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Game Thread W1 - 2009 - Denver V Cincinnati (1 Viewer)
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crewmember
Footballguy
Kyle Orton is a winner. End of conversation.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Sad. Sad, sad, sad, sad, sad.
bleachercreacher
Footballguy
Couple of questions. Can they add time on the clock after a play has been ran? I didn't think they could. Also, why did they charge the Bengals with a timeout after they reviewed the time?
Buffaloes
Footballguy
Because he intercepted the pass.
Sinrman
Footballguy
Because he was on the field for the hail mary and caught it...
HellToupee
Footballguy
has to be hard to be a Bengal fan
msommer
Footballguy
Pretty interesting to use him as a DB in an obvious Hail Mary situation, just wish my opponent had been using another TE...
Righetti
Footballguy
because Tony Scheffler had an INT..
NajehHejan
Footballguy
How did L Coles look? His box score is pathetic.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Just unbelievable.
And how smart was Stokely to run across the field at the 1 to kill as much time as possible before scoring the TD? Very smart play.
And how smart was Stokely to run across the field at the 1 to kill as much time as possible before scoring the TD? Very smart play.
Courtjester
The Town Drunk
He had some big time drops--something like 4 of them
Chalk one up for the winner.
Courtjester
The Town Drunk
Oh yeah!!Well, I have the Broncos at 4-12 (with a +/-1) and I had this as one of the victories, so it really is hard to excited about anything.The only plus was the defense looked better.
Verbal Kint
Footballguy
Well, the bad news is that the bengals got hosed on a fluke play, that would have never happened but for the curious adding back of 0:18 to the clock for no reason whatsoever.
The good news is that we can now end this silly debate of whether Anthony Collins is an adequate replacement for Andre Smith.
The good news is that we can now end this silly debate of whether Anthony Collins is an adequate replacement for Andre Smith.
There was 41 seconds on the clock before the Cincinnati touchdow. I know Benson isn't the fastest back in th league, but it doesn't take him 21 seconds to run 1 yard. 3 seconds sounds about right. The home town clock operator tried to sneak a fast one by and got caught. The right call was made.
That one they screwed the Bengals on IMO. The ref said it was because of the review, but all reviews have to come from the booth when there is under 2 minutes left, so I don't think they should have charged a time out. Doesn't matter, they wouldn't have been able to use it anyway.
Cecil_Pooples
Footballguy
His play was worse than the line indicated.Caldwell is a better WR.
And with that unbelievable play, I just got knocked out of my main league's survivor pick 'em ($5/team). Ugh.. why did I have to get all cute and pick Cinncy against a woeful Denver team, and not just go with the sure-fire 'Aints???
ChargersOH
Footballguy
This was really a terribly officiated game. I was watching one play where the DB had 2 handfuls of shirt on one of the WRs. He ended up short of his route, and one of the announcers said 'great coverage!'. I was laughing.The Bengals outplayed Denver all game, but this sort of thing happens with drops, turnovers, and missed red zone scoring. Coles is a very poor substitute for the sure handed Housh. Benson is a terrible blocker. They both are weak links for the Bengals, although Benson did run decently.I expect the Bengals to be a decent team. I think Denver should celebrate this win, because I don't see them winning 3 more games all year unless they are a lot better team than they showed today.I'm also confused by the fact I thought this was a booth review. They added 20 seconds on to the clock. I'd love some clarification on that.
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
As a Bengals fan, the only issue with the adding the 18 seconds back was that it should've happened before the extra point. The clock had like 41 seconds on it when they ran the first down play for a touchdown. I'm pissed at the ending, but not because of that. In a twisted way I'd have preferred if the offense had just screwed it up - that would've been appropriate. Here the defense makes a good play and gets a bad bounce. All of a sudden the defense looks a heckuva lot better and now the offense blows up again and again. Bottom line is we lost to a team that I think will probably win like 2 more games this year. I'll reserve final judgment until after the Packers game (if they can find a way to win that - and no, I'm not optimistic - it will demonstrate a new-found grit and determination).I actually felt good starting from the point that got the sack to knock the Broncos out of field goal range - more because I thought we had met our match in bad play-calling and inappropriate time-out and clock management in the Broncos. When they didn't go up 9-0 I really thought we could something, mainly because I had seen my team do it so many times themselves and knew that look. The Bengals suddenly moving the ball pretty much at will on the Broncos defense further heightened that sense. But sometimes, even if you miss your foot that you are aiming at, an anvil comes crashing down on your head from another direction I guess. *sigh*By the way, you're gonna see a lot of bad end-of-game management out of the Broncos this year - that seems certain.-QG
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
this.Two revelations today: Andre Caldwell is going to develop into a good complementary receiver at the least. He is the rightful heir to Hou$h in my opinion. Coles was shockingly bad today. Maybe it was just a bad day (I have to hope) but the way he was today, Palmer will stop looking for him if he keeps that up.-QG
But Caldwell's a Florida WR, and everyone knows that Florida WRs never amount to anything...
bleachercreacher
Footballguy
They should've added the time back on the clock, but you cannot review the play after the next play was ran can you? Even with that, why did they charge the Bengals with a timeout? They added time back and charged them with a timeout because of it. This game was horribly officiated both ways all day and the ending just capped it off.
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
I agree that I don't understand the charged timeout.The question may be whether the extra-point is considered it's own separate discrete play for these purposes (it might not be). As another example, say there's a personal foul after a touchdown. They don't have to mark it off on the next play (the extra point), they can mark it off two plays later - on the ensuing kickoff.
Maybe the clock issue is similar.
-QG
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Marvin Lewis should be fired before I finish breakfast tomorrow. Even if they would have won. What a pathetic performance, at home, against a team supposedly in turmoil. To be held scoreless against one of the worst defenses in the league is a joke (don't tell me the Broncos improved that much over the off season - didn't happen). Uninspired, horrible football. Lewis has pictures of somebody - he has to.
lod01
Footballguy
You forgot rule #1...survive week 1 and analyze what happened.
And with that unbelievable play, I just got knocked out of my main league's survivor pick 'em ($5/team). Ugh.. why did I have to get all cute and pick Cinncy against a woeful Denver team, and not just go with the sure-fire 'Aints???
bigfun54
Footballguy
He doesn't have pictures, he just has a contract for one more year with the worst ownership in professional sports that would rather take a shotgun blast to the face than pay someone to not coach. I honestly don't know how I can continue to be a morally good parent and let my kids wear Bengals stuff. I need to just cut the cord now.Judge Smails said:
ericttspikes
Footballguy
So what happened to Chris Henry? I heard Marvin said one catch was good enough for him and then chuckled after the game. WTF does that mean? Is he hurt or does Marvin not want this kid on the field?
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
And with that unbelievable play, I just got knocked out of my main league's survivor pick 'em ($5/team). Ugh.. why did I have to get all cute and pick Cinncy against a woeful Denver team, and not just go with the sure-fire 'Aints???
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QuizGuy66
Footballguy
Basically Denver took the deep ball away every play and that's the route that Henry runs.Of course that doesn't exactly explain all the targets to Caldwell since not every set was with 4 WR
I think Henry was getting covered. I also think Caldwell was playing well. Marvin probably said it the way he did so as to not directly go after Henry's confidence.-QG
Church of Iggy Pop
Footballguy
Same here.
Painful loss, but I still think it was a good pick, if you're playing to win it all. The Bengals won't have another matchup this favorable all season, and if the calculated risk had paid off, it would have been like stealing a win, while preserving your Patriots, Saints, Vikings picks for a later day.
Courtjester
The Town Drunk
Yeah, the 7 drops were drive killers plain and simple. That being said however, his overall game was not as good as the stat line indicates--approx. 70 of that 247 yards came on their last drive of the game. So he had zero TD's and around 170 yards thru 3 1/2 quarters. There were 15 punts in this game--7 from Cin. It was just a very ugly offensive game.
saintsfan
Footballguy
OK. Thanks.
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
It was the when on the drops. Always seem to happen when they were just inside Denver territory and it was 3rd down. Coles killed like 3 drives himself with the drops he made. It is true that a lot of the yardage came on the last drive. But 21/33 with 7 of those 12 incompletions being drops and 2 of them tipped interceptions - the other INT was as they were driving as well (1 of those INTs might count as one of the drops) I can't find fault with how Carson played. He looked pretty good, actually. Ocho was actually going into traffic and making catches as well - light years away from last year.-QGCourtjester said:
ChargersOH
Footballguy
Several times on third down, Benson completely whiffed on blocking a rush, resulting in Palmer getting sacked. Their longsnapper decided on a FG attempt to see if he could snap it further than Orton could throw. He won.Ocho decided to alligator arm a ball that ended up INTed.The freak play may have lost the Bengals the game, but it was all the small details you expect an NFL team to take care of which put them in a position to lose. They outplayed Denver on both sides of the ball but went into halftime down 3-0.Finally, how in the world does a slow WR get behind a D with 13 seconds to play. They should have had 7 guys deep covering the corners and center of the field. If one safety had tackled Stokely, that would've been the game.saintsfan said:
Verbal Kint
Footballguy
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