What's new
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

Fred Jackson (1 Viewer)

Righetti

Footballguy
I have honestly only seen this guy play a handful of times but watching him tonight i really wonder what all the hype is about.

how exactly is Fred Jackson better than Lynch? Granted I see the Bills play twice a year and Lynch seems to rips the Jets up each time but I've been reading in the SharkTank that Jackson is just better. I don't know what he would be better at. He's got a third down RB skill set if anything. He is NOT a starting NFL running back by any stretch. I have to think that today was a bad day for him but he didn't look fast, didn't break tackles, didn't make people miss and didn't show me any kind of second or third gear and never moved the pile.

I don't really know but at some point why did they keep going to him, he had a YPC of about 2.8 and most of his 31 yards came on that one misdirection play late in the game..

 
Yeah this was supposed be his big moment, his coming out party tonight, lot of hype, 9th ranked back this week by footballguys and ........he fizzled.

He was the 5th leading rusher in tonight's game. He was even beat out by his own quarterback!

What happened??

 
Jesh bro....Granted i dont know much on him but i liked what i saw of him the few times i saw him but

his team did him no favors by extending drives. But as you mentioned he had a bad game. We could pick a top 10 projected rb each week all year

and go back and say after the fact why he had a horrible game. It happens.

But as to his skillset, im sure some others can answer that better than me.

 
I think his skill set is a lot like Forte's. Above average at everything, great at nothing. He breaks tackles and runs with more power then Forte though.

 
It's called FF dorks getting too excited about finding a starting RB on their roster. Then, they get on here and massage each other to the point of actually believing it.

 
You need to watch more than 1 game to make this judgment. Lynch looked better tonight than he has all season. Jackson didn't do much, but he had little room to run as well b/c the Jets have a very good defense and the Bills offensive line is one of the worst 2 or 3 in the league right now.

check out their stats for this year. it's been pretty apparent all year long that Jackson was outplaying Lynch. that doesn't mean he's better, but he is absolutely a quality starting RB and not just a change of pace/3rd down back.

 
You need to watch more than 1 game to make this judgment. Lynch looked better tonight than he has all season. Jackson didn't do much, but he had little room to run as well b/c the Jets have a very good defense and the Bills offensive line is one of the worst 2 or 3 in the league right now.check out their stats for this year. it's been pretty apparent all year long that Jackson was outplaying Lynch. that doesn't mean he's better, but he is absolutely a quality starting RB and not just a change of pace/3rd down back.
Looking at the year-long stats isn't a fair comparison, because Buffalo really unraveled as the season progressed. Jackson got the benefit of playing behind the decent Bills O-line over the first three weeks before it all hit the fan.To wit: after tonight, Lynch is averaging 3.5 yards per carry. Since week 3, Jackson is averaging... 3.6 yards per carry. Granted, I don't watch as much of the Bills as you do, but when I've seen them, both backs have seemed pretty interchangeable.
 
You need to watch more than 1 game to make this judgment. Lynch looked better tonight than he has all season. Jackson didn't do much, but he had little room to run as well b/c the Jets have a very good defense and the Bills offensive line is one of the worst 2 or 3 in the league right now.check out their stats for this year. it's been pretty apparent all year long that Jackson was outplaying Lynch. that doesn't mean he's better, but he is absolutely a quality starting RB and not just a change of pace/3rd down back.
Obviously I haven't watched him play a ton which is how I prefaced my original post but I have read on the boards in countless Lynch threads from various people that Jackson is the superior back. Maybe he's the better back in games that aren't nationally televised but watching yesterday there was only one run (late in the game on a misdirection) where he showed me anything and even on that play he had no second gear to break it for a really long run. Lynch on the other hand ran strong and broke tackles and I saw him pick up a few blitzes.
 
You need to watch more than 1 game to make this judgment. Lynch looked better tonight than he has all season. Jackson didn't do much, but he had little room to run as well b/c the Jets have a very good defense and the Bills offensive line is one of the worst 2 or 3 in the league right now.check out their stats for this year. it's been pretty apparent all year long that Jackson was outplaying Lynch. that doesn't mean he's better, but he is absolutely a quality starting RB and not just a change of pace/3rd down back.
Obviously I haven't watched him play a ton which is how I prefaced my original post but I have read on the boards in countless Lynch threads from various people that Jackson is the superior back. Maybe he's the better back in games that aren't nationally televised but watching yesterday there was only one run (late in the game on a misdirection) where he showed me anything and even on that play he had no second gear to break it for a really long run. Lynch on the other hand ran strong and broke tackles and I saw him pick up a few blitzes.
Personally, I never thought that Jackson was better than Lynch but I didn't think that Lynch was better than Jackson. They are pretty even in my eyes which is why I avoided Lynch in all formats.
 
[Personally, I never thought that Jackson was better than Lynch but I didn't think that Lynch was better than Jackson. They are pretty even in my eyes which is why I avoided Lynch in all formats.
that seems to be the consensus in this thread.. Lynch looked better this week, Fred Jackson looked better last week..
 
[Personally, I never thought that Jackson was better than Lynch but I didn't think that Lynch was better than Jackson. They are pretty even in my eyes which is why I avoided Lynch in all formats.
that seems to be the consensus in this thread.. Lynch looked better this week, Fred Jackson looked better last week..
which equals a pretty unstartable RB situation.
 
Jackson got the benefit of playing behind the decent Bills O-line over the first three weeks before it all hit the fan.
That's very prudent. It was ESPECIALLY true in week one. That was the best I've seen a Bills' O-Line play in YEARS. Why did I get my hopes up?
 
check out their stats for this year. it's been pretty apparent all year long that Jackson was outplaying Lynch. that doesn't mean he's better, but he is absolutely a quality starting RB and not just a change of pace/3rd down back.
I think the YTD stats are misleading. In the games that both RBs have been active, with the same offensive lines and the same opponents it has been:Jackson: 104 rush 451 yards; 20 rec for 153 YardsLynch: 96 rush 338 yards; 23 rec for 150 YardsIn my opinion that is pretty close when all things were equal.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
If Mike Shanahan was coaching the Bills at least you'd get better production when you correctly guessed which RB to start.

 
You need to watch more than 1 game to make this judgment. Lynch looked better tonight than he has all season. Jackson didn't do much, but he had little room to run as well b/c the Jets have a very good defense and the Bills offensive line is one of the worst 2 or 3 in the league right now.check out their stats for this year. it's been pretty apparent all year long that Jackson was outplaying Lynch. that doesn't mean he's better, but he is absolutely a quality starting RB and not just a change of pace/3rd down back.
Looking at the year-long stats isn't a fair comparison, because Buffalo really unraveled as the season progressed. Jackson got the benefit of playing behind the decent Bills O-line over the first three weeks before it all hit the fan.To wit: after tonight, Lynch is averaging 3.5 yards per carry. Since week 3, Jackson is averaging... 3.6 yards per carry. Granted, I don't watch as much of the Bills as you do, but when I've seen them, both backs have seemed pretty interchangeable.
this was supposed to be my point. both are good backs and could be quality starters in the NFL. the OP said that Jackson was just a 3rd down/COP back, which I think underrates him. I like Lynch a lot too.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
You need to watch more than 1 game to make this judgment. Lynch looked better tonight than he has all season. Jackson didn't do much, but he had little room to run as well b/c the Jets have a very good defense and the Bills offensive line is one of the worst 2 or 3 in the league right now.check out their stats for this year. it's been pretty apparent all year long that Jackson was outplaying Lynch. that doesn't mean he's better, but he is absolutely a quality starting RB and not just a change of pace/3rd down back.
Obviously I haven't watched him play a ton which is how I prefaced my original post but I have read on the boards in countless Lynch threads from various people that Jackson is the superior back. Maybe he's the better back in games that aren't nationally televised but watching yesterday there was only one run (late in the game on a misdirection) where he showed me anything and even on that play he had no second gear to break it for a really long run. Lynch on the other hand ran strong and broke tackles and I saw him pick up a few blitzes.
you didn't watch Jackson in the season opening MNF game against the Patriots? he was the best player on the field.
 
this was supposed to be my point. both are good backs and could be quality starters in the NFL. the OP said that Jackson was just a 3rd down/COP back, which I think underrates him. I like Lynch a lot too.
I was mostly just disagreeing with your statement that it was pretty obvious that Jackson was outplaying Lynch.
 
Fred Jackson is quick, hits the hole hard and has great hands. He is not on par with Lynch. Lynch is a better back with a little less speed. I can't count how many times a finger has caused him to go down where Lynch can carry a defender on his back at times. Production be damned, watch the games.

 
this was supposed to be my point. both are good backs and could be quality starters in the NFL. the OP said that Jackson was just a 3rd down/COP back, which I think underrates him. I like Lynch a lot too.
I was mostly just disagreeing with your statement that it was pretty obvious that Jackson was outplaying Lynch.
I think Lynch has looked much better the past two years than he has this year, while Jackson has looked amazing at times this year. Basically, I've been disappointed with Lynch this year and very impressed with Jackson, so while I thought Lynch was the clearly superior back coming into this season, I no longer think that.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Fred Jackson is quick, hits the hole hard and has great hands. He is not on par with Lynch. Lynch is a better back with a little less speed. I can't count how many times a finger has caused him to go down where Lynch can carry a defender on his back at times. Production be damned, watch the games.
Lynch can break tackles like nobody's business, but sometimes Jackson seems to have a better vision and feel for where the holes are going to be. He's a more natural receiver than Lynch as well, but Lynch is no slouch in that area.
 
Fred Jackson is quick, hits the hole hard and has great hands. He is not on par with Lynch. Lynch is a better back with a little less speed. I can't count how many times a finger has caused him to go down where Lynch can carry a defender on his back at times. Production be damned, watch the games.
Lynch can break tackles like nobody's business, but sometimes Jackson seems to have a better vision and feel for where the holes are going to be. He's a more natural receiver than Lynch as well, but Lynch is no slouch in that area.
How does this play out in the long run?the new regime seems to favor Fred Jackson but the Bills as an organization has a lot of invested in Lynch..
 
Fred Jackson is quick, hits the hole hard and has great hands. He is not on par with Lynch. Lynch is a better back with a little less speed. I can't count how many times a finger has caused him to go down where Lynch can carry a defender on his back at times. Production be damned, watch the games.
Lynch can break tackles like nobody's business, but sometimes Jackson seems to have a better vision and feel for where the holes are going to be. He's a more natural receiver than Lynch as well, but Lynch is no slouch in that area.
How does this play out in the long run?the new regime seems to favor Fred Jackson but the Bills as an organization has a lot of invested in Lynch..
I am sure more then a few teams could use Beastmode.
 
Fred Jackson is quick, hits the hole hard and has great hands. He is not on par with Lynch. Lynch is a better back with a little less speed. I can't count how many times a finger has caused him to go down where Lynch can carry a defender on his back at times. Production be damned, watch the games.
Lynch can break tackles like nobody's business, but sometimes Jackson seems to have a better vision and feel for where the holes are going to be. He's a more natural receiver than Lynch as well, but Lynch is no slouch in that area.
How does this play out in the long run?the new regime seems to favor Fred Jackson but the Bills as an organization has a lot of invested in Lynch..
Jackson is like 32. Long term he has no value. His value is now. Lynch is the long term guy. If Lynch was on a team with an O-line do you know what he could do? Imagin him on the Titans or Vikings.
 
Fred Jackson is quick, hits the hole hard and has great hands. He is not on par with Lynch. Lynch is a better back with a little less speed. I can't count how many times a finger has caused him to go down where Lynch can carry a defender on his back at times. Production be damned, watch the games.
Lynch can break tackles like nobody's business, but sometimes Jackson seems to have a better vision and feel for where the holes are going to be. He's a more natural receiver than Lynch as well, but Lynch is no slouch in that area.
How does this play out in the long run?the new regime seems to favor Fred Jackson but the Bills as an organization has a lot of invested in Lynch..
Jackson is like 32. Long term he has no value. His value is now. Lynch is the long term guy. If Lynch was on a team with an O-line do you know what he could do? Imagin him on the Titans or Vikings.
Actually, Jackson's only 28.Lynch has a long, productive career in front of him once he starts running behind a respectable line, but Jackson's far from worthless beyond this year.
 
Fred Jackson is quick, hits the hole hard and has great hands. He is not on par with Lynch. Lynch is a better back with a little less speed. I can't count how many times a finger has caused him to go down where Lynch can carry a defender on his back at times. Production be damned, watch the games.
Lynch can break tackles like nobody's business, but sometimes Jackson seems to have a better vision and feel for where the holes are going to be. He's a more natural receiver than Lynch as well, but Lynch is no slouch in that area.
How does this play out in the long run?the new regime seems to favor Fred Jackson but the Bills as an organization has a lot of invested in Lynch..
Jackson is like 32. Long term he has no value. His value is now. Lynch is the long term guy. If Lynch was on a team with an O-line do you know what he could do? Imagin him on the Titans or Vikings.
Jackson is 28 (29 in Feb) and this is only his third year in the league, and could easily be productive for a few more years as a quality backup/spot starter, or maybe even a starter on a team with no RB1.Lynch is more of a power back. As mentioned above, he not only can carry a guy on his back, but I have watched him moved piles three yards. Jackson seems to be more smooth of a runner, but he goes down much easier and doesnt fall forward. If you've watched a lot of Bills games, it is obvious Lynch is the better back in terms of pure talent.Long term, Lynch is the dynasty hold. In redraft for the rest of this year, unless you made the mistake of drafting Lynch/Jax (like I did :thumbup: ) as your RB2 or RB3, its a situation to stay far away from unless you're really desperate.
 
Fred Jackson = Mewelde Moore, in that, with touches comes production. No one can explain his talent except that he runs hard and has good vision.

 
Watching yesterday for the first extended time Fred Jackson looked a lot less like Fred Taylor and a lot more like Fred Flintstone

His legs were pumping real fast but his body just wasn't moving across the screen

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Watching yesterday for the first extended time Fred Jackson looked a lot less like Fred Taylor and a lot more like Fred FlintstoneHis legs were pumping real fast but his body just wasn't moving across the screen
who is that in your avatar?
 
Fred Jackson is quick, hits the hole hard and has great hands. He is not on par with Lynch. Lynch is a better back with a little less speed. I can't count how many times a finger has caused him to go down where Lynch can carry a defender on his back at times. Production be damned, watch the games.
Lynch can break tackles like nobody's business, but sometimes Jackson seems to have a better vision and feel for where the holes are going to be. He's a more natural receiver than Lynch as well, but Lynch is no slouch in that area.
How does this play out in the long run?the new regime seems to favor Fred Jackson but the Bills as an organization has a lot of invested in Lynch..
Ther is no new regime in Buffalo YET, only that Fewell has taken over as head coach. He is(or at least should be) nothing more than someone keeping the seat warm.
 
this was from before the Jets game.

http://www.buffalobills.com/news/article-3...c6-a568f9e805dc

Jackson steps into lead role

Chris Brown, Lead Journalist

Posted Dec 1, 2009

They’ve been sharing the workload for the better part of the last two seasons. Fred Jackson and Marshawn Lynch have both factored heavily in Buffalo’s production on the ground since 2007. And it’s always been clear that Lynch was the feature back with Jackson serving in a complementary role. That dynamic however, took a noticeable shift in the opposite direction Sunday perhaps serving notice that Jackson is the team’s lead rusher.

Despite Buffalo’s offensive explosion on the scoreboard Sunday, long sustained drives are still not accomplished with regularity as third down conversions remain a stumbling block. The Bills ran only 57 offensive plays against the Dolphins, which is their average this season (57.5). Their opponents average a dozen more per game (69.5).

It’s been one of the main reasons Buffalo’s running backs haven’t been getting much more than 10 carries apiece. The offense hasn’t been on the field long enough. That’s why interim head coach Perry Fewell felt it necessary to give the lion’s share of the rushing load to one back on Sunday, and Jackson was his man.

“I made that decision during the course of the week just watching us practice, watching our tempo,” said Fewell. “And again gut instinct and knowing Fred has been very productive for us. It was just a gut feeling to help our football team.”

Jackson didn’t disappoint averaging almost five yards a carry with 73 yards on 15 rushes in the game including a pair of touchdown runs in the victory. It was the first time since Week 6 against the Jets that Jackson had 15 carries or more.

“I found out (Saturday) night and I just wanted to take advantage of the opportunity and I was definitely given my share of touches and I wanted to make as many plays as possible for this team,” said Jackson. “I felt like the more plays I can make the better it’s going to help our team to go out and get a win.”

Since Marshawn Lynch has returned from suspension in Week 4, the former first-round pick had been getting the majority of the work. Jackson at most would get one more carry than Lynch as was the case against Jacksonville and at Miami. The shoe was on the other foot Sunday and could stay that way moving forward, but Lynch isn't bothered if he has to take a back seat.

"If I can sit down and watch Fred do his thing then that's what I'm going to do," said Lynch. "As long as we continue to put wins up I'm satisfied."

"We feed off each other," said Jackson. "He was the first guy to come up and congratulate me and give me a big hug after the game. And likewise. If he goes out and has a game like that I’m going to give him a big hug and tell him great job."

Jackson has always been a proponent of giving the lead back, whether it was him or Lynch, more than 10 touches a game to allow him to get into a groove.

“Running backs need touches to get into a rhythm,” said Jackson. “Whenever you do that with myself or Marshawn it’s one of those things we feed off of, running against a defense and wearing them down. We were able to do that (Sunday). A large credit goes to our offensive line. They were opening some holes in there.”

Over his career when Jackson has been given more than 10 carries a game his production improves, and it’s no different this season. Jackson has averaged 3.5 yards per rush on carries one through five this season. On carries six through 10 he averages 4.5 yards rush. And on carries 11-15 he averages 4.9 yards per carry.

Jackson believes he’s able to more effectively outsmart defenders when he’s getting most of the work through the course of a game.

“It’s huge,” he said. “You have the opportunity to go out and set blocks up. You go out on the next series and they’re going to look for you to be doing something and you can do the opposite. Every running back feeds off of that.”

Unfortunately getting better as the game wears on has not been the case for Lynch this season, whose average drops from 3.7 to 2.7 to 2.5 over those three carry plateaus. It’s why Jackson is averaging a full yard more than Lynch per carry on the year (4.2 to 3.1).

The difference in production this season has been readily apparent, which is why most outside observers want to see even more of Jackson, who had 116 yards from scrimmage Sunday thanks in part to five receptions for 43 yards. Bills fans lining the tunnel entrance at the east end of stadium after Sunday's win were chanting, 'Fred-dy, Fred-dy, Fred-dy!'

“It’s greatly appreciated,” said Jackson of the support. “It’s one of those things you’ve established yourself as somebody that can go out and be a starter on a football team. As a player you appreciate that and you appreciate all the love you get from the fans.”

Even one of his newest teammates has developed a quick appreciation for Jackson’s game.

“Good back, real good back,” said guard Kendall Simmons. “I like how he runs. He sets blocks up for you and he runs hard, so to me when you have a guy like that all you want to do is keep fighting for him.”

While nothing is set in stone, Perry Fewell has been quick to reward production in his short time as interim head coach. In light of Jackson’s most recent performance it’s not unrealistic to think Jackson could be carrying the load heading into the final five games of the season.
this was posted after the Jets game:http://blogs.buffalobills.com/2009/12/04/j...till-lead-back/

Jackson still lead back

Chris Brown

Posted December 4th, 2009

Marshawn Lynch had some good looking carries on the drive in which he scored on a 15-yard run, but according to interim head coach Perry Fewell, Fred Jackson is still the lead back.

Fewell was asked why Lynch did not get more carries after averaging 10 yards per rush on six carries (60 yards).

“We ran the ball 23 times and passed it 24 times,” said Fewell of Thursday night’s game. ”Fred is still our featured back. We’re just trying to get our playmakers the football. It wasn’t a conscious effort to not give Marshawn the football. We felt like Fred could run behind this scheme a little bit better at that particular time.”

Jackson finished the game with 13 carries to Lynch’s six.
 
this was posted after the Jets game:

http://blogs.buffalobills.com/2009/12/04/j...till-lead-back/

Jackson still lead back

Chris Brown

Posted December 4th, 2009

Marshawn Lynch had some good looking carries on the drive in which he scored on a 15-yard run, but according to interim head coach Perry Fewell, Fred Jackson is still the lead back.

Fewell was asked why Lynch did not get more carries after averaging 10 yards per rush on six carries (60 yards).

“We ran the ball 23 times and passed it 24 times,” said Fewell of Thursday night’s game. ”Fred is still our featured back. We’re just trying to get our playmakers the football. It wasn’t a conscious effort to not give Marshawn the football. We felt like Fred could run behind this scheme a little bit better at that particular time.”

Jackson finished the game with 13 carries to Lynch’s six.
didn't look that way to the people watching from home :confused:

 
Watching yesterday for the first extended time Fred Jackson looked a lot less like Fred Taylor and a lot more like Fred FlintstoneHis legs were pumping real fast but his body just wasn't moving across the screen
who is that in your avatar?
some chick from the real-world a few years ago.. i think her name was Giselle
 
Last edited by a moderator:

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top