Gary Kubiak and Rookie RB's (1 Viewer)

[Organized Chaos]

Some of the guys in my local league were giving me a hard time when I posted the DD info as a jab to another owner. (I picked up both Morency and Lundy after our draft a couple weeks ago)

So, one guy says something about 2 RB's that are pretty much rookies (as far as NFL experience goes) and I decided to take a look at Kubiak's RB's back to 95.

Here is what I found.

1995: T. Davis - Rookie 1,117 yards Rushing1999: O. Gary - Rookie - 1.159 Rushing2000: M. Anderson - Rookie - 1,487 Rushin2002: Portis - Rookie 1,508 Rushing2004: Droughns - not rookie, but no playing experience - 1,240 RushingSo, this is not to say that Lundy or Morency are going to be studs or anything, but this guy has a pretty amazing record as far as young RB's go when he is the OC.edit: fat fingers

 

[WarRedbirds]

Some of the guys in my local league were giving me a hard time when I posted the DD info as a jab to another owner. (I picked up both Morency and Lundy after our draft a couple weeks ago)So, one guy says something about 2 RB's that are pretty much rookies (as far as NFL experience goes) and I decided to take a look at Kubiak's RB's back to 95.Here is what I found.

1995: T. Davis - Rookie 1,117 yards Rushing1999: O. Gary - Rookie - 1.159 Rushing2000: M. Anderson - Rookie - 1,487 Rushin2002: Portis - Rookie 1,508 Rushing2004: Droughns - not rookie, but no playing experience - 1,240 Rushing

So, this is not to say that Lundy or Morency are going to be studs or anything, but this guy has a pretty amazing record as far as young RB's go when he is the OC.edit: fat fingers

Apples vs. Oranges(Denver vs. Houston)

 

[BustedKnuckles]

HOUSTON HAS A PROBLEM

Taking gratuitous shots at the Texans for passing on Reggie Bush still is too easy, even four months after the draft. But their decision looks especially foolish now, considering they head into the season with a very thin running back depth chart.

Domanick Davis' knee injury, which initially was not supposed to be an issue at all in training camp, threatens to sideline him into the season. If Bush were in Houston, no one would be worried about Davis' condition.

But fret we do, because somebody has to carry the ball in what some think will be a much-improved offense. No running game would put a serious crimp in those hopes. None of the Texans' choices, though, inspires much confidence.

Vernand Morency. The Texans' 2005 third-round pick has had to learn a new running style, and the results have been uneven. He had a 95-yard, two-touchdown effort in the preseason but also dances a little too much to suit Gary Kubiak's one-cut system. Morency has more raw talent than the Texans' other backs but must learn to run how Kubiak wants.

Wali Lundy. Lundy has the vision and decisiveness to be the type of runner who can fit the Texans system, but he is not an explosive runner and does not have breakaway speed. A sixth-round pick, he also needs to round out his game to be a regular contributor. At best, he probably would be a marginal back if given regular time.

Antowain Smith. Smith is the tired ol' engine who will not quit. At 34, he is entering his 10th season - and is on his fourth team in four seasons. He has not averaged better than 4.0 yards a carry since his rookie year, but if you are looking for a guy who will carry 18 times for 60 yards every week, Smith is your guy. And that is what he will do if the young guys falter.

Or, you could wait for Davis to get, and stay, healthy. But that'd be like expecting the Texans to do the right thing on draft day: wishful thinking

 

[Organized Chaos]

Apples vs. Oranges(Denver vs. Houston)

I agree, I just thought it was pretty cool to see on paper...

 

[redman]

HOUSTON HAS A PROBLEM Taking gratuitous shots at the Texans for passing on Reggie Bush still is too easy, even four months after the draft. But their decision looks especially foolish now, considering they head into the season with a very thin running back depth chart.

If this were the Broncos, I'm not sure people would be saying that given their success at using only modestly talented RB's and gaining significant yardage with them. Kubiak comes from that system and, while a rookie head coach, may end being just fine with this stable of RB's.

 

[laughinboy_2000]

Some of the guys in my local league were giving me a hard time when I posted the DD info as a jab to another owner. (I picked up both Morency and Lundy after our draft a couple weeks ago)So, one guy says something about 2 RB's that are pretty much rookies (as far as NFL experience goes) and I decided to take a look at Kubiak's RB's back to 95.Here is what I found.

1995: T. Davis - Rookie 1,117 yards Rushing1999: O. Gary - Rookie - 1.159 Rushing2000: M. Anderson - Rookie - 1,487 Rushin2002: Portis - Rookie 1,508 Rushing2004: Droughns - not rookie, but no playing experience - 1,240 Rushing

So, this is not to say that Lundy or Morency are going to be studs or anything, but this guy has a pretty amazing record as far as young RB's go when he is the OC.edit: fat fingers

I might be the only one high on Wali Lundy right now. I like what I've seen out of this kid. I watched the preseason game on Sunday against a tough Broncos run D, and he carried the ball 10 times for 43 yards, had 3 receptions for 17 yards. And that was one half of work. He has descent value in PPR leagues, because from what I was seeing Carr had no time to sit in the pocket, so he just dumped the pass off to Lundi. Lundi has good hands and finds the hole. I think he could really suprise some people this year. I would get him on my team if he's available. I like him.. A LOT!!

 

[Sabertooth]

I didn't realize the Kubiak was the head coach of the Broncos all those years.

 

[Todem]

Some of the guys in my local league were giving me a hard time when I posted the DD info as a jab to another owner. (I picked up both Morency and Lundy after our draft a couple weeks ago)So, one guy says something about 2 RB's that are pretty much rookies (as far as NFL experience goes) and I decided to take a look at Kubiak's RB's back to 95.Here is what I found.

1995: T. Davis - Rookie 1,117 yards Rushing1999: O. Gary - Rookie - 1.159 Rushing2000: M. Anderson - Rookie - 1,487 Rushin2002: Portis - Rookie 1,508 Rushing2004: Droughns - not rookie, but no playing experience - 1,240 Rushing

So, this is not to say that Lundy or Morency are going to be studs or anything, but this guy has a pretty amazing record as far as young RB's go when he is the OC.edit: fat fingers

Apples vs. Oranges(Denver vs. Houston)

Hold on a second.Am I missing something or have we forgotten how productive D.Davis was in 2003 and 2004 and if he played the whole year in 2005 what his numbers would have finished at? Houston has proven one thing at least and that is they can run the ball and have a feature back produce top 15 numbers. Just look at D.Davis. Not saying Lundy or Morency will do the same but when you say they are crap that is off base. What they are crap at is pass protection, which is why D.Davis has so many receptions to begin with (dump off's). They will be an even better run blocking team this year IMO.Just wanted to point that out.

 

[wickster33]

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Hold on a second.

Am I missing something or have we forgotten how productive D.Davis was in 2003 and 2004 and if he played the whole year in 2005 what his numbers would have finished at? Houston has proven one thing at least and that is they can run the ball and have a feature back produce top 15 numbers. Just look at D.Davis. Not saying Lundy or Morency will do the same but when you say they are crap that is off base. What they are crap at is pass protection, which is why D.Davis has so many receptions to begin with (dump off's). They will be an even better run blocking team this year IMO.

Just wanted to point that out.

I too am optimistic about Lundi, but I don't think you can use last year's running numbers to make your projections. THe zone blocking scheme is a brand new system for Houston and has nothing in common with last year's scheme.

I drafted Lundy in one league, and sharks got him in the other two.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

YES

Another thread on the Houston RBS!!!

 

[Fullback Fro]

DOMINIC DAVIS IS NOT OUT FOR THE YEAR YET!

 

[Todem]

DOMINIC DAVIS IS NOT OUT FOR THE YEAR YET!

I think you need to maybe take off the rose colored glasses and accept the reality that it is very likley he is headed to the IR. It is becoming very clear with each passing week that they are making plans to not have him in the fold this season.

 

[Desert_Power]

YESAnother thread on the Houston RBS!!!

Just what the doctor ordered

 

[GregR_2]

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I too am optimistic about Lundi, but I don't think you can use last year's running numbers to make your projections. THe zone blocking scheme is a brand new system for Houston and has nothing in common with last year's scheme.

I drafted Lundy in one league, and sharks got him in the other two.

The Texans have been using a zone-blocking scheme since 2004.

 

[jon_mx]

Barry Sanders was a rookie too once. Lundy is a rookie now. Perhaps he is the next Barry Sanders?

 

[Todem]

Barry Sanders was a rookie too once. Lundy is a rookie now. Perhaps he is the next Barry Sanders?

 

[Fullback Fro]

DOMINIC DAVIS IS NOT OUT FOR THE YEAR YET!

I think you need to maybe take off the rose colored glasses and accept the reality that it is very likley he is headed to the IR. It is becoming very clear with each passing week that they are making plans to not have him in the fold this season.

Please explain to me what these plans are? By going and getting another RB? Announcing that Davis will not be cut. By only stating that Lundi will likely start the first week. That doens't sound like clear plans that he is out. I am very capable of realizing that he COULD head to the IR but he MAY also be ready to go week three or week 4 in which case you MAY have overspent on a backup running back.

 

[SoloMatisse]

the inability to accept a player's seasonal fate when the writing is clearly on the wall, make the nessecary roster adjustments, and move forward is often what seperates winning teams from losing teams. Grabbing Wali Lundy now will likely help any team win. Hanging on to Dominic Davis and hoping for the best will NOT. But hey, that's just a humble opinion, so do what you will. I like Lundy this year as the starting back for Houston, but they do have a tough schedule, and Ive looked it over carefully and even as 4th RB, he's only gonna be good for 3 or 4 spot starts that Id feel good about.

 

[Football Jones]

Wouldn't it be something if Lundy out-performed Bush (production-wise)? That doesn't mean he's going to be a better RB, of course, but interesting, nonetheless.

Anybody believe Lundy will outdo Bush this season?

 

[Papa Georgio]

OK let me now make everyone mad in this thread....I don't know what's worse all the Lundy threads or the people who continue to open them just to complain about them.

Back to the subject though. Do we really know enough yet to say Houston made a mistake drafting the way they did?

I also have much faith in the system that Kubiak uses. I also don't understand people that say Houston is a fantasy wasteland. DD seemed to be pretty alright playing for Houston, wait is it because DD was/is so talented? What happened to all those threads saying, "Rookie RB X is going to take DD's place this year, just watch"? What I think is going to lessen the value of RB Houston is that all will play at times this season making RB Denver look almost tolerable. It's a mess and unfortunately I have to roster 3 Houston RB's in 2 leagues.

 

[Organized Chaos]

I didn't realize the Kubiak was the head coach of the Broncos all those years.

Point taken.

YESAnother thread on the Houston RBS!!!

The point of this thread was not to beat a dead horse, mearly to point out the sucess that this coach has had with rookie RB's.

Barry Sanders was a rookie too once. Lundy is a rookie now. Perhaps he is the next Barry Sanders?

Wheres the middle finger smiley when you need it?Just so my point is clear I am not saying that Lundy or Morency will have a great season, I just wanted to point out that is pretty cool that on average, every 2 years inexperienced RB's have produced from a system that he was the OC in. How many other systems have produced so well for so many inexperienced players at RB?Quick, name three coaches that can claim the same. Shenanigans is obviously #1 give me 2 more...

 

[GregR_2]

At the time of the draft, I felt the Texans should have taken Bush. If I could go back in time and have them pick someone else, I'd probably have them take Young or Cutler.

The Texans have an above average run-blocking line. Johnathan Wells did well behind it. To me, DD isn't the issue on who they should or shouldn't have taken.

It comes down to the likelihood that you get an elite player, as well as how key that position is to your team and your needs. That Carr hasn't looked much better in preseason yet is a lot more worrisome to me than is the fact that DD is out. I hope he's just taking longer to break the shellshocked mindset. I had thought he might look better by now than he does.