Frontline - Gunned Down (1 Viewer)

[tommyGunZ]

Anyone watch this Tuesday night? I watched it last night - it's so infuriating and leaves me thoroughly disgusted with the state of our politics.

We have failed. Period. All those dead elementary school kids at Sandy Hook. All the kids at Va Tech. The Columbine kids. Etc. We've done nothing about these tragedies, and those kids died for nothing.

Very depressing and unbelievably embarrassing that our society chooses not to act.

 

[Cjw_55106]

I didnt watch it, but what should we be doing that we are not?

 

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I didnt watch it, but what should we be doing that we are not?

Just get rid of all the guns... duh. Laws make bad stuff go away.

 

[Jack White]

John Lott. More guns, less crime.

 

[tommyGunZ]

I didnt watch it, but what should we be doing that we are not?

We've done absolutely nothing. That's not acceptable.

 

[Cjw_55106]

I didnt watch it, but what should we be doing that we are not?

We've done absolutely nothing. That's not acceptable.

So, no answer, just #####ing about it? I see.

 

[StrikeS2k]

I didnt watch it, but what should we be doing that we are not?

We've done absolutely nothing. That's not acceptable.

They're building a new, better school. What more do you want?

 

[Godsbrother]

I didnt watch it, but what should we be doing that we are not?

We've done absolutely nothing. That's not acceptable.

They have instituted all kinds of security measures at the schools around here. I'm not saying what they've come up with will be 100% effective in stopping a school shooting but to say that absolutely nothing has been done is not accurate.

 

[tommyGunZ]

I didnt watch it, but what should we be doing that we are not?

We've done absolutely nothing. That's not acceptable.

So, no answer, just #####ing about it? I see.

Do you think doing nothing is acceptable?

 

[Cjw_55106]

I didnt watch it, but what should we be doing that we are not?

We've done absolutely nothing. That's not acceptable.

So, no answer, just #####ing about it? I see.

Do you think doing nothing is acceptable?

I dont agree that "nothing" has been done.

 

[StrikeS2k]

I didnt watch it, but what should we be doing that we are not?

We've done absolutely nothing. That's not acceptable.

So, no answer, just #####ing about it? I see.

Do you think doing nothing is acceptable?

I know that they requested, and I assume were granted, an on campus police officer. The new school has additional security measures built in to it. What else do you want them to do? Guns aren't going away so it's likely this will happen again unfortunately. That's the price for living in a free society.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

I didnt watch it, but what should we be doing that we are not?

We've done absolutely nothing. That's not acceptable.

So, no answer, just #####ing about it? I see.

Do you think doing nothing is acceptable?

Maybe, if there is nothing to do that could be reasonably expected to prevent these things. So why don't you answer his question?

And it's not really true that nothing has been done. My daughter has been in two schools over the past several years, and they both have taken some measures as a response.

 

[tommyGunZ]

I didnt watch it, but what should we be doing that we are not?

We've done absolutely nothing. That's not acceptable.

So, no answer, just #####ing about it? I see.

Do you think doing nothing is acceptable?

I know that they requested, and I assume were granted, an on campus police officer. The new school has additional security measures built in to it. What else do you want them to do? Guns aren't going away so it's likely this will happen again unfortunately. That's the price for living in a free society.

I didnt watch it, but what should we be doing that we are not?

We've done absolutely nothing. That's not acceptable.

So, no answer, just #####ing about it? I see.

Do you think doing nothing is acceptable?

I dont agree that "nothing" has been done.

What systemic changes have we made?

 

[StrikeS2k]

What systemic changes have we made?

Colorado, where I live, passed a bunch of ill advised gun restriction laws. Happy now?

 

[Cjw_55106]

Again, what changes do you want to see that hasnt happened? I know I cant get into my kid's school without being buzzed in. I guess Ive never been strip searched.

 

[tommyGunZ]

What systemic changes have we made?

Colorado, where I live, passed a bunch of ill advised gun restriction laws. Happy now?

Not surprised that Colorado is taking action at the state level since we are too cowardly to take this issue on on the federal level.

It shouldn't take a Columbine or an Aurora in every state in order to force action.

 

[Clifford]

I didnt watch it, but what should we be doing that we are not?

Ohhhh

Federal research dollars for grants to create reliable smart-gun technology

Stiffer penalties for gun-owners whose guns are used in the commission of a crime

Stiffer penalties for gun-owners whose guns are used in fatal accidents

Stiffer penalties for gun-owners whose guns are used by minors without permits

No more loopholes on bg checks of any kind, no matter how or where guns are sold

Mandatory crisis management training for gun owners

More expansive bg checks including finding out if gun purchasers are on medications which can affect their mental state

Mandates for gun safety measures for firearm manufacturers

Repeal of open carry laws

Repeal of SYG laws

Stiffer penalties for full-auto mods

Stricter prohibitions against civilians owning military-grade ammo and guns (armor-piercing bullets, anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons)

Federal probes into interactions between Alex, NRA and politicians

Federal probes into influence of Alex/NRA over state laws concerning firearms

just off the top of my head

 

[tommyGunZ]

Again, what changes do you want to see that hasnt happened? I know I cant get into my kid's school without being buzzed in. I guess Ive never been strip searched.

What changes have been made on the Federal level since Sandy Hook?

 

[StrikeS2k]

What systemic changes have we made?

Colorado, where I live, passed a bunch of ill advised gun restriction laws. Happy now?

Not surprised that Colorado is taking action at the state level since we are too cowardly to take this issue on on the federal level.

It shouldn't take a Columbine or an Aurora in every state in order to force action.

So I'm safe now, right? You can guarantee me that we won't have another Columbine, right?

 

[Cjw_55106]

Again, what changes do you want to see that hasnt happened? I know I cant get into my kid's school without being buzzed in. I guess Ive never been strip searched.

What changes have been made on the Federal level since Sandy Hook?

So changes have been made, just not where you want them made?

 

[StrikeS2k]

Again, what changes do you want to see that hasnt happened? I know I cant get into my kid's school without being buzzed in. I guess Ive never been strip searched.

What changes have been made on the Federal level since Sandy Hook?

You have yet to offer up one solution of any type, but in particular one that would prevent this from happening again.

 

[tommyGunZ]

What systemic changes have we made?

Colorado, where I live, passed a bunch of ill advised gun restriction laws. Happy now?

Not surprised that Colorado is taking action at the state level since we are too cowardly to take this issue on on the federal level.

It shouldn't take a Columbine or an Aurora in every state in order to force action.

So I'm safe now, right? You can guarantee me that we won't have another Columbine, right?

Huh? Is that what the supporters of those restrictions said? I would love to see a link to those guarantees.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Again, what changes do you want to see that hasnt happened? I know I cant get into my kid's school without being buzzed in. I guess Ive never been strip searched.

What changes have been made on the Federal level since Sandy Hook?

So changes have been made, just not where you want them made?

The addition of a security guard at Sandy Hook elementary school doesn't move the needle, IMO.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Again, what changes do you want to see that hasnt happened? I know I cant get into my kid's school without being buzzed in. I guess Ive never been strip searched.

What changes have been made on the Federal level since Sandy Hook?

You have yet to offer up one solution of any type, but in particular one that would prevent this from happening again.

this thread has been Gunzed Down.

 

[StrikeS2k]

Again, what changes do you want to see that hasnt happened? I know I cant get into my kid's school without being buzzed in. I guess Ive never been strip searched.

What changes have been made on the Federal level since Sandy Hook?

So changes have been made, just not where you want them made?

The addition of a security guard at Sandy Hook elementary school doesn't move the needle, IMO.

Maybe we could hire a security guard for every child in school. That could also help combat truancy and unemployment!!!!

 

[StrikeS2k]

What systemic changes have we made?

Colorado, where I live, passed a bunch of ill advised gun restriction laws. Happy now?

Not surprised that Colorado is taking action at the state level since we are too cowardly to take this issue on on the federal level.

It shouldn't take a Columbine or an Aurora in every state in order to force action.

So I'm safe now, right? You can guarantee me that we won't have another Columbine, right?

Huh? Is that what the supporters of those restrictions said? I would love to see a link to those guarantees.

No, they made the same generalizations that you do. But hey, at least we did something, right?

 

[Cjw_55106]

Im confused...did our society choose to act or not? It seems like we did, but someone keeps insisting we havent.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Again, what changes do you want to see that hasnt happened? I know I cant get into my kid's school without being buzzed in. I guess Ive never been strip searched.

What changes have been made on the Federal level since Sandy Hook?

You have yet to offer up one solution of any type, but in particular one that would prevent this from happening again.

this thread has been Gunzed Down.

I have my own opinion as to solutions that would be beneficial, but I'm more interested in why some folks are apparently ok with the status quo after our kids are gunned down in schools year after year.

4 diplomats killed by thugs in Benghazi? Years of outrage.

20 elementary school kids gunned down in Newtown Connecticut? "Sucks" + a shrug.

 

[Cjw_55106]

How many people have to say it? CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE. Since changes have been made, that is, by definition, not that status quo.

 

[Dickies]

Watched this episode, and was seriously in tears after the Sandy Hook part. What really stood out is how the NRA fights even the most common sense gun laws that the vast majority of people in this country (gun owners included) agree with.

 

[StrikeS2k]

I have my own opinion as to solutions that would be beneficial, but I'm more interested in why some folks are apparently ok with the status quo after our kids are gunned down in schools year after year.

4 diplomats killed by thugs in Benghazi? Years of outrage.

20 elementary school kids gunned down in Newtown Connecticut? "Sucks" + a shrug.

I don't shrug when things like this happen. It's a terrible tragedy. At the same time, I realize that percentage wise this is actually very rare. The chances of YOUR child being involved in something like this at miniscule, at MOST. It's like people who are afraid of flying. They'll get in to a car, with a much higher risk of accident, without thinking twice but they freak out getting on a plane. It's an irrational fear. And I don't think we need to militarize schools and movie theatres due to very rare, isolated incidents. I realize that living in a free society comes with certain compromises. We should do what we can to minimize/eliminate these types of incidents, within reason. We should also acknowledge that the chances of eliminating these incidents altogether is not likely going to happen. So, when they do, we look for what we can do better but if we don't find anything we don't have a hissy fit like you are. Sometimes bad things just happen. There is evil in the world and nothing is going to change that.

 

[Clifford]

Here's something though: recently read about a 29-y-o mother killed by her two-year old who reached into her purse and ended up shooting her dead. Tons of cases like this happen every year.

This woman lived in a small town. Very little crime. Was just going to Wal-Mart.

Who or what convinced her that to survive her trip to Wal-Mart she had to pack heat? While having a young child with her.

Had this woman not been convinced of her need to pack heat to survive a trip to Wal-Mart, she would still be alive and her child would still have a mother.

Yes there is evil in the world. A majority of it is caused by fear. Fear motivated her to bring a gun to WalMart. And now she is dead.

 

[StrikeS2k]

Here's something though: recently read about a 29-y-o mother killed by her two-year old who reached into her purse and ended up shooting her dead. Tons of cases like this happen every year.

This woman lived in a small town. Very little crime. Was just going to Wal-Mart.

Who or what convinced her that to survive her trip to Wal-Mart she had to pack heat? While having a young child with her.

Had this woman not been convinced of her need to pack heat to survive a trip to Wal-Mart, she would still be alive and her child would still have a mother.

Yes there is evil in the world. A majority of it is caused by fear. Fear motivated her to bring a gun to WalMart. And now she is dead.

People don't necessarily carry a gun out of fear. And that story had it's own thread here.

 

[Clifford]

What would be a reason for carrying a gun other than fear of being attacked? Especially to a Wal-Mart, concealed in a purse?

 

[StrikeS2k]

What would be a reason for carrying a gun other than fear of being attacked? Especially to a Wal-Mart, concealed in a purse?

Ask her.

 

[General Malaise]

I didnt watch it, but what should we be doing that we are not?

We've done absolutely nothing. That's not acceptable.

They're building a new, better school. What more do you want?

Ugh.

 

[Courtjester]

I have my own opinion as to solutions that would be beneficial, but I'm more interested in why some folks are apparently ok with the status quo after our kids are gunned down in schools year after year.

4 diplomats killed by thugs in Benghazi? Years of outrage.

20 elementary school kids gunned down in Newtown Connecticut? "Sucks" + a shrug.

I don't shrug when things like this happen. It's a terrible tragedy. At the same time, I realize that percentage wise this is actually very rare. The chances of YOUR child being involved in something like this at miniscule, at MOST. It's like people who are afraid of flying. They'll get in to a car, with a much higher risk of accident, without thinking twice but they freak out getting on a plane. It's an irrational fear. And I don't think we need to militarize schools and movie theatres due to very rare, isolated incidents. I realize that living in a free society comes with certain compromises. We should do what we can to minimize/eliminate these types of incidents, within reason. We should also acknowledge that the chances of eliminating these incidents altogether is not likely going to happen. So, when they do, we look for what we can do better but if we don't find anything we don't have a hissy fit like you are. Sometimes bad things just happen. There is evil in the world and nothing is going to change that.

I am not a gun owner, but I have to agree with this. You can't stop crazy. You can put all the gun laws in effect you want and all it takes is for someone to snap and bad things happen. Down the way several miles, a few years ago, a guy (normal, law abiding professional guy who lawfully owned his pistol) found out his wife was filing for divorce. He shot and killed his kid because he, in his rationale, didn't want his little son to go thru the divorce, shot his wife in the front yard several times (thought she was dead, but she survived) and then burned the house down with him and his dead kid inside.

Tell me what law could have been put in place to stop this?

Tell me what law would have stopped Lanza at Sandy Hook? He couldn't legally possess a handgun so no background check would have caught him. He killed a person who lawfully owned their guns and took them--so there is nothing that could stop that.. He had multiple 30 round magazines that he changed out during the shooting. so banning hi-capacity mags wouldn't have done any good. He reloaded. The school had a security system in place where you had to be buzzed in. He shot through the door. The police got there within 5 minutes.

I have two daughters, the shooting sickens me, but I also understand that life carries with it risks. As was mentioned above. I had probably a 1000% higher chance of my daughter dying this morning in the car, then her getting shot at her school. Unless you are calling for a complete ban on every single gun in the world and a death sentence to people who are found possessing a gun, there are zero laws that would have stopped this.

I get it, bad things happen. We don't want them to happen, but you can't just argue from a position of emotion. You have to realize facts.

 

[General Malaise]

Mandatory background checks at gun shows?

 

[tommyGunZ]

Im confused...did our society choose to act or not? It seems like we did, but someone keeps insisting we havent.

Someone should break the news to the Sandy Hook/VaTech/GabbyGiffords/Columbine family's and surviving victims. They are apparently not aware of all the changes.

 

[Courtjester]

What would be a reason for carrying a gun other than fear of being attacked? Especially to a Wal-Mart, concealed in a purse?

I don't know why she had a gun--a stalker? A jilted abusive boyfriend? Maybe she was just paranoid about Obama taking her guns? Who knows?

But the fact of the matter is she was an extremely educated person with a great job as I understand (nuclear scientist or something). She passed all the tests to get her weapon and passed the concealed weapon background check and test. Again she obeyed all the requirements that were put in place. But she was stupid and didn't have the safety on and kept a bullet in the chamber ready to go--which are both no/nos when it comes to owning a firearm--especially around kids.

Again I don't have a dog in this fight, I don't own a gun, can't see a reason to really own one and would probably hurt myself if I ever did own one. But think about this, we all go through the routine to obtain a driver's license, study, do road testing, pass an extremely easy test. The number of laws and statutes that govern driving are probably a foot thick here in Colorado, but how many people throw all that out the window the minute they get their license? They text, drink, speed and how many die because of their actions? We have all these regulations in place controlling driving, yet every year hundreds of thousands die on the road and some of them needlessly. What should be done??

 

[Harry Manback]

I didnt watch it, but what should we be doing that we are not?

We've done absolutely nothing. That's not acceptable.

So, no answer, just #####ing about it? I see.

Do you think doing nothing is acceptable?

No, I'd rather ##### and moan about doing something without actually proposing any ideas or adding anything of value.

 

[Joe T]

I didnt watch it, but what should we be doing that we are not?

Just get rid of all the guns... duh. Laws make bad stuff go away.

/thread

 

[Joe T]

I didnt watch it, but what should we be doing that we are not?

Ohhhh

Federal research dollars for grants to create reliable smart-gun technology

Stiffer penalties for gun-owners whose guns are used in the commission of a crime

Stiffer penalties for gun-owners whose guns are used in fatal accidents

Stiffer penalties for gun-owners whose guns are used by minors without permits

No more loopholes on bg checks of any kind, no matter how or where guns are sold

Mandatory crisis management training for gun owners

More expansive bg checks including finding out if gun purchasers are on medications which can affect their mental state

Mandates for gun safety measures for firearm manufacturers

Repeal of open carry laws

Repeal of SYG laws

Stiffer penalties for full-auto mods

Stricter prohibitions against civilians owning military-grade ammo and guns (armor-piercing bullets, anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons)

Federal probes into interactions between Alex, NRA and politicians

Federal probes into influence of Alex/NRA over state laws concerning firearms

just off the top of my head

 

[Fat Nick]

I didnt watch it, but what should we be doing that we are not?

Ohhhh

Federal research dollars for grants to create reliable smart-gun technology

Stiffer penalties for gun-owners whose guns are used in the commission of a crime

Stiffer penalties for gun-owners whose guns are used in fatal accidents

Stiffer penalties for gun-owners whose guns are used by minors without permits

No more loopholes on bg checks of any kind, no matter how or where guns are sold

Mandatory crisis management training for gun owners

More expansive bg checks including finding out if gun purchasers are on medications which can affect their mental state

Mandates for gun safety measures for firearm manufacturers

Repeal of open carry laws

Repeal of SYG laws

Stiffer penalties for full-auto mods

Stricter prohibitions against civilians owning military-grade ammo and guns (armor-piercing bullets, anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons)

Federal probes into interactions between Alex, NRA and politicians

Federal probes into influence of Alex/NRA over state laws concerning firearms

just off the top of my head

I'm firmly for increased gun regulations, but also firmly in the camp that recognizes that no amount of regulation will remove guns from the hands of criminals. I guess I look at your list and I see a lot of things that sound good in theory, and will do a lot to regulate who can LEGALLY buy a gun, but how would any of these honestly prevent a deranged shooter who stole a gun and planned to kill himself after his massacre? i.e. An Adam Lanza situation? Nothing here outside of maybe "smart-gun" technology would stop someone who steals a gun, and isn't really worried about the "after."

 

[lod01]

I didnt watch it, but what should we be doing that we are not?

Eliminating the bad machines before they strike.

 

[tommyGunZ]

I didnt watch it, but what should we be doing that we are not?

OhhhhFederal research dollars for grants to create reliable smart-gun technology

Stiffer penalties for gun-owners whose guns are used in the commission of a crime

Stiffer penalties for gun-owners whose guns are used in fatal accidents

Stiffer penalties for gun-owners whose guns are used by minors without permits

No more loopholes on bg checks of any kind, no matter how or where guns are sold

Mandatory crisis management training for gun owners

More expansive bg checks including finding out if gun purchasers are on medications which can affect their mental state

Mandates for gun safety measures for firearm manufacturers

Repeal of open carry laws

Repeal of SYG laws

Stiffer penalties for full-auto mods

Stricter prohibitions against civilians owning military-grade ammo and guns (armor-piercing bullets, anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons)

Federal probes into interactions between Alex, NRA and politicians

Federal probes into influence of Alex/NRA over state laws concerning firearms

just off the top of my head

I'm firmly for increased gun regulations, but also firmly in the camp that recognizes that no amount of regulation will remove guns from the hands of criminals. I guess I look at your list and I see a lot of things that sound good in theory, and will do a lot to regulate who can LEGALLY buy a gun, but how would any of these honestly prevent a deranged shooter who stole a gun and planned to kill himself after his massacre? i.e. An Adam Lanza situation? Nothing here outside of maybe "smart-gun" technology would stop someone who steals a gun, and isn't really worried about the "after."

You don't think there would be any reduction in gun related deaths if access to guns was more difficult? People are lazy. Obviously some folks will jump through 100 hoops in order to carry out a premeditated action. But undoubtedly some folks won't - by the time they get to hoop #8, they'll say #### it and turn the Playstation back on.

 

[kface]

http://wtop.com/news/2014/05/montgomery-county-store-drops-plans-to-offer-smart-guns/

The gun nuts in this country are well...nuts

What's a child's life when i can get drunk and shoot at beer cans...

 

[Courtjester]

I didnt watch it, but what should we be doing that we are not?

OhhhhFederal research dollars for grants to create reliable smart-gun technology

Stiffer penalties for gun-owners whose guns are used in the commission of a crime

Stiffer penalties for gun-owners whose guns are used in fatal accidents

Stiffer penalties for gun-owners whose guns are used by minors without permits

No more loopholes on bg checks of any kind, no matter how or where guns are sold

Mandatory crisis management training for gun owners

More expansive bg checks including finding out if gun purchasers are on medications which can affect their mental state

Mandates for gun safety measures for firearm manufacturers

Repeal of open carry laws

Repeal of SYG laws

Stiffer penalties for full-auto mods

Stricter prohibitions against civilians owning military-grade ammo and guns (armor-piercing bullets, anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons)

Federal probes into interactions between Alex, NRA and politicians

Federal probes into influence of Alex/NRA over state laws concerning firearms

just off the top of my head

I'm firmly for increased gun regulations, but also firmly in the camp that recognizes that no amount of regulation will remove guns from the hands of criminals. I guess I look at your list and I see a lot of things that sound good in theory, and will do a lot to regulate who can LEGALLY buy a gun, but how would any of these honestly prevent a deranged shooter who stole a gun and planned to kill himself after his massacre? i.e. An Adam Lanza situation? Nothing here outside of maybe "smart-gun" technology would stop someone who steals a gun, and isn't really worried about the "after."

You don't think there would be any reduction in gun related deaths if access to guns was more difficult? People are lazy. Obviously some folks will jump through 100 hoops in order to carry out a premeditated action. But undoubtedly some folks won't - by the time they get to hoop #8, they'll say #### it and turn the Playstation back on.

So answer your own question here. You example is Sandy Hook, what law would have prevented that?

 

[kface]

I didnt watch it, but what should we be doing that we are not?

OhhhhFederal research dollars for grants to create reliable smart-gun technology

Stiffer penalties for gun-owners whose guns are used in the commission of a crime

Stiffer penalties for gun-owners whose guns are used in fatal accidents

Stiffer penalties for gun-owners whose guns are used by minors without permits

No more loopholes on bg checks of any kind, no matter how or where guns are sold

Mandatory crisis management training for gun owners

More expansive bg checks including finding out if gun purchasers are on medications which can affect their mental state

Mandates for gun safety measures for firearm manufacturers

Repeal of open carry laws

Repeal of SYG laws

Stiffer penalties for full-auto mods

Stricter prohibitions against civilians owning military-grade ammo and guns (armor-piercing bullets, anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons)

Federal probes into interactions between Alex, NRA and politicians

Federal probes into influence of Alex/NRA over state laws concerning firearms

just off the top of my head

I'm firmly for increased gun regulations, but also firmly in the camp that recognizes that no amount of regulation will remove guns from the hands of criminals. I guess I look at your list and I see a lot of things that sound good in theory, and will do a lot to regulate who can LEGALLY buy a gun, but how would any of these honestly prevent a deranged shooter who stole a gun and planned to kill himself after his massacre? i.e. An Adam Lanza situation? Nothing here outside of maybe "smart-gun" technology would stop someone who steals a gun, and isn't really worried about the "after."

You don't think there would be any reduction in gun related deaths if access to guns was more difficult? People are lazy. Obviously some folks will jump through 100 hoops in order to carry out a premeditated action. But undoubtedly some folks won't - by the time they get to hoop #8, they'll say #### it and turn the Playstation back on.

So answer your own question here. You example is Sandy Hook, what law would have prevented that?

That kid wouldn't have gotten his hands on an AR-15 in Canada. He would have showed up with a hunting rifle got one shot off and got tackled. As the previous poster said yes some people will work 10 years to get what they need to commit their crime but most won't. You put guns on every corner and in a country that doesn't give a crap about mental health and the poor and bad things are going to happen...way to often.

 

[Fat Nick]

I didnt watch it, but what should we be doing that we are not?

OhhhhFederal research dollars for grants to create reliable smart-gun technology

Stiffer penalties for gun-owners whose guns are used in the commission of a crime

Stiffer penalties for gun-owners whose guns are used in fatal accidents

Stiffer penalties for gun-owners whose guns are used by minors without permits

No more loopholes on bg checks of any kind, no matter how or where guns are sold

Mandatory crisis management training for gun owners

More expansive bg checks including finding out if gun purchasers are on medications which can affect their mental state

Mandates for gun safety measures for firearm manufacturers

Repeal of open carry laws

Repeal of SYG laws

Stiffer penalties for full-auto mods

Stricter prohibitions against civilians owning military-grade ammo and guns (armor-piercing bullets, anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons)

Federal probes into interactions between Alex, NRA and politicians

Federal probes into influence of Alex/NRA over state laws concerning firearms

just off the top of my head

I'm firmly for increased gun regulations, but also firmly in the camp that recognizes that no amount of regulation will remove guns from the hands of criminals. I guess I look at your list and I see a lot of things that sound good in theory, and will do a lot to regulate who can LEGALLY buy a gun, but how would any of these honestly prevent a deranged shooter who stole a gun and planned to kill himself after his massacre? i.e. An Adam Lanza situation? Nothing here outside of maybe "smart-gun" technology would stop someone who steals a gun, and isn't really worried about the "after."

You don't think there would be any reduction in gun related deaths if access to guns was more difficult? People are lazy. Obviously some folks will jump through 100 hoops in order to carry out a premeditated action. But undoubtedly some folks won't - by the time they get to hoop #8, they'll say #### it and turn the Playstation back on.

I see your point, but I'd argue that most of the mass shootings, especially the school ones, were very planned out affairs. These were people who spent a lot of time thinking about what they were going to do and how to inflict maximum damage. I don't think their biggest concern was "how to get a gun."

The Columbine kids started stealing and plotting over a year in advance.

Cho started purchasing guns several months in advance of the VA Tech shootings.

It was postulated that Adam Lanza may have called a radio show and talked about a school shooting a year before Sandy Hook.

These folks weren't just playing COD and thought, "Let's go shoot up a school...." and then later were like, "I'm hungry...nevermind." these were folks who thought about this day and night for likely a very long time. Not being able to legally buy a gun wasn't going to stop them.