For Those Who Own Rivers AND Vick (1 Viewer)

[Tango]

The WR siutation may cause you to lean toward Vick, but as those of you who started Vick in the 1st Redskins game know; his injuries make him vulnerable and he cost many owners a W that week as Rivers went on to a good game. And Rivers has proven he can throw to anybody. So....here's how Im leaning in my no-playoff 17 week league:

11: Rivers vs DEN, Vick vs NYG. Tough one. But have to lean Rivers at home on Monday night and the over/under is 50. This is one of those ties-go-to-the-more-durable-QB spots.

12: Rivers at IND, Vick at CHI. Dome is helpful and do not judge the IND defense on it performance vs the Bengals

13: Rivers vs OAK, Vick at HOU. Vick by a landslide. OAK was able to pressure Rivers well.

14: Rivers vs KC, Vick at DAL. We'll see how Dallas develops, but have to lean Vick here. KC will do all it can to shorten the game.

15: Rivers vs SF, Vick at NYG. Another close one, but weather will likely be more of a factor in NY and it will be a battle for the division that might be played tight to the vest.

16: Rivers at CIN, Vick vs MIN. MIN defense has shown nothing, Rivers in CIN in late December might not suit the Chargers well.

17: Rivers at DEN, Vick vs DAL. Of course playoff scenarios will be the primary driver of their playing time, but they both are likely to be playing for something. In that case, Vick is the choice at home. Rivers has never played in Denver past November 19th and was 222-2-2 in that game.

So, as of now (11.16),:

Vick gets 4 starts

Rivers 3 starts

 

[PhantomJB]

I don't have Rivers and Vick, but do have Rivers and Orton.

My philosophy is, unless the matchup is extremely compelling (e.g. Vick vs. Houston), you have to just pick one stud and ride it. Otherwise, you WILL guess wrong at least one week, then you get into second guessing yourself, affecting the decision for the next week, and then you are just in a death spiral.

If a defense isn't Top 3 or Bottom 3 in the stats, IMO there is just too much randomness in NFL games to play the QB matchup game.

The way I answer the question to pick just one stud is to ask myself, who would I draft higher? For me it's Rivers given his consistency year-over-year and especially this year w/o weapons. Others may choose Vick but trying to guess game-to-game who is going to perform better is a recipe for brain damage.

 

[Tango]

Otherwise, you WILL guess wrong at least one week, then you get into second guessing yourself, affecting the decision for the next week, and then you are just in a death spiral.

I mostly disagree here...but I agree to the extent that second guessing can be costly when you find yourself choosing the player who played better in the last week simply b/c they were the last one chronologically to "look good". That's chasing points that have already been scored and is a losing proposition. This misguided strategy is most often implemented with defenses, but can also be applied here; esp with Vick coming off a roughly 60 point week.I can also find common ground in the fact that it is good to have an objective system, but riding one horse no matter what may not be the best one. Perhaps point-spread adj over/unders (which you can then back into the projected points scored for each team) is a superior way to go OR laying it out as in the OP and sticking with it. The bottomline is matchups, weather, home vs away (esp in the case of San Diego) and other circumstances shouldnt be ignored.

 

[rocketsauce]

Trade one.

 

[ebaughn]

Trade one.

I wish my trade line has passed and have them both in this Dynasty League. I guess it is a good problem to have.

 

[Instinctive]

I don't have Rivers and Vick, but do have Rivers and Orton.My philosophy is, unless the matchup is extremely compelling (e.g. Vick vs. Houston), you have to just pick one stud and ride it. Otherwise, you WILL guess wrong at least one week, then you get into second guessing yourself, affecting the decision for the next week, and then you are just in a death spiral.If a defense isn't Top 3 or Bottom 3 in the stats, IMO there is just too much randomness in NFL games to play the QB matchup game.The way I answer the question to pick just one stud is to ask myself, who would I draft higher? For me it's Rivers given his consistency year-over-year and especially this year w/o weapons. Others may choose Vick but trying to guess game-to-game who is going to perform better is a recipe for brain damage.

Ugh...I have Vick, Rivers, and Orton in a league. They are the top 3 in ppg and nobody wants one.I think that Vick is easily the best start in any given week, depending on league, because of his rushing. Especially if you play in a weird 4 pt pass v 6 pt rush TD league.Yardage? I like Rivers, especially as VJax comes back.

 

[Tango]

Trade one.

Trade deadline was week 10 and I needed Vick for the bye. Many others were put in the same situation so we're "stuck" with both of them....and as a result will be playing the matchups as described in the OP. Int he grand scheme of things, this is a good problem to have of course.As a footnote: I was at the game last night and besides all the obvious stuff, I'd say the most encouraging thing I saw from Vick is that he did a better job of avoiding contact than in the past. He seems to understand now that going 95% when he scrambles is better than going all-out 100%....because he will stay healthy that way.

 

[Steel Town]

Trade one.

As an owner of both Vick and Rivers, I have to chime in. I think the idea of trading one is a bad one. I get that you can only start one of these two. But you should be happy these guys are on your team and not allow a competitor to have one of these guys. They are both about as consistent and solid as they come. With the exception of the injury to Vick - you really could not have guessed 'wrong' on of these guys all year. Sure, one guy may outscore the other - but both are putting up big numbers. I think Rivers is the conservative pick with a higher floor and lower ceiling. Vick has a higher ceiling and could be used if you feel you need a stellar effort to get a victory. I wouldn't classify him as boom or bust though, as he has proven capable of weekly production. If you own both - KEEP them and don't let another team benefit from the production they will have.

 

[Instinctive]

Trade one.

As an owner of both Vick and Rivers, I have to chime in. I think the idea of trading one is a bad one. I get that you can only start one of these two. But you should be happy these guys are on your team and not allow a competitor to have one of these guys. They are both about as consistent and solid as they come. With the exception of the injury to Vick - you really could not have guessed 'wrong' on of these guys all year. Sure, one guy may outscore the other - but both are putting up big numbers. I think Rivers is the conservative pick with a higher floor and lower ceiling. Vick has a higher ceiling and could be used if you feel you need a stellar effort to get a victory. I wouldn't classify him as boom or bust though, as he has proven capable of weekly production. If you own both - KEEP them and don't let another team benefit from the production they will have.

This is a great point if you are a bigtime contender this year or in a redraft and locked up a playoff spot.In my situation, it's a dynasty and I am out of the playoffs. With Dez/Roddy/Crabtree/SidRice and the QBs I have a great core for next season, Beanie is my only RB though. So I can get more value out of trading for a guy like Stewart and a 1st rounder or another good receiver, enabling me to establish a dominating lineup for next season since this one is already lost (mathematically eliminated)But if you are in it, I would keep them. Nothing would be worse than trading one to see him beat you in the playoffs.

 

[Billy Costigan Jr]

Trade one.

As an owner of both Vick and Rivers, I have to chime in. I think the idea of trading one is a bad one. I get that you can only start one of these two. But you should be happy these guys are on your team and not allow a competitor to have one of these guys. They are both about as consistent and solid as they come. With the exception of the injury to Vick - you really could not have guessed 'wrong' on of these guys all year. Sure, one guy may outscore the other - but both are putting up big numbers. I think Rivers is the conservative pick with a higher floor and lower ceiling. Vick has a higher ceiling and could be used if you feel you need a stellar effort to get a victory. I wouldn't classify him as boom or bust though, as he has proven capable of weekly production. If you own both - KEEP them and don't let another team benefit from the production they will have.

As a Rivers owner who traded away Vick, can I just say where were you a few weeks ago?LOL...I was battling injuries and BYE Weeks at the same time, and traded Vick (also had Stafford), and am just completely regretting it.I'm in 1st place mind you, but it turns out that I made a competitor much stronger than it helped me.

 

[Tango]

The WR siutation may cause you to lean toward Vick, but as those of you who started Vick in the 1st Redskins game know; his injuries make him vulnerable and he cost many owners a W that week as Rivers went on to a good game. And Rivers has proven he can throw to anybody. So....here's how Im leaning in my no-playoff 17 week league:

11: Rivers vs DEN, Vick vs NYG. Tough one. But have to lean Rivers at home on Monday night and the over/under is 50. This is one of those ties-go-to-the-more-durable-QB spots.

Any disagreements on this weeks choice of Rivers?

 

[FUBAR]

As an owner of Vick and Rivers in a 2QB league, I love this "problem"

 

[Instinctive]

I would pick Rivers because the when the Giants hit a QB, they hit him hard. If Vick survives that game, i think he'll be good to go the rest of the season, but the injury risk of this week seems higher than normal.

 

[Tango]

15: Rivers vs SF, Vick at NYG. Another close one, but weather will likely be more of a factor in NY and it will be a battle for the division that might be played tight to the vest.

16: Rivers at CIN, Vick vs MIN. MIN defense has shown nothing, Rivers in CIN in late December might not suit the Chargers well.

17: Rivers at DEN, Vick vs DAL. Of course playoff scenarios will be the primary driver of their playing time, but they both are likely to be playing for something. In that case, Vick is the choice at home. Rivers has never played in Denver past November 19th and was 222-2-2 in that game.

So, as of now (11.16),:

Vick gets 4 starts

Rivers 3 starts

A month later.....have things changed? Yes. Rivers is taking some steps backwards:-Gates not improving

-No long balls thrown when leading

Im going Vick, Vick and Vick now depending on if/when playoff clinching affects the playing time.

 

[midnight_green81]

As an owner of Vick and Rivers in a 2QB league, I love this "problem"

Same here

 

[Steel Town]

15: Rivers vs SF, Vick at NYG. Another close one, but weather will likely be more of a factor in NY and it will be a battle for the division that might be played tight to the vest.

16: Rivers at CIN, Vick vs MIN. MIN defense has shown nothing, Rivers in CIN in late December might not suit the Chargers well.

17: Rivers at DEN, Vick vs DAL. Of course playoff scenarios will be the primary driver of their playing time, but they both are likely to be playing for something. In that case, Vick is the choice at home. Rivers has never played in Denver past November 19th and was 222-2-2 in that game.

So, as of now (11.16),:

Vick gets 4 starts

Rivers 3 starts

A month later.....have things changed? Yes. Rivers is taking some steps backwards:-Gates not improving

-No long balls thrown when leading

Im going Vick, Vick and Vick now depending on if/when playoff clinching affects the playing time.

I am going with Rivers this week. I like his chances more than I do Vick's. The G-Men have a good pass defense and can rush the passer. The Eagles O-line has been a mess. I think you have to go with Rivers given the choice.