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George R.R. Martin - "A Dance With Dragons" (1 Viewer)
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
Pace yourself. There is virtually a zero chance you get two books behind before 2015.
TexanFan02
Footballguy
The Flying Elvis
Footballguy
Apparently Amazon.de shipped out copies of the book early today and then fixed it. Some people have reported to being delivered the book or having it en route. Wonder if it will affect the US release.
aardball44
Footballguy
Got. Mine.
The Flying Elvis
Footballguy
From Europe? Or did you find it online?
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I'm hoping he speeds up to appease HBO but yeah, you are right.
aardball44
Footballguy
Won't risk saying anything more about it at the moment, but let's just say it was an unexpected surprise. Was hoping to have Book 4 completed by the time it showed up, but I'm only halfway through. I'll blow through these last few hundred pages and then jump into the new one.From Europe? Or did you find it online?
The Flying Elvis
Footballguy
Jealous of everyone in Europe and anywhere else who got this book... Gonna be a long two weeks, crossing my fingers they move up the date to combat leaks and stuff but realize it's unlikely.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
It's got people jumping off of bridges, but I'm not too worried. That review contains nothing that wasn't already known/guessed - either through officially released chapters (Martin has had 4 or 5 in rotation on his site for years), through transcripts of various readings he's done, or through just the general info of who has chapters in the book. In fact, I'm wondering if this person even read the whole thing (or any of it) as I could've written that review without having laid eyes on the book and I'm far from the most diligent observer.'Matthias said:
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The Flying Elvis
Footballguy
What are the chances of somewhere like a Costco/BJ's/Walmart having this book on there shelves a bit early? Don't have many independent small bookstores around my area.
CletiusMaximus
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fasteddie_21
2006 NM Poker Champ
Have it pre-ordered to be D/L'd to the wife's and my Kindle's overnight!
TexanFan02
Footballguy
You've got time....
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I can't remember if I pre-ordered or not. It may have been as long as 4 years ago. 
Rick James
Footballguy
Well, got my copy yesterday and blew through 200 pages with the quickness. This is really good stuff guys.
IrishTwinkie
Footballguy
Got mine on teh kindle just after 3am EDT. I am predicting a long night of... just one more chapter. just one more, I mean it.
Rick James
Footballguy
very good chances actually. I picked up a copy from BJ's on MONDAY
The Flying Elvis
Footballguy
ONLY FOR THOSE WHO HAVE FINISHED...
Jon has to come back right? Can't be dead...
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Sabertooth
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I got mine too. I am already scratching my head trying to remember the the Unsullied are or were. 
kupcho1
Footballguy
I got mine too. I am already scratching my head trying to remember the the Unsullied are or were.
Slave warriors. Feel no pain. Took a name each day (e.g., Gray Worm) til freed.
Fiddles
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These ones...I got mine too. I am already scratching my head trying to remember the the Unsullied are or were.
Uruk-Hai
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Jon's last chapter - the letter and the knives. I was thinking that the letter was fake, too, but then how did he know about Mance?
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The Flying Elvis
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So what are the odds that...
Jon Snow is really dead? I mean, I know GRRM isn't afraid to kill of characters but Jon, cmon... Does he get reborn by Melissandre? I feel like the cliffhanger means that Snow isn't truly dead, otherwise you don't leave it open for another possible 5 years.
TeamDingo
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Jon's last chapter - the letter and the knives. I was thinking that the letter was fake, too, but then how did he know about Mance?
I think the Mance part is the only truth in the letter so if you are a Mnace fan (I am not - oathbreaking brother killer)then yes I feel your pain
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
Warning: there are major spoilers in my post and I didn't disguise what I was referring to very well to get my points across.
When I first read that passage, I was sure he was dead. But after thinking on it for a couple of days, I think not. The prologue (that talked at length about how to warg), the "kill the boy so the man can be born" stuff Jon thinks about, preserving dead bodies in the ice.....all of that makes me think now that Jon may have warged out to Ghost to keep his "essence" alive and that Mel or someone/something will rebirth his body. I don't think he'll end up like his step-mom, but as a real person again. I also think that he's being set up to be Azor Ahai (sp?) - every time Mel looked in the fire for AA (who she thinks is Stannis) she saw Jon. And if you subscribe to a prevailing theory about who Jon's parents are, it strengthens that theory.
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Uruk-Hai
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Jon's last chapter - the letter and the knives. I was thinking that the letter was fake, too, but then how did he know about Mance?
I think the Mance part is the only truth in the letter so if you are a Mnace fan (I am not - oathbreaking brother killer)then yes I feel your pain
I think you be proven right. Not knowing where Theon and Jeyne are seems to make it more likely. It's not that I'm a Mance fan, just that the letter caught me completely off-guard and was closely followed by the stabbing. That friggin Ramsay can't have a bad enough death IMO.
encaitar
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Warning: there are major spoilers in my post and I didn't disguise what I was referring to very well to get my points across.
When I first read that passage, I was sure he was dead. But after thinking on it for a couple of days, I think not. The prologue (that talked at length about how to warg), the "kill the boy so the man can be born" stuff Jon thinks about, preserving dead bodies in the ice.....all of that makes me think now that Jon may have warged out to Ghost to keep his "essence" alive and that Mel or someone/something will rebirth his body. I don't think he'll end up like his step-mom, but as a real person again. I also think that he's being set up to be Azor Ahai (sp?) - every time Mel looked in the fire for AA (who she thinks is Stannis) she saw Jon. And if you subscribe to a prevailing theory about who Jon's parents are, it strengthens that theory.
Jon won't stay dead for this reason only. Whose story would you care about north of the Trident if he dies? The most important part of this series is happening at the wall and without Jon, no one would give a damn. The one question I have about if Jon dies and is ressurected... Does that free him from his vows? They state they end at his death, but if he is reborn, then he would be free right?
encaitar
Footballguy
eta: I agree with your pissedoffedness, too
I think the Mance part is the only truth in the letter so if you are a Mnace fan (I am not - oathbreaking brother killer)then yes I feel your pain
I think you be proven right. Not knowing where Theon and Jeyne are seems to make it more likely. It's not that I'm a Mance fan, just that the letter caught me completely off-guard and was closely followed by the stabbing. That friggin Ramsay can't have a bad enough death IMO.
I thought Mance and the six spear wives were clearly Abell and the six "washerwomen" that were already in Winterfell before the siege started. So, given that their cover was blown while rescuing Jeyne, it follows that Ramsay's methods could get the others to talk quite easily. Thus, giving him a good basis for a lie.
Abrantes
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Phew, just finished it. Lots of stuff to process, so I'm not quite ready to say where I'd rank this one relative to the others. Far from perfect, but it picks up some serious steam towards the end. Alas, I now feel even more strongly that splitting the POVs in books 4 and 5 was a terrible decision. This is, in large part, responsible for the pacing issues mentioned by UH above. Haven't browsed the fan message boards yet, but I wonder if anyone has already spliced the two books together to put the chapters in chronological order. I'd be interested.
Scattered thoughts - I'll try to add to them later.
Scattered thoughts - I'll try to add to them later.
-As I mentioned in the HBO series thread, I'm left flabbergasted at the badness of most Daenerys chapters. Almost feels as if they were written by someone else. For the most part, the tough khaleesi we'd seen in previous books regresses to the little child she'd been in the very early parts of the first book. Extremely disappointed, particularly considering how many chapters she gets. Riding Drogon out of the pit was pretty badass, though. Do more of that.
-Jon Snow beheading Janos Slynt was just a phenomenal moment, and easily the highlight of the first two thirds of the book. Maybe the whole book. In sharp contrast to my Daenerys complaints, I enjoyed nearly every one of Jon's chapters.
-Loved Davos explaining what Stannis had to offer to Lord Manderly: "Vengeance." Damn right! On a related note, the Freys are still despicable and I hope they burn.
-While Theon/Reek's transformation and development was fascinating in a way, Ramsay's character was too much for me. He's an exaggerated cartoon villain in a world that strives for realism. I understand that he's meant to be eeeeeevil, but some of his antics (culminating with ordering Theon to pleasure Jeyne while he watched) were preposterous. Lady Dustin wanting to feed Ned's bones to her dogs is equally over-the-top. You can make someone abominable without turning him into a caricature.
-Does every sea voyage in this world result in massive casualties?? Good lord. It's a wonder there are any seafarers left.
-Agree that the bit in the letters about Stannis' host being all dead sounds implausible. Despite GRRM's merciless approach, I doubt he'd kill off Stannis, Asha and Theon between chapters like that.
-Jon Snow's apparent death made me FURIOUS, and for the first time since the Red Wedding, I had to just stop and go do something else to gather my thoughts. Took me a while to get through Barristan's ensuing chapter. Thanks for calming me down with the idea that Jon will return somehow. I considered the warging idea, but the cruel fat man didn't even bother to hint at it. I sulked, but have faith now.
-Victarion is just cool as hell.
-Dolorous Edd Tollett continues to have so many great lines. It may not seem like much, but his unique sort of levity goes a long way.
-Wish there had been something more about what Sam, Sarella and Jaquen H'gar are up to in Oldtown. That's one plot I haven't figured out yet.
-In the epilogue, the white raven signaling winter arrives at the same time that Varys shows up to kill Pycelle/Kevan? Whatever. Bit of a goofy coincidence.
-There's more I could add, but I just hope the next books come quicker now that the timeline mess has been mostly sorted out.
-Jon Snow beheading Janos Slynt was just a phenomenal moment, and easily the highlight of the first two thirds of the book. Maybe the whole book. In sharp contrast to my Daenerys complaints, I enjoyed nearly every one of Jon's chapters.
-Loved Davos explaining what Stannis had to offer to Lord Manderly: "Vengeance." Damn right! On a related note, the Freys are still despicable and I hope they burn.
-While Theon/Reek's transformation and development was fascinating in a way, Ramsay's character was too much for me. He's an exaggerated cartoon villain in a world that strives for realism. I understand that he's meant to be eeeeeevil, but some of his antics (culminating with ordering Theon to pleasure Jeyne while he watched) were preposterous. Lady Dustin wanting to feed Ned's bones to her dogs is equally over-the-top. You can make someone abominable without turning him into a caricature.
-Does every sea voyage in this world result in massive casualties?? Good lord. It's a wonder there are any seafarers left.
-Agree that the bit in the letters about Stannis' host being all dead sounds implausible. Despite GRRM's merciless approach, I doubt he'd kill off Stannis, Asha and Theon between chapters like that.
-Jon Snow's apparent death made me FURIOUS, and for the first time since the Red Wedding, I had to just stop and go do something else to gather my thoughts. Took me a while to get through Barristan's ensuing chapter. Thanks for calming me down with the idea that Jon will return somehow. I considered the warging idea, but the cruel fat man didn't even bother to hint at it. I sulked, but have faith now.
-Victarion is just cool as hell.
-Dolorous Edd Tollett continues to have so many great lines. It may not seem like much, but his unique sort of levity goes a long way.
-Wish there had been something more about what Sam, Sarella and Jaquen H'gar are up to in Oldtown. That's one plot I haven't figured out yet.
-In the epilogue, the white raven signaling winter arrives at the same time that Varys shows up to kill Pycelle/Kevan? Whatever. Bit of a goofy coincidence.
-There's more I could add, but I just hope the next books come quicker now that the timeline mess has been mostly sorted out.
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Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
'encaitar said:
Warning: there are major spoilers in my post and I didn't disguise what I was referring to very well to get my points across.When I first read that passage, I was sure he was dead. But after thinking on it for a couple of days, I think not. The prologue (that talked at length about how to warg), the "kill the boy so the man can be born" stuff Jon thinks about, preserving dead bodies in the ice.....all of that makes me think now that Jon may have warged out to Ghost to keep his "essence" alive and that Mel or someone/something will rebirth his body. I don't think he'll end up like his step-mom, but as a real person again. I also think that he's being set up to be Azor Ahai (sp?) - every time Mel looked in the fire for AA (who she thinks is Stannis) she saw Jon. And if you subscribe to a prevailing theory about who Jon's parents are, it strengthens that theory.
Jon won't stay dead for this reason only. Whose story would you care about north of the Trident if he dies? The most important part of this series is happening at the wall and without Jon, no one would give a damn. The one question I have about if Jon dies and is ressurected... Does that free him from his vows? They state they end at his death, but if he is reborn, then he would be free right?
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
'encaitar said:
eta: I agree with your pissedoffedness, too
I think the Mance part is the only truth in the letter so if you are a Mnace fan (I am not - oathbreaking brother killer)then yes I feel your pain
I think you be proven right. Not knowing where Theon and Jeyne are seems to make it more likely. It's not that I'm a Mance fan, just that the letter caught me completely off-guard and was closely followed by the stabbing. That friggin Ramsay can't have a bad enough death IMO.
I thought Mance and the six spear wives were clearly Abell and the six "washerwomen" that were already in Winterfell before the siege started. So, given that their cover was blown while rescuing Jeyne, it follows that Ramsay's methods could get the others to talk quite easily. Thus, giving him a good basis for a lie.
I'm usually dumb as a box of rocks about stuff like this, but I actually did pick up on Mance = Abel all by my lonesome. My mom would be so proud... In any case, I didn't consider that Ramsay could've caught one of the spearwives and tortured the truth out of her without actually having Mance in hand. That makes sense - thanks.
encaitar
Footballguy
The character I gained the most respect for in this book was Lord Manderly. Finally, a northerner stepping up to remember the Starks. Always thought he was weak, yet he turned out to be the truest of the northerners.
ETA: They ate the three missing Freys at the wedding feast right? Three pies, three Freys......
ETA: They ate the three missing Freys at the wedding feast right? Three pies, three Freys......
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
Yep
Sabertooth
Footballguy
edited out
Thanks buddy, I'm only about 90 pages in.
Thanks buddy, I'm only about 90 pages in.
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Uruk-Hai
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Sorry - thought I was giving my overall feelings without going into any detail. If you can infer anything specific from what I wrote, you should change your name to Kreskin. Hell, what I wrote is a lot less detailed than just about any "non-spoiler" review I read.But if you think I gave something away, I'll apologize again and delete my post.
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Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
Yep. Seems probable now, doesn't it?
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