Forget Manning vs Brady, that one's over (1 Viewer)

[Shirtless]

Brady:

YEAR G CMP ATT PCT YDS AVG TD LNG INT RAT

Career 129 2672 4218 63.3 30844 7.3 225 91 99 93.3

Warner:

YEAR TEAM G CMP ATT PCT YDS AVG TD LNG INT RAT

Career 124 2666 4070 65.5 32344 7.9 208 85 128 93.7

They played during roughly the same time period, and have pretty similar stat lines. Brady has more TDs and fewer picks, but you could also argue that he was on better teams more frequently, and Warner does have better accuracy. Both have three Super Bowl appearances, with Brady obviously winning 3 vs Warner's 1, though Warner brought two different teams (bad ones before he arrived at that) to the Super Bowl.

Seriously, last week John Clayton still ranked Brady above Manning, but to me it looks like Warner is a much better comparison. Why is Brady "one of the best ever" while Warner's hall-of-fame status is still being debated. Is there really that much of a difference or is Brady's personality cult really that influential?

 

[Anarchy99]

I know Pats fans want to forget the loss to the Giants, but I think Brady still gets credit for playing in a Super Bowl.

As for the question, I'm guessing that Warner had a better group of receivers in Holt, Bruce, Fitz, and Boldin. Brady had Moss and Welker for 2 years, the rest of the time he had mostly meh for receiving threats.

And playing half your games indoors never hurt either.

 

[captain_amazing]

I know Pats fans want to forget the loss to the Giants, but I think Brady still gets credit for playing in a Super Bowl.As for the question, I'm guessing that Warner had a better group of receivers in Holt, Bruce, Fitz, and Boldin. Brady had Moss and Welker for 2 years, the rest of the time he had mostly meh for receiving threats.And playing half your games indoors never hurt either.

I think this comparison would be more interesting if Brady were 40 and retiring....

 

[captain_amazing]

Brady:

Why is Brady "one of the best ever" while Warner's hall-of-fame status is still being debated. Is there really that much of a difference or is Brady's personality cult really that influential?

And also, Brady is discussed as "one of the best ever" because he has these career stats with still 6-8 yrs of football left in him AND with three shiny rings

 

[Pat Patriot]

Why would the Brady vs. Manning comparison be over?

Brady has 4 SB appearances and 3 titles. He has 1 MVP and the TD's in a season record.

Manning has 2 SB appearances and 1 title (possibly 2) and 4 MVP's.

Depends on your flavor. Do the MVP's out weigh the titles or the other way around? Since they both likely have 5-6 years left, the debate is still open.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Why would the Brady vs. Manning comparison be over? Brady has 4 SB appearances and 3 titles. He has 1 MVP and the TD's in a season record.Manning has 2 SB appearances and 1 title (possibly 2) and 4 MVP's.Depends on your flavor. Do the MVP's out weigh the titles or the other way around? Since they both likely have 5-6 years left, the debate is still open.

God told me it was over.

 

[Chaz McNulty]

Why would the Brady vs. Manning comparison be over? Brady has 4 SB appearances and 3 titles. He has 1 MVP and the TD's in a season record.Manning has 2 SB appearances and 1 title (possibly 2) and 4 MVP's.Depends on your flavor. Do the MVP's out weigh the titles or the other way around? Since they both likely have 5-6 years left, the debate is still open.

I believe the debate ended for most folks when Brady got injured and a scrub went 11-5 with the team.

 

[WfcChamp]

Warner never had any "inside" info on the opponents defensive play calls...I'm just sayin

 

[Clinton]

Why would the Brady vs. Manning comparison be over? Brady has 4 SB appearances and 3 titles. He has 1 MVP and the TD's in a season record.Manning has 2 SB appearances and 1 title (possibly 2) and 4 MVP's.Depends on your flavor. Do the MVP's out weigh the titles or the other way around? Since they both likely have 5-6 years left, the debate is still open.

I believe the debate ended for most folks when Brady got injured and a scrub went 11-5 with the team...

... with nearly the same team that went 18-1 the the season before and set the all-time record for most points scored. People act like there was no difference between those two seasons. There was a big difference, and it might of had something to do with the guy that set the QB touchdown mark just a season earlier.

 

[destro]

Why would the Brady vs. Manning comparison be over? Brady has 4 SB appearances and 3 titles. He has 1 MVP and the TD's in a season record.Manning has 2 SB appearances and 1 title (possibly 2) and 4 MVP's.Depends on your flavor. Do the MVP's out weigh the titles or the other way around? Since they both likely have 5-6 years left, the debate is still open.

I believe the debate ended for most folks when Brady got injured and a scrub went 11-5 with the team...

... with nearly the same team that went 18-1 the the season before and set the all-time record for most points scored. People act like there was no difference between those two seasons. There was a big difference, and it might of had something to do with the guy that set the QB touchdown mark just a season earlier.

Of course there was a huge difference, because Brady isn't a scrub. He's far, far better than a scrub.He's just not better than Peyton Manning.

 

[ookook]

Because I have watched them play and as a Packer's fan who has no interest in the AFC at all, Manning > Brady. By more than a just noticeable difference.

BTW, Pro Bowls are individual accomplishments, flawed as they are. SBs are team accomplishments.

Brady is Brasy, but I would have to say Manning may be the best QB to ever play the game.

 

[thatguy]

Why would the Brady vs. Manning comparison be over? Brady has 4 SB appearances and 3 titles. He has 1 MVP and the TD's in a season record.Manning has 2 SB appearances and 1 title (possibly 2) and 4 MVP's.Depends on your flavor. Do the MVP's out weigh the titles or the other way around? Since they both likely have 5-6 years left, the debate is still open.

There's also this:G CMP ATT PYD Y/A PTD INT 192 4232 6531 50128 7.7 366 181 129 2672 4218 30844 7.3 225 99 Counting stats obviously matter too, and unless Brady is still playing at a high level 4+ years after Peyton hangs 'em up, he won't come close to matching what Peyton will have accomplished.

 

[thatguy]

Because I have watched them play and as a Packer's fan who has no interest in the AFC at all, Manning > Brady. By more than a just noticeable difference.

BTW, Pro Bowls are individual accomplishments, flawed as they are. SBs are team accomplishments.

Brady is Brasy, but I would have to say Manning may be the best QB to ever play the game.

Concur.

 

[nicole320]

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[nicole320]

BTW,Tom Brady has more wins as a quarterback - he is on the NFL's all-time winning list with the 23rd most games won as a quarterback.

One could argue, however, that Kurt Warner's "greatest show on turf" performance when he took the St. Louis Rams to the Super Bowl and won as one of the best seasons of a quarterback ever. Not bad for a guy who went from grocery store clerk stocking shelves to a Super Bowl win.

 

[tones]

This year Manning is playing at a better level then Brady. Perhaps playing the position better than ANYONE EVER. But some may say that about Brady in 2007. Manning also played better than Brady last year given Brady didn't play.

As for the argument Manning went to a bad team and Brady was already on a good team. Not the case although the Colts may have been a slightly worse team.

Here is my deal with this argument. If you just follow players, Manning is most likely your guy. If you follow a team, Brady is or at least was. Second year as a pro and he takes his team to the Super Bowl and wins it with a last second drive when everyone wants him to take a knee... except for recently with Moss and Welker Brady has not had a better offense but a better team in the super bowl years with a solid D and special teams play. Not currently the case...

Banners hang forever and it is currently 3-1 soon to be 3-2.

 

[Tanner9919]

Why would the Brady vs. Manning comparison be over? Brady has 4 SB appearances and 3 titles. He has 1 MVP and the TD's in a season record.Manning has 2 SB appearances and 1 title (possibly 2) and 4 MVP's.Depends on your flavor. Do the MVP's out weigh the titles or the other way around? Since they both likely have 5-6 years left, the debate is still open.

not really.Brady >> Manning...until Manning gets his post season record on track, this will always be true..if Manning loses this game, the Colts will become the Atlanta Braves of the NFL..I don't get why so many people gloss over the fact that Manning's postseason record leaves a lot to be desired..why are his 5 one-n-done postseason appearances overlooked??? last I checked, sports were about winning...yes Manning wins reg season games, but games that matter, i.e., playoff games, he's nothing more than a middle-of-the road QB..that's not to say Trent Dilfer is better because he's won a SB too, but considering the body of work, consider all the 12+ win seasons, eventually, at some point, Manning needs to pile on SB victories.

 

[David Yudkin]

I thought this was a thread on Warner and Brady. How'd it become mostly focused on Peyton Manning?

 

[IDrinkyourMilkshake]

I don't think Manning vs Brady is over. Right now Peyton is hitting on all cylinders. A few years ago it was Brady. Next year it might flip-flop again. Both probably still have a lot of football left to play (although I can see Brady calling it quits early).

 

[djcolts]

Seriously, last week John Clayton still ranked Brady above Manning, but to me it looks like Warner is a much better comparison. Why is Brady "one of the best ever" while Warner's hall-of-fame status is still being debated. Is there really that much of a difference or is Brady's personality cult really that influential?

Warner has had terrible seasons or seasons where he's been the backup much of the season. Brady hasn't had one terrible season since taking over the starting job. That is in a nutshell why Brady >> Warner overall.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Brady >> Manning...until Manning gets his post season record on track, this will always be true..

I would say he's already done that.Peyton's career post season stats are skewed by his unbelievably awful first three post season games. It's true that Peyton struggled in the playoffs early in his career, but beyond that he's really course corrected and become every bit as good in the postseason as he has in the regular season.In fact, if you take his postseason stats beyond those first three games he's averaged 305 yards and nearly 2 TDs per game, working out to about 4900/30 which is actually BETTER than what he puts up in a typical regular season and damn near the NFL passing yards record. The team record in that time is 9-5, which is pretty good in postseason play.True, he has 5 one and dones, but 3 of those 5 came in those first 3 appearances where he really struggled, and he is clearly not the same guy now that he was then, nor has he been that guy for a long time.In the other two one and dones he threw for 402 yards and 3 touchdowns in one, and threw for 310 yards and 1 touchdown with no turnovers against the league's best defense (and eventual Super Bowl winners) in the other. Those weren't exactly his fault. Since Brady took over in NE, the Patriots have not lost a playoff game where their QB put up even CLOSE to numbers that good, which goes a long way to show the quality of defenses they've been playing with. Every game the Patriots have lost in the playoffs has come with poor QB play attached to it. Indy has lost even some games that Peyton played well in.

 

[djcolts]

Brady >> Manning...until Manning gets his post season record on track, this will always be true..

I would say he's already done that.Peyton's career post season stats are skewed by his unbelievably awful first three post season games. It's true that Peyton struggled in the playoffs early in his career, but beyond that he's really course corrected and become every bit as good in the postseason as he has in the regular season.In fact, if you take his postseason stats beyond those first three games he's averaged 305 yards and nearly 2 TDs per game, working out to about 4900/30 which is actually BETTER than what he puts up in a typical regular season and damn near the NFL passing yards record. The team record in that time is 9-5, which is pretty good in postseason play.True, he has 5 one and dones, but 3 of those 5 came in those first 3 appearances where he really struggled, and he is clearly not the same guy now that he was then, nor has he been that guy for a long time.In the other two one and dones he threw for 402 yards and 3 touchdowns in one, and threw for 310 yards and 1 touchdown with no turnovers against the league's best defense (and eventual Super Bowl winners) in the other. Those weren't exactly his fault. Since Brady took over in NE, the Patriots have not lost a playoff game where their QB put up even CLOSE to numbers that good, which goes a long way to show the quality of defenses they've been playing with. Every game the Patriots have lost in the playoffs has come with poor QB play attached to it. Indy has lost even some games that Peyton played well in.

The first 3 Manning/Colts playoff teams weren't very good. The 1999 year where the Colts were 13-3 was considered one of the luckiest seasons of all time according to Football Outsiders. The 2000 and 2002 teams had no business being in the playoffs in the first place. These were also the remnants of Jim Mora coaching this team - 2002 was the first Dungy year and that was a major year of transition on defense and offense.

 

[David Yudkin]

To level the playing field some, here's how each QB fared playing outdoors over their careers . . .

Brady

92.8 passer rating, 237.6 yds, 1.72 TD, 0.74 INT per game

Manning

89.9 passer rating, 262.2 yds, 1.66, 1.03 INT per game

Warner

84.4 passer rating, 255.9 yds, 1.29 TD, 1.19 INT per game

 

[djcolts]

To level the playing field some, here's how each QB fared playing outdoors over their careers . . .

Brady

92.8 passer rating, 237.6 yds, 1.72 TD, 0.74 INT per game

Manning

89.9 passer rating, 262.2 yds, 1.66, 1.03 INT per game

Warner

84.4 passer rating, 255.9 yds, 1.29 TD, 1.19 INT per game

If someone can figure out road outdoor games for Brady, you'd get another apples to apples comparision.Someone a ratings calculators could figure this out by taking his outdoors stars minus his home stats:

Road Outdoors: 51 games, 1079 completions, 1712 attempts, 248.4 yards/game, 63.0 completion %, 12670 yards, 7.4 Yards per attempt, 94 TDs, 52 INTs.

Edit: Got it - 91.1 QB rating.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5228/s...LYF?year=career

 

[David Yudkin]

To level the playing field some, here's how each QB fared playing outdoors over their careers . . .

Brady

92.8 passer rating, 237.6 yds, 1.72 TD, 0.74 INT per game

Manning

89.9 passer rating, 262.2 yds, 1.66, 1.03 INT per game

Warner

84.4 passer rating, 255.9 yds, 1.29 TD, 1.19 INT per game

If someone can figure out road outdoor games for Brady, you'd get another apples to apples comparision.Someone a ratings calculators could figure this out by taking his outdoors stars minus his home stats:

Road Outdoors: 51 games, 1079 completions, 1712 attempts, 248.4 yards/game, 63.0 completion %, 12670 yards, 7.4 Yards per attempt, 94 TDs, 52 INTs.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5228/s...LYF?year=career

Brady has averaged 248.4 yds, 1.84 TD, and 1.02 INT per game in non home games. No matter how you slice it, both Warner and Manning had the statistical benefit of playing far more games indoors than Brady (who has only played 13 games indoors).

 

[Carver]

Domes have helped both Manning and Warner. There is no doubt about that.

The Brady - Manning debate is far from over... The Brady - Warner debate is laughable at best.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Banners hang forever and it is currently 3-1 soon to be 3-2.

Was Troy Aikman better than Steve Young when the Cowboys were beating the 49ers all of the time and he was winning 3 Super Bowls as a starter and Young was only winning 1?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I would take Peyton Manning over Tom Brady and the Patriots becaquse the Colts were a bad team when Manning was drafted and the Patriots got Brady in the last roun shocker right I know so Manning made more progress from a team that stunk and drafted him the first pick and the Patriots were a good team when they got Tom Brady so Manning made more progress.

You may want to look that one up again.

 

[kaa]

The biggest knock on Brady is that he has never had to face a Belichick defense. Its almost like he's playing in a different league.

 

[Go deep]

Im curious to know if there are any non-Patriot fans who think Brady is better than Manning?

For those who argue Brady is better due to playoff performance/superbowl rings, do you think if the players were on the opposite teams tha would be the case? It is highly unlikely the Colts win a superbowl if Brady was their QB, and likely the Patriots have at least 4 rings, if not more. Anyone really think the Giants beat the Patriots in the superbowl if Manning is the QB?

As far as Warner vs. Brady, i give te edge to Brady, although the gap isnt that wide.

 

[captain_amazing]

Domes have helped both Manning and Warner. There is no doubt about that. The Brady - Manning debate is far from over... The Brady - Warner debate is laughable at best.

 

[Tornacl]

In 2007, Brady had an amazing year, but when you look at the rest of his stats, that season is the statistical outlier. Even with that one superb season, Brady has only thrown for 4000 yards two times and thrown for more than 28 TDs one time. He's a great QB, but I wouldn't consider him on the short list of best QBs ever. Yes, he's won more SBs than all but two starting QBs, but I wouldn't consider Bradshaw on that list either and he's won more than Brady. Winning SBs has more to do with the whole team. Brady has the SBs, but doesn't have the stats to match to be considered the best ever, nor do Bradshaw or Aikman, both of whom have at least as many SBs.

Manning has won four MVP awards, and continues to get better. I think that he will win at least one more SB, and after he's retired, I think he will be considered the best QB ever. If he doesn't win another SB, I think that he would probably be considered the second best behind Montana, because 4 - 1 is a very big margin.

Either way, its always premature to guess where they stand historically, because you don't know how they'll finish their careers. We should all be thankful that we get to watch them.

As far as the original post - Warner had one of the most amazing careers, and I think he'll end up making it into the hall of fame. People like him, his story is so unique, and he also was a great football player. (Having the three best SB games statistically doesn't hurt either). But with that being said, I think that Brady will end up pretty far ahead of Warner, because he should still have some good seasons left. Warner lost some prime years, but that's one of the reasons why his story is so special and people like him so much.

 

[David Yudkin]

Im curious to know if there are any non-Patriot fans who think Brady is better than Manning? For those who argue Brady is better due to playoff performance/superbowl rings, do you think if the players were on the opposite teams tha would be the case? It is highly unlikely the Colts win a superbowl if Brady was their QB, and likely the Patriots have at least 4 rings, if not more. Anyone really think the Giants beat the Patriots in the superbowl if Manning is the QB? As far as Warner vs. Brady, i give te edge to Brady, although the gap isnt that wide.

I don't think Brady is better than Manning, although I do think Manning had a better set of circumstances that has helped make him be better.

 

[fred_1_15301]

Why would the Brady vs. Manning comparison be over? Brady has 4 SB appearances and 3 titles. He has 1 MVP and the TD's in a season record.Manning has 2 SB appearances and 1 title (possibly 2) and 4 MVP's.Depends on your flavor. Do the MVP's out weigh the titles or the other way around? Since they both likely have 5-6 years left, the debate is still open.

There's also this:G CMP ATT PYD Y/A PTD INT 192 4232 6531 50128 7.7 366 181 129 2672 4218 30844 7.3 225 99 Counting stats obviously matter too, and unless Brady is still playing at a high level 4+ years after Peyton hangs 'em up, he won't come close to matching what Peyton will have accomplished.

:X Brady is an absolutely amazing qb but the comparisons with Manning should be put to rest already. Manning will end his career as the best qb ever............

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I don't think Manning vs Brady is over. Right now Peyton is hitting on all cylinders. A few years ago it was Brady. Next year it might flip-flop again. Both probably still have a lot of football left to play (although I can see Brady calling it quits early).

This is exactly true and this topic is no different than a million others on this board, people making brash statements because it's the here and now.Just like a few years ago everyone was saying Brady was better than Manning and being compared to Montana. All the Manning supporters had to fight against hte barrage of "he can't win the big one" and when he kept getting beat by NE, it was another punch in the gut for those Manning supporters.Now, it's come 180 degrees and it looks like Manning has the upper edge IF he wins this SB and Brady kind of declines and Manning goes on to maybe win even another SB and more MVP's.After you all learned to expect the unexpected in sports? That all things are possible. Do you really think it's impossible that next year Belicheck gets his team back to the SB and Brady has a great year etc.....

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Im curious to know if there are any non-Patriot fans who think Brady is better than Manning? For those who argue Brady is better due to playoff performance/superbowl rings, do you think if the players were on the opposite teams tha would be the case? It is highly unlikely the Colts win a superbowl if Brady was their QB, and likely the Patriots have at least 4 rings, if not more. Anyone really think the Giants beat the Patriots in the superbowl if Manning is the QB? As far as Warner vs. Brady, i give te edge to Brady, although the gap isnt that wide.

I'm a non-Patriot fan who thinks the jury is still out. It's funny how the guy in the Super Bowl is without question better than the other guy. Reminds me of 2007. Manning is probably the smartest quarterback to ever play the game from a football-knowledge standpoint. He reads defenses fast and is smart with the football. Personally, I think if you put Brady on Manning's teams you'd have at least one Super Bowl. You might have more. Not sure Manning would have more Super bowls if he was on the Patriots.I'm not saying that's the end-all of rationales. It's a hypothetical, so nothing is perfect. With one Super Bowl win and four MVPs versus three wins and an undefeated regular season (you can say that doesn't mean anything, but if that's the case then it's 3-1 Brady in what counts) I say the jury is undecided. Like someone said, they both have a few years left. The final numbers might be 4-4 in Super Bowl wins...or it could be 5-1. Either could make a big difference in this argument.

 

[ALF!]

it still baffles me that people use super bowl wins as a primary argument when comparing single players. i'm not saying rings shouldn't be considered at all, but winning the super bowl is the greatest TEAM accomplishment.

 

[Shirtless]

How about this year's teams? Replace Brady with Warner and Manning with Warner. I say Pats still win their division, and I'm honestly not sure if the Colts even make the playoffs.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

it still baffles me that people use super bowl wins as a primary argument when comparing single players. i'm not saying rings shouldn't be considered at all, but winning the super bowl is the greatest TEAM accomplishment.

I don't know if it should be the primary argument, but Super Bowls matter. Yes, it's a team accomplishment. Did the QB make his team better? Good enough to win it all? If you can't win your team the Super Bowl then maybe that should count against you to a degree.I understand that the QB doesn't play 11 positions (12 if You're the Vikings at the end of an important game). But you still have an effect on the team. Everyone talks about how great Marino was but never won a ring. Marino also insisted on fat, guaranteed contracts. Maybe that affected the talent level around him. Honestly, if you put Brady on those Colts teams, how many Super Bowls do you think they'd have? Unless you say zero, he does no worse than tie Manning there (could change tomorrow). Are you sure Manning would have produced three Super Bowls in New England? Yes, it matters. No, it's not the only thing. And, in my opinion, the jury is still out.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Are you sure Manning would have produced three Super Bowls in New England? Yes, it matters. No, it's not the only thing. And, in my opinion, the jury is still out.

I think 3 would have been the floor if Manning were playing in NE the last decade.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Are you sure Manning would have produced three Super Bowls in New England? Yes, it matters. No, it's not the only thing. And, in my opinion, the jury is still out.

I think 3 would have been the floor if Manning were playing in NE the last decade.

Are the Patriots that much better than the Colts? How did the Colts earn home-field advantage so frequently?

 

[destro]

Are you sure Manning would have produced three Super Bowls in New England? Yes, it matters. No, it's not the only thing. And, in my opinion, the jury is still out.

I think 3 would have been the floor if Manning were playing in NE the last decade.

Are the Patriots that much better than the Colts? How did the Colts earn home-field advantage so frequently?

Well, they had this Peyton Manning...

 

[Native]

Brady is closer to Troy Aikman or Terry Bradshaw than Peyton Manning.

 

[Carver]

How about this year's teams? Replace Brady with Warner and Manning with Warner. I say Pats still win their division, and I'm honestly not sure if the Colts even make the playoffs.

Brady was one year removed from a catastrophic knee injury. This logic is extremely flawed. Take a healthy (2007) Brady and put him on this seasons Colts team then reexamine this question. These posts comparing Tom Brady to Troy Aikman and terry bradshaw are RIDICULOUS. lolBrady is a natural leader. The kind of leader that Manning (for as good as he is) just isnt programmed to be. Maybe it's because of the path each had to take to get where they are... Brady just one of the guys, Manning the star of the show (pretty much a birth right). I know we live a "now" minded era, with internet and instant access to everything 24/7... blogs and news... and fluff pieces being jammed in our faces every time with click our mouse or flip on the television, but come'on!! Maybe you all have forgotten what TB was able to accomplish with the nickle and dimers he had to throw the ball to earlier last decade. Maybe some of you have forgotten Mannings ATROCIOUS play-off collapses as well. If Manning pulls it off tomorrow (and I think he will)... he will significantly overtake Brady as the clear #1 in my mind. BUT IF HE CHOKES (which is not too far fetched to imagine)... what then? The Brady-Manning debate is far from over at this point. When it's all said and done, who knows which will come out on top. All i know, is that im glad to have been alive in this era and watched them both play. It's been a great treat to us diehard FB fans.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Are you sure Manning would have produced three Super Bowls in New England? Yes, it matters. No, it's not the only thing. And, in my opinion, the jury is still out.

I think 3 would have been the floor if Manning were playing in NE the last decade.

Are the Patriots that much better than the Colts? How did the Colts earn home-field advantage so frequently?

Because they had Peyton Manning?Peyton has never played with a defense like the ones the Patriots had with those Super Bowl teams.It's amazing to me that people still think of the Super Bowl as being so heavily reliant on the quarterback, when so many of the Super Bowl teams this past decade have done it with great defense.

 

[Tornacl]

How about this year's teams? Replace Brady with Warner and Manning with Warner. I say Pats still win their division, and I'm honestly not sure if the Colts even make the playoffs.

Brady was one year removed from a catastrophic knee injury. This logic is extremely flawed. Take a healthy (2007) Brady and put him on this seasons Colts team then reexamine this question. These posts comparing Tom Brady to Troy Aikman and terry bradshaw are RIDICULOUS. lolBrady is a natural leader. The kind of leader that Manning (for as good as he is) just isnt programmed to be. Maybe it's because of the path each had to take to get where they are... Brady just one of the guys, Manning the star of the show (pretty much a birth right). I know we live a "now" minded era, with internet and instant access to everything 24/7... blogs and news... and fluff pieces being jammed in our faces every time with click our mouse or flip on the television, but come'on!! Maybe you all have forgotten what TB was able to accomplish with the nickle and dimers he had to throw the ball to earlier last decade. Maybe some of you have forgotten Mannings ATROCIOUS play-off collapses as well. If Manning pulls it off tomorrow (and I think he will)... he will significantly overtake Brady as the clear #1 in my mind. BUT IF HE CHOKES (which is not too far fetched to imagine)... what then? The Brady-Manning debate is far from over at this point. When it's all said and done, who knows which will come out on top. All i know, is that im glad to have been alive in this era and watched them both play. It's been a great treat to us diehard FB fans.

In my earlier post, I wasn't comparing Brady to Bradshaw or Aikman (as someone did after me). I was merely pointing out that both of them had won as many SBs as Brady, but neither are considered to be the best ever.Personally, I've always viewed SB victories as a bonus when evaluating QBs. There are far too many factors which come into play to blame the QB for their team not winning the SB. Whereas their stats are their stats. And looking at that, Brady is nowhere near the best. Brady didn't have great receivers before, but look at the numbers, with the exception of 2007, he's never thrown for more than 28 TDs - not exactly all world. Brady fans seem to believe that he's more like the Brady of 2007 than the Brady of 2006, but 2007 was actually the statistical outlier.I'm not really sure where you can make a claim that Brady is a much better leader than Manning. If you believe in leadership by example, then you'd have to give the nod to Manning. He works harder than any QB in the league, and he also gets his receivers to do the same. Since he's been in the league, he works with he receivers nearly every day of the off-season. Not the normal behavior for someone who's been GIVEN everything, as you seem to imply. In the leadership department, I've never been impressed with Brady. But that's just my opinion. As I stated earlier, I personally believe that Manning is way better than Brady, but needs to win at least one more SB to be considered the best ever.

 

[North]

Because I have watched them play and as a Packer's fan who has no interest in the AFC at all, Manning > Brady. By more than a just noticeable difference. BTW, Pro Bowls are individual accomplishments, flawed as they are. SBs are team accomplishments. Brady is Brasy, but I would have to say Manning may be the best QB to ever play the game.

Will you still be saying that tonight after Manning loses and throws his teammates under the bus?

 

[GoFishTN]

When Brady can win a Super Bowl without Vinatieri, we'll talk.

 

[menobrown]

I found this article by Rick Gosselin in today's Dallas Morning News interesting. He say's Manning is not currently top 5 overall and provides his reasons and top 10 list were he has Manning at #8 and Brady at #10. No Warner and the only other possible active player is Favre who he has sandwiched between Manning and Brady at #9.

Here is the link and list:

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dw...in.32b51df.html

1. Unital

2. Graham

3. Montana

4. Elway

5. Staubach

6. Starr

7. Bradshaw

8. Manning

9. Favre

10. Brady

 

[GoFishTN]

I found this article by Rick Gosselin in today's Dallas Morning News interesting. He say's Manning is not currently top 5 overall and provides his reasons and top 10 list were he has Manning at #8 and Brady at #10. No Warner and the only other possible active player is Favre who he has sandwiched between Manning and Brady at #9.

Here is the link and list:

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dw...in.32b51df.html

1. Unital

2. Graham

3. Montana

4. Elway

5. Staubach

6. Starr

7. Bradshaw

8. Manning

9. Favre

10. Brady

Did this get mixed up with the "Luckiest QB" list?