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Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (3 Viewers)
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El Floppo
Footballguy
oh yeah... that exchange seems like it holds big implications for what's going on in KL. I don't know that the sparrow has any more dirt- or that any more dirt could actually stick to him at this point... but we'll see.
Really? You don't think the Waif went through the same training? Waif was so much better than Arya in every way and Arya was bleeding out and at that point should have been barely walking.
I loved Arya's story line with The Hound (@ the Red Wedding and killing the soldiers), killing Trant and with Jaqen, but the story line just dragged and dragged and really made me not like her story line at all. Having to watch Terminator 5 and watch Kyle Reese trap the T-Waif in the compactor was just bad. At least the real Kyle Reese died from the fatal wounds and Sarah Conner didn't patch him up with duct tape and Motrin.
Arya could have never gone to Braavos and I feel like she would be in the exact same place right now except with a few more nice kills.
The rest of the episode was good, saved by The Mountain and The Hound. Even Cersei was really good. Always like the interaction between Jamie and Brienne. Jamie and Edmure was passable although the Blackfish dying off camera was another downer. Such a huge build up for basically nothing.
When Cersei asked him to use the little kids to dig up dirt, did they mention exactly who they were doing it on, i.e. did they say the high sparrow? I remember the scene, but not every word of it.
Hang 10
Footballguy
Does anyone else think they are going soft of the violence lately? Waif & blackfish killed off screen and they cut away from the mountain ripping that guy's head off. Old game of thrones not only would have shown the decapitation in all its glory, the shot would have lingered and we'd have seen every ounce of blood pumped out onto the ground.
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Whomper
Footballguy
I choose Violence and the actions of the Mountain right after that was awesome. Cersie delivered that line perfectly. Wiped the smirk right off of lancels face. I loved that scene
Even in the midst of him being brainwashed its pretty crazy how Tommen is basically setting Cersie up to fail by ending the Trials by combat. I truly have no idea what Quybern ? ( her advisor) is referring to with the rumors but I assume we will find out soon.
I was pretty surprised Edmure gave up riverrun like that . What was in it for him aside from being released ? The Blackfish went out like a man . I wish we had more of him.
"You have a keen military mind Pod" was one of the funniest lines of the year IMO. I love Brienne, her heart is always in the right place and she always has massively difficult tasks to try and accomplish.
I have to assume that this entire Arya / Bravvos storyline was just to give her the skills of a faceless man which will come in play down the line. Aside from that, I cant take much out of that storyline. I agree that it was just too hard to suspend belief about her injuries and recovery. A traveling actress healed her from about 5 deep knife plunges , with a twist, to the point where she was running like flojo.
I loved the Hound scene . The brotherhood he ended up with could provide some excitement in the future too.
In its typical GOT formula , we are looking at a probable epic 2nd to last episode with the battle of the Bastards. That seems to be how they do it (blackwater, hardhomme ) I think next week is going to be outstanding television with a surprise . Baelish is either going to save the day or royal screw Sansa/jon.
Looks like Tyrion really blew it on the deal he made with the masters and I wonder how Dany is going to handle him after they get that situation under control. I wonder if the greyjoys show up and come in to play with that battle or maybe that is way too out in left field. Just a thought.
I think last night was a great episode. Final 2 should be kick ### for sure
Even in the midst of him being brainwashed its pretty crazy how Tommen is basically setting Cersie up to fail by ending the Trials by combat. I truly have no idea what Quybern ? ( her advisor) is referring to with the rumors but I assume we will find out soon.
I was pretty surprised Edmure gave up riverrun like that . What was in it for him aside from being released ? The Blackfish went out like a man . I wish we had more of him.
"You have a keen military mind Pod" was one of the funniest lines of the year IMO. I love Brienne, her heart is always in the right place and she always has massively difficult tasks to try and accomplish.
I have to assume that this entire Arya / Bravvos storyline was just to give her the skills of a faceless man which will come in play down the line. Aside from that, I cant take much out of that storyline. I agree that it was just too hard to suspend belief about her injuries and recovery. A traveling actress healed her from about 5 deep knife plunges , with a twist, to the point where she was running like flojo.
I loved the Hound scene . The brotherhood he ended up with could provide some excitement in the future too.
In its typical GOT formula , we are looking at a probable epic 2nd to last episode with the battle of the Bastards. That seems to be how they do it (blackwater, hardhomme ) I think next week is going to be outstanding television with a surprise . Baelish is either going to save the day or royal screw Sansa/jon.
Looks like Tyrion really blew it on the deal he made with the masters and I wonder how Dany is going to handle him after they get that situation under control. I wonder if the greyjoys show up and come in to play with that battle or maybe that is way too out in left field. Just a thought.
I think last night was a great episode. Final 2 should be kick ### for sure
Funkley
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Arya's story arc is only a "deadend" if you aren't interested in seeing her grow up to be one of the biggest badasses in the 7 Kingdoms. She had to crawl through a lot of #### to come out clean on the other end. Plus, she was Arya the whole time which was supposedly impossible. Even Jaquen was impressed.
doowain
Footballguy
If this show has taught us anything, it's that unless you see them die....they could still be alive. Not sure what purpose the Blackfish could still hold by being alive (joining Jon and Sansa?) or why the random soldier would tell Jamie he died in battle...but if they didn't show it maybe it didn't happen?
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doowain
Footballguy
James Daulton
Footballguy
How is she such a badass? The Waif beat her ### repeatedly until Arya was able to get an environmental advantage. I don't see Arya as being able to take on any competent man. Sam would probably give her a run for her money.
packersfan
Footballguy
I would've killed him because I hold him responsible for turning Arya's storyline to chit the last season or so.
Waingro
Footballguy
El Floppo
Footballguy
and I was kind of joking, but really- the whole "bad-###" thing could have come in a goofy rocky-style montage over one or two episodes. I honestly have lost track of how many episodes and seasons she's been there... hwich tells me it's been way too long. I found it really interesting at the start and slowly lost interest as time passed. happy she's moving on.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
Meh.
He never met him. He's not sure he's his. He knows that his usefullness to the Frey's has now ended now that his wife delivered a son.
doowain
Footballguy
Uh, what? Did you not see Edmure's reaction when Jamie suggested that's what he'd do? He cared quite a bit.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
Arya's like Bruce Wayne. She's worked with a number of "experts" in a number of different fields of devotion. That she got her ### kicked is irrelevant. She learned skills and, more importantly....she's shown she can take an ### kicking and still hit back.
I'm not sure what good that does her on the battlefield or in the service of her family, but these last few seasons have given her the ability to get the those harder names to get on The List.
I'm not sure what good that does her on the battlefield or in the service of her family, but these last few seasons have given her the ability to get the those harder names to get on The List.
Major
Footballguy
In the books, High Sparrow has a fondness for little boys and the rumor is that he's currently buggering Tommen.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
Wasn't buying that as a motivator for the character. Good chance the Frey's were going to kill him anyway now that he's sired the legitimate successor to Riverrun who will be nothing more than a Frey puppet.
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shadyridr
Footballguy
The Hound "died" off screen a couple of seasons ago and came back this year. They kill The Blackfish off screen so the writers are left an out if they decide to bring him back for some reason.
Also Edmure and his son would be the last two Tully males alive. Edmure not wanting his family's name to end is probably enough of a reason for him to order the surrender of Riverrun.
Waingro
Footballguy
My only problem with the Arya story was the severity of the initial stabbing. If they made it clearer that it was just a flesh wound, it would have been fine.
Really didn't expect to see Blackfish go out that weakly. Not really sure what the whole Riverrun plot was about other than giving Brienne and Jamie a chance to meet up again. Maybe this sets up a series ending where Edmure is reinstalled as the lord of the castle.
Really didn't expect to see Blackfish go out that weakly. Not really sure what the whole Riverrun plot was about other than giving Brienne and Jamie a chance to meet up again. Maybe this sets up a series ending where Edmure is reinstalled as the lord of the castle.
James Bond
Footballguy
Apparently, Arya wasn't as badly injured by the "stabbing" as we thought. If you listen closely, in the darkness you can hear the following dialog between Arya and the waif:
Arya: I'm getting better.
Waif: No you're not, you'll be stone dead in a moment.
Arya: I feel fine. I think I'll go for a walk.
Waif: You're not fooling anyone, you know.
Arya: I feel happy. I feel happy.
Arya: I'm getting better.
Waif: No you're not, you'll be stone dead in a moment.
Arya: I feel fine. I think I'll go for a walk.
Waif: You're not fooling anyone, you know.
Arya: I feel happy. I feel happy.
Polish Hammer
made of glass
I get that some are complaining about Arya's story arc recently, but I disagree. She had to go through a ton of #### to get to where she is. She learned a lot more since being in Braavos than she had from Syrio and the Hound. She basically has assassin skills now, plus a renewed devotion to her family name, plus her physical skills have grown tremendously (shown by her ability to survive through the whole chase scene with the waif - this wasn't just running through a forest, she was navigating tricky terrain and doing it Jason Bourne-style). She will be an asset when she rejoins with her family. And clearly Jaquen was happy to see her reclaim her name after all the training. Remember, he has known her for a while and probably sees a greater purpose for her in the game.
Also there was mention in a few posts about wishing the dragons destroyed all those ships. That would be counter-productive, IMO. Dany knows she needs ships to get back to Westeros and lo and behold now her city is being attacked by a ####load of them. My guess is she'll want to have some way to commandeer them rather than destroy them since she doesn't know that the Iron Islands folks are on their way with more ships. If she can get both fleets on her side, she'll have quite the set of resources ready to cross the ocean and lay siege to KL.
The Qyburn/Cersei "rumors" intrigued me greatly. His "little birds" are the same as Varys's - the children of the city - so it would be some knowledge that population could somehow be privy to. It could be a ton of things, potentially related to:
Side note - can someone tell me how to do spoiler tags?
Also there was mention in a few posts about wishing the dragons destroyed all those ships. That would be counter-productive, IMO. Dany knows she needs ships to get back to Westeros and lo and behold now her city is being attacked by a ####load of them. My guess is she'll want to have some way to commandeer them rather than destroy them since she doesn't know that the Iron Islands folks are on their way with more ships. If she can get both fleets on her side, she'll have quite the set of resources ready to cross the ocean and lay siege to KL.
The Qyburn/Cersei "rumors" intrigued me greatly. His "little birds" are the same as Varys's - the children of the city - so it would be some knowledge that population could somehow be privy to. It could be a ton of things, potentially related to:
- Dany/Tyrion
- White Walkers
- Starks still alive
- Something up with Sparrow/Tommen
- Baelish playing every side possible
- LSH (don't know how to do spoiler tags but initials should not give anything away - don't google it if you don't want to be spoiled - this is most likely NOT going to happen anyway based on all the info out there in interviews and such)
Side note - can someone tell me how to do spoiler tags?
El Floppo
Footballguy
good points all around. and very good point about the ships- didn't occur to me in my dragon-fire-lust.
Polish Hammer
made of glass
Hmmm...is this right?
El Floppo
Footballguy
shuke
Black Ice Skeptic
Koya
Footballguy
I enjoyed the episode by and large - until the last ten min. The whole Arydestructable pedestrian car chase was just silly. Over the top, utterly unbelievable and way too long.
Until then there were some good plot setups and dialogue, the usual amazing cinematography (although the tent solider city was far more purple in the views from afar than up close, fog or not) and some excitement about big battles to come.
Until then there were some good plot setups and dialogue, the usual amazing cinematography (although the tent solider city was far more purple in the views from afar than up close, fog or not) and some excitement about big battles to come.
Sweet J
Footballguy
Agreed, the rest of the show was interesting and has some nice setups. I know some people in here think that Arya grew her assassin skills, etc., but I thought all her time in Braavos got worse every week. Loved Arya (via her time with The Hound) and Jaqen up until the Terminator got a hard on for killing Arya, which in itself appears to be 100% opposite of the way she should have been acting as no one. Funny that people think Arya in the dark had an advantage. Terminator likely went through the exact same training and was 10x the fighter and Arya was at 10% physical capacity.
The Terminator was able to get the drop on her multiple times, beat the snot out of her every single time they fought, but we are to assume that she is now an ultimate assassin? When has she shown a single ounce of that talent? She can sneak poison into drinks, but she poisoned the guy with oysters at the beginning of her training. I think her being a cold hearted killer/bro of The Hound would have been so much better. I didn't think that when she first got to Braavos, but I do now.
Funkley
Collar: Up
Yet.
Maybe some of you guys should go back to #### that resolves itself every 22 minutes.
ETA: and if you didn't think we saw "any" of that progression then I guess we are watching different shows.
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Right, just because people disagree or have a differing opinion they must not know how to follow this show. LOL, like art snobs telling other people that they just don't understand the symbolism of poop smeared on a canvas. Hey, sometimes #### is just ####. Great show, but Arya is no more of a bad ### now. In fact, I would say she was more of a bad ### on her list than she is now. She got the crap kicked out of her in every way and we've never seen her grow any skills. Oh, when she was blinded, she was so good. Well, no, she got her ### handed to her every time. Heck, just show us one time where she was able to beat the Terminator while blind and her final fight with her becomes believable. She couldn't even beat the girl empty handed. She never really learned any fighting skills, she just got beat up every time.Yet.
Maybe some of you guys should go back to #### that resolves itself every 22 minutes.
ETA: and if you didn't think we saw "any" of that progression then I guess we are watching different shows.
I was quoting before your edit, but please give me some detail on the progression. All I remember progressing was trying to convince people she wasn't Arya anymore and preparing dead people and even on the former, she hadn't really every mastered it. They knew she was still Arya.
Do you think she would be a better fighter if they just let her continue with The Hound? I do.
Foosball God
Foos
Funkley
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Joe T
Footballguy
Agree.
Great scenes with the story moving forward. And completely avoided Sam, Bran, and whatever else I'm forgetting that is boring.
Frostillicus
Footballguy
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
You're basically arguing with a TV show about that TV show. You should fax Benioff and Weiss and tell them that there are actually FOUR dragons, and that Podrick's weiner really isn't that amazing.
Lol. Best you can do? Sorry, Arya's story line has gotten progressively worse and ended in a Michael Bay movie. Do you watch?
packersfan
Footballguy
I enjoyed the final 10 minutes or so of the episode but I admit Arya is one of my favorite characters of the show and I've been waiting (not so patiently) for this storyline to come to an end, for her to kill the Waif and finally get back to Westeros where she truly belongs. I think she's always been the toughest and most bad-### of the Stark children and it didn't surprise me that when push came to shove she put all her skills together when her life depended on her needing them to be relied upon.
But mainly I'm just really happy she's finally going back home and done with a storyline that was really boring the hell out of me.
But mainly I'm just really happy she's finally going back home and done with a storyline that was really boring the hell out of me.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
She beat the Waif. She graduated to a Faceless Man. She turned it down. She's a badass.
the moops
Footballguy
Tons of agreement in here about Arya being the drag on an otherwise good show. You fan boys get ridiculous. How about telling us why Arya's scenes the past few episodes were top notch. All I remember is some montage fighting scenes and a Terminator scene.
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Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
Thunderlips
Footballguy
I don't think it's about how awesome the scenes are as by what, based on the narrative of the show, those scenes accomplished.
