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Free Agency Impact- Top of 2019 Drafts/Auctions (1 Viewer)

Ack88

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Now that the major offensive pieces (Bell, Brown, OBJ) have moved on to new teams, what are your thoughts regarding changes at the top of the board? (For purposes of appealing to the majority of players, say a 12 team, .5 ppr, 4 or 5 TD pass scoring, partial keeper format)

RB

My top six remain unchanged- Barkley, Zeke, Gurley, CMC, Gordon, Kamara

Bell enters the conversation as RB#7 with Connor and DJ.

Still like Bell over Chubb, Mixon, or Cook

Don't love the NYJ landing spot but workload should be robust. Ceiling is capped due to limited TD potential. Don't see how the Jets are a top half offense next year.

Bell is still a late first rounder for me.

WR

Hopkins, Julio, and Thomas remain over OBJ for me.

Adams and OBJ are neck and neck for WR#4 overall.

AB in the next group with JuJu, and Hill.

Still like AB over Evans, Green, and Hilton

To me, OBJ is a mid first rounder now, anywhere between #7-#12

AB is an early second  rounder.

Feel like OBJ moved from a second rounder back into round #`1, Bell essentially stayed the same, and AB is now a second rounder. 

Had AB gone to Tenn. or Wesh. things would have been worse.

 
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Good list and job. How did you come to decide not to put Bell in the first RB tier? Just because of the Jets offense? I think he’s going to get massive volume and he’s an elite talent at RB. No one runs like he runs. Plus he’s good for a lot of receptions. Why would his TD potential be low? I like Darnold and think the whole Jets offense is on the rise. Bell makes this team awesome offensively. And I think he running style plays anywhere even if the offensive line isn’t great. Plus, Bell will be plenty motivated.

 
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No problem with where you put Brown, as Carr is a question mark. Didn't he often refuse to throw the ball to Cooper when he was open? See Cooper's stats with Dallas.

Bell, though, he's 3rd in my book: Gurley's knee, McCaffrey's reduced workload, less talented Gordon.

 
No problem with where you put Brown, as Carr is a question mark. Didn't he often refuse to throw the ball to Cooper when he was open? See Cooper's stats with Dallas.

Bell, though, he's 3rd in my book: Gurley's knee, McCaffrey's reduced workload, less talented Gordon.
Why do you think McCaffrey's workload will be reduced?  He only had about 325 touches last year.  That's not extremely high.

Regarding Brown, if Carr isn't throwing it to Brown when Brown's open, Carr is going to hear Brown #####ing about it.  Cooper never complained about it.  Brown will.   Brown will get is 150+ targets.  2nd round pick seems fine.  Brown should have a nice floor but his ceiling is much lower in OAK.

 
Thought I read something about it somewhere. I would put Bell above him anyway though.
I think people minterperated that quote. They said they wanted to have him on the field for fewer plays where the ball wasn't going to him so he could rest more. I believe in the quote he even said that they specifically did not want to reduce his touches. 

 
Good list and job. How did you come to decide not to put Bell in the first RB tier? Just because of the Jets offense? I think he’s going to get massive volume and he’s an elite talent at RB. No one runs like he runs. Plus he’s good for a lot of receptions. Why would his TD potential be low? I like Darnold and think the whole Jets offense is on the rise. Bell makes this team awesome offensively. And I think he running style plays anywhere even if the offensive line isn’t great. Plus, Bell will be plenty motivated.
I put Bell in tier 2 because he has switched teams and has downgraded with regard to the supporting cast. Darnold could be good but Ben has proven it. The OL play is commensurate but the Jets' WR corps are clearly worse. Nonetheless, a monster workload is in order, which keeps Bell in round #1. I think his TD potential is lower simply because the Jets aggegate offensive talent will not match the historical numbers in Pittsburgh during Bell's tenure there. I just could not take him before the other six guys I listed.

 
fightingillini said:
Why do you think McCaffrey's workload will be reduced?  He only had about 325 touches last year.  That's not extremely high.

Regarding Brown, if Carr isn't throwing it to Brown when Brown's open, Carr is going to hear Brown #####ing about it.  Cooper never complained about it.  Brown will.   Brown will get is 150+ targets.  2nd round pick seems fine.  Brown should have a nice floor but his ceiling is much lower in OAK.
Call me crazy, but I think Brown should still be one of the first two or three WRs taken.  I look at it this way: if the Raiders improve, Brown will be a big reason why, and if they still stink, they will be losing a lot and Brown will be able to rack up a ton of garbage catches and yards.  And the Raiders defense could very well stink again, so they could be playing catch-up a lot.  Carr is a small concern, but I don't see how Brown doesn't get his. 

Ack88 said:
I put Bell in tier 2 because he has switched teams and has downgraded with regard to the supporting cast. Darnold could be good but Ben has proven it. The OL play is commensurate but the Jets' WR corps are clearly worse. Nonetheless, a monster workload is in order, which keeps Bell in round #1. I think his TD potential is lower simply because the Jets aggegate offensive talent will not match the historical numbers in Pittsburgh during Bell's tenure there. I just could not take him before the other six guys I listed.
What historical numbers? 

 
FreeBaGeL said:
I think people minterperated that quote. They said they wanted to have him on the field for fewer plays where the ball wasn't going to him so he could rest more. I believe in the quote he even said that they specifically did not want to reduce his touches. 
Spot on. The headlines were (ofc) grabby and used the word "workload" but the actual quotes by Rivera were more about snap totals being too high, not usage. 

“Very much so, and that’s the intent, is to find that guy,” Rivera said. “And understanding what Christian did last year, how many reps he played, that’s something we do have to be concerned with.

Him touching the ball was no concern. It was just the extra plays. So we have to look at that and find a way to take that load from him.”

Article link.

Personally, I think the Jets offense will make a big jump with the additions of Bell and Crowder. Darnold gets 2 reliable pass catchers to take the heat off, where last year they really had an abysmal core of targets. Healthy Enunwa, emerging Herndon, and the newly signed Bell & Crowder should give Darnold a great chance to take a big second year leap. Still, Bell in the top 7 RBs seems right, but there's a good chance he is the best value as a late 1st by season's end.

 
Call me crazy, but I think Brown should still be one of the first two or three WRs taken.  I look at it this way: if the Raiders improve, Brown will be a big reason why, and if they still stink, they will be losing a lot and Brown will be able to rack up a ton of garbage catches and yards.  And the Raiders defense could very well stink again, so they could be playing catch-up a lot.  Carr is a small concern, but I don't see how Brown doesn't get his. 

What historical numbers? 
Total points, yards, and tds- don’t see how the NYJ put up overall totals in these areas that match Pittsburgh from 2013-17.

 
Total points, yards, and tds- don’t see how the NYJ put up overall totals in these areas that match Pittsburgh from 2013-17.
I agree that the Jets as a unit will not match what the Steelers did, but those numbers were not historical.  That is what threw me.  Semantics, I know. 

 
I agree that the Jets as a unit will not match what the Steelers did, but those numbers were not historical.  That is what threw me.  Semantics, I know. 
I could have written it more clearly. I can see how the wording was awkward.

My larger point is that Bell will continue to chew up yardage but I see a reduction in TDs, thus why he’s in my second group of RB.

 
Call me crazy, but I think Brown should still be one of the first two or three WRs taken.  I look at it this way: if the Raiders improve, Brown will be a big reason why, and if they still stink, they will be losing a lot and Brown will be able to rack up a ton of garbage catches and yards.  And the Raiders defense could very well stink again, so they could be playing catch-up a lot.  Carr is a small concern, but I don't see how Brown doesn't get his. 
Brown is going to need 100/1400/10 or better to justify a 1st round pick, which he would be if he were WR2 or WR3.  That is a tall order going to a new team, and Carr is a clear downgrade from Big Ben.

Still a top 10WR, so 2nd round is fine.

 
On top of everything else, the ongoing Tyreek Hill investigation mandates close following. Don't see how he goes in the first several rounds with the severity of the potential charges against him being unresolved.

 
No problem with where you put Brown, as Carr is a question mark. Didn't he often refuse to throw the ball to Cooper when he was open? See Cooper's stats with Dallas.

Bell, though, he's 3rd in my book: Gurley's knee, McCaffrey's reduced workload, less talented Gordon.
Cooper half-assed it on the field while with the Raiders the past couple of seasons. You could see it during games Cooper was lackadaisical while on the field not giving his best effort. There is a reason why Carr didn't go his way as often as he did the first couple of years Cooper was with the Raiders, he just wasn't very reliable plus dropping balls left and right.

 
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