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Fred Taylor goes to New England (1 Viewer)

For those of you hoping to get a TD out of Fred, I wouldn't hold your breath. The Pats have allowed only 9 points in their last 4 home games and no TDs.

Week 14 vs. Miami: 12-0

Week 11 vs. Dallas: 12-0

Week 8 vs. Cleveland: 9-3

Week 6 vs. NY Giants: 17-6

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:thumbup: The specifics (rushing yards, receiving, TD's)CAR 71,51,0BUF 71,10,0MIA 35,64,0BAL 78,30,0TEN 65,0,0
Allow me to inject some sanity back into the discussion. In his six games against the teams listed, Taylor has 97 carries for 368 yards. That's 3.8 ypc, which is a decent average considering the defenses involved and is higher than Ricky Williams's or Edgerrin James's averages for the entire year. The Jax D will keep the game close and the coaching staff is now committed to making sure Fred carries the ball 20-30 times a game, plus the handful of receptions he generally gets. Given Taylor's ability to break a long run on any given play, you'd be nuts to bench him for anyone but the most elite back. It's much easier to suffer through the long off-season knowing you've lost with your best player rather than with some scrub you tossed in based on a match-up.
I will sleep fine.In a sense, the fact that this is my first year at FF gives me an advantage, in that I don't overweight players' pasts. Fred is no longer the monster he once was. I don't know why, but he isn't. The only teams he's done well against are IND & HOU; hardly world-beaters.The fact that Fred hasn't gotten more than 80 yards & 0 TD's vs. the six good D's he's faced tells me that he isn't a stud or a low #1. He is a #2 plain and simple, who fares poorly vs. brutal matchups. I have two tough decisions this week, but FT vs. Barlow just isn't one of them.
 
I like to give unbiased views when I can. This is one of those times. I do not own anyone on Jacksonville or New England.

I see FT's stat line being:

18 rushes for 49 yards.

5 receptions for 32 yards.

0 TDs.

 
In my league, no other team has got as good a RB combo as me. Jamal Lewis and Fred Taylor. I'm not sure what kind of leagues you guys are in, but I have no choice. RB #3 for me is Hambrick and WR #3 is Sherry Glenn. Taylor's consistency as a #2 back is one of the reasons why I am #2 is scoring and in the semifinals. Even against a tough matchup, (and he has had several this season) I think Freddy can get me about 15 points (1 pt per 10, rush and rec, 6 per TD, 1 pt per reception).Also, don't be surprised if Jacksonville wins that game. I don't see the Pats going 14-2 this season, so I think it's safe to say that they will lose again this season before the playoffs. Jacksonville has been coming on strong lately and this, at least in my opinion, is the classic letdown game for the Pats.

 
For those of you hoping to get a TD out of Fred, I wouldn't hold your breath. The Pats have allowed only 9 points in their last 4 home games and no TDs.

Week 14 vs. Miami: 12-0

Week 11 vs. Dallas: 12-0

Week 8 vs. Cleveland: 9-3

Week 6 vs. NY Giants: 17-6

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Which leads to my point that they're due to give up a crap load of points this week. No snow or rain. Taylor's the man. NE Defense is overrated and so is that team and in any case, they are due for a let down. Freddy can still make them miss.
 
I cannot see Taylor finding paydirt on sunday. I watch the Pats every week, I think Jax will give him the ball alot but honestly do not think it's likely to see him in the endzone. I start 3 RBs- Portis and Barlow, Im torn between Freddy, D Davis @ TB, and Duckett @ IND. Im thinking Duckett, hopefully the new coach gives him the rock.NE 17-6Taylor 75 rush, 30 rec, 0 TD

 
Sportsline feels there are only 13 better options than Fred this week:1. Priest Holmes 2. Clinton Portis 3. Ahman Green 4. Marshall Faulk 5. LaDainian Tomlinson 6. Jamal Lewis 7. Stephen Davis 8. Deuce McAllister 9. Edgerrin James 10. Shaun Alexander 11. Ricky Williams 12. Travis Henry 13. Tiki Barber 14. FRED TAYLOR
All I needed to hear was "Sportsline". :P
 
This thread is wrecking my playoff buzz. I've currently got Tiki on the bench and Fred in the lineup. I'm certain that -- no matter what I do -- I will start the wrong RB, lose by a fraction of a point and cost myself big $$$. Damn!

This was supposed-ta be the week where I had the great matchups. "Sounds like someone's got a case of the 'supposed-tas'..."

 
Jacksonville has been coming on strong lately and this, at least in my opinion, is the classic letdown game for the Pats.
Letdown game? That's what people said about Houston. Granted, that wasn't a pretty win, but the Pats have not been stellar on the road. But they haven't lost a home game yet this season, nor will they.IMO, the more likely letdown game for the Pats is next week @ Jets, as they look forward to the "revenge game" at home vs. Buffalo in Week 17.
 
My only other options are Shipp and K. Faulk. With Faulk out of the equation, I would project Shipp to get more yards than Fred with neither seeing the end zone. However...I am playing Fred (going with the never bench your studs theory) just because of the possible upside ... there is more liklehood of Taylor breaking a long one for a TD than Shipp and even having a monster games against all logic and expectation. Do I expect it? Hell no! but I am willing to give up 20 or 30 total yards to take that chance.

 
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This thread is wrecking my playoff buzz. I've currently got Tiki on the bench and Fred in the lineup. I'm certain that -- no matter what I do -- I will start the wrong RB, lose by a fraction of a point and cost myself big $$$. Damn!

This was supposed-ta be the week where I had the great matchups. "Sounds like someone's got a case of the 'supposed-tas'..."
I've also got the Fred vs. Tiki choice. At the moment I'm leaning (very slightly) towards Tiki. I figure he's got a better chance (very slightly) of breaking off a long TD against NO than Fred does against NE.
 
I gotta start Freddy T this week. I can't go this far into a season and bench a top 10 RB(in my league anyway) no matter who he's playing. I think its overanalyzing the situation. We all know TD's are a freak stat, maybe he gets one and maybe he doesn't but I think he's got a better shot than a lot of other backs that would be started in his place.Worst case scenario is the Pats shutting down the running game, Jax getting behind and Freddy T gets some catches and some garbage yards on little dumpoffs cause the Pats are blitzing like crazy. He's a huge part of their offense, he'll be in the game getting his touches.Sure its not a dream matchup but like someone said before if you're team is deep enough to be benching Fred in the playoffs then you don't need to be reading all these posts.

 
Sportsline feels there are only 13 better options than Fred this week:1. Priest Holmes 2. Clinton Portis 3. Ahman Green 4. Marshall Faulk 5. LaDainian Tomlinson 6. Jamal Lewis 7. Stephen Davis 8. Deuce McAllister 9. Edgerrin James 10. Shaun Alexander 11. Ricky Williams 12. Travis Henry 13. Tiki Barber 14. FRED TAYLOR
All I needed to hear was "Sportsline". :P
And what about Footballguys:15. Fred Taylor, Jac (at NE)
 
I gotta start Freddy T this week. I can't go this far into a season and bench a top 10 RB(in my league anyway) no matter who he's playing. I think its overanalyzing the situation. We all know TD's are a freak stat, maybe he gets one and maybe he doesn't but I think he's got a better shot than a lot of other backs that would be started in his place.Worst case scenario is the Pats shutting down the running game, Jax getting behind and Freddy T gets some catches and some garbage yards on little dumpoffs cause the Pats are blitzing like crazy. He's a huge part of their offense, he'll be in the game getting his touches.Sure its not a dream matchup but like someone said before if you're team is deep enough to be benching Fred in the playoffs then you don't need to be reading all these posts.
Excellent point - I really doubt FredT gets over 100 yards running, but around 60 is probably right. Even if the Jags are blown out, Fred will be in ther etaking screen pases - and he can go very far on those receptions - give him another 40 through the air. With the knowledge that ghe'll touch the ball 30+ times in the game, he is as likely as any back in the league to go in for a TD at some point.Now, don't get me wrong, the best situation in the world for me is FredT getting stuffed over and over and ends with a big fat zero, but the above is what I believe will happen. In short, unless you have the luxury of three starting RBs with excellent matchups, FredT is your man - you wouldn't bench Faulk, Deuce, or THenry simply because they faced a tough defense, don't bench Fred either.
 
I don't think things look very good for Freddy T this weekend.I'm actually considering sitting him for K. Faulk or Double D if he's recovered by gametime.I'll probably still wind up playing him though... and suffering the consequences.
I'm in the same boat, FTaylor, DD vs. TB, or a Sunken Shipp. Who would've thought at the beginning of the season, I would be contemplating starting a hurt Houston RB vs. TB over a healthy Fred Taylor vs. NE in a key week 15 playoff matchup? Things don't change too quickly in the NFL do they?
Same situation here: I have to choose between Fred, DD, and Shipp. DD could be a tough matchup coming back from injury and facing TB at home and with possibly Ragone at QB. Then you got a pissed off Carolina team that really needs to win this game to get back on track. I guess, I rode Fred all season, hopefully he helps me get into the FF championship.
 
Re: DDavis - TB is not that tough against the run - they are tough versus the pass. Also, they may be without Sapp.I think DD will be an adequate play - better than Shipp, but not as good a play as FredT.Gottabe - I hope you are right. You keep preaching how Fredt will have his worse day of the season. Are you a Pats fan? Playnig against him this weekend (as I am)? Or what?

 
smelvin, i own him and can't stand the pats but i know when players have bad days and this is one of them die hard bills fan :wall:
Well, I hope you are right - I could use another trip to the Super Bowl to defend my 2002 championship.
 
It's impossible to say when a Player will go off. Fred has as good of a chance as anyone to bust out this week Vs the pats.I remember a while back Dillion going agianst the Ravens who had not given up a 100 yd rusher in a long time...So everyone was saying he was doomed....Guess what? He busted out for 100+ and a td.Never bench a stud player that is going to get his touches because you don't like the matchup. There is no point to predict his yardage as its any given Sunday. Bottom line ....You don't start a Thomas Jones or a Jerome Bettis over Taylor because you don't like the matchup.. It will work agianst you more than it will for you.

 
Weather report's out, and it looks like lots of precipitation this weekend. Start Taylor. He's going off. With his cut moves, he's going to leave the defense in the dust a couple of times at least. Big numbers, guys.

 
Weather report's out, and it looks like lots of precipitation this weekend. Start Taylor. He's going off. With his cut moves, he's going to leave the defense in the dust a couple of times at least. Big numbers, guys.
Dust and precipitation don't mix. ;)If the weather really will be rain mixed with snow, and winds, FredT's cuts won't help unless he's got 2 inch cleats. Straight ahead running is what works in inclement weather.
 
I would indeed be a bit worried about FT's production this week. But unless I have someone better or at least equal, I wouldn't bench him...

 
Dust and precipitation don't mix. ;)If the weather really will be rain mixed with snow, and winds, FredT's cuts won't help unless he's got 2 inch cleats. Straight ahead running is what works in inclement weather.
Gotta disagree. A single cut wil drop a LB or CB like a ton of bricks because you know when you're moving - he doesn't. 2-3 yards per carry is all you'll get grinding it in the rain because no matter how your legs keep churning, you can't get the footing to fight for the extra yard when you're being shoved back by the pile.A single cut runner can average easily twice that in the rain. And Taylor should.As far as dust and rain not mixing, you've obviously never lived in Arizona. ;)
 
I would indeed be a bit worried about FT's production this week. But unless I have someone better or at least equal, I wouldn't bench him...
That helps a lot :rolleyes: The trick is deciding, given things like match-ups, who is equal to or better than Fred this week.

People have thrown some names out and here is my opinion on them...

Start i/o Taylor

Bettis

Edge

Bennett (if starting)

Barlow

Start Taylor

Moe

K Faulk

Shipp

Hambrick

Duckett

A Thomas

Flip a Coin

Barber (Giants are a disaster but he should be the focus)

Dillon (Hasn't done much all year - gonna bust out?)

T Jones (Seems to be the Man now and Hou is Bad)

Thoughts??

 
of course the two guys im mulling starting over taylor are under "flip a coin". thanks a lot... for nothing. honestly, tho, that list is a good stab at what a lot of us fred owners are facing. will be interesting to revisit this monday.

 
of course the two guys im mulling starting over taylor are under "flip a coin". thanks a lot... for nothing. honestly, tho, that list is a good stab at what a lot of us fred owners are facing. will be interesting to revisit this monday.
:D I have one in there too!For the record then...Start Taylor over Barber and Jones, Start Dillon over Taylor :yucky:
 
(Torry Holt had a nice run there, too).
Yes, that thread died when the "Bruce is garbage" faction conveniently jumped ship about a month ago.It'll get bumped again, though, if Bruce outscores Holt yet again this week-- if for no other reason than to force the losers of that argument to tiptoe uncomfortably around the thread until it falls to the second or third page.
 
There is a Bruce is garbage faction?
There was a month ago, but maybe not anymore . . ."I sure am glad I didn't listen to your horrible prediction and trade Holt for Bruce and an upgrade at RB. Bruce is garbage and Holt is the best receiver in football right now. Don't make predictions based on last year's stats....." -- RandleEl82
 
Re: DDavis - TB is not that tough against the run - they are tough versus the pass. Also, they may be without Sapp.I think DD will be an adequate play - better than Shipp, but not as good a play as FredT.Gottabe - I hope you are right. You keep preaching how Fredt will have his worse day of the season. Are you a Pats fan? Playnig against him this weekend (as I am)? Or what?
Yep, check it out. Tampa has given up some big games to Rb's this year.It's a little concerning that they were the team to stop Deuce's streak of 100 yds. per game rushing though.
 
Yes, that thread died when the "Bruce is garbage" faction conveniently jumped ship about a month ago.It'll get bumped again, though, if Bruce outscores Holt yet again this week-- if for no other reason than to force the losers of that argument to tiptoe uncomfortably around the thread until it falls to the second or third page.
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