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I'm talking about any team. Tampa is currently a top tier team for odds to win this year's Super Bowl.
I’m tired of this comparison it’s not even close to the same situation for the following reasons....Challenge Everything said:
There is a difference though...Rodgers was a top 5 talent on most boards...Love has not been seen that way at all. Yeah, all GM's have different boards.Challenge Everything said:
I expect them to make those moves though...I mean...its going to take time to change my mind on the pick.Longtucky Lemmings said:
Packers won the division in 2004, got upstaged in the first round of playoffs, Favre passed for 4,000 yards, Ahman Green had 1,100 yards, Javon Walker had 1,300 yards. A quarterback was the last thing the Packers needed in 2005 after going 10-6 in 2004. One rookie linebacker is not going to push a team into the Superbowl. So, all-in-all, Love is not a bad pick.
We don't know what is talked about behind closed doors. Rodger's contract is really for two more years unless there is a restructuring. Two years to learn under Rodgers for Love is a good learning curve.
What about the part about Rodgers being a top 2 talent that fell or the annual Favre retirement talk? Or the fact Rodgers has 4 years left on his contract and they take a huge cap hit if they get rid of him before the end of the 2022 season.
True...we don't know...but publicly Rodgers has said he wants to play longer...there has been zero indication he is leaning towards retirement.
Not true it’s a 17 million dollar cap hit if they cut him before the 2022 season. So they got 3 years with Rodgers
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Why would/should the public know about Rodger's plans? Finally, who is Rodger's backup? Like it or not, the Packers need a backup QB. We saw one year what happens when a viable backup is not in camp. So, if not Love, who would the Packers backup be?
A rookie LB is much more likely to help them win a playoff game then a guy on the sidelines holding a clipboard. Winning playoffs games should be their focus right now.
Why should we? Im just talk about what he is actually saying...we know it because he has said it. Far different from Favre. Favre there were plenty of hints of retirement...we don't have that with Rodgers.
Not meaningless when you have guys like Clark, Bakhtiarri that want to get paid. Never a good idea to take that big of a hit
What does "smart management" mean in a draft? Following what media pundits say? Smart, successful teams stick to their draft board and don't worry about what pundits and fans think. Should the GM take a wide receiver at 30 even if he didn't have a first round grade on any available WR? With the greatest respect to you and others on this board who follow the NFL draft as a hobby, the fact is that none of us has the knowledge or resources to grade players like an NFL team does, and we know even those NFL team grades are way wrong as much or more often than they are right. So the point for me is that - even knowing absolutely nothing about Jordan Love and not pretending I can predict the future - I love to see the team management stick to its guns and make a move designed to solidify the long-term excellence of the team, knowing full well they will be roasted by the media and fans who are focused on the new shiny toy. For me, this is the complete opposite of teams like the Buccaneers, an absolute laughing stock of a team for most of the past 3 decades.Joe Bryant said:
I hated it at the time and I think we discussed that quite a bit in here. There was tremendous pressure on the team to lock him up and to pay him more than the Ryan deal. Its not a criticism of Rodgers to say he took full advantage of the situation at the time to get a very favorable contract. That said, there's no basis for your comment that they don't have a plan. Its possible they are all incompetent and their history of success is pure luck, but its something none of us knows. I love this move because I think its a perfect time to add a guy with big upside, but one who may not be ready day 1. That's just what I read about him - never seen him play in my life and don't pretend to know how to judge talent.
Yes but makes their deal more challenging when you have a 17 million dollar hit coming.
I would say it's doing what's best for the team.
Green Bay's past success of 3 decades literally has zero factor in this draft pick.
This is not the same thing in mho. I have heard this many times also. The difference is, Love is a developmental level QB. Rodgers could have been the #1pick that year. These scenarios are totally different in my opinion.Challenge Everything said:
The "possible" number one pick that year still needed three years of development to become who we know. If anyone thinks Aaron Rodgers plays from day 1 and becomes who we know him to be... well, good luck with that argument.
I should’ve said it doesn’t appear to have a plan. Locking up an older QB for a longer deal on one side then finding out they wanted Locke last year and took Love this year tells two different stories imo.
Saints passed on him too and we know Brees is done after 2020. They added a piece to help them in 2020 not in 2023. That’s what frustrates me.
It was proven otherwise. Time and time again, a QB that steps in from day 1 may succeed but QB's that have time to develop succeed more often, especially in today's game. There are more Ryan Leaf's than there are Peyton Mannings and even Manning struggled from day 1. Love has two years to develop which should be a good amount of time compared to Burrow or Tua.
Well...currently that hit is coming whether he leaves or not. So it really isn't affecting any possible deals of him leaving or not. Yes...its a dead hit (but the reverse of that is rookie contract then for the starting QB and a possible rising cap...though, not sure what the cap will do due now to how things are going on in the world today).
The point of my comments, perhaps not very well stated, is that I don't know what the next three years will bring, nor does that matter in terms of a decision made last night. I take the GM's comments last night at face value. He said this pick has nothing to do with Aaron Rodgers' contract. He said they value the QB position, had a chance to get a player they like, and went for it. To me, that is a perfect example of "smart management" when it comes to the NFL draft and building a team. Last year they drafted a linebacker, then signed two top FA's at his same position. Does that make it a bad pick? The kid could be a bust or could be a hall of famer. Good teams trust their draft board and ignore short term noise.
Spot on Pipes. They have been fortunate to hit on Favre and Rodgers and their QB spot has probably been the best in the NFL if you look at all 3 decades in total yet their approach is questionable in my mind with not enough urgency to win now. So yeah, we can boast look how well we did with Favre and Rodgers and sure Love could be the next great one but he isn't like Rodgers who went from being talked about as potentially #1 overall pick his rookie year to the slide. Love wasn't considered that high and my view of him was he was the one QB who might go in round 1 to a team desperate for a QB and willing to reach. Heck, it didn't have to be a WR in round 1 for me even though I question that position, I would have even been happy if they had traded up and took one of those two ILB that went just after they took Love after the way SF gouged them last year. When you have an aging Rodgers I say make every pick make your team immediately better for the years Rodgers is still there. You have a HOF QB with only one proven weapon to use. Sure they will probably add some WR later but for one damn time spend an early pick on an elite target for him.Pipes said:
We are talking about Rodgers only. So I will accept that your wrong and neither of us can be proven correct at this point.
Because they signed it two seasons ago with a different head coach and long term plan. He was also a different QB then. And unless he's playing at an elite level (he's not) that contract was always a 2 year deal. His cap numbers as they stand are $36M and $39M the next two years. They can cut him next year and SAVE almost $5M without choosing to spread it out if they want to or they can take $16M for two years and save $20M in each. They gave him two years to get back to elite play and he didn't get there. It's an ugly way to do it but if your guy is there you strike while it's cheap-ish. If Love is Dak no one is gonna care 12 months from now about using this pick this way.Pipes said:
I would say the opposite. First round QBs, even 'raw' ones, don't sit for 3 years anymore. That is a thing of the past. Just like college basketball players playing 4 years then going pro, etc, times change. He needs to be starting within 2 years.
People will totally care if they fall short in the playoffs the next year or two. They have a small window with Rodgers and have spent 2 first rounders in a row on developmental guys. So frustrating.
There was alot of discussion about that deal at the time. Rodgers had the Packers in a very difficult position and he and his agent exploited it perfectly, as he had every right to. They had to extend him and had to top Ryan's deal, which they did by quite a bit. It looks dumb in retrospect, and looked bad even at the time, but I think most people realize he had them over a barrel and they caved in a moment of weakness. I understand why @Pipes and others want to view the draft pick last night in the context of Rodgers' contract, but I view them as completely separate from each other. I love everything I'm hearing from and about Gutekunst today. They probably didn't expect to be drafting Jordan Love yesterday, but the way the draft went - especially with three WR's and Kenneth Murray all going from 21-25, its great to see a GM with the stones to act with conviction, trust his board and go get a quarterback.
Well that sure was a fancy way to dance around the question. Who cares if you don't know the answer, it's a good exercise and hurts nobody to speculate on a board. So what are the possibilities here of when Love becomes the starting QB of the GB Packers?
