Andy Hicks
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Game Thread - Atlanta@Philadelphia (1 Viewer)
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bostonfred
Footballguy
Vick may be the best player in the league. He will certainly be the best player on the field next weekend.
B Maverick
Footballguy
I believe they showed a graphic saying that Philly cut their yards per game against ave from 131 to 86 in week 9 after Trotter moved to MLB. I think they will give ATL a rough time on the rush. Plus Vick is not a great passer so they can concentrate on containing him and let the DBs play man to man.Vick is not the best player, most athletic maybe. Not the best, esp at QB.
their points scored & allowed.
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Falcons (16th offense, 13th defense) 16+13 = 29
Eagles (7th offense, 1st defense) 7+1 = 8
Translation: The Falcons won 11 games with smoke and mirrors. The Eagles are legit.
Offensive/Defensive Efficienies:
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O:Falcons 4992 yards, 314 points = 15.90
D:Falcons 4954 yards, 309 points = 16.03
O:Eagles 5398 yards, 376 points = 14.36
D:Eagles 4807 yards, 222 points = 21.65
*includes week 17
Translation: The Eagles are better on both sides of the ball. Teams that are more efficient than their opponent on both sides of the ball in conference title games are 10-2 and in the super bowl they are 7-0 since 1990. 17-2. The two losses are the 98 Vikings to the Falcons, and the 03 Eagles to the Panthers. One can make the case that since the Eagles were in fact one of those two chokers, I should discount this. But I won't.
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Ints-Ints Thrown
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Falcons 18-15 = +3
Eagles 17-8 = +11
Eagles hold an edge here as well.
Pick: Eagles
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Falcons (16th offense, 13th defense) 16+13 = 29
Eagles (7th offense, 1st defense) 7+1 = 8
Translation: The Falcons won 11 games with smoke and mirrors. The Eagles are legit.
Offensive/Defensive Efficienies:
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O:Falcons 4992 yards, 314 points = 15.90
D:Falcons 4954 yards, 309 points = 16.03
O:Eagles 5398 yards, 376 points = 14.36
D:Eagles 4807 yards, 222 points = 21.65
*includes week 17
Translation: The Eagles are better on both sides of the ball. Teams that are more efficient than their opponent on both sides of the ball in conference title games are 10-2 and in the super bowl they are 7-0 since 1990. 17-2. The two losses are the 98 Vikings to the Falcons, and the 03 Eagles to the Panthers. One can make the case that since the Eagles were in fact one of those two chokers, I should discount this. But I won't.
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Ints-Ints Thrown
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Falcons 18-15 = +3
Eagles 17-8 = +11
Eagles hold an edge here as well.
Pick: Eagles
falconeyed
Footballguy
Atlanta wins games with a ground game and defense. Nothing special. ATL 30 - PHI 20
Preacher 1
Footballguy
Outside on a field that negates quickness, Philly wins by 10. Better QB, better RB, better defense and home field...not to mention they've been in this position for a few years. This time they crack through and the Falcons go home...
Johnny Ice
Footballguy
I don't think so, Westbrook keeps his quickness at the Linc why can't Vick or Dunn
Football Jones
Footballguy
This will be an interesting game. I'll take ATL & the points if it's more than 3. As far as who wins the game...it's a toss-up, IMO.
PHILLYHAWK
Footballguy
EAGLES 31FALCONS 10
BigActionMike
Footballguy
GO BIRDS....What was minnesota's rushing rank? I thought they were pretty good, and they looked very mediocre today.... most importantly, an obviously better passer in culpepper(with better receivers) fell victim to Johnson's Defensive plan... he was not comfortable throwing and looked like mcnabb three years ago....The falcons are a good team, I just don't know that they are capable of beating the real "birds"!!! Should be a good game though...
Preacher 1
Footballguy
I don't think that quickness was a factor in today's game, it was the way that they used Westbrook. He didn't break anything due to his quickness that I recall...I think that familiarity playing in the elements makes a huge difference this time of year. Dome teams just don't do well in the playoffs when they're not at home...
RedRaiders
Mr. +EV
Will Vick throw for more then 100 yards? Is there a more overrated QB in the game then Michael? Both teams showed limited rust and the Eagles left plenty of points on the field today. It'll be interesting to see how Mora does on the road, outside in the cold for a big playoff game like this. The Eagles have already faced Vick/Dunn in the playoffs before - and this team is just as good defensively. Has Dunn ever faired well against the Eagles? He was invisible whenever they played the Bucs in the playoffs and I know he was on the team the eagles beat 2 years ago as well.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
The only number that matters is points allowed. Philly tied for 2nd and that's only because they didn't play their starters in week 17 and allowed 38 points.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
, Sorry Fred but I'll have to disagree with you there. I'd take Donovan McNabb to lead my team over Mike Vick.Another dome team going outdoors and they will lose.
Both conferences feature the top 2 seeds in their title games. This has occured 5 previous times in the past 14 seasons:1990, 1991, 1994, 1998, 2002Both home teams one only once - in 1991. The Bills beat the Broncos 10-7, and the Redskins beat the Lions 41-10.The #1 seeds in each conference have met in the super bowl only twice in the last 14 years - 1991 and 1993. The Bills lost both - to the Redskins 37-24 and then to the Cowboys 30-13.
hydroxybear
Footballguy
I like the stat. I'll be pulling for the Birds and Pats here.
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joffer
Footballguy
I'd like to pick the Falcons, and I'll be pulling for them, but I think they come up a little short.They should have moderate success running against Philly, but I think the Eagles front 7 will chase Vick all over the place. He'll break a few runs here and there, but mostly he'll get tired, or possibly nicked up. Crumpler will catch a TD, but the receivers will be a non-factor.The Eagles are a better team overall. Westbrook will be the difference maker again.Philly 30Atlanta 24
Cocky Crow
Footballguy
Anyone know what the early spread for this game is??? I would say the Eagles have to be close to a touchdown favorite, no?? (6?)Here's my take for what its worth. Atlanta has NO passing game, and the Eagles will have lots of 8 or even 9 man fronts, allowing for one-on-ones on the outsides, just daring the falcons to throw. As long as special teams are held in check, the falcons will have a hard time scoring.Eagles, finally, waltz into the Super Bowl. Our country's favorite symbol 27, eagles-wanna-be's 10.
mcnabbmcnow
Footballguy
Misleading stat on the run offense. Without Vick running, the Falcons are not a great running team. Philly hasn't given up more than 41 yds to a QB running in years. This is also on grass outdoors.
mcnabbmcnow
Footballguy
Eagles 20 Atlanta 13
Preacher 1
Footballguy
They didn't, the Purple Clad Clowns were seeded lower than the Rams...
E-A-G-L-E-S
Footballguy
wadegarrett
FFA Legend™
Atlanta 31Philadelphia 30
BigActionMike
Footballguy
Finneran or Michael Jenkins play a bigger role in this game... I know it sounds retahded, but big WR#2/3 typically do well against the EAGLES, Vick will definitely be able to exploit this matchup a FEW times by buying time in the backfield... A couple of long pass plays to either of those guys can change the game...I also believe Falcons are going to lean on DUckett moreso than in the last game, they will look at game film on Steelers and see how a big bruising back gets good yards against the birds... the key to the game for the falcons will be the Oline, if they run away from Trotter, and provide some running room for TJ, they have a chance. I don't think they can trust M. Vick to win the game for them as a "one man show"If I were REID, I would certainly run a little more against the Falcons... the birds line doesn't get near the credit they deserve... not to detract from the falcons D, but they would stand up to this line after 3 quarters of hard running. But, we'll never get to test that theory, Falcons will need strong defensive play from their nickel and dime backs....
Fantasy Man
Footballguy
Warrick Dunn is the engine to the Falcons offense, not Vick. And the Eagles have owned Dunn throughout his career. As far as Duckett, I will acknowledge that bruising backs have had their way with Philly, but with Duckett many people confuse big with tough. Duckett is big but hardly tough. He's not going to pose the Eagles new run D (Trotter and Hollis Thomas in prominent roles) any problems. Falcons won't score more than 10 points Sunday. I don't think the Eagles offense is going to score a lot of point either (play the under), but enough to win the game.
Hammered Finz
Footballguy
Eagles "new run D" hasn't been challenged since getting run over by Pittsburgh.. they playin the NFC least, remember? we'll see how they handle a pretty good Falcons running game..
Fantasy Man
Footballguy
Wrong.Here's what the Packers did:A.Green 11 37 3.4 10 0T.Fisher 2 10 5.0 5 0N.Davenport 4 4 1.0 7 0D.Driver 1 -1 -1.0 -1 0 Total 18 50 2.8 10 0Here are Portis' numbers twice:C.Portis 17 37 2.2 13 0C.Portis 23 80 3.5 13 2I know the rebuttal about Portis will be that the Skins have a non-existant passing game. But the Falcons is just as non-existant (82 yards against the Rams??).People who discount the Eagles run defense simply have not watch the Eagles play the second half of the season (minus the games after home-field advantage was clinched). It's a strength now.
Billy Bats
Footballguy
All of you Falcon fans are getting a little too excited about beating a REAL BAD Rams team. Did anyone see what the Eagles did to Culpepper? He was lost and confused all day. Poor Mike Vick won't know what to do next Sunday. Add in Jevon Kearse shadowing him all day, and the Falcons won't put up more than 13 points. Eagles 27Atl 10
Hammered Finz
Footballguy
NFC teams are weak.. I am talking real power running games- Steelers, Pats, Chiefs.. Packers was a nice win, but that was it..Not saying the Falcons will win, but they are the best team the Eagles have faced since the Steelers wuppin...
You can't factor it in. The point is that those stats which you say tell the whole story are skewed so you can't put faith in them. Your thinking that the Eagles are a much better team then is a feeling and has no basis in statistics, so no point spewing on about stats. Others on this board obviously have different feelings.
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