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For those of you that always think trades you are not in are lopsided. (1 Viewer)

Ministry of Pain

Ministry of Pain

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Now I think this is one of the worst trades I have seen in quite some time and there really isn't anything I can do about it. The day I could ever get this over on someone is the day they stop FF forever.

Basic league 6pt per TD and 1 pt per 10 rush/rec...must start 2 RB and 3 WR

Team A...this team gets the much better end of the deal

Roster with main parts

RB SJax, C.Dillon, L.Maroney, Deuce McAllister, Ahman Green

WR Steve Smith, L.Fitzgerald, R.Smith, D.Henderson, Reg.Williams, Ma Clayton

Team B...mystery new owner that lives close to the Team A owner

RB Shaun, Reuben, C.Perry, C.Brown, S.Gado...he's pretty weak after Shaun no doubt

WR M. Harrison H.Ward, Key Johnson, TJ Housh, J.Porter, B. Lloyd

Team A sends C.Dillon and Reggie Williams...Team B sends back M.Harrison and S.Gado...

To me seems very lopsided for team A...I can't see how you wouldn't think it. Reg Williams has had some mild success early but he is nowhere near the level of Harrison...and Dillon at best is in a RBBC situation...should have at least gotten 2 RBs for Harrison...unreal. He gets a major WR and gives up 2 average at best players.

Team A is 0-2, but will now field Steve Smith, Larry Fitzgerald and Marvin Harrison every week. Team B? I can't make a case where he benfits from the trade...he takes a step back at WR...A BIG ONE! And now he can pop Dillon into the line up but he is far form a quality RB1...borderline RB2. it's a 10 team league.

I had a huge advantage going into this season as I had LJ as my keeper and drew a high pick in the draft and secured LT...pretty sick backfield and so far it has been a big factor in me winning games. I understand owners not wanting to sit back and wait but Team B is a new owner and brought into the league by Team A...there really is nothing I can do about it.

I have played in this league for 10 years...Team owner and I are acually really good friends but this trade just stinks...so the next time you all think you have collusion, ask yourself...is it collusion or jealousy? I'm pretty envious of the trade but I can't believe my friend would commit any collusion. What say you?

 
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This has got to be a joke. The trade could work out for team B, it isn't like there is 0% chance they make out in the deal.

I would prefer the team A side, but this trade isn't bad enough to bat an eye.

 
AnonymousBob said:
We need a smilie of sour grapes.
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I agree...I stated I'm very envious of the trade...but I have had other owners calling wanting to debate whether this should stand. I usually see both sides of the trade but I am having a harder time with this one. I am not gonna over turn this but occasionally i let things go to a league vote...but even that path I usually do not go down.
 
FBGPoker said:
This has got to be a joke. The trade could work out for team B, it isn't like there is 0% chance they make out in the deal.

I would prefer the team A side, but this trade isn't bad enough to bat an eye.
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Right, and any Shark in here would want what Team A got...I don't think anyone would not do that trade if they were team A...they jump on it all day...which means its pretty lopsided. Any trade can work out for any team...that's the law of large numbers

 
I had to do a double take to see if this was really MOP... bit of a disappointment I must say, there are trades 10 times worse that have been posted here and the consensus has always been to quit crying and move on. I doubt you're going to get much support on this one.

 
HoTnickZ said:
I had to do a double take to see if this was really MOP... bit of a disappointment I must say, there are trades 10 times worse that have been posted here and the consensus has always been to quit crying and move on. I doubt you're going to get much support on this one.
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Truly sorry to disappoint everyone.Let me be a little more clear with the question.As a Commish, when you get calls or emails from people that have problems with trades do you ever entertain a league wide vote? In another league where i do not commish there is a 12 hour window where people can object to a trade...no one ever hardly does.BTW: I have not agreed with anyone that has called or emailed that it was a bad trade...and maybe those emails and calls are making me think about it more than I normally would
 
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That's the thing, I'm not even one of those people who thinks that any trade that isn't collusion should go through. Being commish, there are many times where if trades were to go through due to the sheer stupidity of one GM it would taint, if not lessen the overall competitiveness of the league so I'm with you on that one. But with that said, I just don't think the trade is THAT lopsided. Team A wins no doubt, and it would probably leave a questionable taste with me, but I don't think I'd stress over it too much.

 
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It does not look like collusion and is not a terrible deal IMO. I would never make it, but I could see how a guppy with RB depth issues hears the name "C. Dillon" and thinks he is still a stud. Furthermore, many out there don't think Harrison is the best WR on his team. If you know for an absolute FACT that owner B is an informed and experienced FF'er then you might have an argument, but I wouldn't think so.

I think you have an uninformed owner who overestimates Dillon and underestimates Harrison. The other two players are just filler and are not worth discussion.

On another note, if the Top 250 forward were more of a value rating system based on multiple opinions of players (akin to the stock market) you could take the values back to your leaguemates to show them what an assanine trade this really is. Instead it is just another example of one man's (albeit one very intelligent and informed fantasy expert) opinion of player values. I say this in this thread because I believe MOP was one of the posters questioning those of us who wanted more opinions included in the Top 250 forward.

Nothing personal MOP, as I have seen your name on these boards many times and I respect your opinion. I just think that this is a great example of how an accurate "current market value" of a player can really make trades go more smoothly and fairly. It is more difficult to fleece guppies when they know that the rest of the FF world thinks that they are making a bad decision.

For the record, it is not my intention to criticize the Top 250. It IS my intention to state that I wish there were a point-vlaue rating system for players so that I could convince the idiots in some of my leagues that just because you drafted Droughns in the second round and I drafted Frank Gore two rounds later does NOT mean that Gore and Droughns carry similar values or that Droughns is actually worth more. :shock:

On another note, I am all for fleecing guppies in my leagues, so long as I am the one doing the fleecing. When another owner fleeces a guppy it makes me :hot: . I think that's what this is.

 
There are some trades on the "What Trade Did You Make Today and Why?" thread that are much worse than this trade...this trade is slightly uneven at best, lop-sided at worst, but vetoe-able? Not even close.

 
Obviously, the best move for you here is to cancel payment on the check you used to enter the league, then dump all your players to free agency.

 
Based on Team B's need for a quality RB2, this trade looks legit. He probably could have done better, but I've seen far worse.

Seems like you just don't like it because Team A just got very good.

 
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HoTnickZ said:
That's the thing, I'm not even one of those people who thinks that any trade that isn't collusion should go through. Being commish, there are many times where if trades were to go through due to the sheer stupidity of one GM it would taint, if not lessen the overall competitiveness of the league so I'm with you on that one. But with that said, I just don't think the trade is THAT lopsided. Team A wins no doubt, and it would probably leave a questionable taste with me, but I don't think I'd stress over it too much.
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thank you, that's what I was looking for.
 
the rover said:
Based on Team B's need for a quality RB2, this trade looks legit. He probably could have done better, but I've seen far worse.Seems like you just don't like it because Team A just got very good.
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I would agree with you Rover...I don't want to, but I think that's pretty accurate.
 
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Ministry of Pain said:
HoTnickZ said:
That's the thing, I'm not even one of those people who thinks that any trade that isn't collusion should go through. Being commish, there are many times where if trades were to go through due to the sheer stupidity of one GM it would taint, if not lessen the overall competitiveness of the league so I'm with you on that one. But with that said, I just don't think the trade is THAT lopsided. Team A wins no doubt, and it would probably leave a questionable taste with me, but I don't think I'd stress over it too much.
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thank you, that's what I was looking for.
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The trade would've looked a lot better had the receiver been Ward. Team B obviously feels solid at WR with a need to solidify their RB2 spot. Trading strength for weakness, an age-old proverb I believe ;)Most of the time when we see a trade like this come across you'll get the owners who, after the fact, claim that they would've given up much more for the stud player (Harrison in this case). Unfortunately, these same owners aren't the ones initiating trade offers or responding to e-mails in a timely manner. It's just much easier to sit back and criticize than to do the legwork.
 
cracKer said:
Ministry of Pain said:
HoTnickZ said:
That's the thing, I'm not even one of those people who thinks that any trade that isn't collusion should go through. Being commish, there are many times where if trades were to go through due to the sheer stupidity of one GM it would taint, if not lessen the overall competitiveness of the league so I'm with you on that one. But with that said, I just don't think the trade is THAT lopsided. Team A wins no doubt, and it would probably leave a questionable taste with me, but I don't think I'd stress over it too much.
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thank you, that's what I was looking for.
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The trade would've looked a lot better had the receiver been Ward. Team B obviously feels solid at WR with a need to solidify their RB2 spot. Trading strength for weakness, an age-old proverb I believe ;) Most of the time when we see a trade like this come across you'll get the owners who, after the fact, claim that they would've given up much more for the stud player (Harrison in this case). Unfortunately, these same owners aren't the ones initiating trade offers or responding to e-mails in a timely manner. It's just much easier to sit back and criticize than to do the legwork.
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I can see that.top250: 1,789 to 572...Ouch!!!

 
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:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

So sad. The only thing that could have made this better is if I initiated this trade! :stirspot:

Joe & Co.,

Please start a forum for Trade Whiners Anonymous.

 
nightshift said:
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

So sad. The only thing that could have made this better is if I initiated this trade! :stirspot:

Joe & Co.,

Please start a forum for Trade Whiners Anonymous.
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Should we share some of the lowball offers you send out around your leagues big guy? Just praying someone clicks accept by accident? I'm sure it looks like a good trade to you.
 
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Uruk-Hai said:
MOP, do you know if Team B has played FF before? Also, do you know what team he follows?
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The Panthers...both owners live in South Carolina.And team B was brought over form an auction league that team A joined last season. One of the other notable moves from team B this season was...cutting Joey Galloway after week 1
 
Ministry of Pain said:
nightshift said:
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

So sad. The only thing that could have made this better is if I initiated this trade! :stirspot:

Joe & Co.,

Please start a forum for Trade Whiners Anonymous.
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Should we share some of the lowball offers you send out around your leagues big guy? Just praying someone clicks accept by accident? I'm sure it looks like a good trade to you.
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I have seen plenty of trades that look lopsided and turn out to be winners. If you has some serious experience playin' this game, you'd know that by now.Get your tissues out, watch some Oprah, and leave football to the big boys.

 
I really don't see the problem here. Team A gives up currently a Top 15 RB and a Top 20 WR for a Top 10 WR and a guy that might get a chance to play in HOU.

On some of my teams, I'd RATHER have Dillon and Williams than Harrison and Gado.

Not sure what your beef here is, MOP.

 
Ministry of Pain said:
Uruk-Hai said:
MOP, do you know if Team B has played FF before? Also, do you know what team he follows?
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The Panthers...both owners live in South Carolina.And team B was brought over form an auction league that team A joined last season. One of the other notable moves from team B this season was...cutting Joey Galloway after week 1
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Just checking. After some thought ( :banned: ), I agree with Anarchy - I don't think it'd be too hard to make a case for Team B here. I mean, Dillon's putting up numbers whether he's in a RBBC or not. The Colts the last few years are famous for having different guys blow up each week. And I'd much rather have Williams right now than Gado.
 
I don't get it. Isn't this pretty much Harrison for Dillon and Reggie Williams? Not close to the worst deal I've ever seen.

 
You know what it is MOP. I think it's a case where it's almost like you know too much, so it's obvious to you, and maybe I, that the odds are heavily stacked in one team's favour on how it is going to turn out that it seems inexcusable that they would make said deal.

It kind of reminds me of when Malcolm Gladwell was a guest on Sportsguy's column. His theory on Isaiah's tenure as the Knicks GM, and how he or any other average Joe would do better simply because they were not exposed or did not know as much about the game as Zeke, was brilliant.

 
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Sure are a bunch of babies and self righteous jerks in this thread. So the guy asked a question you didn't think warranted a thread...ignore it and move on no point in slamming the guy.

 
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