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Great Depth, always play wrong guy (1 Viewer)

theplayer11

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Anyone else have this happen consistently? Sometimes, I wish I didn't have any choices and had to play the same guys. I follow FF closely, try to acquire great depth throughout the year, but always seem to play the wrong guy and lose. This week, I started Lynch over Blount. Now I have to kick myself all week and the sting lasts much longer.

 
Anyone else have this happen consistently? Sometimes, I wish I didn't have any choices and had to play the same guys. I follow FF closely, try to acquire great depth throughout the year, but always seem to play the wrong guy and lose. This week, I started Lynch over Blount. Now I have to kick myself all week and the sting lasts much longer.
what I do is deal that depth for clear cut starters. Package up some of those fringe RBs to teams that are hurting and get back a more solid weekly starter.
 
I have been having the same problem all season with one team. I built up great depth all through the offseason and thought my team was primed for a big year, but no matter what I do, it happens every week. Too much depth can hurt I guess? really dont know.

 
Anyone else have this happen consistently? Sometimes, I wish I didn't have any choices and had to play the same guys. I follow FF closely, try to acquire great depth throughout the year, but always seem to play the wrong guy and lose. This week, I started Lynch over Blount. Now I have to kick myself all week and the sting lasts much longer.
what I do is deal that depth for clear cut starters. Package up some of those fringe RBs to teams that are hurting and get back a more solid weekly starter.
Bingo...This is exactly what I try to do.For countless years I spent all season building the greatest team imaginable. There is nothing like looking at your team and thinking "damn! I am rock solid at every position, but not quite perfect" Although I have learned that having depth is important, it is also equally(or more in my eyes) important to have the best starting team you can. In the end, the ones you have starting are the ones that give you points. If your league doesn't like to trade, then you have to play the shuffle. You are not alone....
 
I like to have a team with good depth, but have also had alot of trouble. It's tough, b/c the match-ups seem less predictable than normal. I think it's harder to trade for sure-fire starters, b/c other teams are less likely to deal them.

 
Fantasy football has enough uncontrollable randomness to it without adding in unnecessary factors like choosing a handful of starters off a roster each week. I'm liking the idea of a best-ball system better all the time.

 
I tried that. Ended up dealing Forte, Torain and Garcon for Randy Moss.

I'd say keep the guys and eventually someone will rise to the top.

Unless someone really wants to part with CJ or AP, it's what you have to live with.

 
Anyone else have this happen consistently? Sometimes, I wish I didn't have any choices and had to play the same guys. I follow FF closely, try to acquire great depth throughout the year, but always seem to play the wrong guy and lose. This week, I started Lynch over Blount. Now I have to kick myself all week and the sting lasts much longer.
Did the same yesterday. Might cost me but I should still win. You might look to try a best ball league. I don't like the idea but it sounds like you might enjoy it. No decisions to make on who to start.

 
I had to decide between J. Stewart/Welker/Tampa Mike/Dez Bryant fpr a RB/WR/TE spot and a WR/TE spot. Of course I went w/ Welker since the guy I went against had Brady and this is a PPR league. I also chose Stewart over M. Williams in my RB/WR/TE spot since he got the clear start. I couldn't have picked worse. Happens to me a lot.

 
I had to decide between J. Stewart/Welker/Tampa Mike/Dez Bryant fpr a RB/WR/TE spot and a WR/TE spot. Of course I went w/ Welker....
Welker is bench material right now. His targets are way down and there's competition for all the underneath stuff with Moss gone. He's also not scored in 6 weeks. Starting Welker over a viable player like Tampa Mike (at Arizona) or Dez (vs. Jax) is just a bad read, not bad luck. :lmao:
 
I think this is a common issue with us subscribers that also frequent this forum. We get more information about WR2/3 and RB 2/3 potentials but we're not willing to bench our first 5 draft picks barring injury. So it's a weekly shot to the gut when all the undervalued players we pick up outscore our Welker/Moss types. Sure we can trade 2 or 3 of these guys for an underperforming WR1 or RB1 from time to time, but often that is a recipe for failure too when the underperforming player continues to underperform. Not sure what the solution is but to form our own support group for this conundrum or play in best ball leagues (which take some of the fun out of all the bad GMing)

I'm probably always going to make this mistake, esp next week with Randy Moss playing the Cards next week at home over the 2 Mike Willams's

 
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I opperated at 100% peak efficiency this week and am proud of actually starting MSW on his blow up week. Of course due to inury and bye week issues with an 18 player roster starting 8 of them ( had exactly ONE decision to make this week :lmao: :lmao: (that being Orton or Vince Young which was a no brainer). Sometimes the FF gods just have a way of working things out for you.

 
I think this is a common issue with us subscribers that also frequent this forum. We get more information about WR2/3 and RB 2/3 potentials but we're not willing to bench our first 5 draft picks barring injury. So it's a weekly shot to the gut when all the undervalued players we pick up outscore our Welker/Moss types. Sure we can trade 2 or 3 of these guys for an underperforming WR1 or RB1 from time to time, but often that is a recipe for failure too when the underperforming player continues to underperform. Not sure what the solution is but to form our own support group for this conundrum or play in best ball leagues (which take some of the fun out of all the bad GMing)I'm probably always going to make this mistake, esp next week with Randy Moss playing the Cards next week at home over the 2 Mike Willams's
Yea but the OP was talking about Lynch vs Blount. These are 2 Waiver wire pickups at the begining of the season. Lynch was the consensus "Big Play" this week while Blount was a sleeper. I was tempted to play Blount but I thought the safer bet was lynch. To get 0 points from lynch vs 29 from Blount on my bench is aggravating.
 
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I had to decide between J. Stewart/Welker/Tampa Mike/Dez Bryant fpr a RB/WR/TE spot and a WR/TE spot. Of course I went w/ Welker....
Welker is bench material right now. His targets are way down and there's competition for all the underneath stuff with Moss gone. He's also not scored in 6 weeks. Starting Welker over a viable player like Tampa Mike (at Arizona) or Dez (vs. Jax) is just a bad read, not bad luck. :lmao:
Yeah, I thought so as well. Unfortunately, Lineup Dominator/CBS/everybody else would disagree with you and I. I went with them instead of my own thoughts. I would have been kicking myself if I benched Welker and his QB Brady threw 2 TD's to him or something. He will not be starting anymore.
 
I feel your pain:

Started Fitzgerald over Britt last week - lost.

Started Britt over Fitzgerald this week - lost.

Turn it around and I win both weeks.

:goodposting:

 
I feel your pain:Started Fitzgerald over Britt last week - lost.Started Britt over Fitzgerald this week - lost.Turn it around and I win both weeks. :lmao:
Ha! I did the same but with Mike X and Brandon Tate. Started Tate last week (in a KR league) lost by what Williams would have got for me. Started Mike X this week over Tate, going to lose tonight and Tate might have saved me.
 
One rapid draft team of mine......

Pos Starters Total

QB Donovan McNabb, WAS

1 PaTD (6),210 PaYds,45 RuYds 18.0

RB Thomas Jones, KC

78 RuYds,5 ReYds,1 Rec 9.0

RB Marshawn Lynch, SEA

7 RuYds 0.5

WR Wes Welker, NE

25 ReYds,3 Rec 5.5

WR Jabar Gaffney, DEN

54 ReYds,4 Rec 9.0

WR Percy Harvin, MIN

105 ReYds,1 Re2Pt,6 Rec 18.5

TE Visanthe Shiancoe, MIN

38 ReYds,4 Rec 7.5

PK Nick Folk, NYJ

No Stats 0.0

DF SEA Team Defense, SEA

33 PA,2 Sck 2.0

Flex Arian Foster, HOU

0.0

Total: 74.00

Pos Bench Total

RB Ryan Mathews, SD

1 RuTD (7),42 RuYds,11 ReYds,3 Rec 14.0

RB LeGarrette Blount, TB

2 RuTD (15,1),119 RuYds,9 ReYds,2 Rec 26.0

RB Danny Woodhead, NE

1 RuTD (3),14 RuYds,45 ReYds,5 Rec 16.5

WR Danny Amendola, STL

1 ReTD (2),28 ReYds,6 Rec 14.5

RB BenJarvus Green-Ellis, NE

2 RuTD (13,2),112 RuYds,10 ReYds,1 Rec 25.0

DF NYJ Team Defense, NYJ

9 PA,3 Sck 7.0

TE Todd Heap, BAL

0.0

PK David Akers, PHI

0.0

WR Robert Meachem, NO

75 ReYds,6 Rec 13.5

WR Steve Breaston, ARI

14 RuYds,147 ReYds,8 Rec 23.5



Total: 140

 
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This happens to everyone most weeks. A still prefer depth and don't mind a guy blowing up on my bench bc he is tradeable and I didn't face him at least. Then on weeks like this with heavy byes you are still strong.

 
I'm not sure what leagues you're in but trading guys like Ben Jarvus, Ryan Fitzpatrick and even Brandon Lloyd for Chris Johnson or Adrian Peterson doesn't happen so making a blanket statement like consolidate for studs doesn't work.

Sure you can get guys like Beanie Wells, Larry Fitzgerald, Eli Manning or Jonathan Stewart or maybe even a Matt Forte, but is that really what "Consolidate for Studs" means?

 
This happens to everyone most weeks. A still prefer depth and don't mind a guy blowing up on my bench bc he is tradeable and I didn't face him at least. Then on weeks like this with heavy byes you are still strong.
:thumbup: Looking at it logically, if you start 1 QB and bench 2, start 2 RB's and bench 4, start 3 WR's and bench 3 a well rounded team stands a better than average chance of leaving pts on the bench every week. All I'd say is look at the big picture. Bench pts are a GOOD thing! It means you have more tradeable commodities on your squad. Where I think most people mess up is by chasing last week's points, rather than trying to answer the equation of talent + strength of opponent + opportunity for this week.
 
I'm not sure what leagues you're in but trading guys like Ben Jarvus, Ryan Fitzpatrick and even Brandon Lloyd for Chris Johnson or Adrian Peterson doesn't happen so making a blanket statement like consolidate for studs doesn't work.Sure you can get guys like Beanie Wells, Larry Fitzgerald, Eli Manning or Jonathan Stewart or maybe even a Matt Forte, but is that really what "Consolidate for Studs" means?
:lol: The problem with this strategy is you have to find a team that is in so much trouble that your 2 or 3 for 1 trade makes sense to them. The problem is that if you have a set it and forget it stud do you really want to take over the lineup decissions that the other team is trying to avoid?You at minimum have to give up 2 every week starters (no decision type of guys but not studs) or maybe 3....At some point that trade starts to not make sense for your team as well. Many teams will not give up a stud unless it is for another stud too. I tried getting Roddy White for what I consider a pretty decent 3 player for 1 deal but I got shot down (as I expected to).
 
I have always found, that in the end, I do better in leagues where I have a couple of holes coming out of the gate (maybe a bad pick or an injury or two), than when I have a really nice team going into it...the consensus ("wow, a couple of us have been talking and you look strong") is always the kiss of death for me. What happens is that I (and I am sure most others), wtach as people scramble for the Lloyds and Hillis' of the world and sit back and laugh. I am going to cut Marion Barber or Brandon Jacobs for Hillis!?!?! HAH!!! Then the inevitable happens...

This year, in my three leagues, I had room for one RB and snagged Hillis (due to various reasons). The result was strong, but I slept on WR and missed Lloyd in all three (even in one leage twice after he was dropped) and now consistently and dealing with the ups and downs of the Ochos and Hesters of the world.

Depth can drive you mad and I agree with most when it makes sense to pillage your bench and package them for better starters. Unfortunately, it is often hard to find trading partners willing to do this. I was luck in one league where I looked at a guy's lineup on a Wednesday and saw he was starting Derrick Ward or someone of that genre due to a bye.. When I looked closer at his roster, I saw he had not much more, so I moved Randy Moss and Jacobs for Roddy White. Truth is, I also had Barber on my bench and at first thought of throing him in too, but thought that may look a little fishy (that is the problem with packaging bench guys), but would have obviously done it too.

 
The only way to maintain your sanity in that situation is to identify your starters early in the season and stick with them. Refuse to play matchups. Ignore the week-to-week advice of the "experts." And just be happy you have some great bye week fill-ins.

 
In "Confessions of a Winning Poker Player," Jack King said, "Few players recall big pots they have won, strange as it seems, but every player can remember with remarkable accuracy the outstanding tough beats of his career". -Mike McD, Rounders

Point is, everybody has tough lineup decisions to make based on all the information they can find. You get some right and you get some wrong - sometimes the right or wrong decision makes no difference in whether you would have won or lost, and sometimes it leads directly to your outcome. People only dwell on the ones that cost them, but it

 
I'm not sure what leagues you're in but trading guys like Ben Jarvus, Ryan Fitzpatrick and even Brandon Lloyd for Chris Johnson or Adrian Peterson doesn't happen so making a blanket statement like consolidate for studs doesn't work.Sure you can get guys like Beanie Wells, Larry Fitzgerald, Eli Manning or Jonathan Stewart or maybe even a Matt Forte, but is that really what "Consolidate for Studs" means?
Agreed.In my keeper league, the top-10 QBs were all kept (by 4 teams!) this year. I got stuck with Favre as my starter, so I went to those 4 teams and tried to make a trade. No one was willing to make a trade. At one point, I offered R Moss and MJD for Joe Flacco and Cadillac Williams. The other owner has Peyton Manning as his QB1, but his best WRs were Fitzgerald and Mike Wallace. Plus his RBs were Matthews, Cadillac, and Benson. He turned me down, saying that he Flacco was worth more than that.The ideas espoused on this (and other FF boards) of trading depth for studs seem to be unlikely, especially in the leagues I play in. Guys seem to value the players that they drafted more than players on other teams. The usual trades are for lesser players, to cover byes, injuries, etc.I currently have 4 top-24 RBs (plus Blount, who looks like he may have earned more carries), but I can't give one away for another team's back-up QB.
 
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I'm not sure what leagues you're in but trading guys like Ben Jarvus, Ryan Fitzpatrick and even Brandon Lloyd for Chris Johnson or Adrian Peterson doesn't happen so making a blanket statement like consolidate for studs doesn't work.Sure you can get guys like Beanie Wells, Larry Fitzgerald, Eli Manning or Jonathan Stewart or maybe even a Matt Forte, but is that really what "Consolidate for Studs" means?
ya you'll definitely be overpaying, and it can't be margin players. if we are talking about good depth it means you have consistent performers on your bench that makes it tough to set your line up. Im talking if you have a TO or Moreno like player on your bench you can package them for a Andre Johnson and then pick up say a Danny Woodhead off waivers and still come out on top. You'll def be paying for a stud tho. Of course this is trading with a bottom team looking for help.
 
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In "Confessions of a Winning Poker Player," Jack King said, "Few players recall big pots they have won, strange as it seems, but every player can remember with remarkable accuracy the outstanding tough beats of his career". -Mike McD, Rounders

Point is, everybody has tough lineup decisions to make based on all the information they can find. You get some right and you get some wrong - sometimes the right or wrong decision makes no difference in whether you would have won or lost, and sometimes it leads directly to your outcome. People only dwell on the ones that cost them, but it all evens out over time.
However, all is not equal in our fantasy football scenario. For the top fantasy players, the penalty for being wrong and suggesting a benching is much worse than the benefit. If you make projections for a living and honestly believe AP will have a bad game, you are still not going to recommend benching him. If he has a huge c2007 game, your reputation is toast. So you lower his projections just a little and blend in with the crowd. When the penalty for being wrong is so much greater than the benefit of being right, nobody is really willing to go out on a limb.
 
week 1:

started - crabtree (2.2), AJ (4.8), Floyd (6.3)

benched - Naanee (19.5), Nicks (27.5)

week 2:

started - crabtree (3.7), Naanee (1.9), Nicks (10.8)

benched - Floyd (17), MSW (19.5), Murphy (18.1)

week 3:

started - Nicks (9.1), AJ (8.4), Floyd (6.3)

benched - LMoore (29.9), Murphy (14.4), Britt (9.6)

week 4:

started - Floyd (5.5), Murphy (1.0), MSW (0.0)

benched - LMoore (10.2), Tate (11.9), Britt (9.8), Crabtree (8.3)

week 5:

started - crabtree (2.2), LMoore (1.3), Naanee (0.0)

benched - Britt (16.6), Crabtree (21), Floyd (31.3)

week 6:

started - Britt (10.3), Nicks (2.3), Floyd (2.5)

benched - Crabtree (13.7), LMoore (12.7), Murphy (5.5)

week 7:

started - LMoore (6.8), Crabtree (5.1), Floyd (6.3)

benched - MSW (11.3), Britt (44)

week 8:

started - crabtree (12.8), Britt (0.0), Floyd (6.3)

benched - Tate (17.6), MSW (25.3)

I dont remember ever being so bad at playing matchups every single week, as my efficiency is usually in the 90%s but this season its in the low 70s.

 

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