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Chase Stuart
Footballguy
I liked Josh Johnson. Makes that a wasted pick.
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
OMG, WHAT a f-up move
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Freeman gets one of the best offensive lines in the league with veteran QBs to give him time to develop in front of him. Sounds like being set up for success to me.
If Josh Johnson is good enough to compete with Freeman he wont be a wasted pick.
If Josh Johnson is good enough to compete with Freeman he wont be a wasted pick.
PewterFan
Footballguy
If JJ gets a shot in the NFL, it won't be with the Buccaneers. He's not one of 'their' guys.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
FavreCo
Footballguy
No problem. When Gruden gets back in the league somewhere, he will take Josh Johnson off the Bucs hands for a 2nd rounder.
Man that guy is an idiot.
gump
Footballguy
How do you know that? Mark Dominik was a part of the FO when they drafted JJ.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Very confused why they had to move ahead of Denver to get him - I'd be shocked if Denver was considering him. Maybe there were other teams trying to trade up?
trader jake
Footballguy
Not the best use of the draft process by the Bucs new regime.
Jason Campbell clone...if he develops.
Jason Campbell clone...if he develops.
gump
Footballguy
BoulderBob
Footballguy
I'd wager a pretty penny he has a better career than Stafford and Sanchez. Love the pick, and Freeman's potential. Time will tell!
gump
Footballguy
Oh I agree he'll be a cut or PS...but I don't think its because GruAllen drafted him and MoDom didn't.
PewterFan
Footballguy
Fair enough. I don't think he would last 48 hours on the PS as there surely would be a team willing to take him in as a #3 QB.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
The Leftwich contract is 2 years -- 2 mil each in 2009 and 2010 plus a 3.5 mil roster bonus for 2010, with no signing bonus or guaranteed money. They could cut him today and not lose a cent.If Johnson shows enough to be #2 and McCown shows he can start for a year, I don't think Leftwich makes the opening day roster.
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Punchie
Footballguy
trader jake
Footballguy
Found this article on the Freeman pick interesting link
The writers opinion...
The writers opinion...
I'll bet on crypt myself. The head coach and the franchise QB need to trust each other and have respect but these two sound a bit too close. That's fine once some winning takes place and they've been through the wars together in the NFL. My question: Is Morris going to push Freeman enough or will he use kid gloves?
Get out. Sounds more like wishful thinking than an honest assessment. If nothing else...it should be interesting.
He has a great o-line, good RB's & WR's, and a solid TE. I haven't heard him say much, but he seemed kind of soft spoken from the little I did hear. Not sure how that is going to translate into him being a team leader, but we will see.Make it or break it pick for Raheem & Dominick imo.
Anybody else see this?
http://blogs.usatoday.com/thehuddle/2009/0...mokescreen.html
Could he really be dumb enough to blurt that out? Does that mean Lefty is definitely gone? Should make future contract negotiations with Dominik interesting...
http://blogs.usatoday.com/thehuddle/2009/0...mokescreen.html
Could he really be dumb enough to blurt that out? Does that mean Lefty is definitely gone? Should make future contract negotiations with Dominik interesting...
This was pretty dumb, but I guess we can chalk it up to inexperience, and immaturity. He was probably being a little too honest. I agree, it is going to make things interesting for Dominick. I don't see these two guys getting along in camp now that he said this. Leftwich may not start the season with Tampa, but I'm not ready to write him off just yet. He is only 28, and still hungry. Comments from a n00b like Freeman, are only going to make him push harder this off-season.bigums said:
TitusIII
Footballguy
Major stretch here, dude played at KSU and needs to learn how to deal with the media.
It would be foolish to count out any QB playing behind Tampa's O-Line. Not to mention he now has an above average TE, and WR to target. And, a solid run game to take the load off his shoulders.
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The QB may be a gamble, but I like the looks of the DT and DE the Bucs drafted in the 3rd and 4th. QB and DL were the two big needs going into the draft and it seems like they addressed them. I guess they decided Jerry wasn't a fit, which is kinda what concerned me too (seems more like a pass rusher than a run stuffer). QB, DT, and DE definitely seems like the right positions being drafted. Now the question is whether they will pan out. I'm willing to let time tell this story.
Anyone have any thoughts on what might be going through McCown's head right now? He's told, roughly, that he's the guy (or at least has a great shot at being the starter) and then they bring in Leftwich and are excited to draft Freeman. Not exactly a ringing endorsement for McCown, no?
Leftwich didn't get any signing bonus, so they could cut ties with him and lose nothing. According to Freeman, "Leftwich was a smoke screen." Raheem already said they will go into camp with 4 QB's, so they are going to have to get rid of either Griese, McCown, Leftwich, or Josh Johnson.
Check out this pic of Freeman standing next to Tebow
Lord of the Rings
Footballguy
Maybe a question for a separate thread but:
In 12 team, start 2 QB league where quarterbacks are gobbled up early and often, do you consider Freeman a first round pick in the rookie draft. If so, what range 4-7, 8-12?
In 12 team, start 2 QB league where quarterbacks are gobbled up early and often, do you consider Freeman a first round pick in the rookie draft. If so, what range 4-7, 8-12?
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Punchie
Footballguy
He's going to be a starting QB sooner than later. Morris stated that he would've taken Freeman #1 overall, he loves the kid and will absolutely use him as the franchise QB.As long as Morris is in Tampa, Freeman will be the QB (maybe not at the beginning of 09, but before the end)
Yenrub
Footballguy
Are there any QB's that you like?
Angry Grovers
Footballguy
long time Bucs fan since '79 and i can get behind Josh "Soul Glo / Tito Jackson" Freeman. i'll be in London for the Bucs v Pats game. 
trader jake
Footballguy
I'm not sure the impact he'll make is the one you're looking for.Edit to add: the Jets o-line is better than the Bucs.
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You sure???I'm not sure the impact he'll make is the one you're looking for.Edit to add: the Jets o-line is better than the Bucs.
trader jake
Footballguy
Yes. QB sacks allowed is the only stat you're looking at? (Also, that link is only through week 15...Tampa lost weeks 16 and 17 against SD and OAK)QUEZILLA said:You sure???I'm not sure the impact he'll make is the one you're looking for.Edit to add: the Jets o-line is better than the Bucs.
The Jets had an immobile quarterback running a conservative offense for the first time under a defensive minded head coach in AFC East weather...while the Bucs had a mobile QB under the playcalling of an offensive head coach in Florida and the weather of the NFC south. Yet the Jets led in points/game, yards/pass, 1st downs/game, converted 3rd down percentage, converted 4th down percentage, had 27% more 20+ yard runs, scored 35% more rushing touchdowns, and had more total rushing yards on less attempts (that's a per carry of 4.1 vs. 4.7). The Jets also accomplished this with 6% fewer snaps.For the record Freeman's offensive line allowed 20 sacks last season while Sanchez's allowed 29...does that mean the Kansas State offensive line was better than USC's last year? Hey, I like Tampa's offensive line but at least base your optimism for Josh Freeman having the biggest impact of the rookie QB's on something more tangible than that. I think you're letting your Bucs homerism blind you to the steep climb he has ahead.
The interior of the Bucs line is probably one of the best in the league. You really can't get much better than Faine, Sears, and Joseph. The tackles are better than average, but not elite. The Bucs have had one of the worst o-lines for years, and I was the first to be critical. I'm just telling it like it is now.eta - The Bucs play the Jets this year. Hopefully, both the rookies will be starting.Yes. QB sacks allowed is the only stat you're looking at? (Also, that link is only through week 15...Tampa lost weeks 16 and 17 against SD and OAK)QUEZILLA said:You sure???I'm not sure the impact he'll make is the one you're looking for.Edit to add: the Jets o-line is better than the Bucs.
The Jets had an immobile quarterback running a conservative offense for the first time under a defensive minded head coach in AFC East weather...while the Bucs had a mobile QB under the playcalling of an offensive head coach in Florida and the weather of the NFC south. Yet the Jets led in points/game, yards/pass, 1st downs/game, converted 3rd down percentage, converted 4th down percentage, had 27% more 20+ yard runs, scored 35% more rushing touchdowns, and had more total rushing yards on less attempts (that's a per carry of 4.1 vs. 4.7). The Jets also accomplished this with 6% fewer snaps.
For the record Freeman's offensive line allowed 20 sacks last season while Sanchez's allowed 29...does that mean the Kansas State offensive line was better than USC's last year? Hey, I like Tampa's offensive line but at least base your optimism for Josh Freeman having the biggest impact of the rookie QB's on something more tangible than that. I think you're letting your Bucs homerism blind you to the steep climb he has ahead.
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Jason Wood
Zoo York
I cringe a bit at the fact Raheem used to coach Freeman at K-State. When he said he would've been comfortable drafting Freeman with the 1st overall pick, it struck me as a former coach seeing all the POTENTIAL of the kid without evaluating what he did [and did not] accomplish on the field. I don't pretend to know Freeman inside and out, didn't catch many K-State games over the years. 
But I was really put off by how soft spoken he was. I just don't get the hype other than his monster physical presence. 6'6" is great and all, but I don't recall that being a defining characteristic of great QB play.
You never know until you see it on the field so I'm not going to say Freeman will disappoint. But I wouldn't touch him on my dynasty teams with a 10-foot pole.
But I was really put off by how soft spoken he was. I just don't get the hype other than his monster physical presence. 6'6" is great and all, but I don't recall that being a defining characteristic of great QB play.You never know until you see it on the field so I'm not going to say Freeman will disappoint. But I wouldn't touch him on my dynasty teams with a 10-foot pole.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
2008 -- Matt Ryan got 6 yrs, $72.0mm with $34.75mm guaranteed
2009 -- Matt Stafford got 6yrs, $78.0mm with $41.7mm guaranteed
With Stafford and Sanchez contracts, there is going to much more pressure to start them early.
2008 -- Joe Flacco got 5 yrs, $11.9mm with 8.75mm guaranteed. Another $17.9 million is available through incentives. Flacco was the 18th pick overall. Thus, the difference in amount of money for being a top 5 pick and a mid round pick is huge.
I figure that Josh Freeman will get something similar to what Flacco got. IIRC, Tampa has a tonne of cap room. There should be a lot less pressure on Freeman and coaching staff for him to start. They could actually sit him for a couple of years and give him the proper time to develop his game.
2009 -- Matt Stafford got 6yrs, $78.0mm with $41.7mm guaranteed
With Stafford and Sanchez contracts, there is going to much more pressure to start them early.
2008 -- Joe Flacco got 5 yrs, $11.9mm with 8.75mm guaranteed. Another $17.9 million is available through incentives. Flacco was the 18th pick overall. Thus, the difference in amount of money for being a top 5 pick and a mid round pick is huge.
I figure that Josh Freeman will get something similar to what Flacco got. IIRC, Tampa has a tonne of cap room. There should be a lot less pressure on Freeman and coaching staff for him to start. They could actually sit him for a couple of years and give him the proper time to develop his game.
Kirby
Footballguy
trader jake
Footballguy
The final preseason game is just around the corner and this week Tampa named Byron Leftwich the starting quarterback and today they let go of Jags, their offensive coordinator. Not starting from week 1 is probably a good thing for Freeman's development but what about a second offensive coordinator this early?
