Game Thread W7 - Minnesota V Pittsburgh (1 Viewer)

[mystykoekaki]

I was happy with the way the Vikings played. They played toe to toe with a great team two great teams in (arguably) the toughest place to play in then NFL. I remember when a road game outdoors for the Vikings was a no-brainer loss. I hate losing but I like the way they kept fighting! This is a good team.

Fixed.

 

[beavers]

Daughter made this yesterday.. WE STILL BELIEVE!!!

 

[Godsbrother]

Went to the game and didn't get a chance to look at this thread until now. Surprised at the direction this thread turned because I saw the replay several times and it does look like the blocker kicks his legs up in an effort to impede Harrison.

I would have really like to see a replay of the offensive pass interference call against Miller that took away the Steelers TD. Not sure I've ever seen a pass interference call when the ball was thrown on the complete opposite side of the field. I am guessing Miller was guilty of a pick but that is called when the defender is (or would have been) in the vicinty of the ball. I don't think that was the case here.

All in all a very exciting game to watch especially in the 4th quarter with all of the momentum swings. I was sitting next to some Vikings fans and I have to say they were classy and a lot of fun. Good luck with the rest of the season ...

 

[Uruk-Hai]

I would have really like to see a replay of the offensive pass interference call against Miller that took away the Steelers TD. Not sure I've ever seen a pass interference call when the ball was thrown on the complete opposite side of the field. I am guessing Miller was guilty of a pick but that is called when the defender is (or would have been) in the vicinty of the ball. I don't think that was the case here.

It was the right call technically, but it's a shame - Miller could have run off the field before the play & Holmes still would have scored. The penalty didn't affect the play at all.

 

[Godsbrother]

I would have really like to see a replay of the offensive pass interference call against Miller that took away the Steelers TD. Not sure I've ever seen a pass interference call when the ball was thrown on the complete opposite side of the field. I am guessing Miller was guilty of a pick but that is called when the defender is (or would have been) in the vicinty of the ball. I don't think that was the case here.

It was the right call technically, but it's a shame - Miller could have run off the field before the play & Holmes still would have scored. The penalty didn't affect the play at all.

That is what I thought. Not complaining about the call I just wanted to see it again because I couldn't tell what happened and it seemed weird to have a PI call when the ball was thrown nowhere near the location of the penalty.

 

[Hov34]

I would have really like to see a replay of the offensive pass interference call against Miller that took away the Steelers TD. Not sure I've ever seen a pass interference call when the ball was thrown on the complete opposite side of the field. I am guessing Miller was guilty of a pick but that is called when the defender is (or would have been) in the vicinty of the ball. I don't think that was the case here.

It was the right call technically, but it's a shame - Miller could have run off the field before the play & Holmes still would have scored. The penalty didn't affect the play at all.

That is what I thought. Not complaining about the call I just wanted to see it again because I couldn't tell what happened and it seemed weird to have a PI call when the ball was thrown nowhere near the location of the penalty.

Sounds like complaining. Can't do that around here.

 

[Godsbrother]

I would have really like to see a replay of the offensive pass interference call against Miller that took away the Steelers TD. Not sure I've ever seen a pass interference call when the ball was thrown on the complete opposite side of the field. I am guessing Miller was guilty of a pick but that is called when the defender is (or would have been) in the vicinty of the ball. I don't think that was the case here.

It was the right call technically, but it's a shame - Miller could have run off the field before the play & Holmes still would have scored. The penalty didn't affect the play at all.

That is what I thought. Not complaining about the call I just wanted to see it again because I couldn't tell what happened and it seemed weird to have a PI call when the ball was thrown nowhere near the location of the penalty.

Sounds like complaining. Can't do that around here.

Nope. I wasn't saying the call was wrong -- I just didn't see it and was looking for an explanation since it seemed a bit peculiar given the ball wasn't thrown where the PI was called.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

I would have really like to see a replay of the offensive pass interference call against Miller that took away the Steelers TD. Not sure I've ever seen a pass interference call when the ball was thrown on the complete opposite side of the field. I am guessing Miller was guilty of a pick but that is called when the defender is (or would have been) in the vicinty of the ball. I don't think that was the case here.

It was the right call technically, but it's a shame - Miller could have run off the field before the play & Holmes still would have scored. The penalty didn't affect the play at all.

That is what I thought. Not complaining about the call I just wanted to see it again because I couldn't tell what happened and it seemed weird to have a PI call when the ball was thrown nowhere near the location of the penalty.

Sounds like complaining. Can't do that around here.

You can do whatever you like, and questioning a call is certainly part of the game. All I was saying to you (and not even you directly, just to the bunch of people who were whining) is that when you start in with the "_________ were jobbed" or "the refs handed __________ this game.." when play on the field dictated otherwise just comes off like sour grapes. Look at mystykoekaki's last post and avatar and ask yourself if you want to be that guy.

 

[ScottyFargo]

The Vikings looked good though, and apart from the turnovers and return TDs the Vikings offense could have closed it out. Credit the PGH team for doing what they needed to do to win, but this loss does not depress me in the least. I feel good about where the team should be able to go for the rest of the season. I was worried after the BAL game, now not so much.

 

[Ghost Rider]

It doesn't really matter - right or wrong, whining doesn't change anything. You just look like a crybaby.

Man, I really thought you, out of all Steelers fans, were better than this. I really did.

Better than what? Letting a select group of people know that saying things like "you didn't win the game, the refs handed it to you" when it isn't the case makes you look like a whiner? There were a number of Vikes fans in thread here who disagreed with the call, but admitted that the reason they lost was because of the two huge turnovers for TDs. Realists who were gracious in defeat and carried themselves with dignity (as it were, on a message board.) There were a few others who were being (deliberately?) obtuse and antagonistic and I was letting them know. I don't see why this is so awful.

Taking the "it doesn't matter if your team got screwed, because the game is over, and you just look like a crybaby" stand is painting everyone with a broad brush, which is not fair. That is basically saying that when life screws you, you just have to sit there and take it, because if you ##### about being screwed, you are just a crybaby. I have you Steelers fans vent about the officiating plenty of times. How many of you #####ed about that call in the Indy playoff game? Oh, but that was you all just being crybabies, right? I am not saying that if your team gets hosed on a call and it arguably costs you a game, you should complain non-stop about it, but you being a big fan should understand how frustrating that can be and venting, especially right away, is normal for a sports fan. Also, remember the SD/Denver game last year where the Ed Hochuli call screwed the Chargers? Chargers complained about that all year. Were they being crybabies? Heck, I got into quite a few discussions about it here, and I don't believe I ever resorted to using the "Your team lost, quit being a crybaby" card. See, what I mean?

 

[beavers]

It doesn't really matter - right or wrong, whining doesn't change anything. You just look like a crybaby.

Man, I really thought you, out of all Steelers fans, were better than this. I really did.

Better than what? Letting a select group of people know that saying things like "you didn't win the game, the refs handed it to you" when it isn't the case makes you look like a whiner? There were a number of Vikes fans in thread here who disagreed with the call, but admitted that the reason they lost was because of the two huge turnovers for TDs. Realists who were gracious in defeat and carried themselves with dignity (as it were, on a message board.) There were a few others who were being (deliberately?) obtuse and antagonistic and I was letting them know. I don't see why this is so awful.

Taking the "it doesn't matter if your team got screwed, because the game is over, and you just look like a crybaby" stand is painting everyone with a broad brush, which is not fair. That is basically saying that when life screws you, you just have to sit there and take it, because if you ##### about being screwed, you are just a crybaby. I have you Steelers fans vent about the officiating plenty of times. How many of you #####ed about that call in the Indy playoff game? Oh, but that was you all just being crybabies, right? I am not saying that if your team gets hosed on a call and it arguably costs you a game, you should complain non-stop about it, but you being a big fan should understand how frustrating that can be and venting, especially right away, is normal for a sports fan. Also, remember the SD/Denver game last year where the Ed Hochuli call screwed the Chargers? Chargers complained about that all year. Were they being crybabies? Heck, I got into quite a few discussions about it here, and I don't believe I ever resorted to using the "Your team lost, quit being a crybaby" card. See, what I mean?

Unless it's a penalty at the end of regulation that changes the outcome of the game, you really can't say either way who would have won the game if the calls were different.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

It doesn't really matter - right or wrong, whining doesn't change anything. You just look like a crybaby.

Man, I really thought you, out of all Steelers fans, were better than this. I really did.

Better than what? Letting a select group of people know that saying things like "you didn't win the game, the refs handed it to you" when it isn't the case makes you look like a whiner? There were a number of Vikes fans in thread here who disagreed with the call, but admitted that the reason they lost was because of the two huge turnovers for TDs. Realists who were gracious in defeat and carried themselves with dignity (as it were, on a message board.) There were a few others who were being (deliberately?) obtuse and antagonistic and I was letting them know. I don't see why this is so awful.

Taking the "it doesn't matter if your team got screwed, because the game is over, and you just look like a crybaby" stand is painting everyone with a broad brush, which is not fair. That is basically saying that when life screws you, you just have to sit there and take it, because if you ##### about being screwed, you are just a crybaby. I have you Steelers fans vent about the officiating plenty of times. How many of you #####ed about that call in the Indy playoff game? Oh, but that was you all just being crybabies, right? I am not saying that if your team gets hosed on a call and it arguably costs you a game, you should complain non-stop about it, but you being a big fan should understand how frustrating that can be and venting, especially right away, is normal for a sports fan. Also, remember the SD/Denver game last year where the Ed Hochuli call screwed the Chargers? Chargers complained about that all year. Were they being crybabies? Heck, I got into quite a few discussions about it here, and I don't believe I ever resorted to using the "Your team lost, quit being a crybaby" card.

See, what I mean?

Who's painting anyone with a broad brush? I said about 5 times that there were a number of Vikes fans who complained about the call, and rightly so, but kept it in perspective. I complimented Minnesota on playing a great game and even exchanged s with one or more of the classy Vikes fans. My issue is with the handful of posters who wouldn't stop with the "refs won that game for you" garbage, which is blatantly false, and happens after essentially every important Steelers win since SB XL, simply because they know it gets on Steeler fans nerves. I have no issue with guys like Snogger who said the call stunk, but that the Vikes would have overcome it if not for some timely turnovers. You need to read the whole thread before you start attacking me for something I didn't do. You're defending instigators here who can't accept defeat gracefully and lash out trying to piss people off... is that really the group you want to take up with?

 

[Ghost Rider]

Man, I am not attacking you. You know damn well that is not my style. I am simply taking umbrage with your tactics in using the "your team lost, so stop being a crybaby" line. You are usually better than that. That is my point.

Also, I don't buy the line about there being people who always try to explain away every Steelers win by saying the refs gave it to them. That is playing the "we are so picked on" card. Sorry, but I don't buy it. I have seen plenty of great recent Steelers wins where no one was questioning the officiating.

And if there are a handful of people that are just looking to cry foul when the Steelers are the beneficiaries of a bad call, then why justify their crying, as you called it, with a response. If people doing that are just begging for attention, which is likely, why give them what they want? Why not just ignore them?

 

[Idiot Boxer]

Do some Vikings fans really believe that but for the tripping penalty, the game would have been in all cases a win for Minnesota?

Let's assume for a minute it was a bad call. (May have been. Blocker went low. Leg went up. Intentional? Who knows). Is this really the only chance the Steelers had to win this game?

There were a few questionable calls (or no calls) each way. Complain about them as you like...but to say that you know what the outcome would have been but for a single penalty is ridiculous. As is the inference that any team, over time, gets the benefit of more questionable calls.

 

[treat88]

Went to the game and didn't get a chance to look at this thread until now. Surprised at the direction this thread turned because I saw the replay several times and it does look like the blocker kicks his legs up in an effort to impede Harrison.I would have really like to see a replay of the offensive pass interference call against Miller that took away the Steelers TD. Not sure I've ever seen a pass interference call when the ball was thrown on the complete opposite side of the field. I am guessing Miller was guilty of a pick but that is called when the defender is (or would have been) in the vicinty of the ball. I don't think that was the case here.All in all a very exciting game to watch especially in the 4th quarter with all of the momentum swings. I was sitting next to some Vikings fans and I have to say they were classy and a lot of fun. Good luck with the rest of the season ...

Refs blew the tripping call. Ron Winters crew is awful.Not even close to tripping.It was a leg whip. Text book definition leg whip.Should have been 15 yards instead of 10.Freaking refs.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Oh, and it needs to be pointed out that that terrible tripping call resulted in a 7-point swing, not a 14-point swing, since Harvin doesn't get a kickoff to run back had things not transpired the way they did. Minnesota got the 7 back immediately on the kickoff return.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Man, I am not attacking you. You know damn well that is not my style. I am simply taking umbrage with your tactics in using the "your team lost, so stop being a crybaby" line. You are usually better than that. That is my point.

Also, I don't buy the line about there being people who always try to explain away every Steelers win by saying the refs gave it to them. That is playing the "we are so picked on" card. Sorry, but I don't buy it. I have seen plenty of great recent Steelers wins where no one was questioning the officiating.

And if there are a handful of people that are just looking to cry foul when the Steelers are the beneficiaries of a bad call, then why justify their crying, as you called it, with a response. If people doing that are just begging for attention, which is likely, why give them what they want? Why not just ignore them?

Ask the other Steelers fans here if the ref issues come up constantly. Any game in which there's a single questionable call becomes "handed" to us by the refs. If you don't believe me, ask the others. I could (and 95% of the time do) just let it slide, but every now and again, there are a contingent of fans from one team who pound the point into the ground (erroneously, I might add) and it gets f'n annoying. That was the case here, and I was addressing only those fans. I was very clear about that. There were plenty of others who were rational and simply wanted to discuss the call without getting into conspiracy theories or antagonistic posts, and I think to a man they'd say they weren't remotely offended by anything I said because they know it wasn't directed at them. I don't feel "picked on", but I'm getting sick of people constantly claiming that the league/refs/whoever continually bias games in Pittsburgh's favor. It's ludicrous and you know it. People routinely insinuate that the league throws games to the Steelers as if appeasing their huge fanbase is somehow worth jeopardizing the entire integrity of the game whose mass appeal is greater than any other entity has ever been in the history of entertainment. It's beyond asinine, yet we hear it ALL the time. Those who harp on it over and over after a game sound like GD crybabies, I'm sorry. The fact is, a good many of them are doing it just to rankle people, because they know what I say above is true. It doesn't bother me, but I'm not going to sit there and listen to it either, I'm going to put them in their places. I'm just calling a spade a spade here, if that lowers your opinion of my posting somehow, so be it.

 

[mozzy84]

Do some Vikings fans really believe that but for the tripping penalty, the game would have been in all cases a win for Minnesota?

Let's assume for a minute it was a bad call. (May have been. Blocker went low. Leg went up. Intentional? Who knows). Is this really the only chance the Steelers had to win this game?

There were a few questionable calls (or no calls) each way. Complain about them as you like...but to say that you know what the outcome would have been but for a single penalty is ridiculous. As is the inference that any team, over time, gets the benefit of more questionable calls.

I don't. But I do believe it was the turning point in the game. Favre was being careless with the ball on the fumble right after that anyways....No sour grapes here, the vikes played well (pass defense really stepped up after last week) and it was an AFC loss, not a huge deal in the long run hopefully.

 

[Godsbrother]

My BiL (a lifelong Browns fan) and I have had a standing bet for a case of beer on the outcome of each Browns-Steelers game since 1978. We were both in DisneyWorld last week for a family reunion and he was adamant that the Browns would have won last week except for a bad call on the 4th and inch measurement.

He's been like this for every Browns loss over the past 30 years -- always an excuse, never can admit the Browns were beat because the other team was better that day. I am starting to question whether the whining is worth the case of beer...

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

Man, I am not attacking you. You know damn well that is not my style. I am simply taking umbrage with your tactics in using the "your team lost, so stop being a crybaby" line. You are usually better than that. That is my point.

Also, I don't buy the line about there being people who always try to explain away every Steelers win by saying the refs gave it to them. That is playing the "we are so picked on" card. Sorry, but I don't buy it. I have seen plenty of great recent Steelers wins where no one was questioning the officiating.

And if there are a handful of people that are just looking to cry foul when the Steelers are the beneficiaries of a bad call, then why justify their crying, as you called it, with a response. If people doing that are just begging for attention, which is likely, why give them what they want? Why not just ignore them?

Ask the other Steelers fans here if the ref issues come up constantly. Any game in which there's a single questionable call becomes "handed" to us by the refs. If you don't believe me, ask the others. I could (and 95% of the time do) just let it slide, but every now and again, there are a contingent of fans from one team who pound the point into the ground (erroneously, I might add) and it gets f'n annoying. That was the case here, and I was addressing only those fans. I was very clear about that. There were plenty of others who were rational and simply wanted to discuss the call without getting into conspiracy theories or antagonistic posts, and I think to a man they'd say they weren't remotely offended by anything I said because they know it wasn't directed at them. I don't feel "picked on", but I'm getting sick of people constantly claiming that the league/refs/whoever continually bias games in Pittsburgh's favor. It's ludicrous and you know it. People routinely insinuate that the league throws games to the Steelers as if appeasing their huge fanbase is somehow worth jeopardizing the entire integrity of the game whose mass appeal is greater than any other entity has ever been in the history of entertainment. It's beyond asinine, yet we hear it ALL the time. Those who harp on it over and over after a game sound like GD crybabies, I'm sorry. The fact is, a good many of them are doing it just to rankle people, because they know what I say above is true. It doesn't bother me, but I'm not going to sit there and listen to it either, I'm going to put them in their places. I'm just calling a spade a spade here, if that lowers your opinion of my posting somehow, so be it.

Seems like the average teams never win controversial games. The 70s Steelers won plenty of controversial games: The Immaculate Reception, the Steelers 3rd Super Bowl win (Barnes penalty, Waters picked by ref), 1980 AFC Championship (Renfro ruled out). Then we had about 25 years where I'd be hard-pressed to remember a single controversial game. Suddenly in 2005 they started again: Carson Palmer taken out in 2005 playoffs, SB XL and now this. Got to love'em!

 

[Copeman]

We Steeler fans know, that at the slightest hint of a call that might go towards the Steelers in any given game, we can restfully be assured that we can come into this and many other football message boards and the Steeler-Seahawks SB will be brought up.

Quite comical actually.

It ranks right up there with dying and paying taxes.

 

[thatguy]

My BiL (a lifelong Browns fan) and I have had a standing bet for a case of beer on the outcome of each Browns-Steelers game since 1978. We were both in DisneyWorld last week for a family reunion and he was adamant that the Browns would have won last week except for a bad call on the 4th and inch measurement.He's been like this for every Browns loss over the past 30 years -- always an excuse, never can admit the Browns were beat because the other team was better that day. I am starting to question whether the whining is worth the case of beer...

I know how you feel. Had an ex girlfriend whose father was a Dolphins fan and a Pats fan (reason being his daughter went to school in Boston so he immediately jumped on the opportunity to route for a winner). Anyway, he was the same way. No reason. No logic. Just pure bull#### all the time. Some people don't know how to call a spade a spade. It's pretty sad, but you just have to let them spew their garbage, then shake your head or shrug with a sheepish grin, mumble something that resembles verbal agreement, and move on.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

My BiL (a lifelong Browns fan) and I have had a standing bet for a case of beer on the outcome of each Browns-Steelers game since 1978. We were both in DisneyWorld last week for a family reunion and he was adamant that the Browns would have won last week except for a bad call on the 4th and inch measurement.He's been like this for every Browns loss over the past 30 years -- always an excuse, never can admit the Browns were beat because the other team was better that day. I am starting to question whether the whining is worth the case of beer...

I know how you feel. Had an ex girlfriend whose father was a Dolphins fan and a Pats fan (reason being his daughter went to school in Boston so he immediately jumped on the opportunity to route for a winner). Anyway, he was the same way. No reason. No logic. Just pure bull#### all the time. Some people don't know how to call a spade a spade. It's pretty sad, but you just have to let them spew their garbage, then shake your head or shrug with a sheepish grin, mumble something that resembles verbal agreement, and move on.

How may times have you been thinking "What?!?!? You have no idea what you're talking about ?!?!?" but said "Oh, absolutely. No question about it... that was BS... ", etc just to end the conversation? If I had a nickel...

 

[jestertj]

Screw the tripping penalty. All that guaranteed was a lead, not a victory.

Right before the interception I was thinking, this is great. We're moving the ball down the field, and bleeding the clock. We'll be up by 4 so it won't be a field goal with time running out like last week. Man, Travaris would never be able to lead this kind of drive to win.

Interception. Touchown. F***!

Still, the D played better against the pass and with #4 at QB we are actually have a legit chance in big games as opposed to the alternatives.

 

[thatguy]

My BiL (a lifelong Browns fan) and I have had a standing bet for a case of beer on the outcome of each Browns-Steelers game since 1978. We were both in DisneyWorld last week for a family reunion and he was adamant that the Browns would have won last week except for a bad call on the 4th and inch measurement.

He's been like this for every Browns loss over the past 30 years -- always an excuse, never can admit the Browns were beat because the other team was better that day. I am starting to question whether the whining is worth the case of beer...

I know how you feel. Had an ex girlfriend whose father was a Dolphins fan and a Pats fan (reason being his daughter went to school in Boston so he immediately jumped on the opportunity to route for a winner). Anyway, he was the same way. No reason. No logic. Just pure bull#### all the time. Some people don't know how to call a spade a spade. It's pretty sad, but you just have to let them spew their garbage, then shake your head or shrug with a sheepish grin, mumble something that resembles verbal agreement, and move on.

How may times have you been thinking "What?!?!? You have no idea what you're talking about ?!?!?" but said "Oh, absolutely. No question about it... that was BS... ", etc just to end the conversation? If I had a nickel...

Too many times my friend. If we had nickels indeed...