FOX Sports is reporting Pats taped practice (1 Viewer)

[Mik789fl]

I'm not passing judgement,just putting this article out since we do need a little more talk heading into Sunday,

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7749384?MSNHPHMA

I'm not great with links,if it doesn't work it's on the foxsports web site

 

[Green and Gold]

They even used a Honda camcorder to do the taping with.

 

[MrPhoenix]

If this is true.....

 

[nerangers]

Actually, the Boston Herald reported two stories about the Pat vs Rams Super Bowl

More Patriot Super Bowl Conspiracy Theories...

The Boston Herald is reporting that new allegations have emerged about a Patriots employee taping the Rams’ final walkthrough before Super Bowl XXXVI. Of course this all comes from an un-named source!

After his state of the NFL press conference yesterday, Goodell was asked if the league’s investigation into the Patriots included allegations that they recorded the Rams walkthrough in 2002. “I’m not aware of that,” Goodell said.

The source informed the Herald that on Feb. 2, 2002, one day before the Patriots’ Super Bowl game against heavily favored St. Louis in New Orleans, the Patriots visited the Superdome for their final walkthrough. After completing the walkthrough, they had their team picture taken and the Rams then took the field. A member of the team’s video staff stayed behind after attending the team’s walkthrough and filmed St. Louis’ walkthrough. At no point was he asked to identify himself or produce a press pass. The cameraman then rode the media shuttle back to the hotel with news photographers when the Rams walkthrough was completed.

Asked yesterday if he believed the Pats used similar films to achieve their three Super Bowl victories, Goodell was adamant. “No, there was no indication that it benefited them in any of the Super Bowl victories.”

Another report from the Boston Herald:

Looks like the shoe could be on the other foot!

Pool report from before Super Bowl XXXVI (courtesy the NY Times archives):

Halfway through practice, Patriots’ linebackers coach Pepper Johnson noticed something in a third-floor window of a house next to the field.

Club and league officials said a telescope was clearly visible in the window, according to a pool report, and that 15 minutes later, a person appeared at the window, and then vanished.

Officials scanned the window with binoculars, but the person never returned.

 

[Thumper]

Who cares?

 

[MaddHatter]

Who cares?

I guess the people that abide by league policy?

 

[Burning Sensation]

One thing keeps popping into my head when i think about the Patriots 2007-2008 season, and thats *.

 

[GRIDIRON ASSASSIN]

....and Al Gore beat George W. Bush.

NEXT!

 

[{Syrus}]

Glad to see Patriots catching all sorts of heat for their cheating ways, and Roger Goodell for his cover-up. When Congress gets involved, heads will roll.

 

[BusterTBronco]

Um, anyone who cares about the integrity of the game? This is a serious allegation.

 

[scott72]

Glad to see Patriots catching all sorts of heat for their cheating ways, and Roger Goodell for his cover-up. When Congress gets involved, heads will roll.

Party time!

 

[Bill]

Glad to see Patriots catching all sorts of heat for their cheating ways, and Roger Goodell for his cover-up. When Congress gets involved, heads will roll.

lol-your dreaming

 

[munchkin]

One thing keeps popping into my head when i think about the Patriots 2007-2008 season, and thats *.

Me too and that's because lazy, thoughtless people keep bringing it up. Makes me realize how poorly some school systems teach problem solving skill.1. Class, a team was caught filming the first half of the first game of the year. Those films were confiscated and never used by the team. The team that was caught filming went on to win 18 straight games. How did they do this? a) They were a well coached team with players driven to excellence. b) The act of filming one team for a half and not seeing that film gave them magical powers.For some, sadly, the obvious answer is b.

 

[by_the_sea_wannabe]

....and Al Gore beat George W. Bush.NEXT!

not by the rules of the game JIM

 

[pinda]

One thing keeps popping into my head when i think about the Patriots 2007-2008 season, and thats *.

Me too and that's because lazy, thoughtless people keep bringing it up. Makes me realize how poorly some school systems teach problem solving skill.1. Class, a team was caught filming the first half of the first game of the year. Those films were confiscated and never used by the team. The team that was caught filming went on to win 18 straight games. How did they do this? a) They were a well coached team with players driven to excellence. b) The act of filming one team for a half and not seeing that film gave them magical powers.For some, sadly, the obvious answer is b.

Although I agree with you in the most part, I think you are being a bit naive to think that they turned over all the tapes and notes. And if they did, they still learned some important tendencies for coaches/coordinators in certain situations that they can always use. I'm not a Pats fan or hater for that matter, I don't think they deserve the * as they have proven to be a great, great team. But to say that cause they turned over everything they didn't gain anything even this year, that's a little absurd.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

The Boston Herald is reporting that new allegations have emerged about a Patriots employee taping the Rams’ final walkthrough before Super Bowl XXXVI.Club and league officials said a telescope was clearly visible in the window, according to a pool report, and that 15 minutes later, a person appeared at the window, and then vanished.Officials scanned the window with binoculars, but the person never returned.

Yeah, those are completely the same.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

....and Al Gore beat George W. Bush.

And no he didn't. (THANK GOD)

 

[ConstruxBoy]

One thing keeps popping into my head when i think about the Patriots 2007-2008 season, and thats *.

Me too and that's because lazy, thoughtless people keep bringing it up. Makes me realize how poorly some school systems teach problem solving skill.1. Class, a team was caught filming the first half of the first game of the year. Those films were confiscated and never used by the team. The team that was caught filming went on to win 18 straight games. How did they do this? a) They were a well coached team with players driven to excellence. b) The act of filming one team for a half and not seeing that film gave them magical powers.For some, sadly, the obvious answer is b.

Although I agree with you in the most part, I think you are being a bit naive to think that they turned over all the tapes and notes. And if they did, they still learned some important tendencies for coaches/coordinators in certain situations that they can always use. I'm not a Pats fan or hater for that matter, I don't think they deserve the * as they have proven to be a great, great team. But to say that cause they turned over everything they didn't gain anything even this year, that's a little absurd.

It's pretty well agreed that they have been taping for several years, with the latest allegation going back to the beginning of their run. A team's defensive coordinator doesn't completely change his signals every year. So if they got a good read on some defensive coordinators the last couple of years from tapes, then they could certainly still use that info this season.

 

[SR388]

MODS please merge all these threads. There are 4 of them. (one in the FFA)

 

[Workhorse]

"The suggestion that the New England Patriots recorded the St. Louis Rams' walkthrough on the day before Super Bowl XXXVI is absolutely false. Any suggestion to the contrary is untrue," Patriots spokesman Stacey James told the AP.

The Pats are essentially saying: "Put up or shut up".

 

[Cowtippers]

....and Al Gore beat George W. Bush.

And no he didn't. (THANK GOD)

I'll thank God for a lot, but that wasn't one of His better days............He should have worked on the 7th and "rested' on election day...............

 

[Eric]

....and Al Gore beat George W. Bush.

And no he didn't. (THANK GOD)

Yes, we're much better off having had Bush for eight years. :X

 

[{Syrus}]

Somewhere Paul Taglibue is laughing at this putz Goodell.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

....and Al Gore beat George W. Bush.

And no he didn't. (THANK GOD)

Yes, we're much better off having had Bush for eight years.

Would you have rathered Gore for 4 years? (and that's it cause there's no way he would have ever been re-elected)OK, I'm done. Now back to fantasy football

 

[munchkin]

One thing keeps popping into my head when i think about the Patriots 2007-2008 season, and thats *.

Me too and that's because lazy, thoughtless people keep bringing it up. Makes me realize how poorly some school systems teach problem solving skill.1. Class, a team was caught filming the first half of the first game of the year. Those films were confiscated and never used by the team. The team that was caught filming went on to win 18 straight games. How did they do this? a) They were a well coached team with players driven to excellence. b) The act of filming one team for a half and not seeing that film gave them magical powers.For some, sadly, the obvious answer is b.

Although I agree with you in the most part, I think you are being a bit naive to think that they turned over all the tapes and notes. And if they did, they still learned some important tendencies for coaches/coordinators in certain situations that they can always use. I'm not a Pats fan or hater for that matter, I don't think they deserve the * as they have proven to be a great, great team. But to say that cause they turned over everything they didn't gain anything even this year, that's a little absurd.

It's pretty well agreed that they have been taping for several years, with the latest allegation going back to the beginning of their run. A team's defensive coordinator doesn't completely change his signals every year. So if they got a good read on some defensive coordinators the last couple of years from tapes, then they could certainly still use that info this season.

If they don't change their signals it is because they either believe that you make plays on the field or you don't or the fact that another team understands your tendencies is widely understood. If you have been following any of the things Jimmy Johnson has been saying then you realize that the Pats are not much different than many other teams in the league. Also Johnson stated that he found much of the information he garnered doing similar things to be not that useful. Maybe some would say he and his staff were incompetent, but I don't think that was the case given the accomplishments of the Cowboys during his tenure. This is big business boys and girls. If you think this is about being fair then you are not paying attention.

 

[bostonfred]

....and Al Gore beat George W. Bush.

And no he didn't. (THANK GOD)

Yes, we're much better off having had Bush for eight years.

Would you have rathered Gore for 4 years? (and that's it cause there's no way he would have ever been re-elected)OK, I'm done. Now back to fantasy football

I would be ecstatic to vote for Gore in the 2008 election, and I fully believe that the world would be better off had Gore been at the helm from 2000-2008 than Bush. And there are more people who agree with me than who agree with you on this topic.

 

[chris1969]

....and Al Gore beat George W. Bush.

And no he didn't. (THANK GOD)

Yes, we're much better off having had Bush for eight years.

Would you have rathered Gore for 4 years? (and that's it cause there's no way he would have ever been re-elected)OK, I'm done. Now back to fantasy football

I would be ecstatic to vote for Gore in the 2008 election, and I fully believe that the world would be better off had Gore been at the helm from 2000-2008 than Bush. And there are more people who agree with me than who agree with you on this topic.

I'm glad it didn't happen but I'm biased. I don't know how to speak Farsi.

 

[Jous]

....and Al Gore beat George W. Bush.

And no he didn't. (THANK GOD)

Yes, we're much better off having had Bush for eight years. :X

Would you have rathered Gore for 4 years? (and that's it cause there's no way he would have ever been re-elected)OK, I'm done. Now back to fantasy football

I would be ecstatic to vote for Gore in the 2008 election, and I fully believe that the world would be better off had Gore been at the helm from 2000-2008 than Bush. And there are more people who agree with me than who agree with you on this topic.

No way, I don't think Gore would have been tough enough against terrorism, and the odds of us being attacked again would've been much higher. Bush may sometimes have gone a little overboard with his concentration in the war, but that's better than not being aggressive enough as I think Gore would've been like.But anyway, back to football, I'm looking forward to seeing what becomes of all of this. The integrity of the game is at question, so this is HUGE deal, and if you're a Patriots fan, please suck it up and quit denying that this is stupid etc, it is a big deal whether you want to admit it or not. A SuperBowl or two could legitimately receive an asterisk or even be awarded to the other team.

 

[krsone21]

....and Al Gore beat George W. Bush.

And no he didn't. (THANK GOD)

Yes, we're much better off having had Bush for eight years. :X

Would you have rathered Gore for 4 years? (and that's it cause there's no way he would have ever been re-elected)OK, I'm done. Now back to fantasy football

I would be ecstatic to vote for Gore in the 2008 election, and I fully believe that the world would be better off had Gore been at the helm from 2000-2008 than Bush. And there are more people who agree with me than who agree with you on this topic.

I don't agree the world would have been far worse off with Gore. :X

 

[bostonfred]

It's hard to say that the world was better off under Bush than with another president, let alone someone who presided over the strong economy of the 90s and was instrumental in the early success of the internet economy. Maybe Gore wouldn't have gone after Iraq, but we know now that they didn't have WMD. It's hard to believe any president wouldn't have gone after bin Laden, and that means going into Afghanistan and hammering on AQ wherever they were. It's also hard to believe that any president could screw up the world support we had after 9/11 the way Bush did by declaring that world powers were either with us or against us, demanding they lay their cards on the table, refusing to wait for weapons inspections, referring to three countries as part of an axis of evil but following it up by only actually going to war with one of them, and what appears to be the least dangerous of the three, at that. Under Gore, we'd have better environment policy, perhaps costing a significant amount of money, but not costing near as much as the war in Iraq, and we'd have a growing energy conservation industry to stimulate the economy. Gore also favored middle class tax cuts and made them a key component of his 2000 platform. In fact, if you're ever interested in seeing what the world would have been like with Gore, look back at his platform and see how many of the things Bush did that worked out well that Gore would also have done, and then look back at how many mistakes Bush made that Gore disagreed with at the time. It's pretty eye opening.

 

[AB in DC]

Although I agree with you in the most part, I think you are being a bit naive to think that they turned over all the tapes and notes.

I see comments like this all the time, and I can't stop saying how absurd this is.If it ever gets out that BB lied to Goddell, his career is over. Period. And everything BB worked for goes down the drain. Does anyone honestly believe that BB would take that kind of risk?

 

[CrossEyed]

Although I agree with you in the most part, I think you are being a bit naive to think that they turned over all the tapes and notes.

I see comments like this all the time, and I can't stop saying how absurd this is.If it ever gets out that BB lied to Goddell, his career is over. Period. And everything BB worked for goes down the drain. Does anyone honestly believe that BB would take that kind of risk?

Greed does strange things to some people.

 

[benbadman]

Much like a cheating spouse or addict/abuser, I have a hard time believing the Patriots only illegally taped stuff once. I would also like to see a more thorough investigation of it, a Mitchell report if you will.

I don't agree the world would have been far worse off with Gore.

On the Al Gore sidenote, there's an interesting article/rant I've read before that some people may find of use: there is some slight language and such .. so NSFWhttp://www.ruthlessreviews.com/reviews.cfm...ent_douche.html

(mild language, NSFW!!!)

"It should be noted that Gore is himself a corporate fat cat. He is currently a senior advisor at Google (and apparently owns a large chunk of its stock), is on the board of directors at Apple and is co-founder of an investment company called Generation Investment Management. The investment company has holdings in the Johnson & Johnson health insurer AFLAC and General Electric. And take a peek at the corporate sponsorship list for the Live Earth concerts if you want to see who Al hangs with in the corporate world.

So Gore may have been talking about the environment for years, but while he was VP, he kept his mouth shut. Why didn’t he use his position to get out in front on the issue? Isn’t it a bit hypocritical now to chide the political class for not being able to get the message out about climate change when he failed so miserably in doing so? No, you see, it wasn’t Al’s fault; it was the system. But hey, now he’s authored a new book to explain that, too. His new bestseller carries a title as mighty as it is derivative of Thomas Paine’s Age of Reason; it’s called The Assault on Reason.

"

 

[bostonfred]

"It should be noted that Gore is himself a corporate fat cat. He is currently a senior advisor at Google (and apparently owns a large chunk of its stock), is on the board of directors at Apple and is co-founder of an investment company called Generation Investment Management. The investment company has holdings in the Johnson & Johnson health insurer AFLAC and General Electric. And take a peek at the corporate sponsorship list for the Live Earth concerts if you want to see who Al hangs with in the corporate world. So Gore may have been talking about the environment for years, but while he was VP, he kept his mouth shut. Why didn’t he use his position to get out in front on the issue? Isn’t it a bit hypocritical now to chide the political class for not being able to get the message out about climate change when he failed so miserably in doing so? No, you see, it wasn’t Al’s fault; it was the system. But hey, now he’s authored a new book to explain that, too. His new bestseller carries a title as mighty as it is derivative of Thomas Paine’s Age of Reason; it’s called The Assault on Reason. "

He won a Nobel Prize for his work while "failing so miserably to get the message out about climate change". I don't see how his big company experience is bad for America. But other than that, good post.

 

[benbadman]

"It should be noted that Gore is himself a corporate fat cat. He is currently a senior advisor at Google (and apparently owns a large chunk of its stock), is on the board of directors at Apple and is co-founder of an investment company called Generation Investment Management. The investment company has holdings in the Johnson & Johnson health insurer AFLAC and General Electric. And take a peek at the corporate sponsorship list for the Live Earth concerts if you want to see who Al hangs with in the corporate world.

So Gore may have been talking about the environment for years, but while he was VP, he kept his mouth shut. Why didn’t he use his position to get out in front on the issue? Isn’t it a bit hypocritical now to chide the political class for not being able to get the message out about climate change when he failed so miserably in doing so? No, you see, it wasn’t Al’s fault; it was the system. But hey, now he’s authored a new book to explain that, too. His new bestseller carries a title as mighty as it is derivative of Thomas Paine’s Age of Reason; it’s called The Assault on Reason. "

He won a Nobel Prize for his work while "failing so miserably to get the message out about climate change". I don't see how his big company experience is bad for America. But other than that, good post.

Read the whole article. I just linked 2 paragraphs of it that had no profanity it. While you're at it, next time you're at Borders/Barnes&Noble, look for this handy tome: "how to lie with statistics". Must-read.http://www.amazon.com/How-Lie-Statistics-D...f/dp/0393310728

 

[Tau837]

Can you guys take this Bush/Gore talk to the FFA? TIA.

 

[chris1969]

I just heard that the NFL has ruled on this and the Pat's are innocent this time. The entire video showed nothing but the rear-ends of the Ram's cheerleaders.

 

[ginman999]

And the * should go next to the titles and it should read. "they won with the help of cheating and these wins should not be looked at as a great achievement but as a shameful part of NFL history"

 

[Reaper]

Although I agree with you in the most part, I think you are being a bit naive to think that they turned over all the tapes and notes.

I see comments like this all the time, and I can't stop saying how absurd this is.If it ever gets out that BB lied to Goddell, his career is over. Period. And everything BB worked for goes down the drain. Does anyone honestly believe that BB would take that kind of risk?

Why would he take the risk when the NFL Specifically said, "ok, IF you were doing it, we're cracking down on it NOW so, STOP"And what if it Goodel ever saw the REALLY bad tapes?Hey, I wouldn't cheat but, If I did, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't keep the evidence around and I'm damn sure I wouldn't hand it over when I can just hand over any old 6 tapes I have laying around.The door is wide open to assume there were more tapes - What happened to all those other teams that has real valid suspicions, I'm pretty confident there "were" tapes of those teams....It would be pretty crazy if THIS was the way the legal system worked on everything in this country.....You stole some diamonds???? Well, hand em over and I'll look at em... Ehh this is just a Zurconion, your free to go, just pay the cashier $100.00.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

I have no idea if there are more tapes, or how long the Pats did this.

But they did it after Goodell specifically told them not to, and got caught.

They've got no one to blame but themselves for all these stories and all the doubts. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

 

[Traders2001]

Who cares?

I guess the people that abide by league policy?

No one does .

 

[Traders2001]

Their only trying to put a asterix besides the Pats perfect season , thats it.

I mean cmon whats this BS right before the game .

 

[Traders2001]

....and Al Gore beat George W. Bush.

And no he didn't. (THANK GOD)

Yes, we're much better off having had Bush for eight years.

Would you have rathered Gore for 4 years? (and that's it cause there's no way he would have ever been re-elected)OK, I'm done. Now back to fantasy football

I would be ecstatic to vote for Gore in the 2008 election, and I fully believe that the world would be better off had Gore been at the helm from 2000-2008 than Bush. And there are more people who agree with me than who agree with you on this topic.

No way, I don't think Gore would have been tough enough against terrorism, and the odds of us being attacked again would've been much higher. Bush may sometimes have gone a little overboard with his concentration in the war, but that's better than not being aggressive enough as I think Gore would've been like.But anyway, back to football, I'm looking forward to seeing what becomes of all of this. The integrity of the game is at question, so this is HUGE deal, and if you're a Patriots fan, please suck it up and quit denying that this is stupid etc, it is a big deal whether you want to admit it or not. A SuperBowl or two could legitimately receive an asterisk or even be awarded to the other team.

Gore would have been tough against the world biggest terrorist ( HE WOULD HAVE BATEN HIM IN THE ELECTIONS ) because dont kid yourself Bush is the bloodiest terrorist in the history of the world ( How many were killed in his 8 years , that adding the Americans and the rest for no fk reasons except the control of the oil )

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Although I agree with you in the most part, I think you are being a bit naive to think that they turned over all the tapes and notes.

I see comments like this all the time, and I can't stop saying how absurd this is.If it ever gets out that BB lied to Goddell, his career is over. Period. And everything BB worked for goes down the drain. Does anyone honestly believe that BB would take that kind of risk?

You might find it surprising coming from a rabid Patriots fan, but I agree with this, including the career over, everything down the drain, etc., at least as it applies to the clandestine taping of the Rams pre-superbowl walkthrough.Are we to believe that Pepper Johnson spies a telescope watching the Patriots walkthrough and it temporarily halts the walkthrough, and yet an employee of the Patriots is allowed to "stay behind" after a press conference and freely videotape the Rams walkthrough with no one questioning him? Does that not strike anyone as dubious at best?If the Rams walkthrough taping ever in fact happened, I would never be able to trust an employee from the video department to "keep his mouth shut" despite confidentiality agreements, etc. The only way this could happen in my mind is if the league was operated by organized crime, in which case anybody who knew about such activity would be "rubbed out". Since Walsh is alive, I conclude that he's got nothin. That belief is further re-enforced by the fact that this story is being brought up again after months of sitting on the shelf at superbowl time, and by the fact that the key guy talking smack is Arlen Spector, a career laughingstock politician who is widely known to be in Comcast's back pocket. I was happy to hear the Patriots issue a vehement denial of this allegation, and I wonder aloud to what extent the Patriots have recourse to pursue slander/libel recourse against some of the involved parties (Boston Herald, Matt Walsh, Arlen Spector).

 

[Sinn Fein]

Although I agree with you in the most part, I think you are being a bit naive to think that they turned over all the tapes and notes.

I see comments like this all the time, and I can't stop saying how absurd this is.If it ever gets out that BB lied to Goddell, his career is over. Period.

And everything BB worked for goes down the drain.

Does anyone honestly believe that BB would take that kind of risk?

You might find it surprising coming from a rabid Patriots fan, but I agree with this, including the career over, everything down the drain, etc., at least as it applies to the clandestine taping of the Rams pre-superbowl walkthrough.Are we to believe that Pepper Johnson spies a telescope watching the Patriots walkthrough and it temporarily halts the walkthrough, and yet an employee of the Patriots is allowed to "stay behind" after a press conference and freely videotape the Rams walkthrough with no one questioning him? Does that not strike anyone as dubious at best?

If the Rams walkthrough taping ever in fact happened, I would never be able to trust an employee from the video department to "keep his mouth shut" despite confidentiality agreements, etc. The only way this could happen in my mind is if the league was operated by organized crime, in which case anybody who knew about such activity would be "rubbed out". Since Walsh is alive, I conclude that he's got nothin. That belief is further re-enforced by the fact that this story is being brought up again after months of sitting on the shelf at superbowl time, and by the fact that the key guy talking smack is Arlen Spector, a career laughingstock politician who is widely known to be in Comcast's back pocket. I was happy to hear the Patriots issue a vehement denial of this allegation, and I wonder aloud to what extent the Patriots have recourse to pursue slander/libel recourse against some of the involved parties (Boston Herald, Matt Walsh, Arlen Spector).

Probably none . . . truth is an absolute defense in defamation cases.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Although I agree with you in the most part, I think you are being a bit naive to think that they turned over all the tapes and notes.

I see comments like this all the time, and I can't stop saying how absurd this is.If it ever gets out that BB lied to Goddell, his career is over. Period. And everything BB worked for goes down the drain. Does anyone honestly believe that BB would take that kind of risk?

LOL, of course. Does anyone really believe that Pete Rose would risk betting on baseball, Michael Jordan betting on golf or Wayne Gretzky betting on sports in general? Those are 3 of the greatest players in the history of their sport. They are ultra-competitive. They did everything they could to win and turned to betting when their careers were over (playing careers, at least) to keep up the "high" of competing . Not to mention the two time NASCAR Cup winner Jimmie Johnson who got caught cheating last season. Bill Belichick is a very talented, ultra competitive coach. If you don't think he's doing everything he possibly can to win, including stepping over some pretty clear lines, then I would suggest you are naive.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

One thing keeps popping into my head when i think about the Patriots 2007-2008 season, and thats *.

Me too and that's because lazy, thoughtless people keep bringing it up. Makes me realize how poorly some school systems teach problem solving skill.1. Class, a team was caught filming the first half of the first game of the year. Those films were confiscated and never used by the team. The team that was caught filming went on to win 18 straight games. How did they do this? a) They were a well coached team with players driven to excellence. b) The act of filming one team for a half and not seeing that film gave them magical powers.For some, sadly, the obvious answer is b.

They were not caught the first time they cheated. They had a long history of doing so and were eventually caught because the dishonest are not trustworthy amongst themselves. Upon being caught they were forced to disgorge their tape from that incident. No one really cares because you don't need inside info to beat the jets. What they were not forced to disgorge, as far as we know yet, was their library of tapes from their years of cheating and their extensive dossiers on every coach and coordinator in the league.The obvious answer here is "a" with an addendum. They are a well coached team with superb players who have an unfair advantage gained through years of systematic cheating.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Is anyone really dumb enough to believe Goodell's explanation that there was no videotape about Super Bowl XXXVI, so that exonerates the Patriots? Yeah, I am sure they would keep a tape that proved they cheated around for years (IF it existed). It is not like the Rams are the same team, or that that videotape would do them any good anymore. IF they did do it, it helped them in the Super Bowl, and it could have been destroyed immediately after the game.

Please note that I am not suggesting that it is true or not true, just saying that this line of thinking by Goodell is stupid.

 

[{Syrus}]

Bill Billicheck must have spent his Mondays and Tuesdays cheating reviewing videotaped signals of the upcoming team, err "gameplanning" I mean Some genius--he should be banned for life.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

One thing keeps popping into my head when i think about the Patriots 2007-2008 season, and thats *.

Me too and that's because lazy, thoughtless people keep bringing it up. Makes me realize how poorly some school systems teach problem solving skill.1. Class, a team was caught filming the first half of the first game of the year. Those films were confiscated and never used by the team. The team that was caught filming went on to win 18 straight games. How did they do this?

a) They were a well coached team with players driven to excellence.

b) The act of filming one team for a half and not seeing that film gave them magical powers.

For some, sadly, the obvious answer is b.

They were not caught the first time they cheated. They had a long history of doing so and were eventually caught because the dishonest are not trustworthy amongst themselves. Upon being caught they were forced to disgorge their tape from that incident. No one really cares because you don't need inside info to beat the jets. What they were not forced to disgorge, as far as we know yet, was their library of tapes from their years of cheating and their extensive dossiers on every coach and coordinator in the league.The obvious answer here is "a" with an addendum. They are a well coached team with superb players who have an unfair advantage gained through years of systematic cheating.

Interesting theory.