Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Any Packers fans or insiders have any clue as to how their running attack will pan out in the coming weeks?
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums
This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!
Green Bay's running game (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter Ghost Rider
- Start date
At this point MM has said he wont be calling a lot of running plays just to call them. I think he is gonna wait till he has VM back and healthy before he worries about the running game. Seems to me from what i have read/heard in/on the local papers and MM show, he is not too worried about calling running plays untill nov/dec.
I was surprised to see Ron Grant, the RB acquired by Green Bay from the Giants before the season began, getting the first carries in last weekend's game. He simply adds another layer to a very poor RB squad and apparently another option that Coach McCarthy is willing to use in his RBBC. Brandon Jackson, D. Wynn and Grant all got carries in the game. None of them appear to be a viable starter in fantasy football, and the fact that G.B. tried using Grant in the 1st quarter just highlights how futile and ineffective the other runners have been. Grant didn't do much, and I don't recall him having much of a role later in the game.Furthermore, Coach McCarthy has finally conceded that the run game is a mess and embraced a pass-first mentality. Green Bay began passing the ball extensively in the second half of week two against the Giants, and the team played the same style of offense versus San Diego. You can bet the Packers will be favoring the passing game heavily this weekend playing against the Vikings defense, and a good chance it continues the next week vs. Chicago. And honestly, I can't imagine why the team would return to the running game even when they are not facing stout defenses. The passing game has been successful, the running game miserable.Note: McCarthy is willing to try to run the ball near the goal-line and thus Brandon Jackson got his first TD last weekend, but even when Green Bay was inside the opponent's five yard line last weekend, they threw the ball a lot. Perhaps Verand Morency is the answer, but I am skeptical.In FF, I wouldn't be playing any of the Packer RBs on a regular basis, and currently none of them is the primary ball carrier. This is RBBC in an offense that isn't running the ball much.D. Wynn did peal off a long TD run versus the Giants and this greatly inflates G.B. meager rushing stats. It is worth noting that the Giants were out of the game at that point and didn't offer much pursuit or resistance in Wynn's journey to the end zone.
smackdaddies
Footballguy
what he said. And just where are all those Brandon Jackson supporters now? You know, all those pimping him before he imploded.Morency better be the guy, because there is no one else
Restricted
Footballguy
The picture shouldn't be clearer after this week against Minn.
hauser42
Footballguy
There is no stud RB right now in the backfield, but the main issue has been the blocking of the line. Too many times there is no room for the RB to get past the line. At times the defensive line is in the back field waiting for the RB when he gets the ball from Brett.
McCarthy has done a great job of playcalling this year in letting the short passing game take over for the lack of a running game and let the Packers hold onto the ball.
McCarthy has done a great job of playcalling this year in letting the short passing game take over for the lack of a running game and let the Packers hold onto the ball.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
I still think Jackson will be a legitimate NFL RB. But I don't know that anyone smart thought that a guy who came out early without a ton of college carries was going to be a superstar in his first 3 games. Feel free to drop him though.
mr. furley
Footballguy
McCarthy and the staff remain high on Brandon Jackson. they think he just needs more time.
i dunno why people love Morency so much. guy couldn't get off the bench in Houston and can barely play w/o getting hurt.
Nigel Tufnel
Footballguy
I can't figure out if I should be trading Brandon Jackson while his name is still occasionally associated with the phrase "starting running back" or not.
Last edited by a moderator:
Man in the yellow hat
Footballguy
Because he's the most talented back on the roster, including Jackson.IF Morency gets healthy, he will improve the running game.Bottom line for me though is the game plan. They weren't going to run on San Diego so they game planned the pass. Same thing will happen this week. If the Bear defense continues with the injuries, that might be the week Green Bay looks to pound the run.
TheBradyBunch
Footballguy
I was shocked to see Ryan Grant get the first carry last weekend. Where did that come from??
In terms of dynasty, I don't think next years Packers starting rb is on the roster. JMHO.
In terms of dynasty, I don't think next years Packers starting rb is on the roster. JMHO.
None of them are getting enough carries to get in a rythm or to determine who is doing the best job. Frankly I think they've got it reversed, Wynn should probably be the 1st and 2nd down back with Morency or Jackson as the third down back. Apparently Wynn is the best at picking up the blitz so he draws third down duties.
Man in the yellow hat
Footballguy
Hard to say. If Green Bay continues to win games, their pick will be low enough that they likely won't be able to draft a true impact runner.So, who are the FAs? Thompson is notoriously stingy with their picks.And frankly, I think Thompson does indeed like his stable of backs. Keep in mind all three of the guys mentioned in this thread are extremely young. If Morency can get back and steady the running game for this season, I think they're shaping up pretty well long term.TheBradyBunch said:
packersfan
Footballguy
Neither do I. It's a pretty sad situation without a doubt.Morency practiced today and could play on Sunday for those interested.TheBradyBunch said:
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Because impact runners are only gotten in the top half of the first round?
switz
Footballguy
Got a quote to support statement one? If that really was the case, then why aren't they giving him the majority of carries to help him learn? No, their actions show they don't think he can be the guy. It's pretty evident.As for VM. The only knock on him is what you highlighted. He has a baseball players' body, not a football players' body. However, he's shown more as a runner in the GB offense than anyone else currently on the roster (not named Brett Favre LOL) so there is legitimate reasoning to think he will be the guy when healthy.mr. furley said:McCarthy and the staff remain high on Brandon Jackson. they think he just needs more time.
Eagle Eye
Footballguy
So no set back or soreness from yesterday's work?
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Jackson did get 32 carries and 40 total touches in the first two games. He only got 6 carries this past Sunday, but GB only ran the ball 13 times the entire game. So, I think it is clear that they are giving him a chance.McCarthy and the staff remain high on Brandon Jackson. they think he just needs more time.
Got a quote to support statement one? If that really was the case, then why aren't they giving him the majority of carries to help him learn? No, their actions show they don't think he can be the guy. It's pretty evident.
switz
Footballguy
We don't know yet. I am wondering who will be benched of the four if Mo is healthy enough to play... think they hold him out one more game even if he's healthy?
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Maybe, maybe VM is the answer. But like others, I doubt it. GB's running game has been an unpredictable mess for the past few years - rivaling only Houston, because they've been trading the same RB's back in forth. Changes week to week. I want no part of it. That being said, if someone can take the job there might be a nugget of gold, as GB is an improved team and won't be playing from behind much like years past. Real gold or fool's? We'll find out.
switz
Footballguy
I don't know... seems to me they were very eager to see what they had in Grant this past game. Why do that if they just want BJ to learn the ropes more. Maybe I'm pessimistic, but I think the kid isn't an NFL talent.Jackson did get 32 carries and 40 total touches in the first two games. He only got 6 carries this past Sunday, but GB only ran the ball 13 times the entire game. So, I think it is clear that they are giving him a chance.McCarthy and the staff remain high on Brandon Jackson. they think he just needs more time.
Got a quote to support statement one? If that really was the case, then why aren't they giving him the majority of carries to help him learn? No, their actions show they don't think he can be the guy. It's pretty evident.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Umm...he has been getting the majority of the carries.6 of the 13 this past week...including the 2 carries at the goalline to ice the game.I don't know... seems to me they were very eager to see what they had in Grant this past game. Why do that if they just want BJ to learn the ropes more. Maybe I'm pessimistic, but I think the kid isn't an NFL talent.Jackson did get 32 carries and 40 total touches in the first two games. He only got 6 carries this past Sunday, but GB only ran the ball 13 times the entire game. So, I think it is clear that they are giving him a chance.McCarthy and the staff remain high on Brandon Jackson. they think he just needs more time.
Got a quote to support statement one? If that really was the case, then why aren't they giving him the majority of carries to help him learn? No, their actions show they don't think he can be the guy. It's pretty evident.
Grant had all of 3 carries.
Eagle Eye
Footballguy
fOOTBALLDIEHARDS UPDATE:
Meanwhile, on a more positive note. ... Running back Vernand Morency, who hasn't played this season because of a knee injury, practiced for the second consecutive day and Pelissero reports he appeared to be moving fine.
The fact he made it through a second-straight practice makes it very likely he will see his first game action of the season Sunday against the Vikings. As Milwaukee Journal Sentinel staffer Greg A. Bedard noted, McCarthy has maintained that Morency needed to practice on consecutive days to prove he was recovered from the knee injury he sustained on the first day of training camp.
Meanwhile, on a more positive note. ... Running back Vernand Morency, who hasn't played this season because of a knee injury, practiced for the second consecutive day and Pelissero reports he appeared to be moving fine.
The fact he made it through a second-straight practice makes it very likely he will see his first game action of the season Sunday against the Vikings. As Milwaukee Journal Sentinel staffer Greg A. Bedard noted, McCarthy has maintained that Morency needed to practice on consecutive days to prove he was recovered from the knee injury he sustained on the first day of training camp.
switz
Footballguy
Last time I checked 6 is less than half of 13. He has 32 of 59 total rushes, barely over half. Not a clear majority. If they want him to learn he should be getting 60-70% of the rushes. I don't think he's on the field 60-70% of plays.Umm...he has been getting the majority of the carries.6 of the 13 this past week...including the 2 carries at the goalline to ice the game.I don't know... seems to me they were very eager to see what they had in Grant this past game. Why do that if they just want BJ to learn the ropes more. Maybe I'm pessimistic, but I think the kid isn't an NFL talent.Jackson did get 32 carries and 40 total touches in the first two games. He only got 6 carries this past Sunday, but GB only ran the ball 13 times the entire game. So, I think it is clear that they are giving him a chance.McCarthy and the staff remain high on Brandon Jackson. they think he just needs more time.
Got a quote to support statement one? If that really was the case, then why aren't they giving him the majority of carries to help him learn? No, their actions show they don't think he can be the guy. It's pretty evident.
Grant had all of 3 carries.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Last time I checked 2 of those carries were by Favre...one being on a kneel down.He is getting more carries (by far) than any other back).Last time I checked 6 is less than half of 13. He has 32 of 59 total rushes, barely over half. Not a clear majority. If they want him to learn he should be getting 60-70% of the rushes. I don't think he's on the field 60-70% of plays.Umm...he has been getting the majority of the carries.6 of the 13 this past week...including the 2 carries at the goalline to ice the game.I don't know... seems to me they were very eager to see what they had in Grant this past game. Why do that if they just want BJ to learn the ropes more. Maybe I'm pessimistic, but I think the kid isn't an NFL talent.Jackson did get 32 carries and 40 total touches in the first two games. He only got 6 carries this past Sunday, but GB only ran the ball 13 times the entire game. So, I think it is clear that they are giving him a chance.McCarthy and the staff remain high on Brandon Jackson. they think he just needs more time.
Got a quote to support statement one? If that really was the case, then why aren't they giving him the majority of carries to help him learn? No, their actions show they don't think he can be the guy. It's pretty evident.
Grant had all of 3 carries.
The_Man
Footballguy
I'm starting to think that Morency might be a very good player to have down the stretch. Green Bay's defense is legit. Their schedule is pretty easy. Good D + weak schedule = protecting late-game leads, which means a lot of carries for whomever is the #1 RB. Jackson had a chance to cement that # 1 job and didn't do it. Got to think Morency is going to get his chance next.
pack66
Footballguy
I picked up Morency this week. The JSonline blog mentioned he had a "spring in his step" after practice....I don't think he does much this week with Minnesota. He's a flyer and will sit on the bench until he shows enough worth to trade. Considering the only other WW flyer RB this week is Kenny Watson, I'd take a shot on Morency.
switz
Footballguy
True, but is that more about how bad Grant and Wynn are? Or the Pack's belief in Jackson's ability? More the former than the latter IMO. They keep putting other backs in because Jackson just isn't cutting it. I'm kinda done arguing, bottom line, Jackson owners are going to continue to look for excuses for him. For the rest of the world, it's pretty clear the Pack isn't happy with any of their healthy running backs.
packersfan
Footballguy
Neither are some Packer fans.
daveandken
Footballguy
Some?
mchmura89
Footballguy
From Rotoworld:
Brandon Jackson (undisclosed) unexpectedly sat out Packers practice Thursday.
Jackson hasn't been on the injury report since he bounced back from a concussion suffered late in training camp. But he, too, watched today's jog-through idly -- albeit in pads -- and then exited out a side door about 20 minutes into practice.
http://www.packersnews.com/includes/newspa...der/index.shtml
Brandon Jackson (undisclosed) unexpectedly sat out Packers practice Thursday.
Jackson hasn't been on the injury report since he bounced back from a concussion suffered late in training camp. But he, too, watched today's jog-through idly -- albeit in pads -- and then exited out a side door about 20 minutes into practice.
http://www.packersnews.com/includes/newspa...der/index.shtml
Last edited by a moderator:
hellz_fireflies
Footballguy
GB runs
OK really, GB knows they can't run against 80% of the teams they play, why you think Farve is getting FF points galore?
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
I don't know... seems to me they were very eager to see what they had in Grant this past game. Why do that if they just want BJ to learn the ropes more. Maybe I'm pessimistic, but I think the kid isn't an NFL talent.Jackson did get 32 carries and 40 total touches in the first two games. He only got 6 carries this past Sunday, but GB only ran the ball 13 times the entire game. So, I think it is clear that they are giving him a chance.McCarthy and the staff remain high on Brandon Jackson. they think he just needs more time.
Got a quote to support statement one? If that really was the case, then why aren't they giving him the majority of carries to help him learn? No, their actions show they don't think he can be the guy. It's pretty evident.
Maybe?
mr. furley
Footballguy
Nah, i'm pretty much just making stuff up as i go along. if McCarthy is to be believed they are passing the ball a lot because it's working and Favre is hot. their line isn't run blocking worth a #### so he's not going to force it.Got a quote to support statement one? If that really was the case, then why aren't they giving him the majority of carries to help him learn? No, their actions show they don't think he can be the guy. It's pretty evident.mr. furley said:McCarthy and the staff remain high on Brandon Jackson. they think he just needs more time.i dunno why people love Morency so much. guy couldn't get off the bench in Houston and can barely play w/o getting hurt.
(i'm searching but can't find the quote. i THINK it came up in a chat transcript with Pete Dougherty. i could be wrong. trying to find it.)
i hope you're right and that he comes back playing like his hair is on fire. just saw this:"Thursday, September 27, 2007
Morency in for Jackson?
Depending on the severity of Brandon Jackson's strained shin, the coaching staff may not have to make a difficult decision to clear a game-day roster spot for Vernand Morency.
Jackson suffered the injury Sunday against San Diego, and it flared up in practice Wednesday, coach Mike McCarthy said this afternoon. The rookie was on the field at the start of practice today but left for rehab about 20 minutes into the workout.
Meanwhile, Morency had a better Thursday workout than in recent weeks, McCarthy said, adding he is hopeful the back will make his season debut Sunday at Minnesota. Morency missed the entire preseason and the first three regular-season games with a strained knee.
"He looked good two days in a row," McCarthy said. "I think he’s put together back-to-back practices where in the past he’s been frustrated the day after of a hard practice because of the way he feels."
McCarthy said he wasn't sure whether Jackson would practice Friday. Morency was limited today but is expected to practice in full Friday.
If Jackson is healthy, the Packers could deactivate Ryan Grant or DeShawn Wynn to open a role for Morency.
* Though Jason Spitz "looks like he's back to full" after battling a calf strain, Junius Coston remains the starting right guard, McCarthy said.
-- Tom Pelissero, tpelisse@greenbaypressgazette.com
Illegal Pants Downfield
Footballguy
Isn't a shin a bone? Can you strain a bone? What is a horse shoe? What does a horse shoe do? Are there any horse socks? Is anybody listening to me?mr. furley said:
Man in the yellow hat
Footballguy
Depends on the year. I don't know how next year's draft class is shaping up. Clearly this year there weren't any backs worthy of Green Bay's first rounder, and they took a talented one in the second. We'll see how that works.
Doug B
Footballguy
What's weird about it all to me is that I had thought Wynn did enough in Week 2 to deserve being appointed the clear starter -- even if the coaches weren't willing to shout it from the rooftops. Apparently, the Packers' coaches didn't agree ... so they trotted Grant out there
And then, didn't Wynn burn a timeout last week to pull himself out of the game? McCarthy had to be lovin' that.
And then, didn't Wynn burn a timeout last week to pull himself out of the game? McCarthy had to be lovin' that.
switz
Footballguy
Sarlakticacid
Footballguy
Despite the fact that it could be any or all available backs in there against the Vikings. What are the thoughts about GB running the clock if they are up by a decent score towards the end of the game.
At a quick glance it seems the GB games have been pretty close heading into the 4th quarter so far. On Minnys side of the ball there games appear to be a lower scoring but still very close all the way thru
Whats the potential for a blowout in GBs favour here having them possibly running predominently at the end of the game?
At a quick glance it seems the GB games have been pretty close heading into the 4th quarter so far. On Minnys side of the ball there games appear to be a lower scoring but still very close all the way thru
Whats the potential for a blowout in GBs favour here having them possibly running predominently at the end of the game?
Fla\/\/ed
Footballguy
Might just be coach talk:
New RB in Green Bay?
Packers RB coach Edgar Bennett said RB Ryan Grant, acquired recently from NYG for a 6th-rounder, reminds him of another ex-Packers great. "Dorsey Levens," Bennett said. "The only thing is that Dorsey was fuller in his pads; he was a bigger guy. He was about 230. Ryan is about 220, 218. But as far as style, you see it. I like his running style. He's a slasher, he has good body lean, he has power and he has burst." The Journal Sentinel adds: "This week he is receiving some repetitions with the No. 1 offense and it wouldn't be surprising to see him move ahead of [brandon] Jackson or [DeShawn] Wynn on the depth chart as the season goes along." We don't know what to make of this sudden Grant rant, but we do know one thing: The Packers are looking for someone, anyone, to give them a spark on the ground. They didn't get one from Brandon Jackson last week.
Posted on Sep 14, 2007 - 6:00 PM
New RB in Green Bay?
Packers RB coach Edgar Bennett said RB Ryan Grant, acquired recently from NYG for a 6th-rounder, reminds him of another ex-Packers great. "Dorsey Levens," Bennett said. "The only thing is that Dorsey was fuller in his pads; he was a bigger guy. He was about 230. Ryan is about 220, 218. But as far as style, you see it. I like his running style. He's a slasher, he has good body lean, he has power and he has burst." The Journal Sentinel adds: "This week he is receiving some repetitions with the No. 1 offense and it wouldn't be surprising to see him move ahead of [brandon] Jackson or [DeShawn] Wynn on the depth chart as the season goes along." We don't know what to make of this sudden Grant rant, but we do know one thing: The Packers are looking for someone, anyone, to give them a spark on the ground. They didn't get one from Brandon Jackson last week.
Posted on Sep 14, 2007 - 6:00 PM
M & M
Footballguy
I was thinking this exact same thing while reading this post. No link saved, but I thought that Green Bay was one of several teams interested in acquiring Turner in the off season. Makes sense if they can't get a running game going with the backs on the roster that they would look to bring him in when they won't have to give up any draft picks to get him.Also remember reading that Wynn turned an ankle or something in early in the 3rd quarter of the game Sunday. This may account for his lack of touches later in the game.
mr. furley
Footballguy
can we stop speculating that GB will acquire Michael Turner, please?
thanks.
thanks.
'Nuff said
Take it to the FFA!.....Can you strain a bone? ...mr. furley said:
az_prof
Footballguy
Yes, Jackson is getting carries; but what is he doing with them? Clearly he has not sealed up the starting job, despite being given every opportunity to do so, if an undrafted FA who was traded for a few weeks ago gets the start before him. Grant didn't do alot either, but he hasn't had as many chances. I like Grant down the stretch because GB traded for him and so they saw something in the preseason that they liked about him, and why trade for him at all if you like your own rookie RBs that much?
Umm...he has been getting the majority of the carries.6 of the 13 this past week...including the 2 carries at the goalline to ice the game.I don't know... seems to me they were very eager to see what they had in Grant this past game. Why do that if they just want BJ to learn the ropes more. Maybe I'm pessimistic, but I think the kid isn't an NFL talent.Jackson did get 32 carries and 40 total touches in the first two games. He only got 6 carries this past Sunday, but GB only ran the ball 13 times the entire game. So, I think it is clear that they are giving him a chance.McCarthy and the staff remain high on Brandon Jackson. they think he just needs more time.
Got a quote to support statement one? If that really was the case, then why aren't they giving him the majority of carries to help him learn? No, their actions show they don't think he can be the guy. It's pretty evident.
Grant had all of 3 carries.
deep vacuum
Footballguy
He would look just as bad behind an o-line that's isn't run blocking anyone.
