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3C's
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joffer
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timschochet
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I actually knew a gay couple named Adam and Steve, back in college.
Henry Ford
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Joe Summer
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Wouldn't gay marriage reduce the number of abortions? Lesbians would no longer have an incentive to marry straight men, and would therefore reduce the likelihood of unwanted pregnancies.
General Malaise
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Henry Ford
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General Malaise
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roadkill1292
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squistion
Footballguy
My, my. I see the good Dr Oadi has returned to posting regularly after an absence of almost a year (May 2014). Is it because your main alias was banned (popsecret perhaps?) or do you once again have internet access after getting out early for good behavior?
Oh, and blacks/whites not being allowed to marry was indeed discriminatory, but somehow this country survived and prospered after Loving v Virginia.
Dr Oadi
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I hate to break it to you but the desire to take it up your butt isn't the same as the color of your skin. No matter how some just need to be told it's all normal fun dandy and happy. The std rates among the community tell those with open eyes it's not.My, my. I see the good Dr Oadi has returned to posting regularly after an absence of almost a year (May 2014). Is it because your main alias was banned (popsecret perhaps?) or do you once again have internet access after getting out early for good behavior?
squistion
Footballguy
Lesbians have the desire to take it up their butt? We don't have many on this board but I imagine that is news to them.I hate to break it to you but the desire to take it up your butt isn't the same as the color of your skin. No matter how some just need to be told it's all normal fun dandy and happy. The std rates among the community tell those with open eyes it's not.My, my. I see the good Dr Oadi has returned to posting regularly after an absence of almost a year (May 2014). Is it because your main alias was banned (popsecret perhaps?) or do you once again have internet access after getting out early for good behavior?
And you never did say why you disappeared from this board for a year. Were you working undercover, or perhaps under sheets?
I'm to the point where if people want to make the concious decision to marry a member of the same sex, fine, whatever. But I don't think the lifestyle should be promoted as normal or an alternative. It really presents itself as no harm to us but indoctrinating this nation's children that gay is OK is not something I approve of.I hate to break it to you but the desire to take it up your butt isn't the same as the color of your skin. No matter how some just need to be told it's all normal fun dandy and happy. The std rates among the community tell those with open eyes it's not.My, my. I see the good Dr Oadi has returned to posting regularly after an absence of almost a year (May 2014). Is it because your main alias was banned (popsecret perhaps?) or do you once again have internet access after getting out early for good behavior?
Boys belong with girls. If you intrinsically feel the need to deviate without suggestion from the media or being raped when you were young, fine, I can't tell you how to live your life. But nature has a pretty simple blueprint, lol. I think it's a damn shame if people are being recruited to homosexuality and don't get to take a part in God's master plan.
I am against homosexuals having children though. You pretty much know what you signed up for when you decided not to impregnate the opposite sex. I don't think all homosexuals would make bad parents but I would only assume that they would push their orientation onto their children, which I think is wrong. Especially if the kid wouldn't have been gay if they had been adopted to a heterosexual couple.
CurlyNight
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Very heartwarming. Check it out.
http://www.people.com/article/lesbian-couple-pregnancy-photo?xid=socialflow_facebook_peoplemag
http://www.people.com/article/lesbian-couple-pregnancy-photo?xid=socialflow_facebook_peoplemag
Mr. Retukes
Footballguy
And Richard Loving chose to be attracted to a black woman. He wasn't born that way.I hate to break it to you but the desire to take it up your butt isn't the same as the color of your skin.My, my. I see the good Dr Oadi has returned to posting regularly after an absence of almost a year (May 2014). Is it because your main alias was banned (popsecret perhaps?) or do you once again have internet access after getting out early for good behavior?
Lesbians have a lower STD rate than heterosexual men.
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HellToupee
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Lesbians have the desire to take it up their butt? We don't have many on this board but I imagine that is news to them.
its probably on par with straight women
Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
I've been out of this thread for a while...this guy really this stupid? Fishing?I'm to the point where if people want to make the concious decision to marry a member of the same sex, fine, whatever. But I don't think the lifestyle should be promoted as normal or an alternative. It really presents itself as no harm to us but indoctrinating this nation's children that gay is OK is not something I approve of.I hate to break it to you but the desire to take it up your butt isn't the same as the color of your skin. No matter how some just need to be told it's all normal fun dandy and happy. The std rates among the community tell those with open eyes it's not.My, my. I see the good Dr Oadi has returned to posting regularly after an absence of almost a year (May 2014). Is it because your main alias was banned (popsecret perhaps?) or do you once again have internet access after getting out early for good behavior?
Boys belong with girls. If you intrinsically feel the need to deviate without suggestion from the media or being raped when you were young, fine, I can't tell you how to live your life. But nature has a pretty simple blueprint, lol. I think it's a damn shame if people are being recruited to homosexuality and don't get to take a part in God's master plan.
I am against homosexuals having children though. You pretty much know what you signed up for when you decided not to impregnate the opposite sex. I don't think all homosexuals would make bad parents but I would only assume that they would push their orientation onto their children, which I think is wrong. Especially if the kid wouldn't have been gay if they had been adopted to a heterosexual couple.
joffer
Footballguy
at this point it's hard to care. If it's real I just feel sorry for him. If it's fishing....I feel sorry for him.I've been out of this thread for a while...this guy really this stupid? Fishing?I'm to the point where if people want to make the concious decision to marry a member of the same sex, fine, whatever. But I don't think the lifestyle should be promoted as normal or an alternative. It really presents itself as no harm to us but indoctrinating this nation's children that gay is OK is not something I approve of.I hate to break it to you but the desire to take it up your butt isn't the same as the color of your skin. No matter how some just need to be told it's all normal fun dandy and happy. The std rates among the community tell those with open eyes it's not.My, my. I see the good Dr Oadi has returned to posting regularly after an absence of almost a year (May 2014). Is it because your main alias was banned (popsecret perhaps?) or do you once again have internet access after getting out early for good behavior?
Boys belong with girls. If you intrinsically feel the need to deviate without suggestion from the media or being raped when you were young, fine, I can't tell you how to live your life. But nature has a pretty simple blueprint, lol. I think it's a damn shame if people are being recruited to homosexuality and don't get to take a part in God's master plan.
I am against homosexuals having children though. You pretty much know what you signed up for when you decided not to impregnate the opposite sex. I don't think all homosexuals would make bad parents but I would only assume that they would push their orientation onto their children, which I think is wrong. Especially if the kid wouldn't have been gay if they had been adopted to a heterosexual couple.
Being 23 years old is so terrible, please feel sorry for me, lmao. I could #### around for another 7 years and still stitch together a normal life. I can look at a situation and tell you if it's right or wrong. Next you'll be telling me that pedophilia is OK and people are born that way. I don't need a TV to tell me that's or wrong. If something seems immoral I am allowed to object without being called stupid.at this point it's hard to care. If it's real I just feel sorry for him. If it's fishing....I feel sorry for him.I've been out of this thread for a while...this guy really this stupid? Fishing?I'm to the point where if people want to make the concious decision to marry a member of the same sex, fine, whatever. But I don't think the lifestyle should be promoted as normal or an alternative. It really presents itself as no harm to us but indoctrinating this nation's children that gay is OK is not something I approve of.I hate to break it to you but the desire to take it up your butt isn't the same as the color of your skin. No matter how some just need to be told it's all normal fun dandy and happy. The std rates among the community tell those with open eyes it's not.My, my. I see the good Dr Oadi has returned to posting regularly after an absence of almost a year (May 2014). Is it because your main alias was banned (popsecret perhaps?) or do you once again have internet access after getting out early for good behavior?
Boys belong with girls. If you intrinsically feel the need to deviate without suggestion from the media or being raped when you were young, fine, I can't tell you how to live your life. But nature has a pretty simple blueprint, lol. I think it's a damn shame if people are being recruited to homosexuality and don't get to take a part in God's master plan.
I am against homosexuals having children though. You pretty much know what you signed up for when you decided not to impregnate the opposite sex. I don't think all homosexuals would make bad parents but I would only assume that they would push their orientation onto their children, which I think is wrong. Especially if the kid wouldn't have been gay if they had been adopted to a heterosexual couple.
Want to challenge my stance on abortion while we're at it? I find it absolutely insane that society accepts two sides on abortion but refuses to take sides on something like homosexuality. This #### isn't normal and you are going to continue to see more and more of it. I don't want to see it. I want a normal United States. I don't want a place where Whites are the minority, nobody is Christian, everyone is smoking were, and every sexual deviancy is encouraged and normal.
I feel if that's the future of America it is being engineered and not holistically normal. I feel if that's what our country is becoming we are shaming God and shaming our forefathers. I wish this whole damn country would find some self-respect.
squistion
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You absolutely are allowed to object and express an opinion, however if that opinion sounds stupid, people also have the right to call you out and label it as stupid, such as your equating pedophilia and homosexuality or your contention that gay parents who adopt are recruiting kids to be gay.
And you want a "normal United States" where whites are the majority. No, that isn't a stupid opinion, but it seems a racist one. And looking at projected demographic trends, you will be on the wrong side of history again by 2043 http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/13/18934111-census-white-majority-in-us-gone-by-2043.
hagmania
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Officer Pete Malloy
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Yeah, stupid.
Scoresman
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bigbottom
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Intolerance of gays, and religious and racial homogeneity. I can think of a few countries that fit the bill.Being 23 years old is so terrible, please feel sorry for me, lmao. I could #### around for another 7 years and still stitch together a normal life. I can look at a situation and tell you if it's right or wrong. Next you'll be telling me that pedophilia is OK and people are born that way. I don't need a TV to tell me that's or wrong. If something seems immoral I am allowed to object without being called stupid.at this point it's hard to care. If it's real I just feel sorry for him. If it's fishing....I feel sorry for him.I've been out of this thread for a while...this guy really this stupid? Fishing?I'm to the point where if people want to make the concious decision to marry a member of the same sex, fine, whatever. But I don't think the lifestyle should be promoted as normal or an alternative. It really presents itself as no harm to us but indoctrinating this nation's children that gay is OK is not something I approve of.I hate to break it to you but the desire to take it up your butt isn't the same as the color of your skin. No matter how some just need to be told it's all normal fun dandy and happy. The std rates among the community tell those with open eyes it's not.My, my. I see the good Dr Oadi has returned to posting regularly after an absence of almost a year (May 2014). Is it because your main alias was banned (popsecret perhaps?) or do you once again have internet access after getting out early for good behavior?
Boys belong with girls. If you intrinsically feel the need to deviate without suggestion from the media or being raped when you were young, fine, I can't tell you how to live your life. But nature has a pretty simple blueprint, lol. I think it's a damn shame if people are being recruited to homosexuality and don't get to take a part in God's master plan.
I am against homosexuals having children though. You pretty much know what you signed up for when you decided not to impregnate the opposite sex. I don't think all homosexuals would make bad parents but I would only assume that they would push their orientation onto their children, which I think is wrong. Especially if the kid wouldn't have been gay if they had been adopted to a heterosexual couple.
Want to challenge my stance on abortion while we're at it? I find it absolutely insane that society accepts two sides on abortion but refuses to take sides on something like homosexuality. This #### isn't normal and you are going to continue to see more and more of it. I don't want to see it. I want a normal United States. I don't want a place where Whites are the minority, nobody is Christian, everyone is smoking were, and every sexual deviancy is encouraged and normal.
I feel if that's the future of America it is being engineered and not holistically normal. I feel if that's what our country is becoming we are shaming God and shaming our forefathers. I wish this whole damn country would find some self-respect.
squistion
Footballguy
Meanwhile on the other side of the pond, Ireland is having a national referendum on gay marriage on May 22nd. That isn't news but what is interesting is that the anti-gay marriage supporters are not trotting out the usual discredited slippery slope arguments you have in this country - that it will lead to legalized pedophilia, polygamy, incestuous marriages and Rick Santorum's famous "Man on dog" prediction.
Instead the opposition is taking the unusual tact of attacking surrogate mothers and surrogacy saying that every child should be raised by its biological mother. Doesn't sound like a winning argument to me, but who knows? A copy of the poster the "Mothers & Fathers Matter" group is circulating is found at the link.
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/families-hit-out-over-no-campaign-poster-criticising-surrogacy-31165662.html
News Irish News
Families hit out over 'No' campaign poster criticising surrogacy
A No campaign poster declaring that a child needs its mother "for life, not just nine months" has raised the ire of parents of adopted children, who said its message was "deeply offensive".
The poster from the "Mothers & Fathers Matter" campaign group appeared in areas of Dublin this week, and shows a photo of a toddler along with the banner "Surrogacy?" and the message "She needs her mother for life, not just for nine months - vote No".
Speaking to Independent.ie, mother-of-two Teresa Byrne said she had been "deeply insulted" when she saw the posters.
"To say that just because you carry a child for nine months makes you their mother is an absurd suggestion... and one that is deeply offensive to anyone that has raised children not biologically their own."
"The poster is nonsense it implies that surrogacy is simply for same-sex couples. There are many parents, myself included, that have had children thanks to the help of other people."
"To say that I am not the mother of my children because I could not biologically carry them is an insulting suggestion, and one that is clearly aimed at shaming families that do not conform to this groups narrow view of what constitutes a family."
Defending the poster, a spokesperson for "Mother & Fathers Matter" said "if the referendum passes same-sex married couples will likewise have a constitutional right to procreate."
"[As] they can only procreate through donor assisted human reproduction and, in the case of men, surrogacy... it is very possible that surrogacy will be seen as part of a same-sex couples constitutional right to procreate."
"In such case the Constitution will endorse as a 'right' a child having a biological mother and a birth mother but being left legally and socially motherless for the rest of her life."
The group said its volunteers would be erecting posters over the next two weeks in every constituency.
Instead the opposition is taking the unusual tact of attacking surrogate mothers and surrogacy saying that every child should be raised by its biological mother. Doesn't sound like a winning argument to me, but who knows? A copy of the poster the "Mothers & Fathers Matter" group is circulating is found at the link.
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/families-hit-out-over-no-campaign-poster-criticising-surrogacy-31165662.html
News Irish News
Families hit out over 'No' campaign poster criticising surrogacy
A No campaign poster declaring that a child needs its mother "for life, not just nine months" has raised the ire of parents of adopted children, who said its message was "deeply offensive".
The poster from the "Mothers & Fathers Matter" campaign group appeared in areas of Dublin this week, and shows a photo of a toddler along with the banner "Surrogacy?" and the message "She needs her mother for life, not just for nine months - vote No".
Speaking to Independent.ie, mother-of-two Teresa Byrne said she had been "deeply insulted" when she saw the posters.
"To say that just because you carry a child for nine months makes you their mother is an absurd suggestion... and one that is deeply offensive to anyone that has raised children not biologically their own."
"The poster is nonsense it implies that surrogacy is simply for same-sex couples. There are many parents, myself included, that have had children thanks to the help of other people."
"To say that I am not the mother of my children because I could not biologically carry them is an insulting suggestion, and one that is clearly aimed at shaming families that do not conform to this groups narrow view of what constitutes a family."
Defending the poster, a spokesperson for "Mother & Fathers Matter" said "if the referendum passes same-sex married couples will likewise have a constitutional right to procreate."
"[As] they can only procreate through donor assisted human reproduction and, in the case of men, surrogacy... it is very possible that surrogacy will be seen as part of a same-sex couples constitutional right to procreate."
"In such case the Constitution will endorse as a 'right' a child having a biological mother and a birth mother but being left legally and socially motherless for the rest of her life."
The group said its volunteers would be erecting posters over the next two weeks in every constituency.
Koya
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Galileo
Footballguy
Not about marriage, but an interesting sign of the times..a straight high school male asks his gay friend to the prom: http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/straight_high_school_student_asks_his_gay_best_friend_to_the_prom
joffer
Footballguy
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/2015/04/19/usa-today-suffolk-poll-gay-marriage-religious-freedom/25868539/
WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court hears arguments next week in a landmark case on gay marriage, but most Americans already have made up their minds: There's no turning back.
In a nationwide USA TODAY/Suffolk University Poll, those surveyed say by 51%-35% that it's no longer practical for the Supreme Court to ban same-sex marriages because so many states have legalized them. One reason for a transformation in public views on the issue: Close to half say they have a gay or lesbian family member or close friend who is married to someone of the same sex.
Kraig Ziegler, 58, of Flagstaff, Ariz., acknowledged being a bit uncomfortable when he attended a wedding reception for two men, friends of his wife, who had married. "I still believe what the Bible says, 'one man, one woman,' " the mechanic, who was among those polled, said in a follow-up interview. On the other hand, he said, "I got to know the guys, and they're all right. They don't make passes or anything at me."
Now he calls himself undecided on the issue.
WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court hears arguments next week in a landmark case on gay marriage, but most Americans already have made up their minds: There's no turning back.
In a nationwide USA TODAY/Suffolk University Poll, those surveyed say by 51%-35% that it's no longer practical for the Supreme Court to ban same-sex marriages because so many states have legalized them. One reason for a transformation in public views on the issue: Close to half say they have a gay or lesbian family member or close friend who is married to someone of the same sex.
Kraig Ziegler, 58, of Flagstaff, Ariz., acknowledged being a bit uncomfortable when he attended a wedding reception for two men, friends of his wife, who had married. "I still believe what the Bible says, 'one man, one woman,' " the mechanic, who was among those polled, said in a follow-up interview. On the other hand, he said, "I got to know the guys, and they're all right. They don't make passes or anything at me."
Now he calls himself undecided on the issue.
bigbottom
Footballguy
The poll asked whether it was practical for the Supreme Court to ban same sex marriages? :shuke:http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/2015/04/19/usa-today-suffolk-poll-gay-marriage-religious-freedom/25868539/
WASHINGTON The Supreme Court hears arguments next week in a landmark case on gay marriage, but most Americans already have made up their minds: There's no turning back.
In a nationwide USA TODAY/Suffolk University Poll, those surveyed say by 51%-35% that it's no longer practical for the Supreme Court to ban same-sex marriages because so many states have legalized them. One reason for a transformation in public views on the issue: Close to half say they have a gay or lesbian family member or close friend who is married to someone of the same sex.
Kraig Ziegler, 58, of Flagstaff, Ariz., acknowledged being a bit uncomfortable when he attended a wedding reception for two men, friends of his wife, who had married. "I still believe what the Bible says, 'one man, one woman,' " the mechanic, who was among those polled, said in a follow-up interview. On the other hand, he said, "I got to know the guys, and they're all right. They don't make passes or anything at me."
Now he calls himself undecided on the issue.
Bottomfeeder Sports
Footballguy
So are the justices just going to be asking the same questions they asked two years ago? Or, have they evolved?
Mr. Retukes
Footballguy
I hope the article just misquoted the poll. Really dumb question.The poll asked whether it was practical for the Supreme Court to ban same sex marriages? :shuke:http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/2015/04/19/usa-today-suffolk-poll-gay-marriage-religious-freedom/25868539/
WASHINGTON The Supreme Court hears arguments next week in a landmark case on gay marriage, but most Americans already have made up their minds: There's no turning back.
In a nationwide USA TODAY/Suffolk University Poll, those surveyed say by 51%-35% that it's no longer practical for the Supreme Court to ban same-sex marriages because so many states have legalized them. One reason for a transformation in public views on the issue: Close to half say they have a gay or lesbian family member or close friend who is married to someone of the same sex.
Kraig Ziegler, 58, of Flagstaff, Ariz., acknowledged being a bit uncomfortable when he attended a wedding reception for two men, friends of his wife, who had married. "I still believe what the Bible says, 'one man, one woman,' " the mechanic, who was among those polled, said in a follow-up interview. On the other hand, he said, "I got to know the guys, and they're all right. They don't make passes or anything at me."
Now he calls himself undecided on the issue.
Franknbeans
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beavers
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/29/us/supreme-court-same-sex-marriage.htmlBottomfeeder Sports said:
New York Times summary of today's arguments.
And, you can listen to the arguments here:
http://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/audio/2014/14-556-q1
timschochet
Footballguy
Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr. asked whether groups of four people must be allowed to marry, while Justice Antonin Scalia said a ruling for same-sex marriage might require some members of the clergy to perform ceremonies that violate their religious teaching.
It's simply amazing to me that these specious arguments continue to be given real consideration as possible reasons for denying gay marriage.
timschochet
Footballguy
And then of course there's this old classic:
John J. Bursch, the lawyer for the opponents of same-sex marriage, argued in response that if people no longer believe that “marriage and creating children have anything to do with each other,” there will be more children born out of wedlock, which he said was a problem for society.
The ironic part about this argument is that, even if one were to accept it on its face, the lawyer here is arguing for the justices to ignore the Constitution and create law based on what is supposedly good for society. Hardly a conservative position.
John J. Bursch, the lawyer for the opponents of same-sex marriage, argued in response that if people no longer believe that “marriage and creating children have anything to do with each other,” there will be more children born out of wedlock, which he said was a problem for society.
The ironic part about this argument is that, even if one were to accept it on its face, the lawyer here is arguing for the justices to ignore the Constitution and create law based on what is supposedly good for society. Hardly a conservative position.
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bigbottom
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I think that's an unfair characterization. The lawyer raises the out of wedlock birth issue to support the legitimacy of the state actions being challenged here. And if you don't think a right is recognized by the Constitution, or you believe that the law in question overcomes the requisite level of scrutiny under a Constitutional analysis, that position is not the same thing as "arguing for the Justices to ignore the Constitution."
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timschochet
Footballguy
Hes not arguing for the justices to uphold the state laws because they're Constitutional; he's arguing for them to uphold the state laws because in his view limiting marriage to a man and a woman benefits society. Isn't that a contradiction of the traditional conservative meme that the SC should turn a blind eye to all issues other than whether a law is constitutional or not? That anything other than that was judicial activism?
