Got THAT job within your company (1 Viewer)

[Chadstroma]

I have tons of experience and simply put- I am well overqualified for my current position (long story how I got here). My pay is well above the maximum for my position and the normal next level position would have to max out before I could break even. Though I have experience in the next level position above that- they do not want to skip the normal progression in positions to that level. It leaves a very select number of positions within my company that would make sense in terms of career progression, compensation, being qualified for and something I actually would like to do.

I have a track record of success in pretty much every position and company I have been with complete with awards and recognition for being top 5% in my position. This extends to my current position where I usually rank among the best every month in sales with numerous quarterly and an annual award (complete with an awards trip). I have a good reputation and respect among many people in my current company.

The higher pay for my position is nice and all but it leaves me very little prospects outside my company because regardless of what I have in my past in terms of experience, referrals and accomplishment, I have found that outside companies (recruiters and hiring managers) tend to see the title of my current position and not want to consider me for other positions of which I would desire and actually am qualified for. Moving to another company in the same type of position would be a pay cut so it is not something I can consider.

I identified a position that I would like to do. It is a good mix of something new but something I could leverage my experience, skillset and ability to be successful in. I previously applied for an open position and in fact by all accounts I was very close to getting the job until someone who has experience doing that job applied and got it instead. I know the guy who got it and have worked with him in the past and it completely made sense to hire him over me. I would have done so myself. Another position on the same team has opened up and I am in consideration for it. So, FBG's, what all do I need to do- above and beyond, to get this position? How do I, as a known candidate within the same organization, make myself the one to get the offer over anyone else? What do I do within my control to control this in my favor? Talk to me.

~ Update as of 6/15/16, I was offered and accepted the position.

 

[EYLive]

Can you change your title on your resume so it's not so specific? Prospective employers wouldn't verify a title with your current company, right?

 

[Cold Dead Hands]

I have heard that there is a couch...

 

[Chadstroma]

Can you change your title on your resume so it's not so specific? Prospective employers wouldn't verify a title with your current company, right?

Pretty inbred industry. People know people across the industry and it would be very easy to know.

For the specific job I am trying to get right now- it is within the same company though a different work unit.

 

[Chadstroma]

I have heard that there is a couch...

All for that. Even more so because the hiring manager is kind of cute. Hot in an attractive MILF kind of way.

 

[Johnny Rock]

Though I have experience in the next level position above that- they do not want to skip the normal progression in positions to that level. 

What you said above is key to me. Can you get a meeting with someone who has the power to change this? The rules are different for high performers. 

It's similar to when a boss tells you that the budget for your position is $x so they can't go higher or nobody gets over a 3% raise even though you're outperforming everyone by 20%...Lead into telling them something like, "You set the budget so the budget can be changed, right?"

If they value your work, want you to keep striving, improving yourself and being fulfilled, while helping the company even more, they should consider stepping outside of the normal hierarchy progression and simply do what's best, which may be promoting you two grades. You shouldn't be held back simply because you already work there or (gasp) because they prefer not to lose you (by promoting you) from doing a great job at your current position. This would be stupid and short-sighted on their part. 

This feels like a "What do we need to get this done" type of meeting with a decision-maker. 

 

[Plorfu]

Blindly email someone that has the job you want and ask them.

 

[Arizona Ron]

Make it known to the decision makers that you're interested in the position.  You'd be surprised how many times someone gets 'passed over' for consideration simply because the decision makers didn't think a person was interested.  Also, don't assume everyone knows your resume, speak to your experience and why you're interested in the job when you have that conversation. 

 

[Chadstroma]

What you said above is key to me. Can you get a meeting with someone who has the power to change this? The rules are different for high performers. 

It's similar to when a boss tells you that the budget for your position is $x so they can't go higher or nobody gets over a 3% raise even though you're outperforming everyone by 20%...Lead into telling them something like, "You set the budget so the budget can be changed, right?"

If they value your work, want you to keep striving, improving yourself and being fulfilled, while helping the company even more, they should consider stepping outside of the normal hierarchy progression and simply do what's best, which may be promoting you two grades. You shouldn't be held back simply because you already work there or (gasp) because they prefer not to lose you (by promoting you) from doing a great job at your current position. This would be stupid and short-sighted on their part. 

This feels like a "What do we need to get this done" type of meeting with a decision-maker. 

My goal is not that position. Been there and done that. My earlier inquiry on it was more of stepping stone and that I enjoy it more than what I do now (pay increase too). I really didn't push too hard for it because I really didn't want it. The position I am trying to get is a different one outside of that whole work unit (though is a partner working with my current work unit).

It seems that the hiring manager likes me. I have the support of the management on my side. I also have the support of the guy who got the job I applied for previously. I think I have a very good shot at it but I want to try to think outside the box to make a very strong push for this- because I want it badly.

 

[Chadstroma]

Blindly email someone that has the job you want and ask them.

I work with one of them (the guy that got the job the last time it was open) and he is in my corner.

 

[Chadstroma]

Make it known to the decision makers that you're interested in the position.  You'd be surprised how many times someone gets 'passed over' for consideration simply because the decision makers didn't think a person was interested.  Also, don't assume everyone knows your resume, speak to your experience and why you're interested in the job when you have that conversation. 

I have made it well known. Been actively pursuing it and trying to get people to put in good words for me and had a conversation with the manager for my district Wed about it. He was already reaching out in regards to it and then there was an announcement yesterday that they were expanding the team.

 

[Arizona Ron]

I have made it well known. Been actively pursuing it and trying to get people to put in good words for me and had a conversation with the manager for my district Wed about it. He was already reaching out in regards to it and then there was an announcement yesterday that they were expanding the team.

What feel did you get from that conversation?  Was it, "you'd be a good fit" or "we have to go through our process and see"?

 

[Chadstroma]

What feel did you get from that conversation?  Was it, "you'd be a good fit" or "we have to go through our process and see"?

The district manager of my work unit has indicated he thinks I would be a good fit and has said he gave his recommendation.

I had reached out to an old manager of mine who happens to be personal friends with the hiring manager to give me a good recommendation. Later, after the decision was to go with the other guy who has many years experience doing that work (I have none)- she followed up with her she saw her and the hiring manager said something along the lines that she liked me and has me in mind for future opportunities.

So, there are a lot of good indications. That being said- it was expected I had the job last time. My district manager even indicated to some people in the work unit that I was in the last stages of the hiring process and would be moving along soon so they would have to plan to replace me. Then the guy who got it applied and got the nod instead.

 

[IC FBGCav]

Well, glad to hear you over achieved at "waste manager" and are getting paid for it.   I also agree the Lamar was doing the fries for a long time and deserved the promotion to McNuggets over you.   Tell the manger that you really want to flip those burgers and will stay for free to learn.   I would steal as many "all beef" patties as possible and then go home and practice, practice, practice.   Watch and absorb all you can from Bobby and Danny.   Ask them what time high school lets out and if they will meet you there before your shift too gain the knowledge.   Take what you learn home and again practice, practice, practice.   Will this go get them attitude you will be in prime position for Assistant Manager in 7-10 years.   Good luck!   

 

[Ilov80s]

I have heard that there is a couch...

It's for both giving and getting jobs. 

 

[GroveDiesel]

At some point, there's just not much else you can do. It sounds like you've pretty much done everything you can possibly do within reason. Sometimes you just have to sit back and wait. Frustrating, but that's life.

 

[Chadstroma]

At some point, there's just not much else you can do. It sounds like you've pretty much done everything you can possibly do within reason. Sometimes you just have to sit back and wait. Frustrating, but that's life.

Yea.... just seeing if there was anything I was missing or something creative that I wouldn't come up with.

I want this dang job!

 

[James Daulton]

If you're as good and well respected as you make it appear, I would think you shouldn't have to do anything more to get the gig.  If you're passed over again, it may be time for an honest assessment of your standing in the company.  Regardless, good luck it sound by everything you'd done and described that the gig should be yours.

 

[Plorfu]

I work with one of them (the guy that got the job the last time it was open) and he is in my corner.

I meant more to ask them what kinds of things they do day-to-day, and use that to tailor your resume and interview answers to the job.

 

[Judge Smails]

What's your current title at your present company, and what would be the title you would be shooting for if outside? You mentioned Sales.  Is that your role? Individual contributor? Sales Leader?

 

[Johnny Rock]

Stay confident but not cocky. And don't beg. Begging doesn't befit you. 

Carry yourself as if you are already in that position. 

 

[wilked]

Some real advice

the guy I would want to hire as a leader within my company...wouldn't write that post. 

management will pay well for people of value. If you are not getting the offers you think you should and feel like your options are limited / not there... There is probably a reason for it. What you need is a good peer review or better, management review from someone who will tell you the truth. There is a reason doors aren't opening for you, and it has nothing to do with your current title 

 

[Chadstroma]

I meant more to ask them what kinds of things they do day-to-day, and use that to tailor your resume and interview answers to the job.

I am very familiar with the day to day activities of the job. The job is the same type of job as my current one (sales) just focused on a particular product.

 

[Chadstroma]

What's your current title at your present company, and what would be the title you would be shooting for if outside? You mentioned Sales.  Is that your role? Individual contributor? Sales Leader?

I am an individual sales position and the position I am trying for is another individual sales position but one that is more respected and better compensation. 

 

[cstu]

I have a track record of success in pretty much every position and company I have been with complete with awards and recognition for being top 5% in my position. This extends to my current position where I usually rank among the best every month in sales with numerous quarterly and an annual award (complete with an awards trip). I have a good reputation and respect among many people in my current company.

I wouldn't promote you either.

 

[Chadstroma]

I wouldn't promote you either.

 

[TheAristocrat]

"I have been salesman of the month for 13 out of the last 12 months. You heard me right. I did so well last February that corporate gave me two plaques in lieu of a pay raise."

 

[Chadstroma]

Interview tomorrow.

I have already interviewed with this manager previously and it went well. Putting together a 30/60/90 day plan for the new position to take to the interview.

 

[Ignoramus]

Dress for the job you WANT, not for the job you HAVE.

 

[Hu-Tang Clan]

Dress for the job you WANT, not for the job you HAVE.

What if the job I HAVE is in an office and the job I WANT is working from home?

 

[James Daulton]

And don't dress like you're ordering wings from Pizza Hut.

 

[Nugget]

Best of luck. 

 

[Ignoramus]

What if the job I HAVE is in an office and the job I WANT is working from home?

Did you even ####### read what I posted?

 

[Hu-Tang Clan]

Did you even ####### read what I posted?

Yeah I did, thanks.  I currently work downtown in an office and wear dress pants and a dress shirt to work.  The job I want is with a different company that allows me to work from home.  Should I interview for that job in my boxers?

 

[Cold Dead Hands]

Interview tomorrow.

I have already interviewed with this manager previously and it went well. Putting together a 30/60/90 day plan for the new position to take to the interview.

Well?

 

[TheAristocrat]

Yeah I did, thanks.  I currently work downtown in an office and wear dress pants and a dress shirt to work.  The job I want is with a different company that allows me to work from home.  Should I interview for that job in my boxers?

Nah.  I work from home regularly and its rare that I even have a shirt on when I'm reading the email traffic from overnight.

Also, helicoptering shows courage and initiative.  A semi chubby wouldn't hurt either.

 

[TakiToki]

Nah.  I work from home regularly and its rare that I even have a shirt on when I'm reading the email traffic from overnight.

Also, helicoptering shows courage and initiative.  A semi chubby wouldn't hurt either.

Just a bit of the chub. You need to maintain some flexibility so you can really put some snap into it, similar to cracking a whip.

 

[Chadstroma]

Well?

I feel it went well. I got the feeling that she was already leaning towards me to fill one of the positions. It's not exactly the same position I thought it was but close enough. She's going to want to make a decision quickly so I should know by the end of next week. Hoping for good news to report.

 

[TheAristocrat]

Good luck!

 

[Chadstroma]

Missed the call but a voicemail left by the hiring manager let me know she was reaching out to me to set up the next step in the hiring process. Last time that was a phone interview with a peer of his from a different region. So, that is good.

 

[Chadstroma]

I missed a call and the recruiter left a voicemail for me. Essentially the hiring manager thought she had two positions to fill but somehow she only has one. Apparently I was #2 on the list so she wanted to extend an offer but can not at this time. They want to know if I would be willing to be considered for a future opportunity. The problem is that there are not a lot of these positions and they don't have a lot of turnover on them. So, unless they get approval for that second position there this is pretty close to being meaningless. This is the second time I went through the process and was in the final stages but lost out to someone who has been doing the role for many years while I would be new in it.

I am not sure if this is better than an outright decline as now I am limbo. I could leave the company but then would lose my years of service if they called me later for that position that I want. I am really frustrated right now.

 

[Abraham]

Your business is Chadstroma Inc. Do what you need to do to build your business, even if that means leaving. 

 

[spOOfy]

Make it known to the decision makers that you're interested in the position.  You'd be surprised how many times someone gets 'passed over' for consideration simply because the decision makers didn't think a person was interested.  Also, don't assume everyone knows your resume, speak to your experience and why you're interested in the job when you have that conversation. 

Good advice right here.  I did the same and they offered me the position.  Of course, I ended up turning it down, but that's another story.

 

[Jayded]

Don't burn any bridges but do what you need to do for yourself. You'd be surprised how little someone faults you for aiming to find better for yourself, including your current employer. They're either happy you move on (because they didn't value you) or happy for you (and did, but too little too late) and either way you end up winning because you hopefully find something you enjoy more.

 

[TheAristocrat]

Sorry, dude.  That sucks.  Listen to the above though.  Don't burn a bridge if you don't have to but certainly do the best for you.

If you do burn it, burn it to the effing ground.  And post an update in here.

 

[Chadstroma]

Just had an odd conversation with my bosses boss whom I ended up speaking with and he asked me about whether I had heard anything. I informed him of what happened and then he stated "Well, that is contrary to the information I had. Let me make a phone call tomorrow and get back to you."

I am not sure what that means. My guess is that he was told I was being hired for the position but then they realized they only had one position to hire for and no one updated him.

 

[Chadstroma]

My bosses boss spoke with the hiring manager and after some phone tag, I spoke with the hiring manager as well. Basically both the recruiter and my bosses boss made it clear that the hiring manager "really liked me" and wanted to give me an offer but there are "changes" going on and right now there is no position to offer. However, when I spoke with the hiring manager she mentioned that "hopefully in the near future" things will be in place to extend and offer. At another part of the discussion there was something mentioned about a couple of weeks.

So, it seems like it is a matter of time. But I am still hanging here as in how much time- there is obviously no commitment to me. I am in an odd situation that most likely any other position I take elsewhere will not be anywhere near this type of position. So, I feel like I need to wait it out and see.

 

[TheAristocrat]

Hoping for the best but it reads to me like they are stringing you along before someone finally gives you the bad news.

Hope I'm wrong.

 

[Chadstroma]

Hoping for the best but it reads to me like they are stringing you along before someone finally gives you the bad news.

Hope I'm wrong.

I got ya and I can see where that could be a reasonable guess on the situation.

I don't think it is. These are different business lines so the hiring manager has no interest or care in whether I stay in my job or not. The one's that do (my boss's boss mainly) has been supportive and helping me because they know that I am comically over qualified for what I am doing- and generally they like me as a person too.

From things I have heard from people that have worked with her on deals and my own interactions, my take on the hiring manager is that she can be a little skater brained. Plus, my company has a history of being knee jerky with positions- so whether it was a misunderstanding or a change(ing) policy direction, either is believable to me.

Everything that I am hearing is obviously non-committal (which makes sense and I appreciate not over committing on something you aren't sure you can deliver on) but from the recruiter, hiring manager and my bosses boss, I am reading between the lines but it seems like they are working on getting approval for that position and are hopeful to get it done in the next couple of weeks. It further makes sense because there is an entire region that is not being covered right now (which is what I would have been hired for). I am not sure how they plan on covering that region if they do not open a new position.

But yes, I hope you are wrong too.

 

[Chadstroma]

Quick update.

As I was having a text conversation about another job opportunity with my wife (her boss basically was wanting specifics on my income to bring me over to their company).... I get a call from the hiring manager of this position. She said that she is expecting to have a better idea about the position after the 13th and wanted to touch base with me, find out if I was still interested and give me what info she has now about the position. She stopped short of saying that she would offer me the position but the communication I have had from others previously was basically when she had the position open she would extend me the offer. I asked to clarify to make sure I understood the situation correctly that she was trying to get the requisition approved and was hoping to have that approval by Monday which she confirmed was the case.

I am trying not to get too excited but at the same time- if that goes all to hell again it looks like I have a solid plan B now. Which is nice because before in my very unusual situation, I felt a bit trapped. Having my wife's boss (whom I had worked for also in the past many years back) know me and know my experience and success and thus willing to work with me helps a lot.

So, that is good.