Godell suggest getting rid of Extra Points (1 Viewer)

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http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24415126/roger-goodell-nfl-considering-proposal-to-eliminate-extra-points

The most automatic play in football might be coming to an end. NFL commissioner Roger Goodell said on Monday that the league is considering a proposal to eliminate extra points.

"The extra point is almost automatic," Goodell said, via NFL.com. "I believe we had five missed extra points this year out of 1,200 some odd. So it's a very small fraction of the play, and you want to add excitement with every play."

Goodell's right about the missed extra points. There were only five missed all season and four of those were blocked. But that begs the question, what would the NFL do to replace extra points?

"There's one proposal in particular that I've heard about," Goodell said. "It's automatic that you get seven points when you score a touchdown, but you could potentially go for an eighth point, either by running or passing the ball, so if you fail, you go back to six."

Basically, under this proposal, you'd get seven points for a touchdown unless you decide you want an eighth point. If you go for the eighth point and fail, you'd only get six points for the score.

Someone who's probably on board with this proposal is Patriots coach Bill Belichick, who said earlier this month that extra points were becoming too easy.

"I would be in favor of not seeing it be an over 99 percent conversion rate," Belichick said. "It's virtually automatic. That's just not the way the extra point was put into the game. It was an extra point that you actually had to execute and it was executed by players who were not specialists, they were position players. It was a lot harder for them to do... I don't think that's really a very exciting play because it's so automatic."

Belichick didn't say at the time if he wanted to see the extra point replaced or eliminated altogether.

The top-17 scorers in the NFL this season were all kickers. If extra points had been eliminated in 2013, Chiefs running back Jamaal Charles would have tied Ravens kicker Justin Tucker and Patriots kicker Stephen Gostkowski as the NFL's scoring leader.

Extra points are rarely exciting, but sometimes they are. In a 2003 game, New Orleans was trailing Jacksonville 20-13 with seven seconds left. The Saints scored on an improbable 75-yard, three-lateral pass play to cut the Jaguars lead to 20-19, but kicker John Carney missed the extra point with no time remaining, and Jacksonville escaped with a regulation-time victory.

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[False Start]

I like it, I think moving it to the 1 and giving the coaches a choice and a better shot at two would be much better.

 

[msommer]

Go for it Goodell. Unfortunately this will mean that there will be a lot fewer tv commercial break that will have to be made up for somehow...

 

[buck naked]

I know he has alot of power in the NFL but he hasn't reached "God"ell status yet.

 

[ragnarok628]

i have no problem with this. as stated, the extra point is virtually automatic. If we assume the point will be made, we save time and possible player injury... didn't Gronk re-break his arm on an extra point play?

what would be even more exciting/interesting to me is just eliminating the extra point without any kind of replacement. you either execute a successful 2 pt conversion for a total of 8 points, or you get 6 points. Never 7. that would change the game a LOT though. probably too much for the majority of fans to accept.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

It's part if the game. Every once in awhile it gets blocked or the kicker misses and it makes the game more intersting.

For the love of Christ, you can't just remove parts of the fabric of the game under the guise of making the game safer, all for the sole purpose of extending the regular season by two games.

Get this dude out of there.

 

[ghostguy123]

Go for it Goodell. Unfortunately this will mean that there will be a lot fewer tv commercial break that will have to be made up for somehow...

How so? The commercials come after the XP anyway.

I am not really in favor of the change though. It is so automatic because nobody ever tries to block it.

How bout if the defense blocks it THEY get the point.

 

[KCitons]

Since the problem with the PAT is that it's too easy, shouldn't the solution be to make it more difficult? Not eliminate it?

Move the PAT back to a distance where it's more difficult. Make the punter attempt the kick via a drop kick. Make the PAT attempt from an angle outside the hash mark.

Eliminating it seems like a cop out.

 

[msommer]

Since the problem with the PAT is that it's too easy, shouldn't the solution be to make it more difficult? Not eliminate it?

Move the PAT back to a distance where it's more difficult. Make the punter attempt the kick via a drop kick. Make the PAT attempt from an angle outside the hash mark.

Eliminating it seems like a cop out.

I guess the problem with that is you eliminate the fake ep two point conversion play

Which I have no idea whether is used enough to warrant any consideration

 

[32 Counter Pass]

What is more exciting, having to go for two after every TD? Or kicking an XPT?

I am all in favor of this proposal.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Who?

 

[KellysHeroes]

i think the main issue for NFL is the loss of TV time, I guess your cutting out about 20 to 30 minutes by taking out PATs

 

[ebsteelers]

so you get 7 but if you fail you go back down to 6.

sounds good, im sure a lot of coaches will still play it the same way and only go for the extra point if necessary

 

[ragnarok628]

how far back would you have to move it before you get a decent miss rate? and what IS a decent miss rate? even if you move it back 20 yards i think you would still only see very few misses so i don't know if that really helps. OP says we had 1 miss out of 1200 attempts this year, which is only 8 and 1/3 hundredths of a percent.

drop kicking is an interesting idea (don't they do that in rugby?) but now you're introducing a whole new skill into football, and probably a drop-kick specialist clogging up an active roster spot. and for all that, i think it would only be effective for a few years before the drop-kick becomes just as (almost as?) automatic as the XP as it currently stands.

either way, i don't see eliminating it as being a cop out. if it's boring (and it is) why make the players go through the motions, and make us have to watch it? the XP now is a mere formality 99% of the time. and on the rare occasions that there is a legitimate attempt to block, the block is rarely successful. just getting rid of an outdated part of the game is good sense, not a cop out.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Since the problem with the PAT is that it's too easy, shouldn't the solution be to make it more difficult? Not eliminate it?

Move the PAT back to a distance where it's more difficult. Make the punter attempt the kick via a drop kick. Make the PAT attempt from an angle outside the hash mark.

Eliminating it seems like a cop out.

XP should maybe be kicked from the 15 or 20.

 

[KellysHeroes]

another thing to consider that most players pretty much run the play at half speed until late in the game where they need to stop it, I have rarely seen the kicker have pressure

 

[Ignoramus]

It's part if the game. Every once in awhile it gets blocked or the kicker misses and it makes the game more intersting.

PATs are made at 99.6% of the time. I guess, "every once in a while" can mean 0.4% of the time, but it is essentially automatic. That's not interesting.

 

[Ignoramus]

Have the guy that scores the TD attempt the kick. Now THAT would be interesting.

 

[cstu]

i think the main issue for NFL is the loss of TV time, I guess your cutting out about 20 to 30 minutes by taking out PATs

 

[ShaHBucks]

What's the odds on 2pc? 50/50?

 

[cstu]

It's part if the game. Every once in awhile it gets blocked or the kicker misses and it makes the game more intersting.

For the love of Christ, you can't just remove parts of the fabric of the game under the guise of making the game safer, all for the sole purpose of extending the regular season by two games.

Get this dude out of there.

A bit far don't you think?

 

[KCitons]

Since the problem with the PAT is that it's too easy, shouldn't the solution be to make it more difficult? Not eliminate it?

Move the PAT back to a distance where it's more difficult. Make the punter attempt the kick via a drop kick. Make the PAT attempt from an angle outside the hash mark.

Eliminating it seems like a cop out.

I guess the problem with that is you eliminate the fake ep two point conversion play

Which I have no idea whether is used enough to warrant any consideration

Isn't eliminating the XP doing the same thing?

 

[dgreen]

I have a problem with this idea that every play must be exciting or interesting.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

If it gets rid of the annoying PAT, commercial, kickoff, commercial, sequence, then I'm all for it. Anything to get rid of 20 minutes of commercials wrapped around 30 seconds of play.

 

[Ignoramus]

I have a problem with this idea that every play must be exciting or interesting.

Yeah. I'd much rather watch a boring, uninteresting game.

 

[KCitons]

I have a problem with this idea that every play must be exciting or interesting.

Yeah. I'd much rather watch a boring, uninteresting game.

Oh, you must be a Jaguars fan.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Just to be clear, PAT's are boring to watch, but Mr Goodell, don't take away our kickoffs. Those are still a lot of fun to watch.

 

[ragnarok628]

I have a problem with this idea that every play must be exciting or interesting.

you seem to imply that there is some benefit of certain plays being completely unexciting and uninteresting. I'm interested (if not excited) to hear what that benefit might be?

 

[Pots]

Just to be clear, PAT's are boring to watch, but Mr Goodell, don't take away our kickoffs. Those are still a lot of fun to watch.

He basically has already, hasn't he?

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Why not just give the ball to the offense in the redzone and get it over with?

 

[msommer]

i think the main issue for NFL is the loss of TV time, I guess your cutting out about 20 to 30 minutes by taking out PATs

and it is 20-30m without commercials (considering the correction of my previous statement). This might be the drivers. This is a way to cut down the length of the game without cutting any action, so it's a win for the network if they can fill the slot with something people want to see, between the early games and the afternoon games. Not sure it will have much effect on Sunday and Monday night football - except they can start later or keep the slot and stop earlier which ever fits the networks best

 

[lod01]

i have no problem with this. as stated, the extra point is virtually automatic. If we assume the point will be made, we save time and possible player injury... didn't Gronk re-break his arm on an extra point play?

what would be even more exciting/interesting to me is just eliminating the extra point without any kind of replacement. you either execute a successful 2 pt conversion for a total of 8 points, or you get 6 points. Never 7. that would change the game a LOT though. probably too much for the majority of fans to accept.

Do you realize your 2 sentences contradict the other?

1st sentence: Eliminate the XP cause it could cause injury,

2nd sentence: go for 2...which is even more likely to cause an injury as every team will always go for 2 instead of just settling for 6 points.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I don't care either way. The extra point is almost always so automatic, sure, just get rid of it. But if not, who cares?

 

[Amused to Death]

Just eliminate the kick from the conversion attempt. Run/pass from the 1 or 2 for a 1-pt conversion; line up at the 4 or 5 for a 2-pt conversion.

 

[dgreen]

I have a problem with this idea that every play must be exciting or interesting.

you seem to imply that there is some benefit of certain plays being completely unexciting and uninteresting. I'm interested (if not excited) to hear what that benefit might be?

The less exciting stuff helps to make the exciting stuff more exciting? We can't always be on a high. Life is full of moments (in this case a whopping 30 or so seconds) that aren't all that exciting. I don't think changes need to be made to make everything EXTREME. Seriously, that's XFL mentality.

 

[ShamrockPride]

I have a problem with this idea that every play must be exciting or interesting.

I actually agree with this and have been feeling and thinking much the same. I know the NBA and MLB were discussing the same thing last season about how to further spice up the game. The game is at record viewership as it is. No need to fix what ain't broken.I mean at that rate, let's just throw hail marys all game. That would be exciting wouldn't it? Or let's just do kick returns all game and see who can get the most touchdowns. That would be so exciting...

 

[Leroy Hoard]

This would create less OTs. I think they would like to cut down on overall plays which = less injuries.

 

[belljr]

can we just narrow the goalposts please.

tia

 

[lod01]

Morten Anderson says this is a great idea.

 

[ShamrockPride]

can we just narrow the goalposts please.

tia

Narrow the posts, set up the nets. Go arena football on that s***. I'd be all for that lol.

 

[Breesisdaman]

Goodell needs to keep his hands off the game before it becomes unrecognizable . The one thing that he needs to remove from the the sport is himself.

 

[dgreen]

This would create less OTs. I think they would like to cut down on overall plays which = less injuries.

There were over 33,000 plays this season. I can't imagine a very high percentage of those are from OT. I'm guessing you could completely eliminate OT (calling games ties at the end of regulation) and have almost no change in injury rates.

Besides, OT is exciting! I say we start every game in OT.

 

[Jobber]

Have the guy that scores the TD attempt the kick. Now THAT would be interesting.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

This would create less OTs. I think they would like to cut down on overall plays which = less injuries.

There were over 33,000 plays this season. I can't imagine a very high percentage of those are from OT. I'm guessing you could completely eliminate OT (calling games ties at the end of regulation) and have almost no change in injury rates.

Besides, OT is exciting! I say we start every game in OT.

Still too many FGs in OT, I'd rather decide it in 60 minutes.

 

[Stinger Ray]

i think the main issue for NFL is the loss of TV time, I guess your cutting out about 20 to 30 minutes by taking out PATs

and it is 20-30m without commercials (considering the correction of my previous statement). This might be the drivers. This is a way to cut down the length of the game without cutting any action, so it's a win for the network if they can fill the slot with something people want to see, between the early games and the afternoon games. Not sure it will have much effect on Sunday and Monday night football - except they can start later or keep the slot and stop earlier which ever fits the networks best

Where are you guys coming up with this math? First, the commercials will still take place if they don't have the PAT. Second, if there are 7-8 touchdowns per game that is only around 5 minutes based on using the full play clock.

 

[lod01]

I'm telling ya, midgets kicking extra points is where it's at.

 

[dgreen]

I'm telling ya, midgets kicking extra points is where it's at.

With a WWE star jumping off the ropes to try and block it.

 

[dgreen]

i think the main issue for NFL is the loss of TV time, I guess your cutting out about 20 to 30 minutes by taking out PATs

and it is 20-30m without commercials (considering the correction of my previous statement). This might be the drivers. This is a way to cut down the length of the game without cutting any action, so it's a win for the network if they can fill the slot with something people want to see, between the early games and the afternoon games. Not sure it will have much effect on Sunday and Monday night football - except they can start later or keep the slot and stop earlier which ever fits the networks best

Where are you guys coming up with this math? First, the commercials will still take place if they don't have the PAT. Second, if there are 7-8 touchdowns per game that is only around 5 minutes based on using the full play clock.

In 2013, games averaged about 5 XPA. So, probably about 3 minutes out of a 3 hour TV program.

 

[Warhogs]

I'm more old school so when I first heard this my initial reaction was who the heck thought of this? You can't do that. After thinking about it though I like the idea of eliminating it and having teams attempt to convert for the points after touchdowns.

 

[lod01]

I'm telling ya, midgets kicking extra points is where it's at.

With a WWE star jumping off the ropes to try and block it.

He's on a platform at the cross bar and if the kick is low enough he can attempt to block it like a soccer goalie. If he can catch it and land on the ground standing up in a single 'football move', he can take off towards the other endzone for a score. If his knee touches, the play is dead. Only the midget is allowed to try and stop him from scoring.