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Crimedogg32
Footballguy
I think the best value is Najeh because he can be had for next to nothing and IMO got probably more talent at this time then Ahman just needs the opportunity. Stay away from Gado he appears to be third string at best and usually taken as one of the top backup RBs
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
If Green is healthy he has a lock on the starting job.
As far as the backup role it's too early to tell.
As far as the backup role it's too early to tell.
Man in the yellow hat
Footballguy
I have to say guys, the odds of Green returning from this do not appear good. Seriously. Can you name many running backs who have returned from a quad rupture? The only one I can think of off hand is Buckhalter, and his return is seriously up in the air this season.
Green Bay alone has seen two defensive lineman go through this injury. Santana Dotson and Steven Warren. Neither player was even close to their pre-injury ability, and both were out of the league not long after.
The odds don't look good for Green in my opnion.
Green Bay alone has seen two defensive lineman go through this injury. Santana Dotson and Steven Warren. Neither player was even close to their pre-injury ability, and both were out of the league not long after.
The odds don't look good for Green in my opnion.
a_rackowski
Footballguy
Gado says the job belongs to green, but I truly think its going to be full blown running back by committee. And I think the Packers will be better because of it.
I suspect Herron is getting a lot of reps because, if the Packers are going to give him a roster spot, it will likely come at the expense of Green, Gado, Davenport, or Leach . . . and before they cut any of those guys, they want to see as much from Herron as they can. I think Herron is a huge underdog to win the starting job; but it's looking like he may not be a huge underdog to make the team.
wannabee
Footballguy
I think you are exactly right Maurile. I read this snippet a few days ago that confirms your thoughts:Packers coach Mike McCarthy said Noah Herron, "definitely has a place on our football team if he continues to perform like he has."
Published Wed Jun 14 10:39:00 a.m. ET 2006
(Rotoworld) Packers coach Mike McCarthy said Noah Herron, "definitely has a place on our football team if he continues to perform like he has."
Impact: It's a strong statement, as Herron would probably have to push Samkon Gado, Najeh Davenport, or fullback Vonta Leach off the roster. McCarthy sees Herron as a RB/FB, which could limit any fantasy upside
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Noahs Troopers
Footballguy
el centro
Footballguy
I'd agree with this... I think as early reports indicated - it is Green's job to lose... not to say that he won't, but it's decent competition of mid-level RBs. If Green could a glimmer of what he used to be back, he could be a decent #2 RB - solid #3. The problem currently is that it is strictly mini-camps - we won't know much till the training camps / Pre-Season kicks-off in July.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Gado fits the one cut and go, zone blocking system the best as well.
Colt Of Personality
Footballguy
Absolutely Green... but it doesn't last long. I'll stay away.
nygiants56
Footballguy
Man in the yellow hat
Footballguy
Both. I believe he tore his ACL, then in his comeback attempt he ruptured his quad.Didn't Buckhalter blow out his knee repeatedly (and not the quad tendon)?
Big Score
Footballguy
Gado, Herron & most importantly Green Bay's OC (Jeff Jagodzinski) have all said Ahman Green is the #1 RB if healthy.
However that's a big "IF", given the nature of Green's injury.
It should also be noted that both Green & Davenport were both signed to one year contracts that were designed to be cap friendly in the event of cutting either of these players.
However that's a big "IF", given the nature of Green's injury.
It should also be noted that both Green & Davenport were both signed to one year contracts that were designed to be cap friendly in the event of cutting either of these players.
Tony Jabroni
Footballguy
Leach is our FB of the future. I can't see him going anywhere.
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
I haven't heard any bad news about Green lately, so I'd say Green is the frontrunner currently.
Aaronstory
Footballguy
According to Cliff Cristal, Herron has been horrible catching the ball both out of the backfield and out on routes during the OTAs. He'll have a hard time starting if that continues...
Man in the yellow hat
Footballguy
Good call. He did it twice. Yikes.So, any other running backs to work from here? I can only think of the two D lineman, and that doesn't bode well for Green based on that sample.
Noahs Troopers
Footballguy
The last news heard on Green was he isn't going to start participating until late August, you consider this good?
Big Score
Footballguy
The bad news was immediately upon the diagnosis of his injury being a quadriceps tendon tear.Here are some medical facts surrounding quadriceps tendon tears.
pediatrics.about.com
Quadriceps Tendon Rupture - PrognosisFrom the above, there is no doubt that a quadriceps tendon tear, is a serious injury. The odds of a person returning to 100% preinjury capability are less than 50%. :(
Sleeper 43
Footballguy
Green Week 1-3 (if hes doesnt get hurt he will start longer)
Gado/Herron 4-6 (Gado is an AVERAGE rb with AVERAGE skills)
Herron 6+
This is coming from a guy who drafted Herron in the last round of Dynasty Drafts last year when the Steelers picked him up.
This guy CAN carry the load for sure. Alot of folks havent taken note of his history.
YEAR ATT YDS AVG LNG TD REC YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LST
2002 66 365 5.5 34 7 15 184 12.3 33 0 0 0
2003 119 739 6.2 69 5 19 228 12.0 31 1 0 0
2004 274 1381 5.0 68 14 36 351 9.8 35 1 0 0
Hes big and runs strong. Dont sleep on Herron. I know its early and were talking OTA's but my prediction doesnt just come from recent news.
BUT aside from all this Green Bays featured tail back of the future will be thier 07 1st round pick.
Gado/Herron 4-6 (Gado is an AVERAGE rb with AVERAGE skills)
Herron 6+
This is coming from a guy who drafted Herron in the last round of Dynasty Drafts last year when the Steelers picked him up.
This guy CAN carry the load for sure. Alot of folks havent taken note of his history.
YEAR ATT YDS AVG LNG TD REC YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LST
2002 66 365 5.5 34 7 15 184 12.3 33 0 0 0
2003 119 739 6.2 69 5 19 228 12.0 31 1 0 0
2004 274 1381 5.0 68 14 36 351 9.8 35 1 0 0
Hes big and runs strong. Dont sleep on Herron. I know its early and were talking OTA's but my prediction doesnt just come from recent news.
BUT aside from all this Green Bays featured tail back of the future will be thier 07 1st round pick.
ATC1
Footballguy
ACL is a ligament, not a muscle, so developing the muscle after an ACL reconstrustion is no problem. Repairing a ruptured muscle is different because you have to let the muscle repair from surgery before putting any stress on the muscle that might hurt the cahnces of the healing process.
I think saying 6 months for this type of injury is way too early. It's more like a ruptured achellies. Notable names coming back from this ruptured muscle is R. Curry, T. Spikes, E. Hartwell. Curry tried to come back last season, but reinjured himself in the first game back.
The Quad is the muscle that gives a RB his power running. IMO Green wil never be the same. I hate giving away my sleepers, but I really like Gado in the new zone offensive system this year. Look at how raw and powerful he was last year. He put up some incredible numbers on a very bad team.
I think saying 6 months for this type of injury is way too early. It's more like a ruptured achellies. Notable names coming back from this ruptured muscle is R. Curry, T. Spikes, E. Hartwell. Curry tried to come back last season, but reinjured himself in the first game back.
The Quad is the muscle that gives a RB his power running. IMO Green wil never be the same. I hate giving away my sleepers, but I really like Gado in the new zone offensive system this year. Look at how raw and powerful he was last year. He put up some incredible numbers on a very bad team.
Aaronstory
Footballguy
Recent news...like this?Neither Gado nor Noah Herron, the top two tailbacks on the OTA depth chart, have exactly been sure-handed as receivers. ...
Or this?
Herron dropped another easy pass that was right in his mitts in the 7-on-7 red-zone session. …
Or this?
Herron still looks to me like the same one-gear back who hit a hole and disappeared en route to averaging 2.7 yards on 45 carries in the Packers’ last three games of last season.
Or this?
Herron dropped another screen pass from quarterback Aaron Rodgers in the first team session. …
And those are just in the last week.
If you can't catch the ball, WITHOUT PADS ON, you will not be the strating HB for a WCO team.
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Man in the yellow hat
Footballguy
Some science to back me up. It pains me to say it, but I think Green is in trouble.Conversly, I think we're all missing the boat here. Najeh Davenport is more talented than both Gado and Herron. I find it interesting that he is being written off so soon. Yes, he has battled injuries, but a broken eye socket and broken ankle just seem more freak like than a rapidly eroding quad. The odds of Davenport recovering are much higher than Green. My depth chart looks like this:
Davenport
Gado
Herron
Green
Sleeper 43
Footballguy
So he drops some passes and all the sudden he cant play in the WCO?!It probably took alot of effort on your part to sift through all the postive press to find a couple one liners.
This was umm yesterday.... from the O coodinater
"I'm really excited about him," offensive coordinator Jeff Jagodzinski said Monday afternoon after the 12th of the team's 14 OTAs, which wrap up Wednesday. "He's made the most improvement of any of them."
This was on the 13th of this month....... from the head coach
"He's a very natural, instinctive football player," Head Coach Mike McCarthy said. "I think he's had a tremendous spring and I think he definitely has a place on our football team if he continues to perform as he has."
Looks like he could catch just fine at NU........
Herron said he became somewhat familiar with zone blocking while at Northwestern. There, he rushed for 2,524 yards and 26 touchdowns in 45 games and served as the lead back in the Wildcats' Shotgun Offense most of his final two seasons. He also caught 72 passes for 781 yards and two touchdowns .
Aaronstory
Footballguy
You eat up that coach speak, buddy. I'll stick with the objective observer...
Sleeper 43
Footballguy
Really? I'd go with the guy who calls the shots. Rather than a columnist.
Man in the yellow hat
Footballguy
Why is Herron learning the FB position? My guess is the guys that show the most versatility and value to the team will remain. The rest will hit the bricks. And the fact is, Green is a lot farther away from being back than Davenport. http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...ne=68582&spln=1
The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel believes Najeh Davenport and Ahman Green could be battling for one roster spot.
It's what we thought the day Davenport re-signed with the team. Both players are recovering from injuries and are signed to very small contracts. Of course, the winner between the two may be starting. Jun. 15 - 11:58 am et
Tony Jabroni
Footballguy
I'm a Packer homer by trade, and, I've just got to say that I generally disagree with everything MITYH has ever said about this team.
No offense, chief.
BWIH.
No offense, chief.
BWIH.
Man in the yellow hat
Footballguy
OK. You certainly are free to have your opinion. I'm also a Packer homer, and just call it as I see it. No offense taken. Discussion like this is what the board is all about.However, I am curious as to what I've said that caused you to post this.....I'm a Packer homer by trade, and, I've just got to say that I generally disagree with everything MITYH has ever said about this team.
No offense, chief.
BWIH.
Man in the yellow hat
Footballguy
Further, it sure doesn't sound to me like they're training Davenport to play fullback and nothing else. http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=425729
Notes: Davenport will sit until training camp
Coaches won't rush him back to field
By LORI NICKEL
lnickel@journalsentinel.com
Posted: May 20, 2006
Green Bay - It's been seven months of "hurry up and wait" for Green Bay Packers running back Najeh Davenport.
And so he waits.
With a 5-inch scar up the side of his foot and enough scar tissue to leave the ankle a little swollen, Davenport still had hoped he would be able to play in the Packers' second minicamp of the Mike McCarthy era this weekend.
Instead, he won't be ready until training camp sometime in late July or early August.
"A lot of guys want to rush back," said offensive coordinator Jeff Jagodzinski. "But he's been here for the whole off-season program. He has an idea of what we're trying to get done out there. We're playing it on the safe side. Why would you lose a guy in shorts?"
But knowing what this new staff is planning is exactly why Davenport is so eager to get back on the field. For one, he likes the zone-blocking scheme this staff will use apparently more often than in Davenport's previous four years in Green Bay.
"I'm a big back, and this is a one-cut lead type thing," said Davenport. "So one cut will do me just fine. Nine times out of 10, my damage is going to come straight ahead, downfield, that's when I'm most powerful. I don't have to follow a guard here, follow a guard there, I just hit it and see what I need to see and just go."
Davenport also is eager to get back because he has been promised more involvement in the offense. Davenport has always been Ahman Green's backup, even when he has been healthy, which has been spotty so far in his career.
But the complementary role to Green will change for Davenport if both he and Green, recovering from a torn tendon in his thigh, come back fully from their injuries.
"They say we're going to do a lot of running," Davenport said.
That doesn't necessarily mean a multiple-back system like they had in Pittsburgh, sharing snaps. The Packers will train Davenport at fullback.
"Maybe both of them will be in the backfield at the same time," Jagodzinski said. "We can do that. In this scheme, the fullback position has always been able to go back and play tailback because of what we do. I think he can do both. He's athletic enough to do it."
The Packers like that Davenport is big enough to block at fullback. They also like him as a running back because he's such a big load for linebackers to bring down. Davenport said he's above his ideal weight of 242 pounds, but that will come off when he can run more consistently.
Noahs Troopers
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