For the first time ever in my league we might have to kick out an owne (1 Viewer)

[shadyridr]

OK This guy has been an owner for 5 years. Hes been a great owner all those years. Anyway, this week I made a trade with him giving up Clinton Portis, Ladell Betts, and Bernard Berrian for Frank Gore and Marc Bulger. Two people in particular on the message boards got pissed about the trade and started telling him thanks for losing on purpose and stuff like that. Basically abusing him for the trade. I thought these people were idiotic cuz the guy shouldnt be criticized for making moves that he thinks helps his team. So I was defending him on the message boards. Finally he saw all the message boards and took no prisoners cursing out 3 of the owners. Then the next day he emailed me and told me he wont be returning to the league next year but that he will continue to set his lineup every week, he just wont make any more moves. I said thanks and told him good luck, etc. Then today I sign online to the site and notice that he put all his backups in his starting lineup and benched his starters (he put guys like Favre, Driver, Winslow, and Morris in his lineup). Now Im gonna email him and ask him why hes doing this but if he doesnt change it Im gonna have to take over his team. How do I set his lineup in fairness every week? One positive is he DID pay the league fee so if I find anybody to take over his team they would have a free chance at any prize money.

 

[John Mamula]

OK This guy has been an owner for 5 years. Hes been a great owner all those years. Anyway, this week I made a trade with him giving up Clinton Portis, Ladell Betts, and Bernard Berrian for Frank Gore and Marc Bulger. Two people in particular on the message boards got pissed about the trade and started telling him thanks for losing on purpose and stuff like that. Basically abusing him for the trade. I thought these people were idiotic cuz the guy shouldnt be criticized for making moves that he thinks helps his team. So I was defending him on the message boards. Finally he saw all the message boards and took no prisoners cursing out 3 of the owners. Then the next day he emailed me and told me he wont be returning to the league next year but that he will continue to set his lineup every week, he just wont make any more moves. I said thanks and told him good luck, etc. Then today I sign online to the site and notice that he put all his backups in his starting lineup and benched his starters (he put guys like Favre, Driver, Winslow, and Morris in his lineup). Now Im gonna email him and ask him why hes doing this but if he doesnt change it Im gonna have to take over his team. How do I set his lineup in fairness every week? One positive is he DID pay the league fee so if I find anybody to take over his team they would have a free chance at any prize money.

start the best available people who have scored the most points YTD.

 

[The Jerk]

How do I set his lineup in fairness every week?

Maybe he'll actually agree to manage the team competitively.If not, I would advise using an outside ranking source and following it exactly with no deviations. It could be a pay site or probably better yet a free site like fftoday or sportsline, etc.This takes all of the potential conflict of interest and bias out of the equation.Good luck.

 

[The Jerk]

start the best available people who have scored the most points YTD.

Another reasonable approach, and one that factors in the particular point scoring system better than a website. However, it doesn't account for injuries or players who got off to a slow start. For example, Harrison would not likely be a starter over players like Ronald Curry or Patrick Crayton, when most people would want him in their lineups over those WRs.

 

[AnonymousBob]

How do I set his lineup in fairness every week?

Maybe he'll actually agree to manage the team competitively.If not, I would advise using an outside ranking source and following it exactly with no deviations. It could be a pay site or probably better yet a free site like fftoday or sportsline, etc.This takes all of the potential conflict of interest and bias out of the equation.Good luck.

This is good advice. That wasn't a bad deal, not sure why the other owners would give him a hard time.

 

[John Mamula]

start the best available people who have scored the most points YTD.

Another reasonable approach, and one that factors in the particular point scoring system better than a website. However, it doesn't account for injuries or players who got off to a slow start. For example, Harrison would not likely be a starter over players like Ronald Curry or Patrick Crayton, when most people would want him in their lineups over those WRs.

yeah, i think bottom line you need to use a system that is objective and that is communicated to everyone in the league.

 

[SharkBait]

OK This guy has been an owner for 5 years. Hes been a great owner all those years. Anyway, this week I made a trade with him giving up Clinton Portis, Ladell Betts, and Bernard Berrian for Frank Gore and Marc Bulger. Two people in particular on the message boards got pissed about the trade and started telling him thanks for losing on purpose and stuff like that. Basically abusing him for the trade. I thought these people were idiotic cuz the guy shouldnt be criticized for making moves that he thinks helps his team. So I was defending him on the message boards. Finally he saw all the message boards and took no prisoners cursing out 3 of the owners. Then the next day he emailed me and told me he wont be returning to the league next year but that he will continue to set his lineup every week, he just wont make any more moves. I said thanks and told him good luck, etc. Then today I sign online to the site and notice that he put all his backups in his starting lineup and benched his starters (he put guys like Favre, Driver, Winslow, and Morris in his lineup). Now Im gonna email him and ask him why hes doing this but if he doesnt change it Im gonna have to take over his team. How do I set his lineup in fairness every week? One positive is he DID pay the league fee so if I find anybody to take over his team they would have a free chance at any prize money.

"cursing"? Oh, my!

 

[Black]

Personally, I'd talk to him, tell him those other guys are idiots, and ask him to stay on board. Maybe he'll cool down by the weekend.

Otherwise, find someone cool to take over his team and assume the fee, if it's not too hefty...or if the team sucks and/or the guy's a jerk about it and won't set his lineup, turn the team over to another person and DON'T require them to pay.

 

[Pound]

I would advise using an outside ranking source and following it exactly with no deviations.

 

[Phurfur]

How old is this guy? 12? Taking and giving crap is part of FF and can be allot of fun if you don't take it seriously. You are better off without him. If he starts players on bye this week throw him out for that reason and bring in a new owner. I am sure any number of people would do this for a paid up team.

 

[urbanhack]

I would advise using an outside ranking source and following it exactly with no deviations.

 

[brednbuddah]

I did this exact thing several years ago in my 14-team money league.

I put in my backups because I had already secured a playoff spot and a team who had really gotten hot needed my team to win for his team to make the playoffs. I saw it as strategy and stuck by my guns after repeated warnings from the commish that I would be kicked out of the league if the lineup were to remain backups.

after the season I was promptly kicked out of the league. It was the right move.

 

[ImTheScientist]

:honda:

 

[ImTheScientist]

Search function next time. All of these links are from you started on this same topic. Please don't pee in the pool.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...91&hl=owner

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...=350745&hl=

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...=275696&hl=

 

[shadyridr]

OK question. I can set his lineup every week using an outside rankings website. Thats fine. But do I pick up players for guys that are injured or if he has bye week conflicts in the future? I can pick up players after our bidding period is over by selecting the highest ranked free agent in our league for any injuries he has. Or should I just leave his roster exactly entact and start injured guys if thats what it comes down to?

 

[shadyridr]

Search function next time. All of these links are from you started on this same topic. Please don't pee in the pool.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...91&hl=owner

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...=350745&hl=

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...=275696&hl=

Wow nice job man. Thats not even the same owner. But thanks for playing . You notice how the owner in the OP has been in the league for 5 years and that other guy is in his 2nd year? Im not kicking the other guy out. As a matter of fact despite me not agreeing with his moves he has been very active so he is welcome back next year.

 

[EdwardCat]

Search function next time. All of these links are from you started on this same topic. Please don't pee in the pool.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...91&hl=owner

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...=350745&hl=

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...=275696&hl=

Wow nice job man. Thats not even the same owner. But thanks for playing . You notice how the owner in the OP has been in the league for 5 years and that other guy is in his 2nd year? Im not kicking the other guy out. As a matter of fact despite me not agreeing with his moves he has been very active so he is welcome back next year.

I wouldn't worry too much about The Scientist. He gets his kicks on insulting and belittling others. The more you give the troll food, the more he's likely to come back to you.

 

[The Jerk]

OK question. I can set his lineup every week using an outside rankings website. Thats fine. But do I pick up players for guys that are injured or if he has bye week conflicts in the future? I can pick up players after our bidding period is over by selecting the highest ranked free agent in our league for any injuries he has. Or should I just leave his roster exactly entact and start injured guys if thats what it comes down to?

This is a little bit harder because it is more subjective. I like the waiting until after bid period idea myself; choosing highest ranked free agents for injuries. For a source, you might consider a "rest of season rankings" listing. I have no idea what the roster sizes are and what this team's current allocation is, but hopefully you can avoid needing to make multiple changes.If you can find a friend to step in and take it at least a little bit seriously, this would be preferred for all team management. Otherwise, consult with the other owners to see what their recommendations are, especially with roster add/drops.

 

[EdwardCat]

How do I set his lineup in fairness every week?

Maybe he'll actually agree to manage the team competitively.If not, I would advise using an outside ranking source and following it exactly with no deviations. It could be a pay site or probably better yet a free site like fftoday or sportsline, etc.This takes all of the potential conflict of interest and bias out of the equation.Good luck.

This is probably the best idea out there.

 

[shadyridr]

The weird thing is this is how he ended his last email to me "Consider this my resignation for next season. I'll play properly with my bench for the interim. Later" and then a few hours later he changes his whole lineup to backups.

 

[Irish1995]

Does your league constitution provide any remedy for this? If not, it should.

If you have anything in the rules that would allow it I would remove him as an owner now and find someone to take over the team.

 

[shadyridr]

Does your league constitution provide any remedy for this? If not, it should.If you have anything in the rules that would allow it I would remove him as an owner now and find someone to take over the team.

OK hypothetically speaking, lets say I find a new owner to take over his team. What happens if the new owner wins money? (Weekly prizes of $20, Playoff winner wins $600 and other payoffs) Its not like I expect the new owner to pay the league fee especially since its paid already. But should the new owner make the old owner's prize money? Whats done in this case? Im so stressed out and upset about this now.

 

[RCon]

Put his potential starters up as a poll in the Assistant Coach forum and use whichever players the FBGs vote for.

If he wins anything, just put it into the pot for next year.

 

[fsufan]

OK This guy has been an owner for 5 years. Hes been a great owner all those years. Anyway, this week I made a trade with him giving up Clinton Portis, Ladell Betts, and Bernard Berrian for Frank Gore and Marc Bulger. Two people in particular on the message boards got pissed about the trade and started telling him thanks for losing on purpose and stuff like that. Basically abusing him for the trade. I thought these people were idiotic cuz the guy shouldnt be criticized for making moves that he thinks helps his team. So I was defending him on the message boards. Finally he saw all the message boards and took no prisoners cursing out 3 of the owners. Then the next day he emailed me and told me he wont be returning to the league next year but that he will continue to set his lineup every week, he just wont make any more moves. I said thanks and told him good luck, etc. Then today I sign online to the site and notice that he put all his backups in his starting lineup and benched his starters (he put guys like Favre, Driver, Winslow, and Morris in his lineup). Now Im gonna email him and ask him why hes doing this but if he doesnt change it Im gonna have to take over his team. How do I set his lineup in fairness every week? One positive is he DID pay the league fee so if I find anybody to take over his team they would have a free chance at any prize money.

haven't you posted other threads about problems in your league? FF is suppose to be fun

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Does your league constitution provide any remedy for this? If not, it should.If you have anything in the rules that would allow it I would remove him as an owner now and find someone to take over the team.

OK hypothetically speaking, lets say I find a new owner to take over his team. What happens if the new owner wins money? (Weekly prizes of $20, Playoff winner wins $600 and other payoffs) Its not like I expect the new owner to pay the league fee especially since its paid already. But should the new owner make the old owner's prize money? Whats done in this case? Im so stressed out and upset about this now.

Find a new owner, shouldn't be hard (hell, I;ll volunteer if you need someone)And I would say they absolutely win $$...This is the best way to make sure they give their all

 

[dotman]

I'll throw 20 more bucks in the pool to take over the team and get a fair shot at the prize money.

 

[shadyridr]

Guys Ive gotten quite a few PMs. Let me just see if this guy responds by tomorrow. Ill let you know what happens and then Ill pick somebody.

 

[BigJim®]

The weird thing is this is how he ended his last email to me "Consider this my resignation for next season. I'll play properly with my bench for the interim. Later" and then a few hours later he changes his whole lineup to backups.

ETA - it would appear I was mistaken

 

[shredhead]

One positive is he DID pay the league fee so if I find anybody to take over his team they would have a free chance at any prize money.

 

[Keys Myaths]

OK This guy has been an owner for 5 years. Hes been a great owner all those years. Anyway, this week I made a trade with him giving up Clinton Portis, Ladell Betts, and Bernard Berrian for Frank Gore and Marc Bulger.

I like his side of the trade better. What the #### are they arguing about?

 

[Assani Fisher]

OK This guy has been an owner for 5 years. Hes been a great owner all those years. Anyway, this week I made a trade with him giving up Clinton Portis, Ladell Betts, and Bernard Berrian for Frank Gore and Marc Bulger. Two people in particular on the message boards got pissed about the trade and started telling him thanks for losing on purpose and stuff like that. Basically abusing him for the trade. I thought these people were idiotic cuz the guy shouldnt be criticized for making moves that he thinks helps his team. So I was defending him on the message boards. Finally he saw all the message boards and took no prisoners cursing out 3 of the owners. Then the next day he emailed me and told me he wont be returning to the league next year but that he will continue to set his lineup every week, he just wont make any more moves. I said thanks and told him good luck, etc. Then today I sign online to the site and notice that he put all his backups in his starting lineup and benched his starters (he put guys like Favre, Driver, Winslow, and Morris in his lineup). Now Im gonna email him and ask him why hes doing this but if he doesnt change it Im gonna have to take over his team. How do I set his lineup in fairness every week? One positive is he DID pay the league fee so if I find anybody to take over his team they would have a free chance at any prize money.

I'm not in any leagues this year and I'm on the computer for 8+ hours per day...pick me and I'll be as dedicated as possible to helping the team win.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

Man that sounds like a crappy league. No offense.

 

[BigJim®]

Man that sounds like a crappy league. No offense.

 

[shadyridr]

This is the email I sent him last night.

I noticed you changed your lineup and put all your backups in. Why didyou do this? Especially after telling me you would continue to setyour lineup every week. Are you trying to prove some kind of a point?I think youd try to win the money to basically prove a point to therest of the league. Please let me know whats up. I wouldnt wanna takecontrol over your team but if thats what I have to do then so be it.Its sad if it has to go down like this. Please let me know by Fridayas Im going to AC this weekend.

I dont think that was too over the top or anything. This is how he responds.

The regulars will be in there by game time.Sad you have to question me. You compliment me with one breath and accuse mein the next (quite a dichotomy in the e-mails below).In short, just toying around with the inbred untermensch; wanted to see howclose everyone is watching my every move. Perhaps if Lord of the Toilet andFatanasi watched their respective teams more closely, and spent less timetrying to rape my team with one-sided trades, this would truly be The HappyPlace.Also, wanted to see if you'd dare play with my lineup, as you finalized thetrade with your commissioner abilities (without my consent I dare say -wonder if the rest of the league knows that). I said I'd play out the seasonwith integrity, and I will do just that.Don't touch my team again! If you do, then refund my money. Needless to saywhat will happen if you go against my wishes.Prove? Once again, complimented in one turn and disparaged in the next. Iguess you really don't know me after how many seasons? I'd love to shove itdown their throats in fantasy and reality. I'll put the best team out there.

Im shocked, stunned, and a little hurt right now. Id like to respond but not sure what to say yet.

 

[shadyridr]

Also, wanted to see if you'd dare play with my lineup, as you finalized thetrade with your commissioner abilities (without my consent I dare say -wonder if the rest of the league knows that).

BTW hes making this part up as since it was a 3 team trade I told him to post a note on the message board. The whole trade was spelled out and agreed to on the message board. Instead of doing a bunch of trades I made things easier as commish and just did it all manually as agreed upon. I then mentioned on the boards that I did so. He made no complaint about this the day the trade went down.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

You posted seeking opinions so I will tell you exactly what I think.

The email you sent to him was horrible. Poorly written, obviously not well thought out, and abrasive. And if that wasn't enough, you closed with thinly veiled threats to boot...all the while questioning his integrity. Not good. What's more, this all comes after you told him otherwise a day or two before. And I'm sure you were his best friend when you wanted that trade just a week ago as well. No wonder he was flabbergasted. Personally, you sound like you might enjoy the power of commish a little too much. Regardless, good luck with the repair.

By the way, he destroyed you in his comeback. No offense.

 

[shadyridr]

You posted seeking opinions so I will tell you exactly what I think. The email you sent to him was horrible. Poorly written, obviously not well thought out, and abrasive. And if that wasn't enough, you closed with thinly veiled threats to boot...all the while questioning his integrity. Not good. What's more, this all comes after you told him otherwise a day or two before. And I'm sure you were his best friend when you wanted that trade just a week ago as well. No wonder he was flabbergasted. Personally, you sound like you might enjoy the power of commish a little too much. Regardless, good luck with the repair.By the way, he destroyed you in his comeback. No offense.

I didnt think my email was that harsh but thanks for your opinion. Also, I let my wife read it before I sent it and she thought it was fine, nothing too bad. Im just not sure what he expected me to believe when he had all his starters set earlier in the day and then I go home and he has guys like Brett Favre, Donald Driver, & Kellen Winslow back in the lineup. What else am I supposed to think other than he's sabotoging the league?

 

[shadyridr]

BTW does anybody else read this as physically threatening me?

Don't touch my team again! If you do, then refund my money. Needless to say

what will happen if you go against my wishes

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

You posted seeking opinions so I will tell you exactly what I think. The email you sent to him was horrible. Poorly written, obviously not well thought out, and abrasive. And if that wasn't enough, you closed with thinly veiled threats to boot...all the while questioning his integrity. Not good. What's more, this all comes after you told him otherwise a day or two before. And I'm sure you were his best friend when you wanted that trade just a week ago as well. No wonder he was flabbergasted. Personally, you sound like you might enjoy the power of commish a little too much. Regardless, good luck with the repair.By the way, he destroyed you in his comeback. No offense.

I didnt think my email was that harsh but thanks for your opinion. Im just not sure what he expected me to believe when he had all his starters set earlier in the day and then I go home and he has guys like Brett Favre, Donald Driver, & Kellen Winslow back in the lineup. What else am I supposed to think other than he's sabotoging the league?

To him, you jumped to conclusions. There was an better way to address that, whether he's right or wrong for messing with people. You let your emotions get the best of you, instead of managing the situation effectively. Think of as if you're the boss and you have to let an employee go. While you'd like to tell him to not let the door hit him on the way out, you can't. You are only asking for trouble. Is that good for the company? Of course not. As commish, the league comes before you. Otherwise, let someone else steer the ship that knows how.Look, he's on edge to begin with and you decide to let him know who's in charge? Before asking questions? You want a guy to blow up? Question his integrity, which you did. There's just better ways to handle that. Be diplomatic; it's your job. The less conflict the better, so only as a last result do you take, or even threaten, action. Instead, you led with it because you your ego takes precedent. The irony in all this, is that you've made your job tougher as a result of flexing your muscles. Now you're a babysitter too. Have fun in your bed, Dad.

 

[Kiddnets]

If you have a solid core without this tool - Take a private vote with your other owners - I would throw him out immediately and refund his $ - this is supposed to be a fun hobby even if it drives you nuts - dont need to deal with that drama IMO...

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

If you have a solid core without this tool - Take a private vote with your other owners - I would throw him out immediately and refund his $ - this is supposed to be a fun hobby even if it drives you nuts - dont need to deal with that drama IMO...

What did the "tool" do wrong exactly?

 

[Stealthycat]

He's pissed, and playing a game with toying around with his lineup.

As Commish, you have a responsibility to the league to insure that he's putting his best lineup forward every week.

Say no more about it, watch it closely, override his lineup if you have to, and even lock him out of controlling his team if need be.

One bad apple you know, and he's turning into one. Maybe he wont, but maybe he will, as Commish you have to watch the situation.

One league I saw had a new owner take over, and they controlled the team, the orig owner since he paid the year fees got 1/2 the money won (if any) - a good compromise

 

[shadyridr]

If you have a solid core without this tool - Take a private vote with your other owners - I would throw him out immediately and refund his $ - this is supposed to be a fun hobby even if it drives you nuts - dont need to deal with that drama IMO...

Part of me would love to just kick him out now as Im very distressed about this and I can almost feel the tension in the league right now. Of course Id refund his money if I do so.

 

[BigJim®]

You posted seeking opinions so I will tell you exactly what I think. The email you sent to him was horrible. Poorly written, obviously not well thought out, and abrasive. And if that wasn't enough, you closed with thinly veiled threats to boot...all the while questioning his integrity. Not good. What's more, this all comes after you told him otherwise a day or two before. And I'm sure you were his best friend when you wanted that trade just a week ago as well. No wonder he was flabbergasted. Personally, you sound like you might enjoy the power of commish a little too much. Regardless, good luck with the repair.By the way, he destroyed you in his comeback. No offense.

(A) The OP is nowhere near being in the right here. To me he stood by while some BS went on, gave no effort to resolve this in a bridge-mending way, and comes nowhere near trying to get the guy to reconsider what may have been a rash decision. In the end, he would appear to have sided with a couple bozo members who don't know the difference between a completely fair trade and a trade that's so lopsided it is worthy of hostile ridicule. Based on the subs being benched, the guy he's losing knows FF value, and was probably a good owner to have in the league. Not to worry, that guy is probably relieved he's out of that league. I would be. Enjoy that league.(B) The OP's email was fine [aside from implicitly ruling the guy staying]. He's clearly trying to be "noticed" hwever given his stated reasoning for entering a bad line-up.

 

[shadyridr]

You posted seeking opinions so I will tell you exactly what I think. The email you sent to him was horrible. Poorly written, obviously not well thought out, and abrasive. And if that wasn't enough, you closed with thinly veiled threats to boot...all the while questioning his integrity. Not good. What's more, this all comes after you told him otherwise a day or two before. And I'm sure you were his best friend when you wanted that trade just a week ago as well. No wonder he was flabbergasted. Personally, you sound like you might enjoy the power of commish a little too much. Regardless, good luck with the repair.By the way, he destroyed you in his comeback. No offense.

(A) The OP is nowhere near being in the right here. To me he stood by while some BS went on, gave no effort to resolve this in a bridge-mending way, and comes nowhere near trying to get the guy to reconsider what may have been a rash decision. In the end, he would appear to have sided with a couple bozo members who don't know the difference between a completely fair trade and a trade that's so lopsided it is worthy of hostile ridicule. Based on the subs being benched, the guy he's losing knows FF value, and was probably a good owner to have in the league. Not to worry, that guy is probably relieved he's out of that league. I would be. Enjoy that league.

Actually that whole night the trade went down, when the other guys in the league started #####ing about the trade I sat there and argued with them and defended this guy for the whole night. I basically told the other owners to butt out and they should criticize moves other teams make.

 

[Titan]

If I were you I would apologize to him. Just kinda spell it out, say that you reread your e-mail and you came off poorly and that you appreciate that he is going to play fair. Like Sonny said, be diplomatic, try to let this owner know you are on his side and that it was a bad situation and, out of trying to act in the best interest of the league you screwed up by questioning this person's integrity when you should have known better. I would also reiterate that this owner should not make any hasty decision but should see how the season plays out before deciding not to play again next year as this could blow over.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

You posted seeking opinions so I will tell you exactly what I think. The email you sent to him was horrible. Poorly written, obviously not well thought out, and abrasive. And if that wasn't enough, you closed with thinly veiled threats to boot...all the while questioning his integrity. Not good. What's more, this all comes after you told him otherwise a day or two before. And I'm sure you were his best friend when you wanted that trade just a week ago as well. No wonder he was flabbergasted. Personally, you sound like you might enjoy the power of commish a little too much. Regardless, good luck with the repair.By the way, he destroyed you in his comeback. No offense.

(A) The OP is nowhere near being in the right here. To me he stood by while some BS went on, gave no effort to resolve this in a bridge-mending way, and comes nowhere near trying to get the guy to reconsider what may have been a rash decision. In the end, he would appear to have sided with a couple bozo members who don't know the difference between a completely fair trade and a trade that's so lopsided it is worthy of hostile ridicule. Based on the subs being benched, the guy he's losing knows FF value, and was probably a good owner to have in the league. Not to worry, that guy is probably relieved he's out of that league. I would be. Enjoy that league.

Actually that whole night the trade went down, when the other guys in the league started #####ing about the trade I sat there and argued with them and defended this guy for the whole night. I basically told the other owners to butt out and they should criticize moves other teams make.

Of course you defended him, you got the sweet part of the deal that everybody's mad about. Correct?

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

Most here aren't reading the whole thread. They're making quick-fix suggestions and moving on. At least understand both sides if you are going to suggest a resolution or form an opinion. It will help shady.

 

[matuski]

What would Soulja Boy do?

 

[Keys Myaths]

@ everyone begging to join this league.

I'd kill myself if I were a part of this.