Giants tell Droughns he'll split time with Jacobs (1 Viewer)

[Big Blue Wrecking Crew]

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Not much detail, but gives a look at the future.

 

[Da Guru]

For Jacobs size he takes some big hits,,Giants worried about BJ getting 25 carries a game.

 

[bostonfred]

It's so new, it was obvious that he did not want to create waves with Jacobs, the third-year running back who rushed 96 times for 423 yards (4.4 yard average) and nine touchdowns."It's not my job," Droughns said when asked if he considered the starting halfback job open. "It's Brandon's, because he was the guy who's here. Brandon's next in line. It's his job to lose, but I'm sure he doesn't want to lose it. It's going to be a good competition in training camp."

If this is the only competition Jacobs has, I feel like his value went up this offseason - I think Jacobs could be a solid fantasy RB2 as part of a RBBC, and may get double digit TDs with 1000 total yards. It's hard to project him for much more, but I like him at his likely August/September price.

 

[thecardiackid]

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Not much detail, but gives a look at the future.

<paste>"It's not my job," Droughns said when asked if he considered the starting halfback job open. "It's Brandon's, because he was the guy who's here. Brandon's next in line. It's his job to lose, but I'm sure he doesn't want to lose it. It's going to be a good competition in training camp."

Maybe it's my "Brandon Jones owner" selective hearing, but this doesn't sound like he's getting prepared for a 50/50, two back RBBC just yet.

Could happen, but IMO - only after Jones gets 3/4 games of the *majority* of the carries and proves he's not ready. I still think it's going to avg 65/35 - with Jones recognizing the opportunity he's been given and doing something with it.

 

[Team Legacy]

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Not much detail, but gives a look at the future.

<paste>"It's not my job," Droughns said when asked if he considered the starting halfback job open. "It's Brandon's, because he was the guy who's here. Brandon's next in line. It's his job to lose, but I'm sure he doesn't want to lose it. It's going to be a good competition in training camp."

Maybe it's my "Brandon Jones owner" selective hearing, but this doesn't sound like he's getting prepared for a 50/50, two back RBBC just yet.

Could happen, but IMO - only after Jones gets 3/4 games of the *majority* of the carries and proves he's not ready. I still think it's going to avg 65/35 - with Jones recognizing the opportunity he's been given and doing something with it.

I think you mean Jacobs.

 

[Bri]

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Not much detail, but gives a look at the future.

I don't think that they'd split time was a Q but how much the split would be

 

[Rovers]

I still think the G Men will look for another RB to drop to them in the draft, an Irons/Booker type.

What is really mystifying me is why the Giants have'nt attempted anything in the FA market, especially since they need LB's and June and Mitchell along with several others are out there. I know it's rumored that they like some guys, like Wilkerson, but what the heck are they doing? They also need a RG.... and they do nothing. For a new, rookie GM.... is he afraid to pull the trigger? That's the way it looks to me....

 

[Banger]

If Jacobs can't beat out Droughns he doesnt' deserve to be a starting RB. Droughns is about the weakest competition he could get.

 

[prymetyme25]

If Jacobs can't beat out Droughns he doesnt' deserve to be a starting RB. Droughns is about the weakest competition he could get.

signed,Lee Suggs & William Green

 

[Banger]

If Jacobs can't beat out Droughns he doesnt' deserve to be a starting RB. Droughns is about the weakest competition he could get.

signed,Lee Suggs & William Green

and aren't they out of the NFL (or just about)?

 

[Yenrub]

I still think the G Men will look for another RB to drop to them in the draft, an Irons/Booker type. What is really mystifying me is why the Giants have'nt attempted anything in the FA market, especially since they need LB's and June and Mitchell along with several others are out there. I know it's rumored that they like some guys, like Wilkerson, but what the heck are they doing? They also need a RG.... and they do nothing. For a new, rookie GM.... is he afraid to pull the trigger? That's the way it looks to me....

Or maybe Reese doesn't want to spend 1st tier money on a 2nd tier player, which has been happening a lot this free agency period.

 

[thecardiackid]

Link

Not much detail, but gives a look at the future.

<paste>"It's not my job," Droughns said when asked if he considered the starting halfback job open. "It's Brandon's, because he was the guy who's here. Brandon's next in line. It's his job to lose, but I'm sure he doesn't want to lose it. It's going to be a good competition in training camp."

Maybe it's my "Brandon Jones owner" selective hearing, but this doesn't sound like he's getting prepared for a 50/50, two back RBBC just yet.

Could happen, but IMO - only after Jones gets 3/4 games of the *majority* of the carries and proves he's not ready. I still think it's going to avg 65/35 - with Jones recognizing the opportunity he's been given and doing something with it.

I think you mean Jacobs.

Got em' both.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

If Jacobs can't beat out Droughns he doesnt' deserve to be a starting RB. Droughns is about the weakest competition he could get.

signed,Lee Suggs & William Green

 

[Construction Man Jim]

I still think the G Men will look for another RB to drop to them in the draft, an Irons/Booker type. What is really mystifying me is why the Giants have'nt attempted anything in the FA market, especially since they need LB's and June and Mitchell along with several others are out there. I know it's rumored that they like some guys, like Wilkerson, but what the heck are they doing? They also need a RG.... and they do nothing. For a new, rookie GM.... is he afraid to pull the trigger? That's the way it looks to me....

Reese has been very smart so far. There isn't anybody out there worth over spending for. Wilkinson has a lot of potential and Kiwi may see time on the strong side. They don't need a RG. Chris Snee is one of the best young guards in the league. They are returning 4 of 5 starters on the o-line:LT - Diehl/ WhimperLG - SeubertC - O'HaraRG - SneeRT - MacKenzie

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

"Thunder and Lightning" becomes "Thunder and Blunder".

The only question is which is which.

 

[Sweet Love]

In two years we are going to be calling Jacobs CWII...as in Charles Way Part Deux. I am still waiting for that 260lb'er to rip it up as a primary RB in the NFL.

 

[Avery]

In two years we are going to be calling Jacobs CWII...as in Charles Way Part Deux. I am still waiting for that 260lb'er to rip it up as a primary RB in the NFL.

A poor comparison.Way was a career FB who was a very good receiver, a solid runner and a great blocker whose five year career was ended prematurely by a degenerative knee injury.Jacobs is a RB whose skill set seems different than Ways therefore I don't understand the comparison to Brandon Jacobs except they were both larger size backs, Way at about 245 lbs and Jacobs upwards of 260.BTW, I'm about 5'9" but I don't think I'd compare well to Steve Smith or Deion Brnach as an NFL WR so, for God's sake, can we put an end to comparing Jacobs to other NFL players simply based on size?

 

[Riffraff]

IMO, both RBs gained value with the trade.

1. Jacobs - an unusually sized RB with 96 career rushes, would rather compete against Droughns than against perennial all-pro Tiki. Better chance at getting playing time.

2. Droughns - a two time 1,000 yard rusher (with two different teams) would rather compete against Jacobs than against Jamal Lewis and Adrian Peterson. Better chance at getting playing time.

Value is Droughns in a draft though. Comparable stats 5 rounds later.

 

[H.K.]

If Jacobs can't beat out Droughns he doesnt' deserve to be a starting RB. Droughns is about the weakest competition he could get.

How many RB's in the NFL today have rushed for 1200+ yards in consecutive seasons? It ain't that many and I know Jacobs isn't on that list.

Rhodes, CBrown, Duckett or Buckhalter to NYG was the best hope for Jacobs to have any FF value this year. None of them are proven full-time guys. Droughns has proven he can handle the whole load, while Jacobs remains a huge question mark.

If its a competition, which it will be, Droughns will win it and get the bulk of the work. He should be close to 300 touches this year, with Jacobs retaining his GL & short yardage role similar to what he did with Tiki.

Giants still are going RB early in the draft, too, so Jacobs takes a further hit.

Right now the "split" forecast should be:

Droughns 60-65%

Jacobs 15-20%

Others - what's leftover

 

[msommer]

In two years we are going to be calling Jacobs CWII...as in Charles Way Part Deux. I am still waiting for that 260lb'er to rip it up as a primary RB in the NFL.

A poor comparison.Way was a career FB who was a very good receiver, a solid runner and a great blocker whose five year career was ended prematurely by a degenerative knee injury.

Jacobs is a RB whose skill set seems different than Ways therefore I don't understand the comparison to Brandon Jacobs except they were both larger size backs, Way at about 245 lbs and Jacobs upwards of 260.

BTW, I'm about 5'9" but I don't think I'd compare well to Steve Smith or Deion Brnach as an NFL WR so, for God's sake, can we put an end to comparing Jacobs to other NFL players simply based on size?

What team do you play for?

 

[H.K.]

Value is Droughns in a draft though. Comparable stats 5 rounds later.

Look at this data. Since 2004, here are the RB's who have run for 1200 yds in a season:Three Seasons over 1200 yds

LaDainian Tomlinson

Tiki Barber

Rudi Johnson

Two Seasons over 1200 yds

Clinton Portis

Edgerrin James

Larry Johnson

Shaun Alexander

Thomas Jones

Willie Parker

Reuben Droughns

One Season over 1200 yds

Brian Westbrook

Chester Taylor

Corey Dillon

Curtis Martin

Frank Gore

Fred Taylor

Travis Henry

Warrick Dunn

Willis McGahee

Steven Jackson

Pretty rare company that Mr. Droughns keeps.

With the exception of the players who retired, I would assume anyone else left on that list would be the primary ball carrier if they became a Giant. However, Droughns is not seen as a threat to Jacobs. Too bad FF drafts aren't being held this week.

 

[Banger]

If Jacobs can't beat out Droughns he doesnt' deserve to be a starting RB. Droughns is about the weakest competition he could get.

:X How many RB's in the NFL today have rushed for 1200+ yards in consecutive seasons? It ain't that many and I know Jacobs isn't on that list.

Rhodes, CBrown, Duckett or Buckhalter to NYG was the best hope for Jacobs to have any FF value this year. None of them are proven full-time guys. Droughns has proven he can handle the whole load, while Jacobs remains a huge question mark.

If its a competition, which it will be, Droughns will win it and get the bulk of the work. He should be close to 300 touches this year, with Jacobs retaining his GL & short yardage role similar to what he did with Tiki.

Giants still are going RB early in the draft, too, so Jacobs takes a further hit.

Right now the "split" forecast should be:

Droughns 60-65%

Jacobs 15-20%

Others - what's leftover

I meant of the rumored/available "starting" backs. His skillset is most like Jacobs (more of a plodder than a speed guy). Last year Jacobs got 21% of the carries with Tiki on the squad, Droughns is no Tiki. There's nothing I've heard, read, etc. that would indicate that Jacobs role would stay the same, in fact I've read otherwise. I'm not a Jacobs lover at all but I'm just a realist and know that Droughns is a below average NFL back. Maybe Jacobs is too but I'd probably gamble on the unknown rather than the known in this case.

 

[H.K.]

I meant of the rumored/available "starting" backs. His skillset is most like Jacobs (more of a plodder than a speed guy). Last year Jacobs got 21% of the carries with Tiki on the squad, Droughns is no Tiki. There's nothing I've heard, read, etc. that would indicate that Jacobs role would stay the same, in fact I've read otherwise. I'm not a Jacobs lover at all but I'm just a realist and know that Droughns is a below average NFL back. Maybe Jacobs is too but I'd probably gamble on the unknown rather than the known in this case.

Below average? He's one of 10 RB's to run for 1200 yards multiple times in the past three seasons. Of course the Giants are going to say its an open competition, would you not want to challenge your players each year by saying all positions are up for grabs? IMO, you are underestimating Droughns. He's good enough to keep Jacobs in his old role, and it makes sense that the Giants get another RB in the draft, if for nothing other than depth. More RB's in the mix will keep Jacobs on the bench.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I meant of the rumored/available "starting" backs. His skillset is most like Jacobs (more of a plodder than a speed guy). Last year Jacobs got 21% of the carries with Tiki on the squad, Droughns is no Tiki. There's nothing I've heard, read, etc. that would indicate that Jacobs role would stay the same, in fact I've read otherwise. I'm not a Jacobs lover at all but I'm just a realist and know that Droughns is a below average NFL back. Maybe Jacobs is too but I'd probably gamble on the unknown rather than the known in this case.

Below average? He's one of 10 RB's to run for 1200 yards multiple times in the past three seasons. Of course the Giants are going to say its an open competition, would you not want to challenge your players each year by saying all positions are up for grabs? IMO, you are underestimating Droughns. He's good enough to keep Jacobs in his old role, and it makes sense that the Giants get another RB in the draft, if for nothing other than depth. More RB's in the mix will keep Jacobs on the bench.

So, HK loves Droughns and hates Gates.Got it

 

[H.K.]

So, HK loves Droughns and hates Gates.Got it

I love Gates in ways that probably aren't healthy , unfortunately his three year keeper status expired for me this year so I have to give him up. As for Droughns, I am merely trying to educate people who are dismissing him so easily in NY.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

So, HK loves Droughns and hates Gates.Got it

I love Gates in ways that probably aren't healthy , unfortunately his three year keeper status expired for me this year so I have to give him up. As for Droughns, I am merely trying to educate people who are dismissing him so easily in NY.

I think Jacobs gets his chance to win that job. Droughns is product of the Denver system, while he was decent two years ago in cleveland, He is not elite back or anything.

 

[Banger]

I meant of the rumored/available "starting" backs. His skillset is most like Jacobs (more of a plodder than a speed guy). Last year Jacobs got 21% of the carries with Tiki on the squad, Droughns is no Tiki. There's nothing I've heard, read, etc. that would indicate that Jacobs role would stay the same, in fact I've read otherwise. I'm not a Jacobs lover at all but I'm just a realist and know that Droughns is a below average NFL back. Maybe Jacobs is too but I'd probably gamble on the unknown rather than the known in this case.

Below average? He's one of 10 RB's to run for 1200 yards multiple times in the past three seasons. Of course the Giants are going to say its an open competition, would you not want to challenge your players each year by saying all positions are up for grabs? IMO, you are underestimating Droughns. He's good enough to keep Jacobs in his old role, and it makes sense that the Giants get another RB in the draft, if for nothing other than depth. More RB's in the mix will keep Jacobs on the bench.

That stat means nothing to me. 1200 yards is nice but one year he was with Denver so you can throw that out and the other with Clev he had a 4.0 ypc with an impressive 2 tds. He's a plodder and needs a ton of carries to put up decent #'s. Last year (which is most relevant to me) he lost his job and had a 3.4 ypc. He's just not good.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

I meant of the rumored/available "starting" backs. His skillset is most like Jacobs (more of a plodder than a speed guy). Last year Jacobs got 21% of the carries with Tiki on the squad, Droughns is no Tiki. There's nothing I've heard, read, etc. that would indicate that Jacobs role would stay the same, in fact I've read otherwise. I'm not a Jacobs lover at all but I'm just a realist and know that Droughns is a below average NFL back. Maybe Jacobs is too but I'd probably gamble on the unknown rather than the known in this case.

Below average? He's one of 10 RB's to run for 1200 yards multiple times in the past three seasons. Of course the Giants are going to say its an open competition, would you not want to challenge your players each year by saying all positions are up for grabs? IMO, you are underestimating Droughns. He's good enough to keep Jacobs in his old role, and it makes sense that the Giants get another RB in the draft, if for nothing other than depth. More RB's in the mix will keep Jacobs on the bench.

That stat means nothing to me. 1200 yards is nice but one year he was with Denver so you can throw that out and the other with Clev he had a 4.0 ypc with an impressive 2 tds. He's a plodder and needs a ton of carries to put up decent #'s. Last year (which is most relevant to me) he lost his job and had a 3.4 ypc. He's just not good.

Droughns was playing last year behind a poor O-line (that went through, what, 3 or 4 starting centers before the season began?), with an inexperienced QB. Is it really any shock that his stats were worse in 2006? The previous season he was able to put up solid numbers on a team that lacked playmakers. I don't see any rational basis for talking down Droughns. Is he a stud? No. Is he capable of starting in the NFL? I'd say he's a lot more proven than Brandon Jacobs.

 

[zamboni]

So, HK loves Droughns and hates Gates.Got it

I love Gates in ways that probably aren't healthy , unfortunately his three year keeper status expired for me this year so I have to give him up. As for Droughns, I am merely trying to educate people who are dismissing him so easily in NY.

I think Jacobs gets his chance to win that job. Droughns is product of the Denver system, while he was decent two years ago in cleveland, He is not elite back or anything.

Agreed. It seems clear that it's Jacobs' job to lose. I think Droughns was brought it to alleviate some of the load, and perhaps fill in if Jacobs proves that he's not well-suited to handle 20+ carries a game.

 

[Keg]

I meant of the rumored/available "starting" backs. His skillset is most like Jacobs (more of a plodder than a speed guy). Last year Jacobs got 21% of the carries with Tiki on the squad, Droughns is no Tiki. There's nothing I've heard, read, etc. that would indicate that Jacobs role would stay the same, in fact I've read otherwise. I'm not a Jacobs lover at all but I'm just a realist and know that Droughns is a below average NFL back. Maybe Jacobs is too but I'd probably gamble on the unknown rather than the known in this case.

Below average? He's one of 10 RB's to run for 1200 yards multiple times in the past three seasons. Of course the Giants are going to say its an open competition, would you not want to challenge your players each year by saying all positions are up for grabs? IMO, you are underestimating Droughns. He's good enough to keep Jacobs in his old role, and it makes sense that the Giants get another RB in the draft, if for nothing other than depth. More RB's in the mix will keep Jacobs on the bench.

That stat means nothing to me. 1200 yards is nice but one year he was with Denver so you can throw that out and the other with Clev he had a 4.0 ypc with an impressive 2 tds. He's a plodder and needs a ton of carries to put up decent #'s. Last year (which is most relevant to me) he lost his job and had a 3.4 ypc. He's just not good.

how did the primary runner in denver fair last yr? you cant just say it happened because he was in denver..well you can actually say it but that doesnt mean it makes much sense...if emmitt played for the browns for the majority of his career he wouldnt be the all time leader in rushing either

 

[Banger]

I meant of the rumored/available "starting" backs. His skillset is most like Jacobs (more of a plodder than a speed guy). Last year Jacobs got 21% of the carries with Tiki on the squad, Droughns is no Tiki. There's nothing I've heard, read, etc. that would indicate that Jacobs role would stay the same, in fact I've read otherwise. I'm not a Jacobs lover at all but I'm just a realist and know that Droughns is a below average NFL back. Maybe Jacobs is too but I'd probably gamble on the unknown rather than the known in this case.

Below average? He's one of 10 RB's to run for 1200 yards multiple times in the past three seasons. Of course the Giants are going to say its an open competition, would you not want to challenge your players each year by saying all positions are up for grabs? IMO, you are underestimating Droughns. He's good enough to keep Jacobs in his old role, and it makes sense that the Giants get another RB in the draft, if for nothing other than depth. More RB's in the mix will keep Jacobs on the bench.

That stat means nothing to me. 1200 yards is nice but one year he was with Denver so you can throw that out and the other with Clev he had a 4.0 ypc with an impressive 2 tds. He's a plodder and needs a ton of carries to put up decent #'s. Last year (which is most relevant to me) he lost his job and had a 3.4 ypc. He's just not good.

how did the primary runner in denver fair last yr? you cant just say it happened because he was in denver..well you can actually say it but that doesnt mean it makes much sense...if emmitt played for the browns for the majority of his career he wouldnt be the all time leader in rushing either

Crappy and look where they are this year. Still Mike Bell who does nothing special ran for 4.3 and 8 td's last year with a worse line than when Droughns was there. I don't think you want to argue that Denver doesnt' make average/below average backs look good. Ya, Droughns line was bad, no argument here but tell me of all the starting RB's in the league last year at the beginning of the year how many was Droughns better than? Off the top of my head I'd say Lundy and that might be it. There's probably 1/2 dozen backups or more (MJD, Turner, Maroney, McAllister, Benson, MB3, etc.) that were better than him. He's a below average RB.

 

[David Yudkin]

I still think people are sleeping on Jacobs. I suspect he will get a 60/40 share of the carries but a 90/10 breakdown of the goal line work.

I keep harping on the fact that the Giants have used their RBs a lot in the Coughlin era and I suspect that they will continue to do so. The total # of RB touches has increased from 456 --> 467 --> 487 --> 503 the past few years. Similarly, the total yardage from the RB slot has also gone from 2132 --> 2494 --> 2625 --> 2789.

Long story short, either the Giants will continue to get a lot of RB production or we are WAY sleeping on the Giants passing attack. It pretty much has to be one or the other as the Gmen will be moving the ball one way or another. Remember the Giants ranked 3rd in points socred in 05 (they fell to 11th in 06) and they should be a top offense again in 07.

If the defense is better (READ AS: Healthier), I suspect that they will have more chance to run even more and take the air out of the ball should they get ahead.

This may be worth drafting BOTH Jacobs and Droughns, as one or the other should be in for a decent season. Again I would estimate a 60/40 split of the carries in Jacobs favor at this point but with a lot more scoring opportunities.

 

[Banger]

I still think people are sleeping on Jacobs. I suspect he will get a 60/40 share of the carries but a 90/10 breakdown of the goal line work.I keep harping on the fact that the Giants have used their RBs a lot in the Coughlin era and I suspect that they will continue to do so. The total # of RB touches has increased from 456 --> 467 --> 487 --> 503 the past few years. Similarly, the total yardage from the RB slot has also gone from 2132 --> 2494 --> 2625 --> 2789.Long story short, either the Giants will continue to get a lot of RB production or we are WAY sleeping on the Giants passing attack. It pretty much has to be one or the other as the Gmen will be moving the ball one way or another. Remember the Giants ranked 3rd in points socred in 05 (they fell to 11th in 06) and they should be a top offense again in 07.If the defense is better (READ AS: Healthier), I suspect that they will have more chance to run even more and take the air out of the ball should they get ahead.This may be worth drafting BOTH Jacobs and Droughns, as one or the other should be in for a decent season. Again I would estimate a 60/40 split of the carries in Jacobs favor at this point but with a lot more scoring opportunities.

Agree totally

 

[Koya]

The fact is, Brandon Jacobs has a lot of potential, and a lot of downside. I am talking in NFL football terms.

So, the Giants brought in a decent and very serviceable back that could be an ok full timer or a solid backup / RBBC member.

The fact is, the Giants hope that Jacobs plays up to their hopes and does not get injured. If that is the case, he will get 60-70% of the carries when that is proven.

If he fails in that endeavor, he will get far less carries and if he is just ok, you have a true RBBC.

There is not much use hashing out EXACTLY what will happen not because I can tell you - the Giants certainly don't know. They want Jacobs to impress them and be a true feature back, but there are way too many question marks to count on that. For anyone to assume they know the split, or know what the Giants "really" want to do is silly at this point.

 

[kensat30]

I still think people are sleeping on Jacobs. I suspect he will get a 60/40 share of the carries but a 90/10 breakdown of the goal line work.I keep harping on the fact that the Giants have used their RBs a lot in the Coughlin era and I suspect that they will continue to do so. The total # of RB touches has increased from 456 --> 467 --> 487 --> 503 the past few years. Similarly, the total yardage from the RB slot has also gone from 2132 --> 2494 --> 2625 --> 2789.Long story short, either the Giants will continue to get a lot of RB production or we are WAY sleeping on the Giants passing attack. It pretty much has to be one or the other as the Gmen will be moving the ball one way or another. Remember the Giants ranked 3rd in points socred in 05 (they fell to 11th in 06) and they should be a top offense again in 07.If the defense is better (READ AS: Healthier), I suspect that they will have more chance to run even more and take the air out of the ball should they get ahead.This may be worth drafting BOTH Jacobs and Droughns, as one or the other should be in for a decent season. Again I would estimate a 60/40 split of the carries in Jacobs favor at this point but with a lot more scoring opportunities.

Underestimating Tiki a little bit? I think those people who bought high on Kevan Barlow a few years back were doing the same type of "fill in the blank" production quotas. You just don't replace Tiki Barber's production when he retires. The guy was probably one of the top3 most productive RBs in the NFL the past few seasons and one of the few true studs.New York will see their production dip across the board, because Tiki both ran and caught the ball well. Droughn should be viewed as a sign that the Gmen are going in a different direction. Droughns runs big, just like Jacobs, and where is the finesse and scatback ability that Tiki was known for? It's gone.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

I still think people are sleeping on Jacobs. I suspect he will get a 60/40 share of the carries but a 90/10 breakdown of the goal line work.I keep harping on the fact that the Giants have used their RBs a lot in the Coughlin era and I suspect that they will continue to do so. The total # of RB touches has increased from 456 --> 467 --> 487 --> 503 the past few years. Similarly, the total yardage from the RB slot has also gone from 2132 --> 2494 --> 2625 --> 2789.Long story short, either the Giants will continue to get a lot of RB production or we are WAY sleeping on the Giants passing attack. It pretty much has to be one or the other as the Gmen will be moving the ball one way or another. Remember the Giants ranked 3rd in points socred in 05 (they fell to 11th in 06) and they should be a top offense again in 07.If the defense is better (READ AS: Healthier), I suspect that they will have more chance to run even more and take the air out of the ball should they get ahead.This may be worth drafting BOTH Jacobs and Droughns, as one or the other should be in for a decent season. Again I would estimate a 60/40 split of the carries in Jacobs favor at this point but with a lot more scoring opportunities.

Underestimating Tiki a little bit? I think those people who bought high on Kevan Barlow a few years back were doing the same type of "fill in the blank" production quotas. You just don't replace Tiki Barber's production when he retires. The guy was probably one of the top3 most productive RBs in the NFL the past few seasons and one of the few true studs.New York will see their production dip across the board, because Tiki both ran and caught the ball well. Droughn should be viewed as a sign that the Gmen are going in a different direction. Droughns runs big, just like Jacobs, and where is the finesse and scatback ability that Tiki was known for? It's gone.

Teams that have one of the top 5 RB's in the NFL tend to use them a lot. looking at the Tiki Barber era and expecting that era to continue with Jacobs doesn't make too much sense IMO.

 

[David Yudkin]

I still think people are sleeping on Jacobs. I suspect he will get a 60/40 share of the carries but a 90/10 breakdown of the goal line work.I keep harping on the fact that the Giants have used their RBs a lot in the Coughlin era and I suspect that they will continue to do so. The total # of RB touches has increased from 456 --> 467 --> 487 --> 503 the past few years. Similarly, the total yardage from the RB slot has also gone from 2132 --> 2494 --> 2625 --> 2789.Long story short, either the Giants will continue to get a lot of RB production or we are WAY sleeping on the Giants passing attack. It pretty much has to be one or the other as the Gmen will be moving the ball one way or another. Remember the Giants ranked 3rd in points socred in 05 (they fell to 11th in 06) and they should be a top offense again in 07.If the defense is better (READ AS: Healthier), I suspect that they will have more chance to run even more and take the air out of the ball should they get ahead.This may be worth drafting BOTH Jacobs and Droughns, as one or the other should be in for a decent season. Again I would estimate a 60/40 split of the carries in Jacobs favor at this point but with a lot more scoring opportunities.

Underestimating Tiki a little bit? I think those people who bought high on Kevan Barlow a few years back were doing the same type of "fill in the blank" production quotas. You just don't replace Tiki Barber's production when he retires. The guy was probably one of the top3 most productive RBs in the NFL the past few seasons and one of the few true studs.New York will see their production dip across the board, because Tiki both ran and caught the ball well. Droughn should be viewed as a sign that the Gmen are going in a different direction. Droughns runs big, just like Jacobs, and where is the finesse and scatback ability that Tiki was known for? It's gone.

I've posted a lot on Jacobs all offseason and readily admitted that they will not be as productive without Tiki. However, in researching it further, on several other occasions teams have lost a top running back and did not lose all that much or may actually have done better the following year (at least collectively).For example, total RB production in IND in 2005 with Edge was 326 fantasy points. Total production without Edge in 2006 was 314.2 fantasy points. Pre-James, the Colts traded Faulk and actually maintained or increased their RB production with James. Denver has had a revolving door at RB and still has managed to put up excellent RB totals from year to year.Certainly I am not suggesting that Jacobs or Droughns individually is anywhere near as talented as Barber. However, as I mentioned earlier if the Giants run a more conserative grind it out style of offense they may make up quality by adding in quantity in terms of RB numbers.

 

[David Yudkin]

I still think people are sleeping on Jacobs. I suspect he will get a 60/40 share of the carries but a 90/10 breakdown of the goal line work.I keep harping on the fact that the Giants have used their RBs a lot in the Coughlin era and I suspect that they will continue to do so. The total # of RB touches has increased from 456 --> 467 --> 487 --> 503 the past few years. Similarly, the total yardage from the RB slot has also gone from 2132 --> 2494 --> 2625 --> 2789.Long story short, either the Giants will continue to get a lot of RB production or we are WAY sleeping on the Giants passing attack. It pretty much has to be one or the other as the Gmen will be moving the ball one way or another. Remember the Giants ranked 3rd in points socred in 05 (they fell to 11th in 06) and they should be a top offense again in 07.If the defense is better (READ AS: Healthier), I suspect that they will have more chance to run even more and take the air out of the ball should they get ahead.This may be worth drafting BOTH Jacobs and Droughns, as one or the other should be in for a decent season. Again I would estimate a 60/40 split of the carries in Jacobs favor at this point but with a lot more scoring opportunities.

Underestimating Tiki a little bit? I think those people who bought high on Kevan Barlow a few years back were doing the same type of "fill in the blank" production quotas. You just don't replace Tiki Barber's production when he retires. The guy was probably one of the top3 most productive RBs in the NFL the past few seasons and one of the few true studs.New York will see their production dip across the board, because Tiki both ran and caught the ball well. Droughn should be viewed as a sign that the Gmen are going in a different direction. Droughns runs big, just like Jacobs, and where is the finesse and scatback ability that Tiki was known for? It's gone.

Teams that have one of the top 5 RB's in the NFL tend to use them a lot. looking at the Tiki Barber era and expecting that era to continue with Jacobs doesn't make too much sense IMO.

I don't ever recall saying individually that Jacobs = Barber. Barber and the other RBs accounted for 360 fantasy points last year. Say they drop off 25% and Jacobs gets 75% of what is leftover. That would still be over 200 fantasy points which in almost every season would be good for a Top 10 RB ranking. Remember, Jacobs only had 96 carries but scored 111 fantasy points. I really don't think it's so far fetched to think that he can do much better than that with a much greater workload.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

I still think people are sleeping on Jacobs. I suspect he will get a 60/40 share of the carries but a 90/10 breakdown of the goal line work.I keep harping on the fact that the Giants have used their RBs a lot in the Coughlin era and I suspect that they will continue to do so. The total # of RB touches has increased from 456 --> 467 --> 487 --> 503 the past few years. Similarly, the total yardage from the RB slot has also gone from 2132 --> 2494 --> 2625 --> 2789.Long story short, either the Giants will continue to get a lot of RB production or we are WAY sleeping on the Giants passing attack. It pretty much has to be one or the other as the Gmen will be moving the ball one way or another. Remember the Giants ranked 3rd in points socred in 05 (they fell to 11th in 06) and they should be a top offense again in 07.If the defense is better (READ AS: Healthier), I suspect that they will have more chance to run even more and take the air out of the ball should they get ahead.This may be worth drafting BOTH Jacobs and Droughns, as one or the other should be in for a decent season. Again I would estimate a 60/40 split of the carries in Jacobs favor at this point but with a lot more scoring opportunities.

Underestimating Tiki a little bit? I think those people who bought high on Kevan Barlow a few years back were doing the same type of "fill in the blank" production quotas. You just don't replace Tiki Barber's production when he retires. The guy was probably one of the top3 most productive RBs in the NFL the past few seasons and one of the few true studs.New York will see their production dip across the board, because Tiki both ran and caught the ball well. Droughn should be viewed as a sign that the Gmen are going in a different direction. Droughns runs big, just like Jacobs, and where is the finesse and scatback ability that Tiki was known for? It's gone.

I've posted a lot on Jacobs all offseason and readily admitted that they will not be as productive without Tiki. However, in researching it further, on several other occasions teams have lost a top running back and did not lose all that much or may actually have done better the following year (at least collectively).For example, total RB production in IND in 2005 with Edge was 326 fantasy points. Total production without Edge in 2006 was 314.2 fantasy points. Pre-James, the Colts traded Faulk and actually maintained or increased their RB production with James. Denver has had a revolving door at RB and still has managed to put up excellent RB totals from year to year.Certainly I am not suggesting that Jacobs or Droughns individually is anywhere near as talented as Barber. However, as I mentioned earlier if the Giants run a more conserative grind it out style of offense they may make up quality by adding in quantity in terms of RB numbers.

These situations deserve some looking into.The Faulk to Edge switch was one of a top notch RB being replaced with another top notch RB, so i don't really see a correlation to the NYGiants of 2007 since i really don't think anyone would argue that Jacobs or Droughns are top notch talents.The indi situation this year is a tough one since defenses have to respect the pass more than the run, so it's pretty easy running for any RB who plays in that system. Also Addai was a 1st round pick and was known as a complete RB who could run/catch/and block well.Denver is another system that has shown they can get solid RB production from mediocre RB's.I guess it comes down to whether NY is a plug and play system at RB or not. No one can really say for sure since Tiki was so durable and reliable for the past 5 years. I'm in the camp that thinks Tiki was so good he would have been productive anywhere and that it wasn't really the system that allowed him to excel, it was his talent and versatility.I just can't see a running game led by Brandon Jacobs being even close to one that was led by one of the top 5 RB's of the past few years. It's gonna be an aerial fest in NY this year IMO.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

I still think people are sleeping on Jacobs. I suspect he will get a 60/40 share of the carries but a 90/10 breakdown of the goal line work.I keep harping on the fact that the Giants have used their RBs a lot in the Coughlin era and I suspect that they will continue to do so. The total # of RB touches has increased from 456 --> 467 --> 487 --> 503 the past few years. Similarly, the total yardage from the RB slot has also gone from 2132 --> 2494 --> 2625 --> 2789.Long story short, either the Giants will continue to get a lot of RB production or we are WAY sleeping on the Giants passing attack. It pretty much has to be one or the other as the Gmen will be moving the ball one way or another. Remember the Giants ranked 3rd in points socred in 05 (they fell to 11th in 06) and they should be a top offense again in 07.If the defense is better (READ AS: Healthier), I suspect that they will have more chance to run even more and take the air out of the ball should they get ahead.This may be worth drafting BOTH Jacobs and Droughns, as one or the other should be in for a decent season. Again I would estimate a 60/40 split of the carries in Jacobs favor at this point but with a lot more scoring opportunities.

Underestimating Tiki a little bit? I think those people who bought high on Kevan Barlow a few years back were doing the same type of "fill in the blank" production quotas. You just don't replace Tiki Barber's production when he retires. The guy was probably one of the top3 most productive RBs in the NFL the past few seasons and one of the few true studs.New York will see their production dip across the board, because Tiki both ran and caught the ball well. Droughn should be viewed as a sign that the Gmen are going in a different direction. Droughns runs big, just like Jacobs, and where is the finesse and scatback ability that Tiki was known for? It's gone.

Teams that have one of the top 5 RB's in the NFL tend to use them a lot. looking at the Tiki Barber era and expecting that era to continue with Jacobs doesn't make too much sense IMO.

I don't ever recall saying individually that Jacobs = Barber. Barber and the other RBs accounted for 360 fantasy points last year. Say they drop off 25% and Jacobs gets 75% of what is leftover. That would still be over 200 fantasy points which in almost every season would be good for a Top 10 RB ranking. Remember, Jacobs only had 96 carries but scored 111 fantasy points. I really don't think it's so far fetched to think that he can do much better than that with a much greater workload.

I can see if he stays healthy for 16 games getting ~200 fantasy points, but i could also see him failing to be a reliable RB and going back to the same role he had in 2006, but with less goal-line attempts due to NY not having a RB who can march it down the field.There is just way too much risk with a battering ram RB who has never had over 11 carries in a game getting picked in the 3rd/4th round.Maybe i'll be proven wrong and he'll be the next Okoye.

 

[TheFanatic]

It's so new, it was obvious that he did not want to create waves with Jacobs, the third-year running back who rushed 96 times for 423 yards (4.4 yard average) and nine touchdowns."It's not my job," Droughns said when asked if he considered the starting halfback job open. "It's Brandon's, because he was the guy who's here. Brandon's next in line. It's his job to lose, but I'm sure he doesn't want to lose it. It's going to be a good competition in training camp."

If this is the only competition Jacobs has, I feel like his value went up this offseason - I think Jacobs could be a solid fantasy RB2 as part of a RBBC, and may get double digit TDs with 1000 total yards. It's hard to project him for much more, but I like him at his likely August/September price.

This is about the best thing that could happen to him. Rhodes would've eaten into JAcobs carries big time. Thomas Jones would have as well. If Jacobs can't make this guy look like, well, Droughns, then he shouldn't be anything more than a FB. Good news for JAcobs owners...

 

[Construction Man Jim]

These situations deserve some looking into.The Faulk to Edge switch was one of a top notch RB being replaced with another top notch RB, so i don't really see a correlation to the NYGiants of 2007 since i really don't think anyone would argue that Jacobs or Droughns are top notch talents.The indi situation this year is a tough one since defenses have to respect the pass more than the run, so it's pretty easy running for any RB who plays in that system. Also Addai was a 1st round pick and was known as a complete RB who could run/catch/and block well.Denver is another system that has shown they can get solid RB production from mediocre RB's.I guess it comes down to whether NY is a plug and play system at RB or not. No one can really say for sure since Tiki was so durable and reliable for the past 5 years. I'm in the camp that thinks Tiki was so good he would have been productive anywhere and that it wasn't really the system that allowed him to excel, it was his talent and versatility.I just can't see a running game led by Brandon Jacobs being even close to one that was led by one of the top 5 RB's of the past few years. It's gonna be an aerial fest in NY this year IMO.

I would argue Jacobs is a top talent. He's most certainly a complete RB who can run/catch and block.The Giants are returning 4 of 5 starters from last years o-line which was a very good run blocking unit. 5 of 5 if you consider David Diehl started the last 2 games at LT. The Giants rushed for over 400 yards in those games (including the wildcard).

 

[Avery]

These situations deserve some looking into.

The Faulk to Edge switch was one of a top notch RB being replaced with another top notch RB, so i don't really see a correlation to the NYGiants of 2007 since i really don't think anyone would argue that Jacobs or Droughns are top notch talents.

The indi situation this year is a tough one since defenses have to respect the pass more than the run, so it's pretty easy running for any RB who plays in that system. Also Addai was a 1st round pick and was known as a complete RB who could run/catch/and block well.

Denver is another system that has shown they can get solid RB production from mediocre RB's.

I guess it comes down to whether NY is a plug and play system at RB or not. No one can really say for sure since Tiki was so durable and reliable for the past 5 years. I'm in the camp that thinks Tiki was so good he would have been productive anywhere and that it wasn't really the system that allowed him to excel, it was his talent and versatility.

I just can't see a running game led by Brandon Jacobs being even close to one that was led by one of the top 5 RB's of the past few years. It's gonna be an aerial fest in NY this year IMO.

I would argue Jacobs is a top talent. He's most certainly a complete RB who can run/catch and block.The Giants are returning 4 of 5 starters from last years o-line which was a very good run blocking unit. 5 of 5 if you consider David Diehl started the last 3.5 games at LT. The Giants rushed for over 400 yards in the last two (including the playoff game).

Not nitpick but when Petitgout got injured in week 9 he was replaced by Bob Whitfield who than started at LT for the Giants until he was benched for Diehl in week 16. I don't blame you for blocking out just how Whitfield was at LT.

 

[H.K.]

I would argue Jacobs is a top talent.

I would argue that a top talent would beat out Arkee Whitlock while at Southern Illinois, or at least earn more carries than him in the same backfield.

 

[Construction Man Jim]

Not nitpick but when Petitgout got injured in week 9 he was replaced by Bob Whitfield who than started at LT for the Giants until he was benched for Diehl in week 16. I don't blame you for blocking out just how Whitfield was at LT.

Diehl played LT from the start of the second half of the Philly game on. He gave up one a bad sack in the first series in that half but was very solid from then on. Whitfield started against New Orleans and then Diehl started the final two games.

 

[Construction Man Jim]

I would argue Jacobs is a top talent.

I would argue that a top talent would beat out Arkee Whitlock while at Southern Illinois, or at least earn more carries than him in the same backfield.

You could argue that but your logic would be extremely flawed. The time share situation at Southern Illinois which he walked into with Whitlock and Terry Jackson, who had just transfered from Minnesota, was more a reflection of Jerry Kill's coaching philosophy than a reflection of Jacobs talent or potential. Kill's comments regarding Jacobs when he was drafted by the Giants support that:“I guarantee you this, and I don’t go out on a limb too often, that’s the best gamble a guy can make, what the Giants did with him. I sure in hell wouldn’t want to be the guy who didn’t take him. His best years are ahead of him. He’s going to get stronger. New York’s getting a hard-working, tough, good person, and actually a freak of nature. There are not too many guys who are 6-4, 265 pounds and run like he does. You just don’t see ‘em. Certainly not at tailback.”Would your argument work in other situations with other players?Is Ronnie Brown not a top talent because he didn't beat out Cadillac at Auburn? Or because he got out rushed by Jacobs in 2003?Is Willie Parker not a top talent because he couldn't beat anyone out at UNC?The fact that Jacobs made the best of some less than ideal situation and circumstances beyond his control in college is a testament to his immense talent.Auburn 2003 ............................GP... Att...Yds....Avg...TD...Long...Avg/GCarnell Williams.....13....241..1307...5.4....17...80......100.5Brandon Jacobs.....13....72....446.....6.2....3....44.......34.3Ronnie Brown........11....95....446.....4.7....5....29.......40.5Southern Illinois 2004............................GP... Att...Yds....Avg...TD...Long...Avg/GBrandon Jacobs......12...150...992...6.6....19....64......82.7Arkee Whitlock.......10...151...959...6.4....12....49......87.2Terry Jackson.........10...90....442...4.9.....2.....27......44.2

 

[Liquid Tension]

I still think the G Men will look for another RB to drop to them in the draft, an Irons/Booker type. What is really mystifying me is why the Giants have'nt attempted anything in the FA market, especially since they need LB's and June and Mitchell along with several others are out there. I know it's rumored that they like some guys, like Wilkerson, but what the heck are they doing? They also need a RG.... and they do nothing. For a new, rookie GM.... is he afraid to pull the trigger? That's the way it looks to me....

Or maybe Reese doesn't want to spend 1st tier money on a 2nd tier player, which has been happening a lot this free agency period.

With Ward I do not think the Giants need to draft another RB. they have too many other needs such as secondary, LB and OL

 

[Liquid Tension]

I would argue Jacobs is a top talent.

I would argue that a top talent would beat out Arkee Whitlock while at Southern Illinois, or at least earn more carries than him in the same backfield.

Not really relevant now because for whatever reason he didn't before, Jacobs is clearly MUCH better than Whitlock now. Guys get better sometimes and Jacobs durability may or may not be great, but he is a pretty good RB who has all the tools. It is possible he will need to be limited to 15-20 carries???

 

[H.K.]

Is Ronnie Brown not a top talent because he didn't beat out Cadillac at Auburn? Or because he got out rushed by Jacobs in 2003?

Brown stuck it out at Auburn and performed well enough to become a top 5 pick. That is why he is a top talent.

Is Willie Parker not a top talent because he couldn't beat anyone out at UNC?

Parker stuck it out at UNC despite a coaching change and has had huge success at the next level.That is why he is a top talent.

The fact that Jacobs made the best of some less than ideal situation and circumstances beyond his control in college is a testament to his immense talent.

I'd say Brown and Parker have proven they are top talents. They are the ones who made the best of some less than ideal situations and circumstances beyond their control in college, which is a testament to their immense talent and their commitment. Jacobs couldn't be a go to guy so he left Auburn (as opposed to sticking it out like the other two you mentioned) and he couldn't even be the clear cut #1 at Southern Illinois, either.

 

[Construction Man Jim]

Is Ronnie Brown not a top talent because he didn't beat out Cadillac at Auburn? Or because he got out rushed by Jacobs in 2003?

Brown stuck it out at Auburn and performed well enough to become a top 5 pick. That is why he is a top talent.

Is Willie Parker not a top talent because he couldn't beat anyone out at UNC?

Parker stuck it out at UNC despite a coaching change and has had huge success at the next level.That is why he is a top talent.

The fact that Jacobs made the best of some less than ideal situation and circumstances beyond his control in college is a testament to his immense talent.

I'd say Brown and Parker have proven they are top talents. They are the ones who made the best of some less than ideal situations and circumstances beyond their control in college, which is a testament to their immense talent and their commitment. Jacobs couldn't be a go to guy so he left Auburn (as opposed to sticking it out like the other two you mentioned) and he couldn't even be the clear cut #1 at Southern Illinois, either.

It's an oversimplification and misrepresentation to say that Jacobs couldn't have been a "go to guy" at Auburn. He never had the chance. Williams and Brown were already the go to guys when he got there. And it wasn't a matter of "sticking it out". Both those guys were coming back and he only had one year of eligibility left.Anyway, the point I was trying to make is that you have to separate talent from situation and opportunity. They are not one and the same.

You can disregard that. That's fine. That's your prerogative.

But Jacobs now is in a situation and has an opportunity to show what he can do. A lot of people are discounting his talent for the same reasons you are. I think that's a mistake. And I think it presents a rare opportunity in fantasy football terms to get a guy with huge upside for tremendous value.

As a Giants fan who has followed Jacobs career very closely from college, through every mini-camp, the last two training camps and every snap he's taken over the past two season I think he's poised to blow up. If he isn't successful it's not going to be because of a lack of talent.

Discount my opinion and question my objectivity all you want. We'll see how this plays out.