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Game of Thrones, tv only, books don't exist, no backstory...NERDS already ruining a series that hasn't started (2 Viewers)

bostonfred said:
When Rob shark was still alive they attacked the lannisters in two spots.  They sent 2000 men to die against tywin, and sent the rest to fight jamies army and take him captive.   Then robs mom let Jamie go, and rob was pretty mad about that.   Tyrion was with tywin at the time - he had just gotten back from the vale and had a bunch of goat####ers with him who had taken him and brawn captive.  They agreed on a price - armor and weapons - to help tywin in the upcoming battle,  but wouldn't fight unless tyrion did too.  So he got drunk, met the hooker with the weird accent who ####ed him over later,  and in the first five minutes of battle he got knocked out by friendly fire and woke up fine and confused to find out that the real fight was somewhere else.   
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"Shagga is of the opinion that three axes are even better than two."

 
Good Posting Judge said:
Or maybe grab one dude and just swing him into the others?
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How about just having an actual weapon, say like a tree or a long metal pole? He could have smashed a whole side of the enemy with ease. Maybe even knocked the guys shooting arrows at him at the castle. If he had a shield (like the door he knocked down) or thick armor and a sword he could have likely taken out the other army by himself. 

Great episode. Definitely not surprising. We knew the KOTV were coming and we knew that Jon wouldn't listen to Sansa, but that everything she said would happen. We also knew Dany would save the day with dragons and her cheer squad. Didn't matter if we knew what would happen though, just enjoyed the ride. 

 
Rob fighting to get jamie started a lot of bad things in motion.  Jamie killed car starks kid, then car stark killed jamies 2nd nephew in law, so rob had to kill car stark  so the other car starks stopped fighting for him, so he needed Walter frey, who hosted the red wedding, which put Bruce Bolton in control of winterfell, and the car starks fought on his side, and killed the fookin giant.

And really you could go back further to need standing on principle instead of bending a knee for joffrey, which basically got one daughter raped and killed, his daughter in law, future grandson and his other daughter stabbed in the belly,  his wife's throat slit, his entire town slaughtered and tortured to death, all his sons killed, and oh by the way might have contributed to the end of the world.  

The moral to the story obviously being #### your principles take the easy road.  

 
bostonfred said:
Rob fighting to get jamie started a lot of bad things in motion.  Jamie killed car starks kid, then car stark killed jamies 2nd nephew in law, so rob had to kill car stark  so the other car starks stopped fighting for him, so he needed Walter frey, who hosted the red wedding, which put Bruce Bolton in control of winterfell, and the car starks fought on his side, and killed the fookin giant.

And really you could go back further to need standing on principle instead of bending a knee for joffrey, which basically got one daughter raped and killed, his daughter in law, future grandson and his other daughter stabbed in the belly,  his wife's throat slit, his entire town slaughtered and tortured to death, all his sons killed, and oh by the way might have contributed to the end of the world.  

The moral to the story obviously being #### your principles take the easy road.  
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His principles would have been fine if Littlefinger didn't betray him.

The "easy road" is that which you see in people like Ramsay. That didn't end well.

 
Jon used a Mormont shield to deflect Ramsay's three shots. Which means one of Lyanna Mormont's 62 men made it through the battle to inside Winterfell. 

 
Very little separates them IMO.

1. Hardhomme - First time we see WWs in earnest. Really is a HS moment.

2. Blackwater - What did it for me was the opening salvo of the wildfire. See this on a big TV and a kickass sound system and you'll never forget it.

3. Wall - Plays out over an entire episode. Giants, huge arrows, chains buried in ice, oil barrels. Awesome.

4. Bastards - Great battle. As others said, Jon being trampled and buried took my breath away too. Maybe a little too predictable. Might have been better if we had never seen Sansa send the note?

 
Tyrion forshadowed KL being burned down with his conversation with the Mother of Dragons last night fwiw.  

I liked the Mountain Vs. Viper battle scene best.

 Blackwater was the best of the four mentioned so far imo. It was also epic in the book with Tyrion pulling the strings.

 
bostonfred said:
Rob fighting to get jamie started a lot of bad things in motion.  Jamie killed car starks kid, then car stark killed jamies 2nd nephew in law, so rob had to kill car stark  so the other car starks stopped fighting for him, so he needed Walter frey, who hosted the red wedding, which put Bruce Bolton in control of winterfell, and the car starks fought on his side, and killed the fookin giant.

And really you could go back further to need standing on principle instead of bending a knee for joffrey, which basically got one daughter raped and killed, his daughter in law, future grandson and his other daughter stabbed in the belly,  his wife's throat slit, his entire town slaughtered and tortured to death, all his sons killed, and oh by the way might have contributed to the end of the world.  

The moral to the story obviously being #### your principles take the easy road.  
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Seriously, thank you, I had completely lost track of this and how everyone ended up on which side.

 
PIK95 said:
Tyrion forshadowed KL being burned down with his conversation with the Mother of Dragons last night fwiw.  

I liked the Mountain Vs. Viper battle scene best.

 Blackwater was the best of the four mentioned so far imo. It was also epic in the book with Tyrion pulling the strings.
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***BREAKING***

 
CBusAlex said:
IIRC, Cersei gave Littlefinger the go-ahead to take Winterfell last season, thinking the Boltons had betrayed her by secretly marrying Sansa to Ramsey.
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So the fly's invited the spider to the party. Wonder how Jon and Sansa get out of this.

 
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PIK95 said:
I'm not sure he realized he was being shot at.  That would explain his line.
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pizza line? 

IIRC, rickon starts walking, and then sees ramsay slowly pick up a bow- at that point he starts running. also sees the first couple of arrows land close-by. but my memory sucks- even a day later.

 
Spoiler thought, an old one but new one:

So, did we "see" three bastards last night? Ramsay, Jon Snow, and Ramsay's baby inside Sansa? Will Ramsay's family name live on or what? If Sansa is preggo, will he look like a Bolton or a Stark?
 
Mario Kart said:
Spoiler thought, an old one but new one:

So, did we "see" three bastards last night? Ramsay, Jon Snow, and Ramsay's baby inside Sansa? Will Ramsay's family name live on or what? If Sansa is preggo, will he look like a Bolton or a Stark?
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Hint:  Sansa and Ramsey were married.

 
Good Posting Judge said:
Ramsay lets Rickon go, and I'm almost 100% sure that he could not have been 100% sure that he was going to nail him with an arrow. He missed 3 times before, and Jon nearly grabbed him and spirited him out of range.




 
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He didn't need to be 100% sure. If he'd kept missing, oh well, no harm, it was worth a shot.

The idea that Ramsay needed Rickon dead was true only if Ramsay ended up winning the battle -- in which case Rickon's death would be a cinch even if all the arrows had missed. If Ramsey had lost the battle, Rickon's survival (and claim to Winterfell) would be of no concern to Ramsey because Ramsey would be dead.

The upside of letting Rickon run was that it may lure John into charging. There was no real downside. It was a freeroll.

 
Maurile Tremblay said:
He didn't need to be 100% sure. If he'd kept missing, oh well, no harm, it was worth a shot.

The idea that Ramsay needed Rickon dead was true only if Ramsay ended up winning the battle -- in which case Rickon's death would be a cinch even if all the arrows had missed. If Ramsey had lost the battle, Rickon's survival (and claim to Winterfell) would be of no concern to Ramsey because Ramsey would be dead.

The upside of letting Rickon run was that it may lure John into charging. There was no real downside. It was a freeroll.
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Safe to say Ramsay was missing on purpose the first 3 times. The whole point was to lure Jon in and then kill Rickon and piss Jon off so he'd charge in further where Ramsay's archers and/or soldiers could cut him down. Ramsay was counting on the fact he could get inside Jon's head and play on his emotions and it worked. Jon's a great warrior but a master general he ain't. 

 
Maurile Tremblay said:
He didn't need to be 100% sure. If he'd kept missing, oh well, no harm, it was worth a shot.

The idea that Ramsay needed Rickon dead was true only if Ramsay ended up winning the battle -- in which case Rickon's death would be a cinch even if all the arrows had missed. If Ramsey had lost the battle, Rickon's survival (and claim to Winterfell) would be of no concern to Ramsey because Ramsey would be dead.

The upside of letting Rickon run was that it may lure John into charging. There was no real downside. It was a freeroll.
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So you're saying there's no chance that they'd just spirit away a traumatized child to somewhere safer right before a massive battle is supposed to take place? A dude on a horse could bust ### outta there and get him somewhere sympathetic to the Starks by the time the battle had ended, and by the time someone thought to put together a search party.

That was a helluva shot, btw. Did ramsay have max. 99 bow skills?

 
Good Posting Judge said:
So you're saying there's no chance that they'd just spirit away a traumatized child to somewhere safer right before a massive battle is supposed to take place? A dude on a horse could bust ### outta there and get him somewhere sympathetic to the Starks by the time the battle had ended, and by the time someone thought to put together a search party.

That was a helluva shot, btw. Did ramsay have max. 99 bow skills?
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The burning flayed men on the field were range markers, he knew he could make the shot. Plus, remember he likes to play games, he was getting off on that. The first three shots weren't even serious efforts if you watch again. 

 
When they met up on the battle field day before..I was really expecting Ramsey's first question to Sansa to be:

"How did you survive that jump off the wall?"

 
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