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Greatest upside for a young WR (1 Viewer)
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I also went with Evans. There's a decent argument for Roy or Andre because they have more the overwhelming physical packages, but Im convinced that Evans is the next steve smith/santana moss as soon as he gets consistent QB play.
-OZ-
Footballguy
If we're taking risk and everything into account, I agree with the Evans votes.He's also insanely talented, but I like big physical, quick, fast WRs ahead of quick, fast, short WRs. (FWIW, I happen to have MJ, Braylon and Evans in one league, so I'm liking this thread so far)
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Frenchy Fuqua
Footballguy
Roy Williams has TO/Moss-like ability if he can stay healthy.
The Man Who Met Andy Griffith
Footballguy
0 votes for Arnaz Battle?
dickey moe
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Brandon Lloyd
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Rev
Footballguy
Agreed. Battle certainly deserves to be in the discussion, since he's the #1 on a rebuilding team who has come from the bottom of the depth chart by impressing coaches with his abilities. If he stays healthy this season, I see a 75/900/7 ceiling for him, which is pretty darn good.0 votes for Arnaz Battle?
The Man Who Met Andy Griffith
Footballguy
I was kidding actually.Agreed. Battle certainly deserves to be in the discussion, since he's the #1 on a rebuilding team who has come from the bottom of the depth chart by impressing coaches with his abilities. If he stays healthy this season, I see a 75/900/7 ceiling for him, which is pretty darn good.0 votes for Arnaz Battle?
The question was about upside. A few of those guys have legit HOF potential (I am not saying they will reach it, but the upside is there). At best I see Battle being a good NFL starter.
-OZ-
Footballguy
So, in essence, the upside you see for Battle is 75/900/7, roughly the level of Keyshawn Johnson and you really think he's in the conversation with the rest here?Agreed. Battle certainly deserves to be in the discussion, since he's the #1 on a rebuilding team who has come from the bottom of the depth chart by impressing coaches with his abilities. If he stays healthy this season, I see a 75/900/7 ceiling for him, which is pretty darn good.0 votes for Arnaz Battle?
Dancing Bear
Footballguy
I voted OTHER.
To me Ernest Wilford from Jacksonville, has more upside than all other WR's presented.
Ashley Lelie is a close 2nd.
To me Ernest Wilford from Jacksonville, has more upside than all other WR's presented.
Ashley Lelie is a close 2nd.
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lol, he came up from the bottom of the depth chart because the niner wrs suck, not because he's a franchise wr in the making.Agreed. Battle certainly deserves to be in the discussion, since he's the #1 on a rebuilding team who has come from the bottom of the depth chart by impressing coaches with his abilities.0 votes for Arnaz Battle?
I took Edwards here just like the situation with an up in coming team as well as a young QB to build a repore with....Him and Roy are probably 1a/1b IMO. I'm one of the biggest Evens fans but just dont see his ceiling quite as high as these others especially after the case of dropsies he has.
Interesting to see Battle on the list...probably best served leaving that option blank. Sorry!! I like Battle and is a good story but between health and direction of team and just outright tallent doesnt really fit the mold of a high ceiling type guy.
As for Andre Johnson, am i the only one that believes he has fullfilled his ceiling? Yikes!!!
Bombs away on responses to my post lol
Edited: To include Clayton take. Like him to be a little better than Evans but not the ceiling of Edwards or Roy
Interesting to see Battle on the list...probably best served leaving that option blank. Sorry!! I like Battle and is a good story but between health and direction of team and just outright tallent doesnt really fit the mold of a high ceiling type guy.
As for Andre Johnson, am i the only one that believes he has fullfilled his ceiling? Yikes!!!
Bombs away on responses to my post lol
Edited: To include Clayton take. Like him to be a little better than Evans but not the ceiling of Edwards or Roy
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Rev
Footballguy
Well, considering that 75/900/7 is far better than most of the guys on the list, I'd say that a guy with that potential certainly deserves to be in the discussion. Last season, he played his first real minutes on a poor team and still was productive. To illustrate, he either started or saw significant action in only about 8 games. If he gets no better next year, and you stretch that production out over 16 games, that's 64/726/6, alot better that pretty much everyone on the list (granted, many of these guys had injury problems too). When you're talking about upside for a young WR, I honestly think that Battle has to be in the discussion. If he stays healthy this year, I think he'll start on most fantasy rosters, assuming the Niners can rebuild (no guarantee, I know).So, in essence, the upside you see for Battle is 75/900/7, roughly the level of Keyshawn Johnson and you really think he's in the conversation with the rest here?Agreed. Battle certainly deserves to be in the discussion, since he's the #1 on a rebuilding team who has come from the bottom of the depth chart by impressing coaches with his abilities. If he stays healthy this season, I see a 75/900/7 ceiling for him, which is pretty darn good.0 votes for Arnaz Battle?
Good point. I wish I could edit him in! Sorry.
Tenderknee
Footballguy
I think Michael Clayton is the best young WR that just happened to have a mis-step last year. I think he will become one of the elite (top 10) very soon. He has already shown himself to be a reliable receiver that can take it to the house. I hope that his health was the cause for his slump, and that he is over it.
Ruffrodys05
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I almost voted Matt Jones.......then I remembered Ernest Wilford.
I love this guy. I've actually had him on my roster the last two years. Last year I needed to start him on a couple of occasions and he always came through for me with a TD or two.
I will scoop him up in this years draft because nobody else in my league pays any attention to third year WR's.
I love this guy. I've actually had him on my roster the last two years. Last year I needed to start him on a couple of occasions and he always came through for me with a TD or two.
I will scoop him up in this years draft because nobody else in my league pays any attention to third year WR's.
Fullback Fro
yesno
Based on talent . . . . .. 
This discussion is silly. The answer here would be the one with the best measurables. That is 40 time, Vert, Hands, short shuttle, all that crap. As far what situation they land determines their fantasy worth. Whats the point of this discussion. Look at their draft grades coming out of college.
This discussion is silly. The answer here would be the one with the best measurables. That is 40 time, Vert, Hands, short shuttle, all that crap. As far what situation they land determines their fantasy worth. Whats the point of this discussion. Look at their draft grades coming out of college.
Dancing Bear
Footballguy
gman,
I have tried to look at the best performance of young WR over 2005 and then assessed where their upside was ...
To me that pointed to Wilford.
One indicator for possible UPSIDE is their YPC.
Ernest Wilford had 5 games with a YPC of above 20.
Ashley Lelie led all other WR's with 7 games with a YPC of above 20.
Lee Evans had 6 games with a YPC of above 20.
Another indicator was TD's. Wilford has a knack for TD's. He had 7 last year and led all other WR's under consideration.
Admittedly Lelie had a drought in TD's this last year.
My final indicator was stability. Wilford will return to a very stable Jacksonville Offense, and I believe that he can blossom in it.
I have tried to look at the best performance of young WR over 2005 and then assessed where their upside was ...
To me that pointed to Wilford.
One indicator for possible UPSIDE is their YPC.
Ernest Wilford had 5 games with a YPC of above 20.
Ashley Lelie led all other WR's with 7 games with a YPC of above 20.
Lee Evans had 6 games with a YPC of above 20.
Another indicator was TD's. Wilford has a knack for TD's. He had 7 last year and led all other WR's under consideration.
Admittedly Lelie had a drought in TD's this last year.
My final indicator was stability. Wilford will return to a very stable Jacksonville Offense, and I believe that he can blossom in it.
jurb26
Footballguy
My, my do people love to forget about Andre Johnson. This guys is a freak and has all the talent in the world. It's a shame he has been stuck in Hou with the quick 1 sec look down field and dumpoff Carr. Based on talent, I rank them:
Andre Johnson
Roy Williams
Troy Williamson/Matt Jones
Lee Evans
Braylon Edwards
Mark Clayton
Arnaz Battle
I think that Johnson and Williams have created a rather nice seperation between the next group, at least from an NFL standpoint thus far. I also feel that Clayton and Battle just don't really compare very well the the other guys on the list.
Andre Johnson
Roy Williams
Troy Williamson/Matt Jones
Lee Evans
Braylon Edwards
Mark Clayton
Arnaz Battle
I think that Johnson and Williams have created a rather nice seperation between the next group, at least from an NFL standpoint thus far. I also feel that Clayton and Battle just don't really compare very well the the other guys on the list.
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SoFresh&SoClean
Footballguy
Assuming Chris Henry doesn't go to jail. I don't see why he isn't being discussed. He has some serious talent. With that said, I'd still take AJohnson, RWilliams, and perhaps Evan over him. But I could see Henry able to put up some really big numbers if he were a #1 somewhere.
The next Mikhael Ricks. Nice pick Millen. 
DropKick
Footballguy
"measurables" could decide the best athlete but they aren't guaranteed to tell you the best football player. Draft grades coming out of college? You're kidding right? You would rather go on scouting projections rather what these guys have actually shown in the NFL?Based on talent . . . . ..
This discussion is silly. The answer here would be the one with the best measurables. That is 40 time, Vert, Hands, short shuttle, all that crap. As far what situation they land determines their fantasy worth. Whats the point of this discussion. Look at their draft grades coming out of college.
Rev
Footballguy
Well said. Yet, Martz does have a very clear uphill battle in Detroit. Though he has some great WR talent, he doesn't have the Bruce/Holt kind of pedigree to put on the field just yet. Nor does he have Faulk or Warner/Bulger skill position players either. This next season or two will very much define Martz' legacy. If he turns this boat around, he will certainly be among the all time great coaches. And Roy will likely be a greatest statistical beneficiary.
Rev
Footballguy
Battle surges forward with 3 votes... Watch out Roy Williams, here comes Arnaz!I love it.I was kidding actually.Agreed. Battle certainly deserves to be in the discussion, since he's the #1 on a rebuilding team who has come from the bottom of the depth chart by impressing coaches with his abilities. If he stays healthy this season, I see a 75/900/7 ceiling for him, which is pretty darn good.0 votes for Arnaz Battle?
I'll take him over Arnaz Battle.