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Green Bay Seeking a Trade for RB... (1 Viewer)
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CompetitiveEdgeFootball
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Well Carolina has been rumored to believe that Williams is "the less talented" of the two backs. Which is obviously total horse ####, but if they put their money where their mouth is, and they really believe that, it makes sense for them to deal him. Draft picks I suppose might help, I wouldn't be surprised to see James Jones sent over, since Car needs so much help at wide out...
What would the cost/value of Deangelo be? If I was Carolina I'd want either a 1st, or maybe two 2nds or something. What say you all?
As a side note; Green Bay is definately a team that could/should be a Super Bowl contender. Good defense. Good passing game. However, if they are going to have a legit shot at the Lombardi Trophy, I strongly believe they will need someone else at RB. I do not think they win a conference title, much less the championship, with Jackson, Kuhn, Nance, Starks. I also think the GB front office is becoming more aware of this with each passing week.
Personally, I think they pull something off before the trade deadline. But the longer they wait, the more other teams can demand.
*This is all NFL talk...I have no further vested FF interest in GB since I lost Grant.
As a side note; Green Bay is definately a team that could/should be a Super Bowl contender. Good defense. Good passing game. However, if they are going to have a legit shot at the Lombardi Trophy, I strongly believe they will need someone else at RB. I do not think they win a conference title, much less the championship, with Jackson, Kuhn, Nance, Starks. I also think the GB front office is becoming more aware of this with each passing week.
Personally, I think they pull something off before the trade deadline. But the longer they wait, the more other teams can demand.
*This is all NFL talk...I have no further vested FF interest in GB since I lost Grant.
CompetitiveEdgeFootball
Footballguy
Well I'd ask for like a 1 and 4
or a 2 and 4 and throw in like Driver or James Jones...
or a 2 and 4 and throw in like Driver or James Jones...
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Doesn't add any new information - we already knew they were after a RB when they tried to trade for Lynch. The rest is no better than the informed speculation you read in the SP.
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scott72
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They're going to want at least a 2nd if not a 1st. As has been mentioned around here several times, our GM just isn't into trading high picks. He values them as much as his children. If I had to wager I'd say they'll stand pat with what they have unless they find an opportunity to add someone much cheaper.
JahVideo_Kilt_Radio_Star
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James Jones is trash. He's the Pack's verson of Bryant Johnson (guess you'll find that out when he leaves). But anyways...
Dealing Williams wouldn't be a bad idea for Carolina as they're going nowhere this year and have RB depth. But as stingy as Thompson is with draft picks, doubtful he'll give much of anything worth the Panthers' time.
Dealing Williams wouldn't be a bad idea for Carolina as they're going nowhere this year and have RB depth. But as stingy as Thompson is with draft picks, doubtful he'll give much of anything worth the Panthers' time.
Insein
Footballguy
Except that its from reporters who are supposedly in the know. Carries a slight bit more wait than Joe Schmoe from the pool.
Hipple Long Ware & Peete
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My ###. If they were actively trying they would have ponied up a 3rd to possibly solidify their Ofense for a playoff run.Insein said:
The_U
Footballguy
I love Drive, but he does not offer a franchise like Carolina any value as an "add-in" to a deal for a franchise back. I think they'd take their chances with a guy like Jones or Nelson and the picks. I don't see Thompson ponying up for Williams when it's pretty clear he wasn't willing enough to meet Buffalo's ask on Lynch.Numerous Packer homers have spoken ad nauseum about TT's love of his picks. This would be an amazing back for GB's offense, but it's not likely. IF TT has come to his senses, look for a more reasonable deal unless Carolina just [craps] the bed in a deal as they have been known to do.
Masked Vigilante
Footballguy
What's DeAngelo's contract situation like?
packersfan
Footballguy
Not only do I not see Teddy part with one of his precious top draft picks to get a proven RB but so far every indication from Panther beat writers is that Williams is not available. I also don't see the Ravens trading McGahee - especially with Rice already banged up.
HenryMuto
Footballguy
He is in his final year.
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jurrassic
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They may end up trading for a rb but with all of the injuries on the defensive side, he may opt to trade a pick for another lb, dt or db. If they go after a back, I would be shocked if it was Williams. TT loves draft pick more than Polian and Grant just signed a pretty large contract a few years ago. The Packers also are actually pretty well up against the cap next year. I think they are 8th in committed money next year, have to resign Jenkins and will need to extend Matthews soon. Remember Thompson sent a 5th for Grant and that was a huge success. It is much more likely they go after a back like Choice or James Davis. It's too bad Ward signed with Houston that's a back TT would have signed.
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Phase of the Game
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Thompson has shown he can't step up when he needs to and deal one of his precious draft picks. He has dug in on this one and I highly doubt he will make a trade now since he has been getting crap for not making the trade for Lynch. He is too stubborn and that is his achilles heel.
Carolina Hustler
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It's not about talent because they are viewed as both being relatively talented.. They don't share the same traits..It's about the contracts and age...
Phase of the Game
Footballguy
What makes you think that?
Mile High
Footballguy
jurrassic
Footballguy
He follows Bill Polian's philosophy almost to a tee. Load up on cheap young talent, extend your core players and try to field a consistent winner with the hope everything comes together every few years for a run at the Super Bowl. He does have a flaw in his love of draft picks but I think the bigger flaw is having too much confidence in the players he drafted. They are a draft and develop organization. You here that all the time. It's funny too because Grant was a trade and Woodson, Pickett and Chillar were free agents and those guys have been big successes.
loose circuits
Footballguy
I think they haven't made a move cause they like James Starks that much
when is the trade deadline?
when is the trade deadline?
jurrassic
Footballguy
He reminds me of backs the Packers have drafted, he fits the offense and he would have been cheap. People have to remember the Packers weren't willing to give up a 4th for Moss a few years ago. He wasn't going to give up a 4th for Lynch. As it turned out, he was right they didn't need Moss. They got to the NFC Championship game and have one of the top 5 receiving corps in the league. As a Packers fan it's really frustrating but the guy has been right more than he's been wrong. People #####ed when he drafted Rodgers for not getting more help for Favre.
Phase of the Game
Footballguy
Do some more research on Thompson and report back to us. Every beat writer in Wisconsin understands this.
Phase of the Game
Footballguy
But you said Ward was a back that Thompson would have signed. I don't see much from his Thompson's history to support that. If he wanted Ward why didn't he sign him?
Phase of the Game
Footballguy
I agree with that but that doesn't mean that Thompson still couldn't be doing a better job.
cantstop1999
Footballguy
I don't know why they don't try to go out and get choice. Dallas has the backs to trade and I think Dallas would listen to a trade even though I thought I heard that there not trading any of there backs. I think 1 of them they would let go ,even if it were Barber. Also I feel seeing how he didn't make a trade for someone yet he may not.
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jurrassic
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I like what I've seen of Starks (his Junior year of college). Starks hasn't picked up a football in a long time. He didn't play his last year of college due to injury, he didn't participate in any of traning camp and he has sat out the first 6 weeks of the season. I don't know how you can rely on that guy to be the savior of your running game.
Actually I seem to understand Thompson's history better than most here. Twice in recent the past he was willing to trade picks for guys he thought he needed to have.
Carr 2 Smith
Footballguy
I've seen this repeated over and over again in the SP the last few weeks. All I see on him is that he was a 6th rd pick who looked good in Minicamp, then went down with an injury. Missed all of preseason and on PUP until week 7. For an injury-prone, division 1A half back (an okay one at that) who is built like a receiver, he sure is getting a lot of hype around here.
GB homers, is there something I'm missing here? Was he that good?
I have him stashed in a deeper league based off all the Starks talk, but the more I look into things I just don't know if it's worth the hold for this season.
Any info would help. Thanks!
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jurrassic
Footballguy
Grant wasn't hurt then. The biggest mistake he made was keeping 3 fullbacks and only 2 rbs. I'd feel much better with Lumpkin running the ball over Jackson. Jackson is a mediocre 3rd down back. His greatest asset is his blocking ability which is valued pretty highly in Green Bay for obvious reasons.
The Super Bowl is in Dallas this year and the Cowboys are desperate to get there. They aren't about to help out one of their biggest hurdles in the NFC.
Phase of the Game
Footballguy
Actually you don't. You are giving just two examples and that is all. The beat writers that follow the Packers would seem to know more than you, son. Do some research on how Thompson handles drafts and his picks and get back to us.
Phase of the Game
Footballguy
Now there is a good point.....Thompson failed with his love of keeping all those fullbacks and letting Lumpkin go.
Northbound Train
Footballguy
I doubt Dalllas trades a back to a team they have a good shot at facing in the playoffs...ain't gonna happen.
cantstop1999
Footballguy
I don't believe Dallas would be afraid of getting beat by G.B. over a trade for Choice ,just my opinion.
jurrassic
Footballguy
Hoarding picks gave him the ammunition to move up.
Kleck
Footballguy
According to Andrew brandt, that is false.
Could this latest story be a PR move to save face...The packers have been ridiculed in the media and amongst the stock holders for not making a move to improve their RB situation, especially since they are among the best teams in the NFC. Without a RB, they will not go far in the playoffs, if they even get there.
Son? Really? Do you think trying to belittle me strengthens your argument?This situation strikes me as a textbook case of conventional wisdom run off the rails. Everybody and their brother -- from beat writers to Shark Pool posters -- run around proclaiming that Thompson won't trade picks, and before long it becomes accepted as truth without any further examination or scrutiny.Only problem is, it's not true, at least not universally true. And I just illustrated that. Perhaps you're the one needing study up, or at least stop believe everything the beat writers are telling you must automatically be correct.Actually you don't. You are giving just two examples and that is all. The beat writers that follow the Packers would seem to know more than you, son. Do some research on how Thompson handles drafts and his picks and get back to us.
Conventional wisdom was proved wrong. Who cares the reason.
jurrassic
Footballguy
Could be, I haven't had the chance to read that article yet. I've heard it's good. I believe you if I'm wrong. Point being Moss was just gotten for a third several years later.
Phase of the Game
Footballguy
Son? Really? Do you think trying to belittle me strengthens your argument?This situation strikes me as a textbook case of conventional wisdom run off the rails. Everybody and their brother -- from beat writers to Shark Pool posters -- run around proclaiming that Thompson won't trade picks, and before long it becomes accepted as truth without any further examination or scrutiny.Only problem is, it's not true, at least not universally true. And I just illustrated that. Perhaps you're the one needing study up, or at least stop believe everything the beat writers are telling you must automatically be correct.Actually you don't. You are giving just two examples and that is all. The beat writers that follow the Packers would seem to know more than you, son. Do some research on how Thompson handles drafts and his picks and get back to us.
No one has stated TT won't trade picks. However, anyone with half a brain that follows the Packers knows that TT doesn't like to trade picks and prefers to have as many as he can come draft day. That is a fact that you can't grasp. Not to mention trying to say you know more than the Packer beat writers.
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Eastwood
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Not buying it, but IF the Packers got D-Will, that would be one of the scariest offenses we've seen in the last decade in the NFL.
Rogers, D-Will, Finley, Jennings, Driver, Jones, wow. Just wow.
But Panther would be crazy to take anything less than a 2nd and later pick for him IMO. He's still young, not much wear and tear, and I'll argue one of the best 5 RBs in the NFL.
Rogers, D-Will, Finley, Jennings, Driver, Jones, wow. Just wow.
But Panther would be crazy to take anything less than a 2nd and later pick for him IMO. He's still young, not much wear and tear, and I'll argue one of the best 5 RBs in the NFL.
packersfan
Footballguy
Moss, Tony Gonzalez and Lynch are all examples of Thompson not going the extra mile to get a proven talent (and in the case of Moss and Gonzalez, Hall of Fame talents). With Moss, Thompson wouldn't budge on the length of the contract. He insisted Moss had to sign a two-year deal when Moss only wanted one year. The Patriots wisely didn't have any problems giving him a one-year deal and he went there. With Gonzalez, Thompson wouldn't budge when the Chiefs came in at the last minute and changed the asking price from a third-round pick to a second. And with Lynch, Thompson refused to top a very mild offer that Seattle made and address by far the No. 1 area of need on his team. That's why there is little reason to believe in my opinion that Thompson will be aggressive should Williams or McGahee or another proven RB become available before the Oct. 19th deadline. He had his shot to address the position without paying a hefty price but once again he refused to go the extra mile. While there have been some rare exceptions, this has been his standard method of procedure. His lack of aggressiveness has indeed been frustrating to watch as a Packers fan.
This is just me being crazy and speculating with no knowledge of contract status and the like but...
Considering how Cleveland outright DESPISES Jerome Harrison, is there any chance that Green Bay looks to make a trade with the Browns?
I'm not saying he's the answer or anything. But he'd certainly be an improvement over Jackson/Kuhn and I don't see Cleveland asking for that high of a pick, either.
Considering how Cleveland outright DESPISES Jerome Harrison, is there any chance that Green Bay looks to make a trade with the Browns?
I'm not saying he's the answer or anything. But he'd certainly be an improvement over Jackson/Kuhn and I don't see Cleveland asking for that high of a pick, either.
jurrassic
Footballguy
The other factor in all of this, according to local beat writers, is that in the past John Schneider was the one who pushed and challenged Ted to be more aggressive. He is now in Seattle, and ended up making the move for Lynch. Reggie McKenzie, the 2nd in command behind Thompson, is apparently just as conservative as he is.
