Galileo, Newton, Einstein, Sagan.. (2 Viewers)

[joffer]

100 years from now, Carl will be thought of with them

“I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time -- when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness...

 

[AAABatteries]

I'm not so sure - Aristotle, Galileo, Newton.............

Science is a Liar....Sometimes

 

[quick-hands]

100 years from now, Carl will be thought of with them

“I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time -- when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness...

Carl Sagan is a middle of the road astrologer.   Hippocrates is right there with any named above. 

Nicoli tesla may have been the most important  person in the last 200 years.   Stephen hawking is up there.

Buy the books.    Göbeklitepe probably  wasn't the first or only time knowledge  was wiped  out.

Carl was a good guy and fired imagination.    But that's about it.    But in the scope of most lives.  He is top 100

 

[dkp993]

Carl Sagan is a middle of the road astrologer.   Hippocrates is right there with any named above. 

Nicoli tesla may have been the most important  person in the last 200 years.   Stephen hawking is up there.

Buy the books.    Göbeklitepe probably  wasn't the first or only time knowledge  was wiped  out.

Carl was a good guy and fired imagination.    But that's about it.    But in the scope of most lives.  He is top 100

Completely disagree with your Sagan take. While Carl might not have had the impact on science discovery or been as bright as a mind as those others have/were, his ability to communicate very complex topics to the masses in a way the could understand and his impact on future generations because of that can not be understated.  

I do completely agree with you Tesla take.  Doesn’t get near the love he should.  

 

[dkp993]

100 years from now, Carl will be thought of with them

“I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time -- when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness...

Love this quote from Demon Haunted World. Can’t tell you how many times it brought it up over the past 5/6 yrs.  Super prophetic.  

 

[popeye]

Personally I think Maddux, Smoltz, Glavine and Avery were a better rotation; but to each his own.

 

[AAABatteries]

Personally I think Maddux, Smoltz, Glavine and Avery were a better rotation; but to each his own.

Pete Smith!

 

[The General]

100 years from now, Carl will be thought of with them

“I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time -- when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness...

I need an edible and come back to this.

 

[quick-hands]

Personally I think Maddux, Smoltz, Glavine and Avery were a better rotation; but to each his own.

That rotation  was gross.

 

[ekbeats]

 Not even close.

 

[Lehigh98]

"... Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?... Morons."

 

[Sand]

You mean Peter Sagan, right?  Right?!?

 

[rockaction]

That rotation was gross.

The nineties strike zone was grosser. I felt bad for my friend who was a Mets fan. Every pitch Glavine and Maddux threw, he'd say "Not a strike!" and it wouldn't be. Sure enough, the umpires with their "I have my own strike zone" petulance, would raise their right arm every time and widen the plate about six inches on each side, which was plenty enough for two guys who couldn't hit 93 on the gun but had pinpoint control to have HoF careers. 

It was stupid then, was a product of the labor issues the MLB had with its umpire's union, and in retrospect, if you enforced the strike zone like they do now post Sandy Alderson reining in those obese nincompoops, Maddux and Glavine would have gotten lit up in the steroid era. They simply pitched to an empty batter's box. 

Smoltz was a different story altogether. So was Avery in his prime. But the other two?

Gross. 

 

[identikit]

Sagan = media darling

 

[quick-hands]

The nineties strike zone was grosser. I felt bad for my friend who was a Mets fan. Every pitch Glavine and Maddux threw, he'd say "Not a strike!" and it wouldn't be. Sure enough, the umpires with their "I have my own strike zone" petulance, would raise their right arm every time and widen the plate about six inches on each side, which was plenty enough for two guys who couldn't hit 93 on the gun but had pinpoint control to have HoF careers. 

It was stupid then, was a product of the labor issues the MLB had with its umpire's union, and in retrospect, if you enforced the strike zone like they do now post Sandy Alderson reining in those obese nincompoops, Maddux and Glavine would have gotten lit up in the steroid era. They simply pitched to an empty batter's box. 

Smoltz was a different story altogether. So was Avery in his prime. But the other two?

Gross. 

Atlanta  stole smoltz.     Doyle Alexander s 9 wins weren't  worth having  to that guy throw heat 4 twenty years.     I'm owed.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

Ding, ding, ding . . . (record scratch).

 

[AAABatteries]

The nineties strike zone was grosser. I felt bad for my friend who was a Mets fan. Every pitch Glavine and Maddux threw, he'd say "Not a strike!" and it wouldn't be. Sure enough, the umpires with their "I have my own strike zone" petulance, would raise their right arm every time and widen the plate about six inches on each side, which was plenty enough for two guys who couldn't hit 93 on the gun but had pinpoint control to have HoF careers. 

It was stupid then, was a product of the labor issues the MLB had with its umpire's union, and in retrospect, if you enforced the strike zone like they do now post Sandy Alderson reining in those obese nincompoops, Maddux and Glavine would have gotten lit up in the steroid era. They simply pitched to an empty batter's box. 

Smoltz was a different story altogether. So was Avery in his prime. But the other two?

Gross. 

This may be one of the worst takes I’ve ever read on these boards.  Not only is it nonsensical but literally both of those guys pitched most of their years during the steroid era.      

 

[wikkidpissah]

Galileo, Newton, Einstein, Sagan..........Nye, Sajak, Hannity, Lizzo?

 

[identikit]

Sagan was DeGrasse Tyson before DeGrasse Tyson

 

[dkp993]

Sagan was DeGrasse Tyson before DeGrasse Tyson

But better

 

[identikit]

But better

He wasn't in HD



Then again, maybe that's a good thing

 

[identikit]

This guy is on my Mt Rushmore of Sciency Stuff:

How to cook a hot dog

 

[woodstock]

This may be one of the worst takes I’ve ever read on these boards.  Not only is it nonsensical but literally both of those guys pitched most of their years during the steroid era.      

It's not that far off. The strike zone back then was subject to individual enforcement, and Maddux and Glavine, at least in folk lore, often benefitted from it. 

Scorching take from the Atlanta Journal Constitution about Eric Gregg's strike zone the night it happened to Atlanta. 

https://www.ajc.com/sports/further-review-blog/infamous-eric-gregg-game-remains-a-stain-in-braves-playoff-lore/DVGL343IIRH4JKODXHS4QVJVBA/

Moar:

https://www.sporttechie.com/questec-legacy-20-years-strike-zone/

This is really easily researched and written about, and Glavine and Maddux always come up. Hmm...

From NBC Sports, really quickly

https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2011/10/10/maddux-glavine-and-the-wide-strike-zone-of-the-1990s/

And I think it's safe to assume the poster knew that they pitched in the heart of the Steroid Era. 

How's that hot take about a hot take treating you now? 

 

[The Z Machine]

You mean Peter Sagan, right?  Right?!?

Yeah, from Wait Wait.

 

[AAABatteries]

It's not that far off. The strike zone back then was subject to individual enforcement, and Maddux and Glavine, at least in folk lore, often benefitted from it. 

Scorching take from the Atlanta Journal Constitution about Eric Gregg's strike zone the night it happened to Atlanta. 

https://www.ajc.com/sports/further-review-blog/infamous-eric-gregg-game-remains-a-stain-in-braves-playoff-lore/DVGL343IIRH4JKODXHS4QVJVBA/

Moar:

https://www.sporttechie.com/questec-legacy-20-years-strike-zone/

This is really easily researched and written about, and Glavine and Maddux always come up. Hmm...

From NBC Sports, really quickly

https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2011/10/10/maddux-glavine-and-the-wide-strike-zone-of-the-1990s/

And I think it's safe to assume the poster knew that they pitched in the heart of the Steroid Era. 

How's that hot take about a hot take treating you now? 

yeah - 2 of the 24 guys to ever win over 300 games and also pitched to Bonds, Sosa and McGuire regularly would have been shelled during the “steroid era”

GTFO with that garbage - it’s embarrassing

 

[AAABatteries]

Hopefully the reason Woodstock posted - wink, wink - is a mod banned rock for such a horrible take. 

 

[woodstock]

yeah - 2 of the 24 guys to ever win over 300 games and also pitched to Bonds, Sosa and McGuire regularly would have been shelled during the “steroid era”

GTFO with that garbage - it’s embarrassing

Gee, even your own sportswriters said it. 

What's embarrassing is sticking to a hot take when it's been undermined by a quick Google search. 

Nineties strike zone

https://www.reddit.com/r/mlb/comments/1bzp3i/in_honor_of_the_strike_3_call_in_the_rays_game/

 

[woodstock]

Hopefully the reason Woodstock posted - wink, wink - is a mod banned rock for such a horrible take. 

rock is fighting the man currently. We're email pals. He's busy politicking in a new dynasty league of his, probably to his detriment. 

At issue: The word "owner" in fantasy sports. Should it be banned and what is the origin of the movement away from using that word?  

Discuss? 

 

[AAABatteries]

Gee, even your own sportswriters said it. 

What's embarrassing is sticking to a hot take when it's been undermined by a quick Google search. 

Nineties strike zone

https://www.reddit.com/r/mlb/comments/1bzp3i/in_honor_of_the_strike_3_call_in_the_rays_game/

You said they would have been shelled in the steroids era and essentially implied they suck. They are both 300 game winners - the idea that they were good because of the strike zone is one of the most idiotic takes this board has ever seen.  To then pretend this is about one game is beyond disingenuous.   

 

[AAABatteries]

rock is fighting the man currently. We're email pals. He's busy politicking in a new dynasty league of his, probably to his detriment. 

At issue: The word "owner" in fantasy sports. Should it be banned and what is the origin of the movement away from using that word?  

Discuss? 

Fight the power!!!

 

[dkp993]

Did Sagan play baseball in the 90’s?  I don’t remember that on Cosmos.   

 

[Shula-holic]

The nineties strike zone was grosser. I felt bad for my friend who was a Mets fan. Every pitch Glavine and Maddux threw, he'd say "Not a strike!" and it wouldn't be. Sure enough, the umpires with their "I have my own strike zone" petulance, would raise their right arm every time and widen the plate about six inches on each side, which was plenty enough for two guys who couldn't hit 93 on the gun but had pinpoint control to have HoF careers. 

It was stupid then, was a product of the labor issues the MLB had with its umpire's union, and in retrospect, if you enforced the strike zone like they do now post Sandy Alderson reining in those obese nincompoops, Maddux and Glavine would have gotten lit up in the steroid era. They simply pitched to an empty batter's box. 

Smoltz was a different story altogether. So was Avery in his prime. But the other two?

Gross. 

Saw them all many times.  Smoltz had the best "stuff" but Maddux could hit a pin head with his precision and it would have movement getting there.  No doubt his reputation earned him a lot of calls they wouldn't get today.  To me Maddux was a far superior pitcher to Glavine.  Glavine though was a lefty and that offsets some of the differential based on need.  Avery was a short lived guy who had one really good year in 1993.  He never was the same after the strike in 1994 for whatever reason.  Most suspect it was overuse early in his career.  Young pitchers today don't log the type innings he did when he first came up.