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Those are not words of losing but words of growing. Everyone here can learn and in the end that is what debate should be about.
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For My Christian Friends Supporting Trump (1 Viewer)
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Captain Cranks
Footballguy
The Bible is pretty clear on how God feels about adultery. The same thing can't be said about abortion which isn't even mentioned.
IC FBGCav
Footballguy
We live in a world of acceptable sins. Which are acceptable are person dependant.
Captain Cranks
Footballguy
I like to quip that the answer to WWJD on election day 2016 was not, "Vote for Trump because Hillary is the devil.". Unfortunately, that's what a lot of Christians in my circles believed was the answer.
Captain Cranks
Footballguy
No disagreement there. I'm just saying it's incredibly rare to see it. And anyone looking for it is likely to be looking for a very long time.
IC FBGCav
Footballguy
IC FBGCav
Footballguy
I get it. No reason to discuss things then if we are just stating opinions and not using facts.
Probably the single most influential part of his presidency: Two highly conservative supreme court justices. Maybe three.
FWIW, most of the people I know that voted for President Trump put Supreme Court Nominees as the primary reason they voted for him.
Yeah, and since some people are able to see Jesus in, and presumably working through, a piece of toast - the question I responded to was...well silly.
Seriously though, I can't quote scripture like some of these guys can but the possibility that this supreme court could shape law for decades in a more conservative way would make putting up with Trump for a few years pretty trivial compared to whaling babies and gnashing of teeth. Compared to the reverse happening. Maybe God didn't get involved until after the primaries, giving man as much free choice as he could possibly allow, and then just let out a big sigh and said Ok then if that's what it takes.
IC FBGCav
Footballguy
Ok. My opinion is the Catholic church protected pedophiles and put their congregation's children at risk. What is yours?
Most discussions are stating opinions. Hopefully, facts are used
Politician Spock
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pinkham13
Footballguy
LOL. Have you seen the Ten Commandments? It’s like rule number 1. Thou shalt not murder. Besides that as another poster said the alternative was so much nastier.
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joffer
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[scooter]
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Come on, he was only off by 4, 5 or 6 spots (depending on which version of the bible is used). Gotta give him credit for that.
However, the bible only outlaws illegal killings. And since abortion is legal in the United States, it's not technically a violation of the Commandment to abort a pregnancy. From a biblical point of view, it's no different than a soldier killing an enemy soldier during battle.
pinkham13
Footballguy
Well I’m not the judge and I will never judge a woman for making a reasonable decision pertaining to her individual circumstances. I do think planned parenthood targeting a 300,000 a year quota and selling abortion by products for profit is pretty gross though.
sublimeone
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The Bible has stories about all kinds of people and all of them are imperfect (with one notable exception). That’s sort of the point. Do you think God cannot forgive a person like DJT?
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sublimeone
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Actually, the answer to your question is: no, God cannot forgive a person like Donald Trump.
In fact, the bible is quite clear. God only forgives those who repent and ask for God's forgiveness.
And Donald Trump has made it known that he has not repented and asked for God's forgiveness.
badmojo1006
Footballguy
As far as I know, Trump has never admitted his sins and asked for forgiveness.
Once that is done, try to be a better person and follow the Teachings of Jesus.
I don't see him doing that ever
IC FBGCav
Footballguy
I think forgiveness is a crutch to let bad people be bad. I don't care what God does with DJT. I live in the real world.
The Commish
Footballguy
I'm not sure I'd go that far. There are plenty here that I have conversations with where we acknowledge being wrong during a discussion. I think it boils down to the person's motive for being here in the first place and their willingness to be honest. I know when I go into a conversation with a good many that it will be respectful and honest even if we disagree and there's a good number of people here that cause me to pause and reevaluate if they tell me I'm wrong or misunderstand something.
I think God will forgive those who ask for forgiveness.
Do you think that Trump acknowledges his sins and asks for forgiveness every day? I do not think Trump apologizes to anyone, at any time. Asking for forgiveness is akin to admitting you made an error - and if there is one thing you should have learned by now, is that Trump does not admit he made an error.
I also think God loves all humans - and there is no way on God's green earth, that he would put someone like Trump in a position to create as much hurt and divisiveness around the world as Trump does, on a daily basis.
To the extent you truly believe in God, and heaven and hell, then it is infinitely more likely that Trump is an agent of Satan, sent to sow discord, than he is an agent of God.
sho nuff
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Stealthycat
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I think what Trump did with the declaration for the border security funding has a precedence and it held up against the House and I think it'll hold up everywhere else too. That power for that declaration exits.
If you think its the same thing as abortion that's your opinion, connect those dots and run with it. I don't think its the same. At all.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
true although I'm not sure abortion was a well used thing 2500 years ago .... but scripture is very clear on the value of innocents and children
Stealthycat
Footballguy
that's not being a Christian .......... we're not supposed to live luke warm right ?
The Commish
Footballguy
WIll you please link me to the actions that show this precedent to his action on border security and then explain why you think declaring a national emergency around abortion would be different. I get that you think it's different. You've said that. I want to understand the why part because there was allegedly a TON of angst among the GOP politicians for him to go this route on the border and their reason was because it's never been done before and WOULD set a precedent moving forward that doesn't exist today.
shader
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BroadwayG
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The Trump border cages sure made it clear how he values innocents and children.
'Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, is none of my business.'
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Stealthycat
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no
that distracts from the thread Joe started and takes it to a totally different direction. I wasn't the one who tried to tie abortion to national emergency declarations - I simply stated that its more baffling to me how a Christian can vote for a pro-abortion candidate than perhaps anything else
I don't mind discussing it The Commish - just not on this thread, k ?
Stealthycat
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BroadwayG
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The Commish
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Stealthycat
Footballguy
worse? why aren't Democrats trying to secure the border if its worse? sounds like a ............ say it with me .......... national emergency?
but thanks for clarifying that is wasn't Trump caging kids, for a minute I thought people still believed that fake news ! whew
whoknew
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And what - to them - is so important about having conservatives on the S.Ct? Is it just to chip away (even more) at Roe v Wade? To overturn gay marriage? Anything else?
whoknew
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The Commish
Footballguy
He means the locking up of kids is worse. They are coming here with their families seeking asylum, getting separated from their parents and locked up or shipped off to places all over the country. No other president has done that.
Though, I'll point out you don't seem to have a problem discussing this topic in this thread even though it's not the intention of the thread....weird
ETA: And the Democrats are trying to secure the border. They want more personnel, new technology to help with drugs, more judges to process faster, repair existing structure etc. What they don't want is a wall that won't help in any meaningful way. That's not equal to "not securing the border".
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BroadwayG
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Thanks for clarifying you don't care about Christian values if Obama did it first.
#1? It's like number 4 or 5, God had to put several about himself above murder. 7 of the 10 aren't even illegal. Well, 7.5 if you think abortion is murder.
Just to be clear, this is the same God that at one point drowned every single person on the planet other than Noah and his family?
pinkham13
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
No again as has been said over and over...when you make claims it’s up to you to back it up (especially when asked)...not up to everyone else to do your work for you.
pinkham13
Footballguy
Didn’t actually see the stone tablets myself but ya you may have “got” me on that one
pinkham13
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
Then if it’s a fact it would be easy for you to back up with a credible source rather than playing this game. Try it...
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