supports abortion.  

As a pro life Catholic I am likely going to vote Democrat for the first time in a Presidential election and doing it in an attempt to get the Republican Party back to supporting  candidates of integrity and character. Trump has made appointments to the Supreme Court that are pro life ( like almost any Republican President would have)and think that to bring the Republican Party back from it’s current  state of nastiness and crazy we can handle 4 years of a Democrat. Also my Democrat Representative from MInnesota is pro-life..... Colin Peterson. 

I also say  that some of Trumps policies including immigration, support for death penalty, are not pro life and think he is not being a good steward environmentally  with his view on global warming is a moral issue as well.