Breesisdaman
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Who is the best Giant WR to own this year. Who will be #1 and #2 and who will be a bench player. I drafted Hixon but I am debating if he will really be the guy. What say ye?
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gethugefast1
Footballguy
I'm staying away from Giants WRs this year, but(contradiction)...taking Nicks as a late round flier.
Mookie Blaylock
Footballguy
Probably Bradshaw.
Avery
Footballguy
NY/NJMFDIVER
Footballguy
I'm a giants fan, but not a training camp expert. However, as I see it, Dom Hixon is garbage and he had his chance last year and while Eli did him no favors, they did all they could to make him Plax 2, and he should have had opportunties considering how the box was stacked. He dropped a few gimmies.
Steve Smith is in a make or break year. He's shown flashes and not always been afforded opportunity but that is just what he'll get this season. Seems to have his head in the right place and has a giant heart. Unfortunately, he's no giant himself, and unless he can really start to mimic his namesake in terms of juking and shaking DBs, he'll be too small to make an impact I think.
Which leads to the X factor in Nicks. He was dinged in camp and he's a rookie, so not the start you want to see, but the guy is simply a football player. On top of that, he's got a nose for the end zone. What we need to determine is, will he have the opportunities to show what he can do and can he overcome the learning curve?
In my own bit of contradiction, I did draft him, but I'm having major buyers remorse. He was an 11th round flyer in a 16 teamer for me and Nicks went two rounds later and i'm kicking myself and that was pre draft. Dom, I guess, if you guys use Dominator, is a guy who'll always pop up in your face, and as a theoretical number 1, I guess the book says draft him. But realistically, garbage later in the draft is still garbage. He'll never blow up and blossom like Nicks could.
And thats ignoring Manningham, who has looked the best to me in preseason this year. Always like him at U Mich, and I'm curious to see if he can build on up and down rookie season.
Finally, you dynasty guys shouldn't sleep on Ramses Barden. If the guy can play at all, he'll see action this year, but he's more of a project. But he is a tall drink of water that fits the Plax mold more than any guy on the roster. I think the erratic Eli came to love the room for error that a taller reciever presented and they'll do all they can to recreate that formula.
Steve Smith is in a make or break year. He's shown flashes and not always been afforded opportunity but that is just what he'll get this season. Seems to have his head in the right place and has a giant heart. Unfortunately, he's no giant himself, and unless he can really start to mimic his namesake in terms of juking and shaking DBs, he'll be too small to make an impact I think.
Which leads to the X factor in Nicks. He was dinged in camp and he's a rookie, so not the start you want to see, but the guy is simply a football player. On top of that, he's got a nose for the end zone. What we need to determine is, will he have the opportunities to show what he can do and can he overcome the learning curve?
In my own bit of contradiction, I did draft him, but I'm having major buyers remorse. He was an 11th round flyer in a 16 teamer for me and Nicks went two rounds later and i'm kicking myself and that was pre draft. Dom, I guess, if you guys use Dominator, is a guy who'll always pop up in your face, and as a theoretical number 1, I guess the book says draft him. But realistically, garbage later in the draft is still garbage. He'll never blow up and blossom like Nicks could.
And thats ignoring Manningham, who has looked the best to me in preseason this year. Always like him at U Mich, and I'm curious to see if he can build on up and down rookie season.
Finally, you dynasty guys shouldn't sleep on Ramses Barden. If the guy can play at all, he'll see action this year, but he's more of a project. But he is a tall drink of water that fits the Plax mold more than any guy on the roster. I think the erratic Eli came to love the room for error that a taller reciever presented and they'll do all they can to recreate that formula.
jurb26
Footballguy
DrJamesAndrews Fan
Footballguy
Hixon
Smith
Barden
Smith
Barden
Avery
Footballguy
So if Hixon isn't going to "blow up" then he's "garbage"? Really black and white view there.How about a solid 1000 yards and 6 TD shade of gray for him?
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JamesTheScot
Footballguy
As a Nicks owner in a contract league, I can only hope that is true.Seeing as how Plax disappointed as a fantasy WR and made Toomer a viable fantasy player longer than his ability probably justified, I am loving the prospect of a Plax2 lining up opposite a young and talented Nicks.
Probably not what you meant, but I look for positives anywhere I can find them.
My thoughts?
Redraft:
1-Hixon
2-Smith
3-Wait for the waiver wire
Dynasty (assuming I have my starters already in place):
1-Nicks (edited)
2-Manningham
3-Barden
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Chairshot
Footballguy
I see this as the floor for Hixon. He's a quality WR. He gets beat up for one big drop, way more then he should.The Giants are going to throw for about 3500 yards. Someone has to catch those yards. I see Smith as very good at what he does, so I don't see them moving him away from his role last year.Hixon is the guy I'm targeting this year in re-draft. Nicks is the guy I want in dynasty, as I think he has a good shot at being a legit WR in this league.As a Giants fan, the one thing that has been proven to me over the past couple of years is that Jerry Reese is an excellent evaluator of talent. There is a reason they didn't make a move for Boldin or Edwards in the off-season - and it wasn't because they were pinning their hopes on a rookie WR that they didn't even know they would get. Hixon will be just fine, I think. There really isn't anyone else getting drafted in the 10th round that could easily give you top 15 WR numbers, that's for sure.This guy knows his shiot!
Avery
Footballguy
He has shown to be a bit more polished than expected, but he is still a project none the less.From where he seems to be on the pecking order (partially judging from how much he played and where he played in the all important 3rd preseason game) I'd expect to mostly see him playing specials and in goal line packages this year.
He is the type of guy I'd love to have at the end of my bench in dynasty leagues, however.
JamesTheScot
Footballguy
Doh!If I only had a palm slap smiley!
I think it's the H in Hixon and the phonetic similarities in "icks" and "ix" that are crossing people up. I spelled it correctly in my sig.
FUBAR
Footballguy
people have been messing it up before the draft, must be the legendary Skip Hicks.Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
NY/NJMFDIVER
Footballguy
Fair enough, I guess there's a plateau of acceptbility in every league wherein every player can have value. But in a 10-14 teamer, start 2 or 3 WR league, I don't see him being anything more than bye fodder. I don't see him getting 1000 and six this year, myself, but if I could sign to be wrong and sign for you to be right, I'd do it in a MINUTE. I MAY have been overly harsh, because I didn't realize he was only in his 4th year and 24, I thought he was more like 27 years old and around for six years, but the fact remains, he's already been released in the NFL. He had an opportunity to step up last year, and was in a situation where he needed to step up and he couldn't have showed you anything in that showcase. It might be a harsh window of judgement, but I dont see where the faith comes in this guy apart from his place on the depth chart, which would appear to be dubious at best to me.
I wanted to be on board with this guy, especially after that Seattle game, but the league seems to have figured him out pretty quick. He's probably too undersized to take a 16 game pounding against the NFC and AFC west DB's. I think he'll be exposed and lose the gig by week 6 after that Oakland game.
The Giants NEED at least the threat of a passing game to best feature the run. We already have had a look at what Hixon can do, and he did nothing with it. No 100 games and no TDs from Eli down the stretch and in post season last year. Sept-Oct in NJ is a lot different than Nov-Jan wind wise, Eli's career stats bear that out, but still, if Hixon starts slow after last year's slow close, he'll give way to a guy who'll probably be that much more dynamic.
Avery
Footballguy
Crazy, extraneous circumstances surrounded his release from Denver.I'm not saying he's the next great thing, but last year was his 1st as a starter and given the circumstances, he did pretty well.
I didn't say that was the most recent, I just thought it covered all topics from great attitude to athleticism and hands etc.In time, and I don't know how long, I think he's going to be very very special
the other two seem more special to me than Manningham. Mario seems like he might do well and get a job elsewhere.I'm very confident that a future lineup is Barden opposite Nicks with Smith in the slot
Tau837
Footballguy
I think you are underrating Hixon's performance last season and overstating his problem with drops. Previous post on this:
Yes, his catch percentage needs improvement, no doubt. Though my impression is that he is used often as a deep threat, which can mean a lower catch percentage.Despite his catch percentage, he still converted almost as high a percentage of his targets to first downs as Smith (40% for Hixon, 42% for Smith), and he actually dropped fewer passes (2 in 72 targets for Hixon, 3 in 82 targets for Smith).The drop against Philly was the single most significant drop of the Giants season last year. During the stretch where he was supposed to be the replacement for Burress after week 12, he converted on a Chris Chambers-esk 50% of his targets. And in your sample, he's only up to a 52.8% conversion percentage. Thats just horrible. He had a few good games, but he lack consistency from game to game and even within games. He performed much better as a complimentary player and deep threat in weeks 1-12 converting on 75% of his targets. And having watched all the games the last several years, at no point have I thought he had above average hands.Last year, Burress didn't play in week 5 or any game after week 12. In those 7 games, including their postseason game, Hixon had 53 targets, 28 catches, 433 receiving yards (15.5 ypr), and 2 TDs. Over 16 games, that would scale to 121 targets, 64 catches, 990 yards, and 5 TDs. Not bad for a guy in his first opportunity as a starting WR in the NFL.
In addition to that, 40% of his targets and 67% of his catches resulted in first downs, both figures in the top 20 in the NFC. And you say he was a drops machine, yet he only had 2 drops in 72 targets on the season. Apparently, we have different definitions of "drops machine."
Here are the FBG summaries for those 7 games mentioned above:
Those summaries mention one drop but also make note of his great hands in another game. Doesn't seem like drops are a big problem for him. And consider that had he made that catch against Philly, he would have had another 80+ yard TD. Then his numbers would look that much better.So, yes, he played well.
The easy call for the best performer out of the Giants WRs last year is Steve Smith. Week to week, certain guys had good games, but overall aside from Smith they didnt not play well as a group. There is a reason the Giants once again used a high pick on a WR.
There is a lot of merit in your posts, but IMO you have underrepresented Hixon's play last year. "Drop machine", for example, is obviously off base.
Hixon is done. He simply doesn't have the upside that the others have. He will be part of the offense until the others can get up to speed.
The optimist in me says:
Steve Smith will get the most catches.
Nicks will get the most yards.
Barden will get the most TDs.
Manningham will have some of each.
Steve Smith will move the chains, Nicks will get big gains, and Barden will jump.
The pessimist in me says:
They have no real fantasy value .
The optimist in me says:
Steve Smith will get the most catches.
Nicks will get the most yards.
Barden will get the most TDs.
Manningham will have some of each.
Steve Smith will move the chains, Nicks will get big gains, and Barden will jump.
The pessimist in me says:
They have no real fantasy value .
gregjcross
Footballguy
Its going to be Tease City in NY until Nicks or Barden (more likely Nicks) puts Hixon on the bench for good. Manningham, Hixon, S.Smith, cancel each other out.
