Fred Taylor vs. MJD (1 Viewer)

[TheFanatic]

Fred Taylor: Proven vet. Injury prone at times. Big new contract - not huge, but still seemingly getting starter money.

MJD: 2nd year back that cracked the top 10 as a rookie playing behind Taylor. To say he has a nose for the endzone is an understatement. A bit undersized in terms of height. Can he carry a full load? It would seem that the Jags aren't ready to answer that question in 2007 with the Taylor contract extension.

So what can we expect out of these two in '07 and beyond?

 

[Phlash]

Right now, you have to figure its going to be a RBBC for '07, but I suspect MJD will be given the goal-line duties and short-yardage work, while Fred will be used for a few series a game and maybe on 1st or 2nd downs. I'd say the split will be about 55/45 MJD/Taylor.

For '08, its MJD all the way baby.

 

[NOONAN]

Fred Taylor: Proven vet. Injury prone at times. Big new contract - not huge, but still seemingly getting starter money.

MJD: 2nd year back that cracked the top 10 as a rookie playing behind Taylor. To say he has a nose for the endzone is an understatement. A bit undersized in terms of height. Can he carry a full load? It would seem that the Jags aren't ready to answer that question in 2007 with the Taylor contract extension.

So what can we expect out of these two in '07 and beyond?

"Ain't broke. Don't fix it." That is what I believe the Jags are thinking. I expect '07 to look alot like '06. Freddy starting and getting about 60% of the work with MJD getting a fair workload and all of the goalline work(don't even start with G Jones-he is a fullback now, people).It amazes me that MJD continues to be viewed as small. Short, yes. Definitely not small. Short is an ASSET as a NFL RB. Harder to spot, low center of gravity, harder to bring down, hard to hit square. All those reasons should give him a chance to be a feature back with the majority of the workload after Freddy T hangs up his cleats.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

"Ain't broke. Don't fix it."

 

[BigTex]

"Ain't broke. Don't fix it."

Of course, I recently drafted Taylor as a fill-in so what do I know.

 

[TheFanatic]

"Ain't broke. Don't fix it."

Of course, I recently drafted Taylor as a fill-in so what do I know.

I realize that, but rarely does anything remain static from year to year in Fantasy Football. Some could say, "LT is first every year at RB. That's remains static." LT was first last year, but the year before he was 3rd. One could argue that he is top 3 every year, but the difference between 2005 and 2006 in terms of pts in a non-ppr league was 298 to 410 points. That's a mammoth difference.Do we see a shift this season towards MJD taking on more of the load? Does the coaching staff begin easing him into the role of the primary guy, particularly towards the end of the season, in order to be ready for life after Taylor? It's also hard to say that it will be more of the same when so many of his points came from TD's. He had 15 total TD's last year. I'm not sure he can do that again this year.

 

[FantasyTrader]

MJD is the guy to have and I have a feeling the production between MJD and Taylor won't even be close after this season is over.

 

[Da Guru]

MJD is a TD machine.

 

[Wadsworth]

Things should basically stay the same in Jacksonville. I expext MJD will get a few more touches a games average but keep in mind he didn't get much time last season until the second half in the Indy. If Greg Jones is again healthy he'll likely steal some goal line and short yardage carries, but MJD should still get a decent percentage of the money touches.

Don't lose site of the fact that Fred Taylor had an excellent season in 2006 and the Jags were an elite rushing team. It wasn't Fred's best fantasy year but you could argue it was one of his best seasons as a pro. Why would they change things up that much? They'll add the new right tackle and hopefully a healthy Greg Jones at fullback an keep doing what worked last year.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Think they'll equally split 400 carries this year with Jones, etc getting 50-60 carries. With those 200 carries, I also project 50 catches and around 1400 total yards and 12 TDs for MJD.

 

[NOONAN]

Think they'll equally split 400 carries this year with Jones, etc getting 50-60 carries. With those 200 carries, I also project 50 catches and around 1400 total yards and 12 TDs for MJD.

Not bad projections either. That assumes Freddy stays healthy also Glad to see you don't view G Jones as the goalline vulture some do!!!Career stats:Rushing Year Team G GS Att Yds Avg Lg TD 20+ 1st 2004 Jacksonville Jaguars 16 3 62 162 2.6 12 3 0 14 2005 Jacksonville Jaguars 14 13 151 575 3.8 27 4 5 32 2006 Jacksonville Jaguars 0 0 0 0 --- 0 0 0 0 TOTAL 30 16 213 737 3.5 27 7 5 Looks like he might be good for a couple TD's like any FULLBACK. MJD! MJD! MJD!

 

[NOONAN]

"Ain't broke. Don't fix it."

Of course, I recently drafted Taylor as a fill-in so what do I know.

I realize that, but rarely does anything remain static from year to year in Fantasy Football. Some could say, "LT is first every year at RB. That's remains static." LT was first last year, but the year before he was 3rd. One could argue that he is top 3 every year, but the difference between 2005 and 2006 in terms of pts in a non-ppr league was 298 to 410 points. That's a mammoth difference.Do we see a shift this season towards MJD taking on more of the load? Does the coaching staff begin easing him into the role of the primary guy, particularly towards the end of the season, in order to be ready for life after Taylor?

It's also hard to say that it will be more of the same when so many of his points came from TD's. He had 15 total TD's last year. I'm not sure he can do that again this year.

Like I said "Ain't broke. Don't fix it." With that amount of production, why would you make changes here?Sure, MJD should see a SLIGHT increase in percentage of carries-he is the future. Production from those carries is a different thing, though, and may be what you are getting at in terms of remaining static year to year.

 

[duaneok66]

I thought Greg Jones was still on the roster; IF he makes the team and is healthy, this whole thread is moot . . .

 

[TheFanatic]

I thought Greg Jones was still on the roster; IF he makes the team and is healthy, this whole thread is moot . . .

Huh?

 

[Phlash]

I thought Greg Jones was still on the roster; IF he makes the team and is healthy, this whole thread is moot . . .

Whose he?

 

[LabelMan]

Things should basically stay the same in Jacksonville. I expext MJD will get a few more touches a games average but keep in mind he didn't get much time last season until the second half in the Indy. If Greg Jones is again healthy he'll likely steal some goal line and short yardage carries, but MJD should still get a decent percentage of the money touches. Don't lose site of the fact that Fred Taylor had an excellent season in 2006 and the Jags were an elite rushing team. It wasn't Fred's best fantasy year but you could argue it was one of his best seasons as a pro. Why would they change things up that much? They'll add the new right tackle and hopefully a healthy Greg Jones at fullback an keep doing what worked last year.

My gut tells me that we're going to see the Jags become the MJD & Greg Jones team this year.Fragile just signed what will be his last big deal. Just really feeling that this is going to be a big fragile year for him. Draft MDJ high if you want to get him.

 

[Giggity]

I thought Greg Jones was still on the roster; IF he makes the team and is healthy, this whole thread is moot . . .

You mean with his 3.5ypc and 7 career tds in 3 years? Didn't MJD pretty much produce as much in 7 games as Greg Jones did in 3 years?Games on the line... Down by 6.... Ball is on the 3....Get Greg Jones in the game! Then you wake up, and watch MJD bust it in. The only way Jones is going to touch the ball when the game is on the line, is if he pays the ball boy. But like you said, if he even makes the team. Lee Suggs is as much of a threat to Taylor/MJD as Greg Jones is. I'd guess Toefield ends up being the 3rd string RB, and I'm not even sure GJ is on the team come week 1.

 

[Stealthycat]

one injurty and either becomes a very valuable FF start

 

[pigskin pimp]

MJD is being drafted in the 1st rounds/early 2nd. Taylor is being drafted in the 5th or 6th rounds in the mocks.

Now, it's just predictions we're slinging, but in terms of value...

...it's a no brainer.

Fragile Freddy is the sleeper. Taylor may outproduce MJD in 2008 and be had in th e5th or 6th round instead of burning a 1st on a young stud who I don't see sniffing the endzone as many times in 07 as he did in 06.

You want value...a starting RB in round 5/6 is value, no matter his injury history.

 

[Wadsworth]

People.. Greg Jones is a fullback. Yes he was a RB at Florida State and isn't a bad RB in a pinch on the NFL level. But make no mistake about the fact that right now Greg Jones is the starting fullback for the Jags who might see a few carries here and there. He may be a disappointment as a fantasy player, but he was playing at a near Pro Bowl level at fullback before the injury.

Two years from now, who knows. Greg Jones has looked like a legit NFL RB at times. But right now it's all about Fred and MoJo. Don't over think the thing it.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

I don't want to unfairly label Taylor as "Fragile Fred" anymore, but part of MJD's upside is the fact that he is splitting time with Taylor. I can't help but think there are better-than-normal odds that he gets a crack at full-time work before too many games. After signing a nice contract, what's Taylor's motivation again?

 

[On The Rocks]

IMHO neither is a Fantasy Football RB1.

But MJD is a an absolute classic RB2. Just perfect.

Fred Taylor on the other hand....is a guy I wouldn't mind having as a RB3.....but if I looked at my roster after a redraft, I wouldn't be thrilled to see him as my #2.

Having said that, I think this season MJD totals will be very similar to last year. Maybe a few more touches but not any more TD's. And I think Taylor's numbers reduce significantly.

 

[jurb26]

IMHO neither is a Fantasy Football RB1.

But MJD is a an absolute classic RB2. Just perfect.

Fred Taylor on the other hand....is a guy I wouldn't mind having as a RB3.....but if I looked at my roster after a redraft, I wouldn't be thrilled to see him as my #2.

Having said that, I think this season MJD totals will be very similar to last year. Maybe a few more touches but not any more TD's. And I think Taylor's numbers reduce significantly.

MJD was RB 8 last year. Seeing that I own him in 1 dynasty league, I can tell you first hand that the guy absolutely was a RB1 last year. The guy basically only played in 14 games and scored in 12 of them. The worst yardage he posted in that 14 games was 46 (with a TD). Not only did he score a ton of total points and RB1 total points, but he scored consistently! You say he will have a similar year to last. You also say he is only a RB2. 1400 total yds and 15 TDs is by no means a RB2. If you are in PPR leagues it only gets better as MJD recorded 46 receptions last year.

 

[Da Guru]

IMHO neither is a Fantasy Football RB1.But MJD is a an absolute classic RB2. Just perfect.Fred Taylor on the other hand....is a guy I wouldn't mind having as a RB3.....but if I looked at my roster after a redraft, I wouldn't be thrilled to see him as my #2.Having said that, I think this season MJD totals will be very similar to last year. Maybe a few more touches but not any more TD's. And I think Taylor's numbers reduce significantly.

I just don`t see Freddy getting more than 3-4 TDs this year.

 

[On The Rocks]

IMHO neither is a Fantasy Football RB1.

But MJD is a an absolute classic RB2. Just perfect.

Fred Taylor on the other hand....is a guy I wouldn't mind having as a RB3.....but if I looked at my roster after a redraft, I wouldn't be thrilled to see him as my #2.

Having said that, I think this season MJD totals will be very similar to last year. Maybe a few more touches but not any more TD's. And I think Taylor's numbers reduce significantly.

MJD was RB 8 last year. Seeing that I own him in 1 dynasty league, I can tell you first hand that the guy absolutely was a RB1 last year. The guy basically only played in 14 games and scored in 12 of them. The worst yardage he posted in that 14 games was 46 (with a TD). Not only did he score a ton of total points and RB1 total points, but he scored consistently! You say he will have a similar year to last. You also say he is only a RB2. 1400 total yds and 15 TDs is by no means a RB2. If you are in PPR leagues it only gets better as MJD recorded 46 receptions last year.

No doubt he will certainly be a RB1 on a lot teams. And he will be a good one. I just know if I finished my draft and he was my RB1, I would be a little disappointed.My point is, not knowing what to fully expect from him, he will be a perfect RB2 if you have a late round pick and can get him in the 2nd round.

 

[PahtyTom]

MJD is top 10, Fred T is top 30

 

[Wadsworth]

MJD is top 10, Fred T is top 30

Fred Taylor had almost 1400 combined yards and 6 TDs last season while averaging 5.0 yards a carry and 10.5 per catch. Certainly Drew was the better fantasy option last season and should be this season but with Taylor going in rounds 5-7 and Drew frequently going in the 1st round, which is better value? Fred is playing very well and is still the starter. The Jags are in no hurry to show the old man the door and in fact the organization and fans in Jacksonville would love for Fred to finally get his first invite to Hawaii this season. If he has a chance at the Pro Bowl late in the season(fantasy play-off time) I'd expect Fred to get extra touches in an effort to get him his Pro Bowl. Don't sleep too much on Fred Taylor, there's excellent value here.

 

[TheFanatic]

MJD is top 10, Fred T is top 30

Fred Taylor had almost 1400 combined yards and 6 TDs last season while averaging 5.0 yards a carry and 10.5 per catch. Certainly Drew was the better fantasy option last season and should be this season but with Taylor going in rounds 5-7 and Drew frequently going in the 1st round, which is better value? Fred is playing very well and is still the starter. The Jags are in no hurry to show the old man the door and in fact the organization and fans in Jacksonville would love for Fred to finally get his first invite to Hawaii this season. If he has a chance at the Pro Bowl late in the season(fantasy play-off time) I'd expect Fred to get extra touches in an effort to get him his Pro Bowl. Don't sleep too much on Fred Taylor, there's excellent value here.

MJD finished 8th in a Non PPR league last year. Fred finished 18th. Fred had a great YPC at 4.96. MJD had a YPC of 5.67. That was #1 in the league out of the top 32 fantasy backs last year. Gore was second with 5.42. LT was 3rd with 5.20. Only two other backs were above 5.0 - Tiki and Westbrook. As Fred gets another year older do you expect his YPC to go up or down? As Fred gets another year older do you think his number of attempts goes up or down? Like I said, things rarely if ever remain the same from year to year in the NFL and Fantasy Football. When you see a Fantasy Mag with the same 10 guys in their projected top 10 as the actual top 10 from the year prior be wary. And for all of you that think that this situation will stay exactly the same as last year I say back to the barn to you. Isn't it time for your wool to be sheered you sheep?

 

[redman]

I don't want to unfairly label Taylor as "Fragile Fred" anymore, but part of MJD's upside is the fact that he is splitting time with Taylor. I can't help but think there are better-than-normal odds that he gets a crack at full-time work before too many games. After signing a nice contract, what's Taylor's motivation again?

When has Taylor ever been regarded as a slacker? Injury prone, yes, but I've never heard anyone question his heart. Didn't he take less money to stay in Jax?

 

[duaneok66]

I can't remember the last time a part time player has ever been drafted in the first round . . . has it ever happened? MJD owners will be very disappointed this year . . .

 

[Giggity]

I can't remember the last time a part time player has ever been drafted in the first round . . . has it ever happened? MJD owners will be very disappointed this year . . .

MJD is ranked 17 in redraft and 19 in dynasty, and I expect his ADP to be lower then that.So no, he won't be a 1st round pick.

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

I don't want to unfairly label Taylor as "Fragile Fred" anymore, but part of MJD's upside is the fact that he is splitting time with Taylor. I can't help but think there are better-than-normal odds that he gets a crack at full-time work before too many games. After signing a nice contract, what's Taylor's motivation again?

When has Taylor ever been regarded as a slacker? Injury prone, yes, but I've never heard anyone question his heart. Didn't he take less money to stay in Jax?

You can fault him for being nicked up, but it would be wrong to question his heart.

 

[bonesman]

I can't remember the last time a part time player has ever been drafted in the first round . . . has it ever happened? MJD owners will be very disappointed this year . . .

MJD is ranked 17 in redraft and 19 in dynasty, and I expect his ADP to be lower then that.So no, he won't be a 1st round pick.

really?!?! by who?I see Jones-Drew having more long term value than redraft.

Jags won't have a particularly high pick in next years draft (I don't think), and MoJo has the skill set to carry the load (from what i can tell)... i find it hard to believe that his highest value in his career will be as a rookie and he'll steadily get worse from there.

 

[Buttmonkey]

Here's a different perspective on MJD's value.

MJD vs. Bush

Most people will agree Bush will be selected ahead of MJD. So, with that being said, here are some facts.

MJD outperformed Bush last year in total yards, touchdowns and carries. And not by just a little, but by a whole lot.

So, with that being said. How is Bush a better pick than Jones-Drew when Reggie has a younger, stronger, back to contend with in McCallister than MJD has with Taylor. In other words, how are people not knocking Bush for the same logic as they are for Jones-Drew?

Let's not forget something here: MJD OUTPERFORMED BUSH BY A LARGER MARGIN LAST YEAR!!!

All-in-all it's a crapshoot. Who knows, maybe Taylor has a career year and holds off Jones-Drew. But, if I'm a coach and I want to win games, which train and I going to jump on? The Taylor locomotive or the Jones-Drew express.

 

[jurb26]

Here's a different perspective on MJD's value. MJD vs. BushMost people will agree Bush will be selected ahead of MJD. So, with that being said, here are some facts.MJD outperformed Bush last year in total yards, touchdowns and carries. And not by just a little, but by a whole lot.So, with that being said. How is Bush a better pick than Jones-Drew when Reggie has a younger, stronger, back to contend with in McCallister than MJD has with Taylor. In other words, how are people not knocking Bush for the same logic as they are for Jones-Drew?Let's not forget something here: MJD OUTPERFORMED BUSH BY A LARGER MARGIN LAST YEAR!!! All-in-all it's a crapshoot. Who knows, maybe Taylor has a career year and holds off Jones-Drew. But, if I'm a coach and I want to win games, which train and I going to jump on? The Taylor locomotive or the Jones-Drew express.

There is absolutely no logic to support this at all. Other than the fact that these people like Bush and don't like MJD. Therefor, they are searching for reasons to knock MJD down and searching for reasons to raise Bush up. It simply amazes me every time I look at peoples ranks how high Bush is and how much lower MJD is.

 

[Usual21]

I have MJD as my RB2 and couldn't be happier.

 

[apkballa]

What about Jones. He got injured last year before the season started. He has to be in the mix for the job. No?

 

[Giggity]

I can't remember the last time a part time player has ever been drafted in the first round . . . has it ever happened? MJD owners will be very disappointed this year . . .

MJD is ranked 17 in redraft and 19 in dynasty, and I expect his ADP to be lower then that.So no, he won't be a 1st round pick.

really?!?! by who?I see Jones-Drew having more long term value than redraft.

Jags won't have a particularly high pick in next years draft (I don't think), and MoJo has the skill set to carry the load (from what i can tell)... i find it hard to believe that his highest value in his career will be as a rookie and he'll steadily get worse from there.

Footballguys.com. Ever heard of them? They post rankings and such, you should check into them. Good reading.

 

[TheFanatic]

I have MJD as my RB2 and couldn't be happier.

I just traded for the guy yesterday. Moved Cedric and a 1st rounder for him. MJD, LT and Rudi. Not sure who is the #2 in that lineup. I see Rudi being the #2 for the first half and MJD for the second....I see the Jags ramping up his carries as the season goes on. He could have a monster playoff run for Fantasy owners....

 

[TheFanatic]

I can't remember the last time a part time player has ever been drafted in the first round . . . has it ever happened? MJD owners will be very disappointed this year . . .

MJD is ranked 17 in redraft and 19 in dynasty, and I expect his ADP to be lower then that.So no, he won't be a 1st round pick.

really?!?! by who?I see Jones-Drew having more long term value than redraft.

Jags won't have a particularly high pick in next years draft (I don't think), and MoJo has the skill set to carry the load (from what i can tell)... i find it hard to believe that his highest value in his career will be as a rookie and he'll steadily get worse from there.

Footballguys.com. Ever heard of them? They post rankings and such, you should check into them. Good reading.

 

[Giggity]

Here's a different perspective on MJD's value. MJD vs. BushMost people will agree Bush will be selected ahead of MJD. So, with that being said, here are some facts.MJD outperformed Bush last year in total yards, touchdowns and carries. And not by just a little, but by a whole lot.So, with that being said. How is Bush a better pick than Jones-Drew when Reggie has a younger, stronger, back to contend with in McCallister than MJD has with Taylor. In other words, how are people not knocking Bush for the same logic as they are for Jones-Drew?Let's not forget something here: MJD OUTPERFORMED BUSH BY A LARGER MARGIN LAST YEAR!!! All-in-all it's a crapshoot. Who knows, maybe Taylor has a career year and holds off Jones-Drew. But, if I'm a coach and I want to win games, which train and I going to jump on? The Taylor locomotive or the Jones-Drew express.

There is absolutely no logic to support this at all. Other than the fact that these people like Bush and don't like MJD. Therefor, they are searching for reasons to knock MJD down and searching for reasons to raise Bush up. It simply amazes me every time I look at peoples ranks how high Bush is and how much lower MJD is.

Very interesting point. How much does college effect rankings for rookies, 2nd year players, 3rd year players.I've noticed on RBs, people will hang onto hope for YEARS. Look at Ron Dayne. Chris Perry. Great college RBs, who suck in the NFL, but people hold out hope for years and years.WRs, people usually let go much quicker. Mike Williams lasted about a year. Charles Rogers maybe two. QBs, people will discount within 3-4 games. You couldn't give away Harrington, Couch, Carr after their first year starting. People sour very quickly on QBs. If you don't do well, you don't get it. So back to MJD/Bush.Is it 50% college, 50% 1st year in the NFL? How many NFL games does MJD need to outperform Bush to make up for the lack of college hype? 80% 1st year in NFL 20% college? Obvious college has some ratio, because people think Bush is a top 5-6 RB. Is it ESPN? Subway? What makes people think, after year 1 in the NFL, Bush is better. Talent? Team? Supporting cast? Situation? If they were WRs, Bush wouldn't be anywhere close to MJD.If they were QBs, Bush would be far below MJD.But with RBs, people cling to that college hype/experience. They can blame the o-line, the blocking, the system, injuries. I've even seen Dwill over MJD. Does "talent" (which btw, MJD has out the ###) trump NFL production?Regardless, it's interesting to see how values ebb and flow over the years.

 

[Blackjacks]

Here's a different perspective on MJD's value.

MJD vs. Bush

Most people will agree Bush will be selected ahead of MJD. So, with that being said, here are some facts.

MJD outperformed Bush last year in total yards, touchdowns and carries. And not by just a little, but by a whole lot.

So, with that being said. How is Bush a better pick than Jones-Drew when Reggie has a younger, stronger, back to contend with in McCallister than MJD has with Taylor. In other words, how are people not knocking Bush for the same logic as they are for Jones-Drew?

Let's not forget something here: MJD OUTPERFORMED BUSH BY A LARGER MARGIN LAST YEAR!!!

All-in-all it's a crapshoot. Who knows, maybe Taylor has a career year and holds off Jones-Drew. But, if I'm a coach and I want to win games, which train and I going to jump on? The Taylor locomotive or the Jones-Drew express.

There is absolutely no logic to support this at all. Other than the fact that these people like Bush and don't like MJD. Therefor, they are searching for reasons to knock MJD down and searching for reasons to raise Bush up. It simply amazes me every time I look at peoples ranks how high Bush is and how much lower MJD is.

Very interesting point. How much does college effect rankings for rookies, 2nd year players, 3rd year players.I've noticed on RBs, people will hang onto hope for YEARS. Look at Ron Dayne. Chris Perry. Great college RBs, who suck in the NFL, but people hold out hope for years and years.

WRs, people usually let go much quicker. Mike Williams lasted about a year. Charles Rogers maybe two.

QBs, people will discount within 3-4 games. You couldn't give away Harrington, Couch, Carr after their first year starting. People sour very quickly on QBs. If you don't do well, you don't get it.

So back to MJD/Bush.

Is it 50% college, 50% 1st year in the NFL? How many NFL games does MJD need to outperform Bush to make up for the lack of college hype? 80% 1st year in NFL 20% college? Obvious college has some ratio, because people think Bush is a top 5-6 RB. Is it ESPN? Subway?

What makes people think, after year 1 in the NFL, Bush is better. Talent? Team? Supporting cast? Situation?

If they were WRs, Bush wouldn't be anywhere close to MJD.

If they were QBs, Bush would be far below MJD.

But with RBs, people cling to that college hype/experience. They can blame the o-line, the blocking, the system, injuries. I've even seen Dwill over MJD. Does "talent" (which btw, MJD has out the ###) trump NFL production?

Regardless, it's interesting to see how values ebb and flow over the years.

In the last 10 games for both players they both avg. 15 points with Jones Drew having one more point during that time in rushing and recieving #'s (including those td's.) That's including the last regular season game for Reggie where he had 5 touches and a td on the first drive and then taken out. I loved what I saw from Jones-Drew last year. He looks like a bowling ball out there however I think when a player is drafted very highly (Reggie) and you see why on the field you are alittle more confident that he will continue compared to a guy drafted later you might consider him alittle more of lucky until you see it happen more. There have been plenty of late round steals in the NFL and Jones Drew could definetly be one of them but Reggie is a elite talent (better speed, hands and moves than MJD) and should continue to just get better. I'm sure MJD can as well or he could be a flash in the pan. Who knows, I guess we will after next year.

 

[AnonymousBob]

What about Jones. He got injured last year before the season started. He has to be in the mix for the job. No?

This was an informative thread. I suggest you read it.

 

[apkballa]

What about Jones. He got injured last year before the season started. He has to be in the mix for the job. No?

This was an informative thread. I suggest you read it.

Will do.

 

[Dancing Bear]

Blackjack,

I am not so sure you should be giving Bush the accolades that you are. He is not even near the value that you are making him out to be considering what he costs. He finished the year as the 41st RB with respect to YPR and he was the 17th RB with respect to YPC. MJD was 2nd in YPR and 8th in YPC.

Bush was the 2nd pick last year and MJD was the 60th overall pick last year. IMHO, the Jaguars received much more player value for their money than the Saints did.

Additionally, we are all leaving out a couple of other stellar RB's who were acquired with no where near the investment as Bush. They too will be prospects for good RB performance in 2007 and likely to be sole RB's on their respective teams.

Addai finished 9th in YPR and 13th in YPC [the 30th overall pick in 2006]

Jacobs finished 15th in YPR and 2nd in YPC [the 110th overall pick in 2005]

With respect to the Jags, together MJD and Taylor had essentially the same number of carries as Larry Johnson [466 to 457]. Taylor finished 7th in YPR and 4th in YPC! You can hardly call him washed up. Both of their performances point to great O-Line performance and a sound system. Keep in mind they did this with a backup QB behind center for more than 1/2 of the season. I see Del Rio riding this spectacular two-headed RBBC Bus until it breaks down sometime in 2008 or 2009.

 

[kensat30]

I remember a guy by the name of Brian Westbrook when he broke out. I picked him up off the waiver wire and began starting him even though he only carried the ball 10 times a game. And why not? The guy was scoring TDs left and right despite playing in a pure RBBC with 2 other RBs and not seeing the ball much. He was electric, rushing the ball, catching the ball, and returning the ball. He scored TDs seemingly at will and routinely made defenses look silly. I think I remember hearing a stat that he was basically in the endzone every 12 times he touched the ball that season, crazy.

The very next year, with an increased role on offense, he scored less TDs with 60% MORE touches. Three years later after seeing more than a 100% increase in touches, Westbrook just this past season for the first time scored the same amount of TDs as his breakout year.. again, on more than 100% increase in touches.

If Brian Westbrook and other countless guys such as Kevan Barlow have taught you anything, it's that ultra-productive players in a part time role will become less productive when their role increases. And even more so when their ultra-productive team situation becomes less productive.

 

[Giggity]

I remember a guy by the name of Brian Westbrook when he broke out. I picked him up off the waiver wire and began starting him even though he only carried the ball 10 times a game. And why not? The guy was scoring TDs left and right despite playing in a pure RBBC with 2 other RBs and not seeing the ball much. He was electric, rushing the ball, catching the ball, and returning the ball. He scored TDs seemingly at will and routinely made defenses look silly. I think I remember hearing a stat that he was basically in the endzone every 12 times he touched the ball that season, crazy.The very next year, with an increased role on offense, he scored less TDs with 60% MORE touches. Three years later after seeing more than a 100% increase in touches, Westbrook just this past season for the first time scored the same amount of TDs as his breakout year.. again, on more than 100% increase in touches.If Brian Westbrook and other countless guys such as Kevan Barlow have taught you anything, it's that ultra-productive players in a part time role will become less productive when their role increases. And even more so when their ultra-productive team situation becomes less productive.

So MJD is on his way to being the next Westbrook, a top 5 dynasty RB.I'll take it.

 

[Dirty Weasel]

I have MJD as my RB2 and couldn't be happier.

What if you could have LT as your RB2?

 

[Blackjacks]

Blackjack,

I am not so sure you should be giving Bush the accolades that you are. He is not even near the value that you are making him out to be considering what he costs. He finished the year as the 41st RB with respect to YPR and he was the 17th RB with respect to YPC. MJD was 2nd in YPR and 8th in YPC.

Bush was the 2nd pick last year and MJD was the 60th overall pick last year. IMHO, the Jaguars received much more player value for their money than the Saints did.

Additionally, we are all leaving out a couple of other stellar RB's who were acquired with no where near the investment as Bush. They too will be prospects for good RB performance in 2007 and likely to be sole RB's on their respective teams.

Addai finished 9th in YPR and 13th in YPC [the 30th overall pick in 2006]

Jacobs finished 15th in YPR and 2nd in YPC [the 110th overall pick in 2005]

With respect to the Jags, together MJD and Taylor had essentially the same number of carries as Larry Johnson [466 to 457]. Taylor finished 7th in YPR and 4th in YPC! You can hardly call him washed up. Both of their performances point to great O-Line performance and a sound system. Keep in mind they did this with a backup QB behind center for more than 1/2 of the season. I see Del Rio riding this spectacular two-headed RBBC Bus until it breaks down sometime in 2008 or 2009.

I was simplying stating that Reggie came on in the second half of the year and helped his team get to the NFL Championship game. I think if the Saints could draft all over again they would take him again and then celebrate again after getting him. I would go on but this thread isn't about Reggie vs. MJD it is about Fred vs. MJD.

 

[fruity pebbles]

I remember a guy by the name of Brian Westbrook when he broke out. I picked him up off the waiver wire and began starting him even though he only carried the ball 10 times a game. And why not? The guy was scoring TDs left and right despite playing in a pure RBBC with 2 other RBs and not seeing the ball much. He was electric, rushing the ball, catching the ball, and returning the ball. He scored TDs seemingly at will and routinely made defenses look silly. I think I remember hearing a stat that he was basically in the endzone every 12 times he touched the ball that season, crazy.The very next year, with an increased role on offense, he scored less TDs with 60% MORE touches. Three years later after seeing more than a 100% increase in touches, Westbrook just this past season for the first time scored the same amount of TDs as his breakout year.. again, on more than 100% increase in touches.If Brian Westbrook and other countless guys such as Kevan Barlow have taught you anything, it's that ultra-productive players in a part time role will become less productive when their role increases. And even more so when their ultra-productive team situation becomes less productive.

Not sure why you just focused on just TDs and left out the additional 600 yards he had. Guess it stengthens your point to leave that out.