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GOP Censures Cheney and Kinzinger - thoughts? (1 Viewer)

massraider said:
If the GOP clarifies they aren't referring to violence, then doesn't clarify who they ARE talking about.............. Has anything been clarified? 
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I was going to post something similar. If "legitimate political discourse" referred only to the rally goers, then how does the clarification make any sense?

 
dkp993 said:
Exactly.  I said it last night, in one of the 37 J6 threads that I guess are all now one big mix tape, that both these parties seem hell bent on  self destruction.  It’s unreal how hard the both seem to be pushing away the middle.  
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Are they though?  I mean what are these radical bills and policies the left is pushing?  Feeding poor folks? Healthcare?  Pot?  Are those fringe ideas?  

 
Sabertooth said:
Are they though?  I mean what are these radical bills and policies the left is pushing?  Feeding poor folks? Healthcare?  Pot?  Are those fringe ideas?  
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Compared to other first-world democratic forms of government, adding universal healthcare and easier access to voting would push the United States left to the Moderate band of the spectrum.  Relative to what’s out there, it’s radical that we only have a health system like Medicare for those 65 and older, not the entirety of the country.  

 
January 7, 2021: Message After Pro-Trump Mob Overruns US Capitol

I would like to begin by addressing the heinous attack on the United States Capitol. Like all Americans, I am outraged by the violence, lawlessness, and mayhem. I immediately deployed the National Guard and federal law enforcement to secure the building and expel the intruders. 

America is, and must always be, a nation of law and order. The demonstrators who infiltrated the Capitol have defiled the seat of American democracy. 

To those who engaged in the acts of violence and destruction, you do not represent our country. 

And to those who broke the law, you will pay. 

We have just been through an intense election, and emotions are high, but now tempers must be cooled, and calm restored. We must get on with the business of America. 

My campaign vigorously pursued every legal avenue to contest the election results. My only goal was to ensure the integrity of the vote. In so doing, I was fighting to defend American democracy. I continue to strongly believe that we must reform our election laws to verify the identity and the eligibility of all voters and to ensure faith and confidence in all future elections.

Now Congress has certified the results. A new administration will be inaugurated on January 20. My focus now turns to ensuring a smooth, orderly, and seamless transition of power. This moment calls for healing and reconciliation. 

Yes, He said all this...

 
Sabertooth said:
Are they though?  I mean what are these radical bills and policies the left is pushing?  Feeding poor folks? Healthcare?  Pot?  Are those fringe ideas?  
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Fortunately they failed.  The $3.5 billion Build Back Better act.  The canceling of student loan effort.  Vacinne mandates for private businesses.  Opening the borders.

 Instead the left is now focused like a laser beam on insuring that all the nurses and teachers who entered the Capitol vuilding are being prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law for supporting Trump. 

 
Coach Beard said:
Compared to other first-world democratic forms of government, adding universal healthcare and easier access to voting would push the United States left to the Moderate band of the spectrum.  Relative to what’s out there, it’s radical that we only have a health system like Medicare for those 65 and older, not the entirety of the country.  
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Agreed.  These aren’t radical ideas.

 
jon_mx said:
Fortunately they failed.  The $3.5 billion Build Back Better act.  The canceling of student loan effort.  Vacinne mandates for private businesses.  Opening the borders.

 Instead the left is now focused like a laser beam on insuring that all the nurses and teachers who entered the Capitol vuilding are being prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law for supporting Trump. 
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How does a one time cancelling of student loan debt move us radically left? 

 
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Sabertooth said:
Agreed.  These aren’t radical ideas.
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The others you listed are of course also in the “aren’t radical ideas” bucket, too.  Social safety nets, decriminalization of some recreational drug use, family leave, public education funding… I think a lot of Americans would be very surprised to learn how many ideas the Republican Party characterizes as “Radical Left” are commonplace and popular in other democracies, with no meaningful pushes from conservatives to get rid of them because they are so popular with voters.

 
Coach Beard said:
The others you listed are of course also in the “aren’t radical ideas” bucket, too.  Social safety nets, decriminalization of some recreational drug use, family leave, public education funding… I think a lot of Americans would be very surprised to learn how many ideas the Republican Party characterizes as “Radical Left” are commonplace and popular in other democracies, with no meaningful pushes from conservatives to get rid of them because they are so popular with voters.
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I agree.  

 
They are the patriots that the people charged with crimes on J6 were tricked (their words) into believing that they were.  Cheney and Kinzinger care more about their country than party and have lost everything despite supporting the party their entire lives.  It would be incredibly sad if it were a hot button issue like pro-life/abolish abortion, but this is so much worse.  

 
2Squirrels1Nut said:
They are the patriots that the people charged with crimes on J6 were tricked (their words) into believing that they were.  Cheney and Kinzinger care more about their country than party and have lost everything despite supporting the party their entire lives.  It would be incredibly sad if it were a hot button issue like pro-life/abolish abortion, but this is so much worse.  
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It’s as if to say “we will not tolerate accountability.”  They’ve gone so far afield.  

 
Sinn Fein said:
Copy of Resolution

WHEREAS, The primary mission of the Republican Party is to elect Republicans who support the
United States Constitution and share our values;

WHEREAS, The Biden Administration and Democrats in Congress have embarked on
systematic effort to replace liberty with socialism; eliminate border security in favor of lawless,
open borders; create record inflation designed to steal the American dream from our children and
grandchildren; neuter our national defense and a peace through strength foreign policy; replace
President Trump's "Operation Warp Speed" with incompetence and illegal mandates; and destroy
America's economy with the Green New Deal;

WHEREAS, Winning back the majority in Congress, including the United States House of
Representatives, in 2022 must be the primary goal of the House Republican Conference
("Conference") and requires all Republicans working together to accomplish the same;

WHEREAS, The Conference must design the strategy to stop the radical Biden agenda and retire
Nancy Pelosi, tasks which require that all Republicans pull in the same direction;

WHEREAS, The Conference must not be sabotaged by Representatives Liz Cheney and Adam
Kinzinger who have demonstrated, with actions and words, that they support Democrat efforts to
destroy President Trump more than they support winning back a Republican majority in 2022;

WHEREAS, Representatives Cheney and Kinzinger have engaged in actions in their positions as
members of the January 6th Select Committee not befitting Republican members of Congress,
which include the Committee's disregard for minority rights, traditional checks and balances, due
process, and adherence to other precedent and rules of the U.S. House and which seem intent on
advancing a political agenda to buoy the Democrat Party's bleak prospects in the upcoming
midterm elections;

WHEREAS, Congressional Republicans bear ultimate responsibility for their own success or
failure and the NC supports their efforts by denouncing those who deliberately jeopardize
victory in November on which the future of our constitutional republic depends at this critical
moment in history;

WHEREAS, Representatives Cheney and Kinzinger purport to be members of the Republican
Party; and

WHEREAS, RepresentativesCheney and Kinzinger are participating in a Democrat-led persecution of ordinary citizens engaged in legitimate political discourse, and they are both utilizing their past professed political affiliation to mask Democrat abuse of prosecutorial power for partisan purposes, therefore, be it

RESOLVED, That the Republican National Committee hereby formally censures Representatives Liz Cheney of Wyoming and Adam Kinzinger of Illinois and shall immediately cease any and all support of them as members of the Republican Party for their behavior which has been destructive to the institution of the U.S. House of Representatives, the Republican Party and our republic, and is inconsistent with the position of the Conference.

Was this the right move for the GOP?  

If you support the GOP - do you support the censure, and withdrawal of GOP support for both representatives?

At the end of the day, this was really about money - and the ability for the GOP to financially support primary challengers who would better support Trump's agenda.  But, what does that say about the party as a whole?  

Is it really Party over Country?  It seems both parties should be a bit more open-minded with their members - I don't like that the Arizona Dem Party censured Sinema - but that is really just a protest move by a state party.  This seems to have a more far-reaching impact.
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Is it really party over country? I would argue that both apply here. The Republican Party has the country’s best interests in mind. So yes, I support the censure and the efforts of the party. 

 
Sabertooth said:
Are they though?  I mean what are these radical bills and policies the left is pushing?  Feeding poor folks? Healthcare?  Pot?  Are those fringe ideas?  
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If you can’t see how the left is slowly bending to the woke extreme and loud minority in their party I’m not sure what to tell you.  I’m mean the mayor of LA is claiming he held his breath during a photo at the Rams game last week in an attempt to justify taking his mask of for a minute.  It nuts man. Just. Nuts.  And it’s no different then the right bending the knee to Trumpism.  It’s got to stop in both directions if any sense of sanity has any hope of returning.  

 
dkp993 said:
If you can’t see how the left is slowly bending to the woke extreme and loud minority in their party I’m not sure what to tell you.  I’m mean the mayor of LA is claiming he held his breath during a photo at the Rams game last week in an attempt to justify taking his mask of for a minute.  It nuts man. Just. Nuts.  And it’s no different then the right bending the knee to Trumpism.  It’s got to stop in both directions if any sense of sanity has any hope of returning.  
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He asked about very specific policies and you didn't address any of them. 

 
dkp993 said:
If you can’t see how the left is slowly bending to the woke extreme and loud minority in their party I’m not sure what to tell you.  I’m mean the mayor of LA is claiming he held his breath during a photo at the Rams game last week in an attempt to justify taking his mask of for a minute.  It nuts man. Just. Nuts.  And it’s no different then the right bending the knee to Trumpism.  It’s got to stop in both directions if any sense of sanity has any hope of returning.  
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who gives a rat’s rearend?  The D party is not controlled by its extreme.  The R party is.

 
IvanKaramazov said:
What?  I agree with you on what private actors are allowed to do.

It is, and I agree.  

I'm baffled as to who you think you're arguing with.  Or why.
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Please read up.  I didn't respond to you in this line of discussion, you responded to me first, seemingly criticizing my argument.  If you agree on all counts, then why criticize in such a sarcastic manner?

You're one of the best posters here, seriously.  But you seem to be overly argumentative for no reason lately.

 
joffer said:
who gives a rat’s rearend?  The D party is not controlled by its extreme.  The R party is.
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Wow.  You actually posted that.  :doh:

Of course they are.  They are the future of your party - the AOC's, the Talibs, Horono's.  You might want to brush up on what a Komrade can do to stay out of the Gulags and in the good graces of the party or you might be photoshopped out of history too.

What's happening with liberals and they're movement further and further left has shades of the Russian people back in the early 20th century.  Pay attention - you're next.

 
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BladeRunner said:
Wow.  You actually posted that.  :doh:

Of course they are.  They are the future of your party - the AOC's, the Talibs, Horono's.  You might want to brush up on what a Komrade can do to stay out of the Gulags and in the good graces of the party or you might be photoshopped out of history too.

What's happening with liberals and they're movement further and further left has shades of the Russian people back in the early 20th century.  Pay attention - you're next.
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He stated it because its true.  Then progressives have a voice…but in no way control the party.

 
BladeRunner said:
They are the future of your party - the AOC's, the Talibs, Horono's. 
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How do you reach that conclusion?  They are younger than the "establishment" Dems, that is true, but there is no sense, that I can tell, that their politics will rule the party in the future, any more than it rules today.

 
joffer said:
who gives a rat’s rearend?  The D party is not controlled by its extreme.  The R party is.
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Because it’s just one of countless examples of how power bends to the extreme minority. Exactly like what’s happening on the right.  

 
dkp993 said:
Because it’s just one of countless examples of how power bends to the extreme minority. Exactly like what’s happening on the right.  
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Maybe you’re correct and 2-3 years from now we’re seeing the “bending” on the D side to the same extreme we’re currently seeing it on the R side. I’m Certainly not seeing it now.  GOP congressmen and senators are afraid to publicly state that the election wasn’t stolen ffs.  

 
joffer said:
Maybe you’re correct and 2-3 years from now we’re seeing the “bending” on the D side to the same extreme we’re currently seeing it on the R side. I’m Certainly not seeing it now.  GOP congressmen and senators are afraid to publicly state that the election wasn’t stolen ffs.  
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One is just more overt and in the media everyday, the other is a slow moving glacier tearing up everything in its path, but just an inch at a time.  The signs are everywhere.  Al Franken is a perfect example.  By all accounts a good person and Senator who got canceled out almost overnight over a stupid joke picture. That was 2017. It’s a slower growing cancer then what’s happening on the right but it’s still cancer, and it’s still growing.  

 
dkp993 said:
Because it’s just one of countless examples of how power bends to the extreme minority. Exactly like what’s happening on the right.  
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I think the minor difference is the Ds are quite to the point where's it's follow x,y,z or your are out of the party.  

I agree that wokeness is too prevalent on that side, but they aren't kicking out anyone who doesn't support those ideas.  (that I've seen yet, I am open to examples that prove me wrong). 

 
KarmaPolice said:
I think the minor difference is the Ds are quite to the point where's it's follow x,y,z or your are out of the party.  

I agree that wokeness is too prevalent on that side, but they aren't kicking out anyone who doesn't support those ideas.  (that I've seen yet, I am open to examples that prove me wrong). 
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They are just exhibiting different symptoms of the same core problem.  Extremism has firm grip on each side.

 
The Democrats are extreme in their policies.  The Republicans are extreme in that they are beholden to an idiot “leader”.  On topic, what the Republicans did here was terrible imo.  Just take the L on January 6th.  Don’t try to justify parts of it.  But I guess their doing this is proof that Trump is still in charge, which is depressing.

 
What happened on January 6, 2021 was an effort to overturn a lawful election resulting in violence and destruction at the Capitol. We must not legitimize those actions which resulted in loss of life and we must learn from that horrible event so history does not repeat itself.

As Americans we must acknowledge those tragic events, and we cannot allow a false narrative to be created. We cannot deny the truth—to suggest it was “legitimate political discourse” is just wrong.

Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R) on Twitter

 
dkp993 said:
They are just exhibiting different symptoms of the same core problem.  Extremism has firm grip on each side.
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In my view, and Ive said this dozens of times in this board, there should be no question both parties are on the same path. The only real difference is they are at different places on that path. The Dems can see what is in store for them if they dont alter their path. There is time to correct this. They aren't completely gone.....yet. Having said that, I think its a bit too early to write that last sentence. 

 
KarmaPolice said:
I think the minor difference is the Ds are quite to the point where's it's follow x,y,z or your are out of the party.  

I agree that wokeness is too prevalent on that side, but they aren't kicking out anyone who doesn't support those ideas.  (that I've seen yet, I am open to examples that prove me wrong). 
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Because they ALL currently support it.  oy vey!  :doh:

 
Amused to Death said:
What happened on January 6, 2021 was an effort to overturn a lawful election resulting in violence and destruction at the Capitol. We must not legitimize those actions which resulted in loss of life and we must learn from that horrible event so history does not repeat itself.

As Americans we must acknowledge those tragic events, and we cannot allow a false narrative to be created. We cannot deny the truth—to suggest it was “legitimate political discourse” is just wrong.

Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R) on Twitter
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Very well said.  

 
T J said:
Is it really party over country? I would argue that both apply here. The Republican Party has the country’s best interests in mind. So yes, I support the censure and the efforts of the party. 
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I appreciate your seemingly honest take.

 I’m curious about what you mean by this though. What policy goals supersede right to free and fair elections and a peaceful transfer of power? I’m not trying to tamp down your thinking through sarcasm, I’m genuinely curious.

If you think the election was stolen I’m fine with not carrying on a farcical exercise of going down that road.  

 
greenmountaingoat said:
I appreciate your seemingly honest take.

 I’m curious about what you mean by this though. What policy goals supersede right to free and fair elections and a peaceful transfer of power? I’m not trying to tamp down your thinking through sarcasm, I’m genuinely curious.

If you think the election was stolen I’m fine with not carrying on a farcical exercise of going down that road.  
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There is more than the elections.  If you think that what is going on with the country is ok because 1/6 happened, then we’ll never agree.

 
FairWarning said:
The poster said the R’s were controlled by them more.  I beg to differ.  Both sides need to take out the trash soon.
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Agree both sides have their share of "thrash", but so far the Dems haven't elected one president yet. And right now, no one controls the Dems more than Sinema and Manchin.

 
Amused to Death said:
Agree both sides have their share of "thrash", but so far the Dems haven't elected one president yet. And right now, no one controls the Dems more than Sinema and Manchin.
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Agree.   It’s a shame that the fringes of the left (AOC and the squad) want to get rid of them, same wit the R’s involving Cheney.  

 
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