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Forgotten Men - RBs (1 Viewer)

gonzobill5

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Every year there are solid but unspectacular players who are usually getting up there in age, that get overlooked in fantasy drafts because owners are too fixated on looking for the next best thing. There are so many threads discussing the sleepers and other threads about guys who can jump up to the elite level. However there are none (that i've seen) on the guys that are a good bet to give you predictable results who can be had cheap. I'm talking about players that have a high probability of outperforming their ADP, but perhaps aren't generating a lot of buzz because they have a low probability of significantly outperforming their ADP. Here are the RBs on my list:

(numbers next to the names are the consensus ADP by position followed by last year's rank by position)

Willie Parker 28/40

If you land him as a third RB you'll be sitting pretty. I thought he was a huge value play in 07 after an unusually low TD total in 06. Of course he explodes onto the scene in 08 only to get banged up and never regain his form. It seems like no one is looking in his direction this year, but I think he can put together another year of low end RB1 production if he stays healthy.

Brandon Jacobs 13/12

In my opinion, he's the best RB in the NFC east at this point in his career, and that is saying a lot. With Ward gone to TB, the possibility that he could take on a bigger role is there, IF he can stay healthy. Fact is he probably won't play a full slate with his penchant for drawing contact, but he'll still be a PPG beast and score a 1+ TDs per game.

Larry Johnson 26/29

I think I'm on an island with this one. He's turning 30 and been injured two years in a row - so I'm not expecting a return to 05-06. My argument is simple - If LJ can make good with the new regime, he still has the talent to rack up a few monster games against Denver, Oakland or whatever weak defenses show up on his schedule. And, if those big games come early, he's got that name recognition that could make him ideal trade bait.

Thomas Jones 22/5

I had a post a few weeks ago about which RB was most likely to drop out of the top 20 - and an overwhelming number of people picked Jones. Now I'm not counting on him being top 5 again, but his OLine is still excellent, and that team will be relying on their running game to help out whichever young QB wins the job. I expect the Jets to have a very good defense this year, and there will be plenty of carries to go around. My only concern is the schedule - he racked up some monster games against Denver and St. Louis and might not face such forgiving defenses in 09.

Fred Jackson 45/41

As a Lynch owner last year, I watched a bunch of Buffalo games and I can honestly say that I'm not sure which back is better. Don't get me wrong, Lynch is great at what he does - he's tenacious, fights for extra yards, and has the speed to get it done. Jackson is a different player, but you can't deny that he's been every bit as productive. I think he's shiftier, and much better at getting to his top speed. If you are targetting any guys like Felix Jones, Sproles, Donald Brown, or other guys that are more likely to have an impact as the year wears on, I think Jackson is a valuable pick at his ADP.

Love to hear your thoughts/comments/additions

 
Earnest Graham is not getting much attention either. From what I have read, the Bucs OC was high on him when he came to town and I can see Graham working himself into a RBBC with Derrick Ward.

 
You have to add Addai here. I'm not in favor of him...but his situation could end up like DeAngelo/Stewart. You know the vet doesn't live up to the billing his first few years...the highly touted rookie will be the starter. Then oh wait...the motivated vet has a career year.

Think about it

 
Oh and nice thread Bill, great idea
Thanks. When I look back on the last two years with LJ, I don't really see a huge disappointment. I see a guy wasting away on a bad team, kind of like Moss on the Raiders. Maybe the new regime inspires him, and he runs hard like he used to.
 
You have to add Addai here. I'm not in favor of him...but his situation could end up like DeAngelo/Stewart. You know the vet doesn't live up to the billing his first few years...the highly touted rookie will be the starter. Then oh wait...the motivated vet has a career year.Think about it
I agree completely. I have some concerns about the Colts and the losses on the coaching staff. I was already wary of the OLine. That said, he was way over rated last year, and I always believe that the pendulum swings too far in the other direction.
 
LJ- w/ cassel to take off heat and most likely a "real" TE (ie primarily blocking-not vulturing as many GL scores as Gonzo) I LOVE him at RB2 in the third.

Benson- no competition, improved D and OL, oh and ryan fitzpatrick aint qbing anymore.

Addai- but boom/bust

 
Longer shot, but Fred Taylor might have a nice year or two left. Maybe something like Dillon when he arrived in NE.

RBBC for sure, with more options than most - but Maroney can't stay on the field and Morris just doesn't have the same type of talent. Faulk will continue to get his 3rd down looks. A couple of good games by FT, and maybe an injury to Maroney or Morris and Taylor could put up nice RB2 #s.

 
You have to add Addai here. I'm not in favor of him...but his situation could end up like DeAngelo/Stewart. You know the vet doesn't live up to the billing his first few years...the highly touted rookie will be the starter. Then oh wait...the motivated vet has a career year.Think about it
Parker/Mendenhall, McAllister/Bush, The reason I like Addai is improvements in health. Not just in himself not having to play hurt, but also in the offensive line and the rest of the offense (Peyton, receivers). Protection for the Colts this year should return to what it was at the start of '07.
 
Anonymous Internet User said:
You should add Jamal Lewis to this list
He'd be a nice addition - RB 25 last year (RB 6 in 2007) and he's the 34th running back taken in the average draft this year. Hard to get excited about 3.4 ypc, though. Lots of parallels between him last year and TJ this year as well.
 
Clinton Portis seems to be overlooked...the guy is a top 5 RB..

what's not to like.only 28 yrs old.

plays hurt, plays 16-game schedules almost every year ( hardly ever misses a game), plays one of the easiest schedules against the run this season, is almost always a lock for 1300+ yards, double digit TDs and is only one of a small handful of RB's who are not in a RBBC at this time, and probably never will be..yet people shy away from the guy opting instead to take a chance on players such as Forte, Moreno, D Williams and J. Stewart, etc... :excited:

 
Clinton Portis seems to be overlooked...the guy is a top 5 RB..what's not to like.only 28 yrs old.plays hurt, plays 16-game schedules almost every year ( hardly ever misses a game), plays one of the easiest schedules against the run this season, is almost always a lock for 1300+ yards, double digit TDs and is only one of a small handful of RB's who are not in a RBBC at this time, and probably never will be..yet people shy away from the guy opting instead to take a chance on players such as Forte, Moreno, D Williams and J. Stewart, etc... :confused:
I have given up on trying to figure out peoples perspective on Portis and just take him any time any where I can.
 
Clinton Portis seems to be overlooked...the guy is a top 5 RB..what's not to like.only 28 yrs old.plays hurt, plays 16-game schedules almost every year ( hardly ever misses a game), plays one of the easiest schedules against the run this season, is almost always a lock for 1300+ yards, double digit TDs and is only one of a small handful of RB's who are not in a RBBC at this time, and probably never will be..yet people shy away from the guy opting instead to take a chance on players such as Forte, Moreno, D Williams and J. Stewart, etc... :confused:
Portis runs so violent at times It almost makes me wince when I watch a skins game. As much as I think a healthy Portis is one of the games best Running backs It's just difficult to trust getting a full year of production out of him. I cant imagine what a fantasy monster Portis would be if all the stars aligned. I think talent and skill are equal to if not greater than LT.
 
Clinton Portis is the new Eddie George. Every year I miss out on him because I'm leary of his body wearing down...and every year I was/am incorrect. :goodposting: I'm sure I'm not the only one who makes that mistake.

There's a lot to like this year about Ryan Grant (#17), Kevin Smith (#18), and Fred Taylor (#40). It also looks like Marion Barber (#14) is falling a bit too far as well. The RBBC talk with Felix Jones and Tashard Choice only drops him a few extra spots and into the laps of owners who know he'll get the ball in the 4th and at the goal-line...the same as last season.

 
gianmarco said:
Ryan Grant is my pick here.
Yes and Pierre Thomas too. Both are rated too low. Ray Rice (#42 RB). Michael Bush too.
Truman said:
gianmarco said:
Ryan Grant is my pick here.
I like the fact that this guy will be going thru his first training camp this year. I also think an improved Packers team will have more running opportunities in the second half of games.
Quinn Johnson will help open holes even if he does vulture goalline carries.
 
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There's a lot to like this year about Ryan Grant (#17), Kevin Smith (#18), and Fred Taylor (#40). It also looks like Marion Barber (#14) is falling a bit too far as well. The RBBC talk with Felix Jones and Tashard Choice only drops him a few extra spots and into the laps of owners who know he'll get the ball in the 4th and at the goal-line...the same as last season.
:goodposting: Kevin Smith was RB #18/19 last year despite splitting time with Rudi Johnson for the first half of the year. He didn't really start to see double digit carries until he hit week 8 and despite that and the horrible O-line/QB, he still was QB #18.

 
Ray Rice

His value looks like it will continue to rise as we head to the pre season, McClain at FB and Willis a ?. Right now his floor is the #1B RB or #2 RB for the Ravens, his ADP seems like he is rated lower than this. His ceiling is the #1RB on a run heavy team who also has extra value in PPR as the best receiving RB on the Ravens.

 
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There's a lot to like this year about Ryan Grant (#17), Kevin Smith (#18), and Fred Taylor (#40). It also looks like Marion Barber (#14) is falling a bit too far as well. The RBBC talk with Felix Jones and Tashard Choice only drops him a few extra spots and into the laps of owners who know he'll get the ball in the 4th and at the goal-line...the same as last season.
:thumbdown: Kevin Smith was RB #18/19 last year despite splitting time with Rudi Johnson for the first half of the year. He didn't really start to see double digit carries until he hit week 8 and despite that and the horrible O-line/QB, he still was QB #18.
is anyone concerned about Mo Morris in Det taking any snaps away from Smith? I know he isn't a big name but I was surprised to read in the FBGs mag that the Lions were interested in drafting Moreno given Smith's performance last year. If that is true that doesn't give me a whole lot of confidence that he has the support of the staff behind him.Guys I am looking at

Ryan Grant

Larry Johnson

Julius Jones

If I gamble with Addai I am pretty sure to follow up with Brown soon after. Indy has a decent schedule this year playing the NFC west teams and you can secure the rb in that offense for a pretty cheap price right now. Hopefully one emerges over the other and they don't dilute each others numbers to a point where neither are worthwhile starts.

 
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is anyone concerned about Mo Morris in Det taking any snaps away from Smith?
Not really... Maurice Morris-RB- Lions May. 27 - 9:41 am et Lions beat writer Tom Kowalski expects Maurice Morris to be used as a pure backup to Kevin Smith.Kowalski, one of the best beats in the business, says Smith will "carry the bulk of the workload." Coach Jim Schwartz expressed similar, though more opaque, sentiments last week. Maurice Morris-RB - Lions May. 22 - 5:45 pm et Coach Jim Schwartz indicated that the Lions signed Maurice Morris to be a versatile backup for Kevin Smith, not necessarily a carry sharer."He's a multi-dimensional player," Schwartz said. "He does well in the passing game, he can also return kicks. He...has started in this league, so if we get in a situation where he needs to go in and start, we'd be very comfortable with that." Don't expect more than five carries a game for MoMo.
 
There's a reason these guys are all going late...they could turn out to be tremendous values but they're just as likely to end up where they're being drafted.

 
There's a reason these guys are all going late...they could turn out to be tremendous values but they're just as likely to end up where they're being drafted.
To clarify, I'm not looking for "sleepers" in the traditional sense. My intentions were to choose players who were highly unlikely to end up below their ADP. I don't really project big things for TJones again this year - I just can't see a scenario where he finishes worse than RB22. If I can draft him at a good value, possibly a RB3 I can take a shot on a guy I'm high on, like Felix Jones, a little before his ADP and not suffer from it.
 
Clinton Portis seems to be overlooked...the guy is a top 5 RB..what's not to like.only 28 yrs old.plays hurt, plays 16-game schedules almost every year ( hardly ever misses a game), plays one of the easiest schedules against the run this season, is almost always a lock for 1300+ yards, double digit TDs and is only one of a small handful of RB's who are not in a RBBC at this time, and probably never will be..yet people shy away from the guy opting instead to take a chance on players such as Forte, Moreno, D Williams and J. Stewart, etc... :confused:
I have given up on trying to figure out peoples perspective on Portis and just take him any time any where I can.
:lmao:He is so solid year in and year out. I don't think he'll ever be top 3, but he's a guy I can take at the end of the first round every year and get value--and not worry about a bust. That's so huge.
 
There's a reason these guys are all going late...they could turn out to be tremendous values but they're just as likely to end up where they're being drafted.
To clarify, I'm not looking for "sleepers" in the traditional sense. My intentions were to choose players who were highly unlikely to end up below their ADP. I don't really project big things for TJones again this year - I just can't see a scenario where he finishes worse than RB22. If I can draft him at a good value, possibly a RB3 I can take a shot on a guy I'm high on, like Felix Jones, a little before his ADP and not suffer from it.
I get what you're after, but when you start drafting guys that late not many of them will fall BELOW their ADP.
 
Clinton Portis seems to be overlooked...the guy is a top 5 RB..what's not to like.only 28 yrs old.plays hurt, plays 16-game schedules almost every year ( hardly ever misses a game), plays one of the easiest schedules against the run this season, is almost always a lock for 1300+ yards, double digit TDs and is only one of a small handful of RB's who are not in a RBBC at this time, and probably never will be..yet people shy away from the guy opting instead to take a chance on players such as Forte, Moreno, D Williams and J. Stewart, etc... :confused:
I like Portis, I really do.... but he's played a full slate of games in 4 out of 7 seasons. That is not the same as "hardly ever misses a game". It's just coincidence that his injuries that made him miss games were not in the last two seasons.
 
There's a reason these guys are all going late...they could turn out to be tremendous values but they're just as likely to end up where they're being drafted.
To clarify, I'm not looking for "sleepers" in the traditional sense. My intentions were to choose players who were highly unlikely to end up below their ADP. I don't really project big things for TJones again this year - I just can't see a scenario where he finishes worse than RB22. If I can draft him at a good value, possibly a RB3 I can take a shot on a guy I'm high on, like Felix Jones, a little before his ADP and not suffer from it.
I get what you're after, but when you start drafting guys that late not many of them will fall BELOW their ADP.
Intuitively, I'd say that half of them will, on average of course.Do you think higher picks are less likely to outperform their ADP while lower picks are more likely to outperform it? It's an interesting perspective that I've never really thought about it before, but it seems to me that if this were true, it would indicate that we don't really know what we're doing. I suppose that your thinking is that a 1st round pick "has nowhere to go but down" while a last round pick "has nowhere to go but up." I think that is a case of overgeneralizing the extreme cases. I've listed guys ranked 13th at their position or lower - there is plenty of room to go up. Also, the lowest ADP is 45, and there is plenty of room to go down from there. Unless of course you mean that when you draft guys well below their ADP they are unlikely to fall below THAT. I'll make no objections to that argument.
 
He's about as boring as they come, but I do think Julius Jones belongs on this list.

As for Portis, it's true that he's generally underrated, but he has a lot of mileage and if you look at how mediocre he was in the second half of the season last year (and especially in the last 5 games), you have to be at least a little concerned.

 
An absolute invisible sleeper this year IMO is TJ Duckett. The RB situation in Seattle is far from settled and at the very least, Duckett will be the short yardage goal line back. And if Julius Jones underwhelms, Duckett might be even more involved in the Seahawks rushing attack for an OC who historically divides his playcalling 50/50. Not to mention Duckett has a history with said OC and HC. To me, he can have a season like an Earnest Graham did (without the pass catching) in 2007.

 
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I was going through possible cuts this year and I ran across Brandon jackson from GB. I noticed that he is only 24. All I ever heard was how Ryan Grant lacked this and that last year. Going into his 3rd year in the league, does he have a shot of taking over the starting role and producing starter #s? Any GB homers?

 
I was going through possible cuts this year and I ran across Brandon jackson from GB. I noticed that he is only 24. All I ever heard was how Ryan Grant lacked this and that last year. Going into his 3rd year in the league, does he have a shot of taking over the starting role and producing starter #s? Any GB homers?
Grant is the starter, but if he struggles or gets injured it wouldn't be surprising to see Jackson step in and play well.
 

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