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Greatest female pop artist of all time (1 Viewer)
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bagger
Footballguy
100%
rockaction
Footballguy
Paranoia paranoia
timschochet
Footballguy
My vote is for Taylor but I’m
A little surprised there’s not been one mention of Adele in this thread. I think she deserves some consideration.
A little surprised there’s not been one mention of Adele in this thread. I think she deserves some consideration.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
It was pop music at that time.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
David Gilmour, on more than one occasion, has referred to Pink Floyd as "the pop group I used to be in" or something to that degree. It sounds wild to think of Pink Floyd as a pop band, but pop is short for popular, so any band or artist that is popular can theoretically be called pop, although I think most now associate a certain sound as being pop (short catchy songs where vocals are the main focus, for example).
Charlie Steiner
Footballguy
I had to cast my vote for Whitney Houston, AKA The Voice.
She can be gigged for not writing her own material, but as a singer, her voice remains unparalleled. I posted this link in the M-AD thread where I featured her, and I post it here again as Exhibit A of her vocal prowess. She could and did do it all. She even made a top 20 pop hit out of The Star Spangled Banner.
Her first 9 singles released all hit #1.
With just 7 studio albums and 3 movie soundtracks, these are the awards she earned:
22 American Music Awards
16 Billboard Music Awards
15 Billboard Year-End Awards
2 BRIT Awards
55 Cash Box Year-End Awards
2 Dove Awards
2 Primetime Emmy Awards
8 Grammy Awards
2 Grammy Hall of Fame entries
19 NAACP Image Awards
6 People's Choice Awards
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Member
9 Soul Train Music Awards
14 World Music Awards
31 Guinness World Records
Gone too soon, and pound-for-pound the greatest female singer ever.
She can be gigged for not writing her own material, but as a singer, her voice remains unparalleled. I posted this link in the M-AD thread where I featured her, and I post it here again as Exhibit A of her vocal prowess. She could and did do it all. She even made a top 20 pop hit out of The Star Spangled Banner.
Her first 9 singles released all hit #1.
With just 7 studio albums and 3 movie soundtracks, these are the awards she earned:
22 American Music Awards
16 Billboard Music Awards
15 Billboard Year-End Awards
2 BRIT Awards
55 Cash Box Year-End Awards
2 Dove Awards
2 Primetime Emmy Awards
8 Grammy Awards
2 Grammy Hall of Fame entries
19 NAACP Image Awards
6 People's Choice Awards
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Member
9 Soul Train Music Awards
14 World Music Awards
31 Guinness World Records
Gone too soon, and pound-for-pound the greatest female singer ever.
Chaz McNulty
Footballguy
I would put Whitney and Adele in the class of greatest female singers.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
That country album that wasn’t a country album was awesome
General Malaise
Footballguy
I really liked it as well.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
I wasn’t being serious
rockaction
Footballguy
I wasn’t being serious
I think GM miiiiiight have caught that, my man. But you also might know that.
I’ll just jump in with both feet anyway. I’m on the phone today so I type dumb stuff and can’t delete it. My touch screen sucks.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
She also has my all time personal favorite performance of the national anthem. That was an epic performance that still nails it for me.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
The version we heard was not live, it was pre-recorded. She sang live to the crowd, but the broadcast used her pre-recorded track (which was later sold in record stores).
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
iirc he posted that he liked the album before but with my memory, who knowsI wasn’t being serious
I think GM miiiiiight have caught that, my man. But you also might know that.
I’ll just jump in with both feet anyway. I’m on the phone today so I type dumb stuff and can’t delete it. My touch screen sucks.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Really. After 25 years your gonna drop this on me now. I can't do this. Ha ha
Dr. Octopus
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zamboni
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On behalf of all bitter Jets fans, I think they should take away the Super Bowl victory from the Giants.
General Malaise
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Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
It’s ok. You’re allowed to like terrible “music”
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Heh, she wasn't even the greatest female teen pop star of the later 80s. Debbie Gibson, please and thank you. (Foolish Beat is still a GREAT pop song)
BLOCKED_PUNT
Footballguy
I know that I voted Madonna and noted my disgruntlement with a lack of Carey but both Houston and Dion can really sing.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
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Gr00vus
Footballguy
Didn't do much for me. Nothing memorable about it. Made me somewhat want to just go and listen to the Mondays or Sugarcubes instead.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Didn't do much for me. Nothing memorable about it. Made me somewhat want to just go and listen to the Mondays or Sugarcubes instead.
All good, brother. You gave it a go, it's not your jam.
I prefer The Sundays to the Mondays personally.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
I did put Mondays didn't I? Geez. I meant Sundays. But i think I actually like the Happy Mondays better than The Sundays. It's close.Didn't do much for me. Nothing memorable about it. Made me somewhat want to just go and listen to the Mondays or Sugarcubes instead.
All good, brother. You gave it a go, it's not your jam.
I prefer The Sundays to the Mondays personally.
Anyways, I don't begrudge anyone their Swift fandom.
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
Voted Madonna. Her nor Swift is the most talented nor has the best voice of that group. Their followings are/were huge. I feel like Madonna crossed gender lines more than Swift. i maybe know 2 Swift songs, though I'd obvi know more if I had daughters. I knew every Madonna song even as a teenage boy. Part of that was likely the rise of MTV, with Madonna dancing to Burning Up rolling around on the floor. And didn't stop there obvi with selling sex. Swift seems to be a more normal and likable person
Every other artist listed has a better voice. But Madonna and Swift seem to have the songs that connect with their target audience..
Every other artist listed has a better voice. But Madonna and Swift seem to have the songs that connect with their target audience..
Chaz McNulty
Footballguy
It surprises me how close this pole is. I grew up in the 80's and Madonna was huge, but I don't think she can hold a candle to TS when it comes to a singer/song writer.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Not sure why that matters. That is like saying, "Tom Brady isn't better than Joe Montana because w/o Joe Cool there is no TB12." Apples and oranges, yes, but the idea that whomever came first has to be better doesn't pass the sniff test.
No, she cannot. And I like a fair amount of Madonna songs, but Swift is a far better songwriter.
I think innovation and breaking new ground matters. Madonna did that. Taylor did that, too, but in the 21st century it looks a lot different. Crossing boundaries, going viral, it’s all impressive. I’ll give Taylor her due. And she’s a great songwriter. She just doesn’t sing well. I have a hard time getting past that. Maybe I’m making the argument for Whitney Houston now, considering she could do it all but also blows away all but maybe Adele in the singing category. Anyway, Madonna just hits differently—she’s still my pick.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
This is where I’m at. Neither are in the same stratosphere of vocal talent as Whitney,Linda,Adele/Aretha.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
With all due respect, saying Whitney could do it all really isn't accurate. She was an incredible singer, yes, but not really a songwriter. She had 23 top 10 hits here in America, and was a credited writer on a grand total on 1 of them (she was one of three writers on that song). That is not meant as a criticism, as not everyone has every tool in the toolbox, but saying she could do it all just isn't quite accurate. One of the best singers ever? Absolutely. No one can take that from her.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Neither Lennon nor McCartney were near the same level vocally as Freddie Mercury but the Beatles are a "greater" band than Queen.
Sure others are better singers than Swift. But there's more to it than that when considering "greatest" pop star.
Sure others are better singers than Swift. But there's more to it than that when considering "greatest" pop star.
Psychopav
Help us, Joebi-Wan Brynobi, you're our only ho
Serious question from someone who hasn't heard much Swift: why the bolded? Other than they're both female pop stars I'm not seeing the similarity.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
This is meant in general and not directed at anyone here, but I think the mentality to which you are referring is a rock fan's general thinking. "Pop music is all about the singing and not the music," so therefore the the best pop singers are the best pop stars. But, like you said, it's not that simple. Neither Swift nor Madonna would ever win a greatest singer ever contest, but both have done just fine given their capabilities and, what some might call, limitations. One doesn't need to belt it out like Whitney or Freddie to be a good singer.
rockaction
Footballguy
Emcees should know their limitations - Souls of Mischief
SWC
Bromigo
i have tried to think about this and for me it is between madonna and taylor and i dont think that madonna had as big of an impact upon society as taylor i mean there is a whole generation of girls where the world revolves around taylor i dont think that was the same for madonna and i lived through both now is a lot of that based on the rise of social media probably but all the same i think that taylor had a bigger impact on society with the movie and the eras tour and all that jazz take that to the bank bromigos
General Malaise
Footballguy
BLOCKED_PUNT
Footballguy
I was going to say that it was so odd that TS is winning this but didn't have any albums on the album countdown but I looked back and saw that Folklore did make it. I've only ever listened to one TS but I know and like a few Madonna songs. I think you could argue that TS is better since she's insanely popular and has a big pile of cash but I also think that her competition is alot less than what Madonna faced in the 80's and 90's. Madonna is a household name 40 years later...Taylor is the IT girl now but will she be a household name in 40 years?
Madonnas roster is more impressive though.
Madonnas roster is more impressive though.
Bob Loblaw
Footballguy
Voted TS, but gave Other (Mariah) some consideration.
General Malaise
Footballguy
I was going to say that it was so odd that TS is winning this but didn't have any albums on the album countdown but I looked back and saw that Folklore did make it. I've only ever listened to one TS but I know and like a few Madonna songs. I think you could argue that TS is better since she's insanely popular and has a big pile of cash but I also think that her competition is alot less than what Madonna faced in the 80's and 90's. Madonna is a household name 40 years later...Taylor is the IT girl now but will she be a household name in 40 years?
Madonnas roster is more impressive though.
Taylor has been doing it for 20 years. Her debut album in 2006 was a massive hit. She's also been insanely successful and popular across 2 different genres. Can't say that about Madonna.
And, Taylor is a very good musician, playing multiple instruments including guitar, piano and banjo. How many instruments can Madonna play?
BLOCKED_PUNT
Footballguy
I would have guessed none but google saidI was going to say that it was so odd that TS is winning this but didn't have any albums on the album countdown but I looked back and saw that Folklore did make it. I've only ever listened to one TS but I know and like a few Madonna songs. I think you could argue that TS is better since she's insanely popular and has a big pile of cash but I also think that her competition is alot less than what Madonna faced in the 80's and 90's. Madonna is a household name 40 years later...Taylor is the IT girl now but will she be a household name in 40 years?
Madonnas roster is more impressive though.
Taylor has been doing it for 20 years. Her debut album in 2006 was a massive hit. She's also been insanely successful and popular across 2 different genres. Can't say that about Madonna.
And, Taylor is a very good musician, playing multiple instruments including guitar, piano and banjo. How many instruments can Madonna play?
Madonna is known for her versatility and has demonstrated proficiency in several musical instruments.
Instruments Played:
- Guitar: She plays both acoustic and electric guitar, often using it in her live performances.
- Piano: Madonna is skilled at playing the piano, which she uses for songwriting and live shows.
- Drums: She has been seen playing drums, particularly during rehearsals and in some performances.
- Bass Guitar: Madonna has also played bass guitar, showcasing her ability to handle various string instruments.
- Vocals: While not an instrument, her vocal ability is a significant aspect of her music career.
- Songwriting: Madonna writes and composes her music, often incorporating her instrumental skills into her creative process.
General Malaise
Footballguy
I would have guessed none but google saidI was going to say that it was so odd that TS is winning this but didn't have any albums on the album countdown but I looked back and saw that Folklore did make it. I've only ever listened to one TS but I know and like a few Madonna songs. I think you could argue that TS is better since she's insanely popular and has a big pile of cash but I also think that her competition is alot less than what Madonna faced in the 80's and 90's. Madonna is a household name 40 years later...Taylor is the IT girl now but will she be a household name in 40 years?
Madonnas roster is more impressive though.
Taylor has been doing it for 20 years. Her debut album in 2006 was a massive hit. She's also been insanely successful and popular across 2 different genres. Can't say that about Madonna.
And, Taylor is a very good musician, playing multiple instruments including guitar, piano and banjo. How many instruments can Madonna play?
Madonna is known for her versatility and has demonstrated proficiency in several musical instruments.
Instruments Played:
Additional Skills:
- Guitar: She plays both acoustic and electric guitar, often using it in her live performances.
- Piano: Madonna is skilled at playing the piano, which she uses for songwriting and live shows.
- Drums: She has been seen playing drums, particularly during rehearsals and in some performances.
- Bass Guitar: Madonna has also played bass guitar, showcasing her ability to handle various string instruments.
These instruments contribute to her dynamic performances and songwriting, reflecting her diverse musical talents.
- Vocals: While not an instrument, her vocal ability is a significant aspect of her music career.
- Songwriting: Madonna writes and composes her music, often incorporating her instrumental skills into her creative process.
I'll use AI too.
Based on the information available, it appears that Taylor Swift is generally considered a more accomplished guitarist than Madonna.
Taylor Swift's guitar skills are acknowledged, especially within the context of her singer-songwriter style.
She's recognized for:
Solid Rhythm and Performance Skills: Maintaining a strong rhythm and confident performance while singing.
Effective Use of Techniques: Utilizing strumming, fingerpicking, and other techniques to create catchy melodies and intricate chord progressions that complement her songs.
Songwriting: Writing her own songs and often being the sole credited songwriter, which involves composing chord progressions on guitar and piano.
Critical Recognition: Being ranked among notable guitar players, with one source mentioning her as the 8th best guitarist of the last two decades.
In contrast, while Madonna has been shown playing guitar in performances and has reportedly learned the instrument, her guitar playing hasn't been a central or defining element of her musical career in the same way it has been for Taylor Swift.
One source notes she learned to play in 1999 but didn't consistently feature it in her studio recordings until later.
In essence, Taylor Swift's guitar playing is an integral part of her musical identity and songwriting process, while Madonna's involvement with the guitar seems to be more supplementary to her overall performance and artistic expression.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Madonna plays guitar like Bono does. It is for effect. Swift can actually play.
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