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Sweetness_34
Footballguy
The guy is talented. The San Fran OL is pretty strong. With the addition of Darrell Jackson (if healthy, an upgrade over Antonio Bryant) and the return of Vernon Davis (again assuming healthy), Gore will see more running lanes and more TD opportunities.
Yeah he could regress from last year's #s and he has injury history, but you can make worse picks than him. I would much rather have Gore than Addai.....not even close.
Yeah he could regress from last year's #s and he has injury history, but you can make worse picks than him. I would much rather have Gore than Addai.....not even close.
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
Chunky Soup
Footballguy
FavreCo
Footballguy
What is a quiter? If quiter means he will kick ### and take names in 2007, then yes, by all means Gore is a quiter.By the way, when Gore runs over the opposition, this is all the other team hears:
Do you want to bang heads with Frank? ####, that tune rocks.
Chris Black
Footballguy
I think his numbers regress a bit. Enough to drop him out of consideration in the top 5. Plus, I don't think the loss of N. Turner can be underscored. Say what you want about RB's in Denver, but Turner has a tremendous history as a true difference maker for RB's as an OC.
Paranoia
Footballguy
I don't see much of a change in offensive philosophy with Jim Hostler as the new OC. Most of the coaching staff is in tact and the niners draft was heavily defensive with the exception of OL Joe Staley. The addition of DJax and a healthy Davis means that Smith will likely be going down field more often which translates to less catches for Gore, had 61 last year, though his ypc may see a boost. I also think that these down field threats will open some running lanes for Gore and may translate into more scoring ops inside the red zone. A lot depends on Smith's maturity. That said, Turner is a gold mine for RBs, his departure will likely cut into Gore's targets but shouldn't affect his ground numbers too much. Last year, when Gore got his carries the niners won. Also, there is little to no competition threatening Gore, he is a safe pick and should end the year anywhere from 4 to 8 in the RB pool, imo.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
What the hell does Danzig have to do with Frank Gore?What is a quiter? If quiter means he will kick ### and take names in 2007, then yes, by all means Gore is a quiter.
By the way, when Gore runs over the opposition, this is all the other team hears:
Playcalling has as much, if not more, to do with fantasy numbers as the offensive system in general. Playcalling is an art and no matter how similar two people try to be, they are going to do it differently. So, while the system will stay the same, with Norv gone the playcalling will be different. When Norv leaves a team, the RB's numbers go down.
I find myself really debating this Gore vs Addai thing. I don't know about "not even close." Hitching your wagon to The Colts offense and getting anyone of the skill players is very intriguing. It, to me, is one of the toughest decisions I will make early on in my drafts...
Paranoia
Footballguy
Good post, I agree.That said, the play calling will be similar and will be out of the same book. While they will differ, which hurts the value of Gore, the system has now upgraded at three positions. Smith should be emerging and will hopefully be better, adding DJax is certainly an upgrade, and Vernon Davis has Gates/Gonzo type potential. While the play calling will suffer, its relative simplicity to the O Line along with the upgrades at the specialty positions lead me to think the San Fran offense is significantly more capable this year than last with Norv at the helm.
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
I don't think this is nearly as black and white as you're making it out to be.Quote from Gore Spotlight thread.
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
Since we are relating this to rock and roll somehow, what if the opposition is the lead singer to North Side Kings?What is a quiter? If quiter means he will kick ### and take names in 2007, then yes, by all means Gore is a quiter.
By the way, when Gore runs over the opposition, this is all the other team hears:
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
By the way, when Gore runs over the opposition, this is all the other team hears:
NORTH SIDE KINGS ARE UNDEFEATED
chris1969
Footballguy
Was the whole purpose of this post to troll for gay sex?
PahtyTom
Footballguy
Frank Gore had one of the greatest seasons of any running back in history last year, as far as effectiveness per touch. His TD totals would have been higher if he didn't lose the goalline carries due to fumbles. But, he regained that role by the end of the year, and showed great improvement. I'm not sure if his ypc can sustain what he achieved last year, but I see his fantasy points going up due to an increase in TDs.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Both are The Devil.What is a quiter? If quiter means he will kick ### and take names in 2007, then yes, by all means Gore is a quiter.
By the way, when Gore runs over the opposition, this is all the other team hears:
I think I would expect to see a drop in yardage but an uptick in rushing TDs.
Not that Gore is easy to bring down, but early on last year, teams kept trying to strip/punch the ball instead of trying to tackle him. This lead to a lot of broke tackles and long runs. That being said, Gore had a tough time finishing those long runs and was often chased down just short of the goal line. He also took himself out a lot in GL situations (not necessarily following a long run).
2007
No Turner could be a minus in total offense and Gore still might not solved his "finishing" problem, but he was pretty effective in the redzone in the second half and didn't have too many fumbling issues. I think this will help as I believe him pulling himself at the goal-line was more a of confidence issue than a "i'm tired" issue. So I think he'll get back the 2-3 TDs that were leached but 1700 rushing yards will be very hard to repeat.
Not that Gore is easy to bring down, but early on last year, teams kept trying to strip/punch the ball instead of trying to tackle him. This lead to a lot of broke tackles and long runs. That being said, Gore had a tough time finishing those long runs and was often chased down just short of the goal line. He also took himself out a lot in GL situations (not necessarily following a long run).
2007
No Turner could be a minus in total offense and Gore still might not solved his "finishing" problem, but he was pretty effective in the redzone in the second half and didn't have too many fumbling issues. I think this will help as I believe him pulling himself at the goal-line was more a of confidence issue than a "i'm tired" issue. So I think he'll get back the 2-3 TDs that were leached but 1700 rushing yards will be very hard to repeat.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
Those #'s are pretty gray themselves. The only one relevant imo is SDavis. I could be the offensive coordinator and make Emmit and LT look good. Even tom walsh could.
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
I would rather have Addai than Gore. I like Gore but the injury history and departure of Norv Turner make me want to pass on this guy at his current ADP. Plus Gore just got a fat four year contract extention.
Irish
Footballguy
Looks like the Colts are gonna be minus LT Tarik Glenn. Addai has never been a feature back even in college. Gore is not the type of person to be satisfied just because he got a good contract. There are more question marks about Addai than Gore.
The Man with the Plan
Footballguy
If Frank Gore is a 1 season wonder (which I certainly think he isn't) he would easily be the greatest one of all time. WIth that being said players like Gore who rush for 1600 yards and have over 2100 total yards just don't go away.
Remember as much of a beast as Willis McGahee was in college the only reason he started for the U is because Gore got hurt. Before then Gore put him on the bench. Last season was just a taste of what Frank Gore could do when it all starts to come together.
Remember as much of a beast as Willis McGahee was in college the only reason he started for the U is because Gore got hurt. Before then Gore put him on the bench. Last season was just a taste of what Frank Gore could do when it all starts to come together.
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FavreCo
Footballguy
It all ties together. It's no surprise you can't figure that out.
By the way, when Gore runs over the opposition, this is all the other team hears:
twitch
Footballguy
you look at that highlight reel and you see 2 things.....an extremely talented back and ALOT of big holes to run through. the back will stay talented no doubt, but will the holes stay big? thats the question. my guess is that they will. Seattle, StLouis and AZ are not really strong against the run. so he should still light those guys up. Larry Allen has played in the NFL a long time, so he's probably a little more prone to injury than some other guys. And he's dominant, still. So, if anything happens to him, it would no doubt hurt Gore's #s. And they may be starting a rookie at RT, Joe Staley. Not sure about that, but there's bound to be an adjustment there if that happens. Those are the only factors about the Oline, besides Norv not being around anymore, that would weigh in. But with that said, Gore is just a seriously talented runner who has the rare ability to break long ones. Not too many backs around the league are ripping off those kinds of runs with regularity. Its a little bit of a reach taking him at 3 because he's only had one season of real good #s, though I see guys doing it. But if youre taking Gore this year, youre looking ahead to a potential 2000yd season with 15 TDS and not thinking negatively and sweating the injuries. Hopefully, that is a thing of the past.
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B Maverick
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Dont forget Gore had Portis on the bench too until getting hurt. I know he has an injury risk, but with the improved talent (DJack, VD, Smith with another year) drafting OL Staley and the improved D, Gore can improve on last year. Health is the only concern, but what RB doesnt have that concern?
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
Alex Smith is still his quarterback.
-jb-
Footballguy
i guess that means he'll put up 2,180 yards again.
J-Rock
Footballguy
Gore is the real deal. He beat out Portis and McGahee for the starting job at the U and I recall an interview with one of his coaches from a couple years back who clearly stated that Gore was the best back they had at that time. He blew out both ACLs within about a year of each other so I can understand the concern about him being injury prone. However, after he spent 2 consecutive years recovering from ACL surgery he rushed for nearly 1000 yards in 2004. In 2005 as a rookie (started only 1 game) he only had 127 carries. He would have had nearly 1500 yards if he was the the featured back. We all know what he did last year. The guy hasn't been an injury concern for 3 straight years (missed 2 games in 05 with a groin injury). I wouldn't worry too much about it.The niners will be a better team this season which will mean he should have more opportunities to run out the clock in the 4th. He is 5'9" 223lbs (same as LT) so once he proves he can hang onto the ball he will be the goal line back too. He is only 24 years old, the guy is hitting his prime. I think he is a virtual lock to be a top 5 back for the next few years.
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
We can argue the relative talent levels of Emmitt, LT, Davis and Gore (correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that's what you're alluding to here), but that's entirely irrelevant to my belief that the statement "When Norv leaves a team, the RB's numbers go down" is false.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
zing?
By the way, when Gore runs over the opposition, this is all the other team hears:
Rock on, Beavis.Buckeyedawgs
Footballguy
I find myself really debating this Gore vs Addai thing. I don't know about "not even close." Hitching your wagon to The Colts offense and getting anyone of the skill players is very intriguing. It, to me, is one of the toughest decisions I will make early on in my drafts...
DITTO. I was faced with same exact decision! Dynasty. I took ADDIA!
Day after I picked they came out with all that RBBC with Dorsey=Rhodes BS for 2007.
I don't beleive it or want to beleive it at least. Gore is a proven Warrior though that has proved he can carry the load even banged up.
Probably would have took Gore in same decision based on what I know now.
The final decision for me at that time wasn't based on Gores injury record, but based on Addia's competion. Gore has some nice talent pushing for playing time. Addia has nothing proven at the NFL level.
Who did u take by the way?
DITTO. I was faced with same exact decision! Dynasty. I took ADDIA!
Day after I picked they came out with all that RBBC with Dorsey=Rhodes BS for 2007.
I don't beleive it or want to beleive it at least. Gore is a proven Warrior though that has proved he can carry the load even banged up.
Probably would have took Gore in same decision based on what I know now.
The final decision for me at that time wasn't based on Gores injury record, but based on Addia's competion. Gore has some nice talent pushing for playing time. Addia has nothing proven at the NFL level.
Who did u take by the way?
NYGus
Footballguy
Every NFL player is an injury risk! And unless a player is coming back after the season when he sustained a major injury (Like Culpepper last year) then why would anyone pass on a guy like Gore? His ACL injuries were in college in 2002 and 2003 so he is 4 years removed from his last major injury. The ACL issues may affect his longevity in the NFL but I won't even be considering them when I draft him 4th overall this year. A 24 year old, 3rd year RB, with his talent on an up and coming team? Way too good to pass up.
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B Maverick
Footballguy
Way to skip this part: "Health is the only concern, but what RB doesnt have that concern?"Every NFL player is an injury risk! And unless a player is coming back after the season when he sustained a major injury (Like Culpepper last year) then why would anyone pass on a guy like Gore? His ACL injuries were in college in 2002 and 2003 so he is 4 years removed from his last major injury. The ACL issues may affect his longevity in the NFL but I won't even be considering them when I draft him 4th overall this year. A 24 year old, 3rd year RB, with his talent on an up and coming team? Way too good to pass up.
I am a Gore owner. He is a beast. Top 4 is very easy for him this year.crimsonrebel
Footballguy
I fell for Barlow a few years back. I fell for q-tip a few years back. I almost fell for Wali Lundy last year. Give me a reason to fall for Gore this year with my first round pick. No thanks. Ill take a proven veteran in rounds 1-3. Sure I MIGHT score a few less points, but barring injury, ill have a better shot at winning the championship. Lesson learned over the last few seasons: dont gamble on early picks.
NYGus
Footballguy
I'd like to know who your proven veterans are. Maybe you could rank them 1-3?Tomlinson? Johnson? And?
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tomarken
Footballguy
Does not compute.
crimsonrebel
Footballguy
#3 = wide open, trade down, or play russian roulette
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
So who do you take at #4 if LT, LJ, and SJax are gone and you have no option to trade down?
derek19
Footballguy
Gore proved last year he can handle the full load. Barlow never proved that.....
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