Greenline *2008 NFL MOCK DRAFT* (1 Viewer)

[greenline]

1 Miami Dolphins 0 - 11 0.562 Dorsey, Glenn, DT LSU

2 St. Louis Rams 2 - 9 0.512 Long, Jake, OT Michigan

3 New York Jets 2 - 9 0.529 McFadden, Darren, RB Arkansas

4 Oakland Raiders 3 - 8 0.438 Long, Chris, DE Virginia

5 New England Patriots (via San Fran) 0.479 Laurinaitis, James, ILB Ohio State

6 Atlanta Falcons 3 - 8 0.521 Brohm, Brian, QB Louisville

7 Baltimore Ravens 4 - 7 0.438 Sedrick Ellis, DT USC

8 Carolina Panthers 4 - 7 0.496 Andre Woodson, QB Kentucky

9 Cincinnati Bengals 4 - 7 0.521 Malcolm Jenkins, CB Ohio State

10 Kansas City Chiefs 4 - 7 0.521 Sam Baker, OT USC

11 Arizona Cardinals 5 - 6 0.438 Campbell, Calais, DE Miami

12 Houston Texans 5 - 6 0.455 Stewart, Jonathan, RB Oregon

13 New Orleans Saints 5 - 6 0.479 Kenny Phillips, S Miami

14 Buffalo Bills 5 - 6 0.537 DeSean Jackson, WR California

15 Philadelphia Eagles 5 - 6 0.545 Groves, Quentin, DE Auburn

16 Chicago Bears 5 - 6 0.554 Matt Ryan, QB Boston College

17 Washington Redskins 5 - 6 0.562 Henderson, Erin, OLB Maryland

18 Minnesota Vikings 5 - 6 0.57 Talib, Aqib, CB Kansas

19 Denver Broncos 5 - 6 0.579 Derrick Harvey, DE Florida

20 Tennessee Titans 6 - 5 0.504 Dan Connor, OLB Penn State

21 Detroit Lions 6 - 5 0.512 Reggie Smith, CB Oklahoma

22 San Diego Chargers 6 - 5 0.57 Malcolm Kelly, WR Oklahoma

23 Seattle Seahawks 7 - 4 0.421 Slaton, Steve, RB West Virginia

24 Dallas Cowboys 10 - 1 0.446 Limas Sweed, WR Texas

25 New York Giants 7 - 4 0.488 Frank Okam, DT Texas

26 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 7 - 4 0.496 Ryan Clady, OT Boise State

27 Pittsburgh Steelers 8 - 3 0.405 Gholston, Vernon, DE Ohio State

28 Jacksonville Jaguars 8 - 3 0.504 Adarious Bowman, WR Oklahoma State

29 San Francisco 49ers 3 - 8 0.455 Early Doucet, WR LSU

30 Dallas Cowboys 10 - 1 0.446 Antoine Cason, CB Arizona

31 Green Bay Packers 10 - 1 0.471 Gosder Cherilus, OT Boston College

 

[renesauz]

Philly isn't likely to go DE in round one...bigger needs and they have a couple of young promising DE's now. They'll get one in 3 or 4 for depth though as Kearse is probably done.

 

[bigcorn]

be suprised if the bengals went CB in the 1st, three years in a row. i'm thinking LB, DE, or DT

 

[bcat01]

Bengals will go DT, DE or LB.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Likely to be a DT, LB or DE for the Bengals

 

[Lash]

Titans will go WR

VY to Sweed part deux

or Doucet

 

[Kiddnets]

New York Jets 2 - 9 0.529 McFadden, Darren, RB Arkansas

Love this pick - JEts need playmakers!

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

bolts just got chambers, no way they go WR in round 1 again

 

[Gamma1210]

Lots of differences in yours and Andy's. I'm not researched up on all the college players yet but I don't think Philly goes DE in round 1 either.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Likely to be a DT, LB or DE for the Bengals

Agree. Bengals trade up to Patriots spot so they get an ILB and the Pats get a CB and a 3rd rounder.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Lots of differences in yours and Andy's. I'm not researched up on all the college players yet but I don't think Philly goes DE in round 1 either.

Reid loves to take the big guys early, and Kearse is gone after this year. So it's possible. That being said, I think they'll take Phillips if he's available, and a CB if he's not.

 

[posty]

With Slaton having a terrible season, part of me thinks he won't go pro after this season...

 

[Tremendous Upside]

With Slaton having a terrible season, part of me thinks he won't go pro after this season...

The problem is that with Devine there and showing how explosive he is, there is a real possibility that Slaton's #s wouldn't improve if he came back next year...I think his best bet is to some out while he is just one year removed from all the hype, instead of two years removed...

 

[pantherclub]

love the panthers pick

 

[greenline]

1 Miami Dolphins 0 - 12 0.542 Glenn Dorsey - DT

2 New England Patriots 12 - 0 0.472 Darren McFadden - RB

3 New York Jets 3 - 9 0.486 Chris Long - DE

4 St. Louis Rams 3 - 9 0.493 Jake Long - OT

5 Atlanta Falcons 3 - 9 0.507 Brian Brohm - QB

6 Oakland Raiders 4 - 8 0.424 Sedrick Ellis, DT

7 Baltimore Ravens 4 - 8 0.493 Matt Ryan, QB

8 Kansas City Chiefs 4 - 8 0.521 Sam Baker, OT

9 Cincinnati Bengals 4 - 8 0.549 Calais Campbell, DE

10 Houston Texans 5 - 7 0.465 Ryan Clady, OT

11 Carolina Panthers 5 - 7 0.472 James Laurinaitis, MLB

12 New Orleans Saints 5 - 7 0.507 Malcolm Jenkins, CB

13 Philadelphia Eagles 5 - 7 0.549 DeSean Jackson, WR

14 Washington Redskins 5 - 7 0.556 Malcolm Kelly, WR

15 Chicago Bears 5 - 7 0.556 Andre' Woodson, QB

16 Denver Broncos 5 - 7 0.556 Dan Connor, OLB

17 Arizona Cardinals 6 - 6 0.451 Derrick Harvey, DE

18 Detroit Lions 6 - 6 0.507 Kenny Phillips, S

19 Buffalo Bills 6 - 6 0.528 Keith Rivers, OLB

20 Minnesota Vikings 6 - 6 0.549 Antoine Cason, CB

21 Dallas Cowboys 11 - 1 0.493 Early Doucet, WR

22 Tennessee Titans 7 - 5 0.486 Rey Maualuga, ILB

23 San Diego Chargers 7 - 5 0.535 Mike Jenkins, CB

24 Seattle Seahawks 8 - 4 0.424 Jonathan Stewart, RB

25 New York Giants 8 - 4 0.472 Limas Sweed, WR

26 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 8 - 4 0.493 Vernon Gholston, DE

27 Jacksonville Jaguars 8 - 4 0.535 Quentin Groves, DE

28 Pittsburgh Steelers 9 - 3 0.396 Gosder Cherilus, OT

29 Green Bay Packers 10 - 2 0.507 Frank Okam, NT

30 San Francisco 49ers 3 - 9 0.472 Reggie Smith, CB

31 Dallas Cowboys 11 - 1 0.493 Steve Slaton, RB

 

[QuizGuy66]

The Patriots getting McFadden would just be so wrong.

More appropriate Bengals pick My gut says DT and if there isn't one there actually trade back to get one. LB is also clearly a cryin' need they certainly won't wait on Odell.

-QG

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Really good, but I think Maualuga has already said he's staying in school and Calais Campbell had a very poor year and will probably do the same.

And the Vikings pass defense won't be fixed by drafting another CB. Griffin is playing better and McCauley has performed well as a rookie.

 

[greenline]

The Patriots getting McFadden would just be so wrong.More appropriate Bengals pick My gut says DT and if there isn't one there actually trade back to get one. LB is also clearly a cryin' need they certainly won't wait on Odell.-QG

I hear you. I think DT is a pressing need for the Bengals but after Ellis there is perceived to be a bit of a drop. I like Frank Okam pertsonally but I don't know if they would take him at #9. I guess the Phins took a punt returner at #9 last year, so it wouldn't be too much of a stretch.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I guess the Phins took a punt returner at #9 last year, so it wouldn't be too much of a stretch.

HULK GET MAD! HULK SMASH!Ginn is the real deal. He's much more than a punt returner.

 

[greenline]

Really good, but I think Maualuga has already said he's staying in school and Calais Campbell had a very poor year and will probably do the same.And the Vikings pass defense won't be fixed by drafting another CB. Griffin is playing better and McCauley has performed well as a rookie.

Ok. Thanks for the note on those two guys. I can't wait for everyone to declare. Minnesota is a team, I have trouble projecting. I suppose a WR there but it seems like that pass defense needs something, somewhere.

 

[greenline]

I guess the Phins took a punt returner at #9 last year, so it wouldn't be too much of a stretch.

HULK GET MAD! HULK SMASH!Ginn is the real deal. He's much more than a punt returner.

I know, I'm just kidding. I just remember all the Dolphin fans being so mad.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Really good, but I think Maualuga has already said he's staying in school and Calais Campbell had a very poor year and will probably do the same.And the Vikings pass defense won't be fixed by drafting another CB. Griffin is playing better and McCauley has performed well as a rookie.

Ok. Thanks for the note on those two guys. I can't wait for everyone to declare. Minnesota is a team, I have trouble projecting. I suppose a WR there but it seems like that pass defense needs something, somewhere.

A safety. I think Reggie Smith could easily move to that position.But really, it's the scheme. It is a bend/don't break style and they're simply going to give up yards through the air.

 

[Weapon of Mass Instruction]

Titans will go WRVY to Sweed part deuxor Doucet

I agree. If they DID go LB it would be a MLB, anyway.WR, DT, DE

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

McFadden to the Pats makes no sense.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

McFadden to the Pats makes no sense.

Yeah. It really does.

 

[Weapon of Mass Instruction]

McFadden to the Pats makes no sense.

Yeah. It really does.

I completely agree. Although, I bet they DO try to trade down if they can find a partner.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

McFadden to the Pats makes no sense.

Yeah. It really does.

Im trying to figure out why, help me out here andy

 

[Weapon of Mass Instruction]

McFadden to the Pats makes no sense.

Yeah. It really does.

Im trying to figure out why, help me out here andy

Maroney's a gimp.Pats currently dominate the passing game. Imagine if they could dominate on the ground, too.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

McFadden to the Pats makes no sense.

Yeah. It really does.

Im trying to figure out why, help me out here andy

Because McFadden is really good and Maroney is really brittle. They're not going to win the Super Bowl because they can't run the ball.Plus, I have a hard time seeing someone trading up to that spot.

 

[David Yudkin]

McFadden to the Pats makes no sense.

Yeah. It really does.

Im trying to figure out why, help me out here andy

Maroney's a gimp.Pats currently dominate the passing game. Imagine if they could dominate on the ground, too.

Then get a line that can run block. The Pats rushing totals over the years have been average or below average. I'm not sure you can pin that on the RBs.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

McFadden to the Pats makes no sense.

Yeah. It really does.

Im trying to figure out why, help me out here andy

Maroney's a gimp.Pats currently dominate the passing game. Imagine if they could dominate on the ground, too.

he looked decent enough to me last nite, and while Im sure Sammy Mo isnt anywhere near the talent that Mcfadden is, he did pretty well. I think Maroney might have been in the doghouse or something, but they seem to be using him more lately.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

McFadden to the Pats makes no sense.

Yeah. It really does.

Im trying to figure out why, help me out here andy

Because McFadden is really good and Maroney is really brittle. They're not going to win the Super Bowl because they can't run the ball.Plus, I have a hard time seeing someone trading up to that spot.

good enough. Just doesnt seem like a Pats pick to me. there might not be a LB worth the pick but they need some help there, or saftey I think. The D scheme is great but I dont think that those players are a superbowl calibre D

 

[Andy Dufresne]

McFadden to the Pats makes no sense.

Yeah. It really does.

Im trying to figure out why, help me out here andy

Maroney's a gimp.Pats currently dominate the passing game. Imagine if they could dominate on the ground, too.

Then get a line that can run block. The Pats rushing totals over the years have been average or below average. I'm not sure you can pin that on the RBs.

I think you can. Dillon ran like he was underwater and aside from the first couple weeks of his rookie year, Maroney has looked like a bum. They need someone like McFadden who can hit the holes with authority.I think Maroney's name should be Fred Astaire for how much he dances in the backfield.

 

[greenline]

McFadden to the Pats makes no sense.

Yeah. It really does.

Im trying to figure out why, help me out here andy

Maroney's a gimp.Pats currently dominate the passing game. Imagine if they could dominate on the ground, too.

Then get a line that can run block. The Pats rushing totals over the years have been average or below average. I'm not sure you can pin that on the RBs.

What? In 2004 Dillon ran for 1600 yds. Weren't you just talking about them being 8th in total rushing yards and now your are saying "get a line that can run block?" I think this offensive line is excellent and if Sammy Morris was still on the field I think you would see a lot higher rushing output.

 

[Buckna]

Texans O'line is 10th in the league in terms of fewest sacks given up this year. Amazing what it can do when you switch out Carr from under center.

Jenkins or Phillips would be their mostly likely pick, they need secondary help in the worst way. A corner opposite a healthy Duanta Robinson (knock wood) and a free safety are badly needed.

Jonathan Stewart's a possibility, but Kubiak's Denver heritage doesn't suggest he'll spend a top pick on a RB. I think they bring in a FA RB if they cut bait on Ahman Green. A Julius Jones or Michael Turner would fit the offensive scheme.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Texans O'line is 10th in the league in terms of fewest sacks given up this year. Amazing what it can do when you switch out Carr from under center.Jenkins or Phillips would be their mostly likely pick, they need secondary help in the worst way. A corner opposite a healthy Duanta Robinson (knock wood) and a free safety are badly needed.Jonathan Stewart's a possibility, but Kubiak's Denver heritage doesn't suggest he'll spend a top pick on a RB. I think they bring in a FA RB if they cut bait on Ahman Green. A Julius Jones or Michael Turner would fit the offensive scheme.

Glad you said that. I was just thinking the other day about Julius Jones to the Texans in the offseason.

 

[Whiplash Inc.]

This really seems to be the year for the Raiders to get a young stud D-lineman with a high pick.

 

[David Yudkin]

McFadden to the Pats makes no sense.

Yeah. It really does.

Im trying to figure out why, help me out here andy

Maroney's a gimp.Pats currently dominate the passing game. Imagine if they could dominate on the ground, too.

Then get a line that can run block. The Pats rushing totals over the years have been average or below average. I'm not sure you can pin that on the RBs.

What? In 2004 Dillon ran for 1600 yds. Weren't you just talking about them being 8th in total rushing yards and now your are saying "get a line that can run block?" I think this offensive line is excellent and if Sammy Morris was still on the field I think you would see a lot higher rushing output.

Their rushing totals have been built on quantity not quality. I was pointing out that they had run the ball much more earlier in the year.Team ranking in attempts and ypc . . .00, 18, 2801, 8, 2402, 28, 2703, 12, 30 04, 5, 1805, 18, 3006, 6, 1807, 8, 12In the BB era, the Pats have an average ranking of 23.3 in yards per carry.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Their rushing totals have been built on quantity not quality. I was pointing out that they had run the ball much more earlier in the year.Team ranking in attempts and ypc . . .00, 18, 2801, 8, 2402, 28, 2703, 12, 30 04, 5, 1805, 18, 3006, 6, 1807, 8, 12In the BB era, the Pats have an average ranking of 23.3 in yards per carry.

So they wouldn't take McFadden because....

 

[Mr. Peterson]

This really seems to be the year for the Raiders to get a young stud D-lineman with a high pick.

I liked it much better when you had the Bills getting DeSean Jackson.I'm not sure I would be too happy with Keith Rivers. I think Poz comes back in the middle and Crowell is also a definite starter. But I guess we could just move Crowell to the strong side cause I think Rivers is much better suited for the weak. Good job thought

 

[Pip's Invitation]

13 Philadelphia Eagles 5 - 7 0.549 DeSean Jackson, WR

While I would love this, and most Iggles fans would love it, and it makes sense on paper, it won't happen. Reid simply does not see the WR position as a "core" position for building a team, and the Freddie Mitchell pick cemented this in his mind. DE, S, or CB are more likely.

 

[David Yudkin]

Their rushing totals have been built on quantity not quality. I was pointing out that they had run the ball much more earlier in the year.Team ranking in attempts and ypc . . .00, 18, 2801, 8, 2402, 28, 2703, 12, 30 04, 5, 1805, 18, 3006, 6, 1807, 8, 12In the BB era, the Pats have an average ranking of 23.3 in yards per carry.

So they wouldn't take McFadden because....

They won't want to pay him $50 million.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Their rushing totals have been built on quantity not quality. I was pointing out that they had run the ball much more earlier in the year.Team ranking in attempts and ypc . . .00, 18, 2801, 8, 2402, 28, 2703, 12, 30 04, 5, 1805, 18, 3006, 6, 1807, 8, 12In the BB era, the Pats have an average ranking of 23.3 in yards per carry.

So they wouldn't take McFadden because....

They won't want to pay him $50 million.

Your stats seem to imply finding a better runningback would be a good thing.I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[David Yudkin]

Their rushing totals have been built on quantity not quality. I was pointing out that they had run the ball much more earlier in the year.Team ranking in attempts and ypc . . .00, 18, 2801, 8, 2402, 28, 2703, 12, 30 04, 5, 1805, 18, 3006, 6, 1807, 8, 12In the BB era, the Pats have an average ranking of 23.3 in yards per carry.

So they wouldn't take McFadden because....

They won't want to pay him $50 million.

Your stats seem to imply finding a better runningback would be a good thing.I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

The Pats are clearly a passing team right now and recently invested in a first round RB pick. Maybe they take one again, but I doubt it.

 

[JFT Ben]

29 Green Bay Packers 10 - 2 0.507 Frank Okam, NT

I don't see the Packers taking another first round DT. I think it depends on generally which juniors will declare and perhaps slip to them. Maybe an OT like Loadholt, or OT/OG like Michael Oher, a CB like Flowers or Ikeguano, or a RB like Menenhall.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Their rushing totals have been built on quantity not quality. I was pointing out that they had run the ball much more earlier in the year.

Team ranking in attempts and ypc . . .

00, 18, 28

01, 8, 24

02, 28, 27

03, 12, 30

04, 5, 18

05, 18, 30

06, 6, 18

07, 8, 12

In the BB era, the Pats have an average ranking of 23.3 in yards per carry.

So they wouldn't take McFadden because.... :whoosh:

They won't want to pay him $50 million.

Your stats seem to imply finding a better runningback would be a good thing.I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

The Pats are clearly a passing team right now and recently invested in a first round RB pick. Maybe they take one again, but I doubt it.

They're clearly a passing team because they can't run the ball. They can't run the ball because they don't have anyone capable. They invested a first rounder in a guy that hasn't produced. The Patriots aren't the first team to have that happen. I just think they're smart enough to cut bait when the guy isn't panning out, especially when they're in position to pick someone that's clearly (to most) an upgrade.

What makes this harder is that they are so good everywhere that there is no obvious position of need. I know I'm being dogmatic about this, hopefully it's not coming across as toolish. I'm enjoying the debate David!

 

[David Yudkin]

Their rushing totals have been built on quantity not quality. I was pointing out that they had run the ball much more earlier in the year.

Team ranking in attempts and ypc . . .

00, 18, 28

01, 8, 24

02, 28, 27

03, 12, 30

04, 5, 18

05, 18, 30

06, 6, 18

07, 8, 12

In the BB era, the Pats have an average ranking of 23.3 in yards per carry.

So they wouldn't take McFadden because.... :whoosh:

They won't want to pay him $50 million.

Your stats seem to imply finding a better runningback would be a good thing.I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

The Pats are clearly a passing team right now and recently invested in a first round RB pick. Maybe they take one again, but I doubt it.

They're clearly a passing team because they can't run the ball. They can't run the ball because they don't have anyone capable. They invested a first rounder in a guy that hasn't produced. The Patriots aren't the first team to have that happen. I just think they're smart enough to cut bait when the guy isn't panning out, especially when they're in position to pick someone that's clearly (to most) an upgrade.

What makes this harder is that they are so good everywhere that there is no obvious position of need. I know I'm being dogmatic about this, hopefully it's not coming across as toolish. I'm enjoying the debate David!

I've been saying for weeks that the Pats could look to make a move at RB if Maroney doesn't do much the rest of this year. He did pretty well last night in somewhat limited use (120+ total yards on 15 touches).As I mentioned in other threads, the Pats have a lot of players to sign next year, and I'm not sure an uber expensive rookie helps that situation. If I were the Pats, I'd probable want McFadden, but they do things their own way.

 

[greenline]

Their rushing totals have been built on quantity not quality. I was pointing out that they had run the ball much more earlier in the year.

Team ranking in attempts and ypc . . .

00, 18, 28

01, 8, 24

02, 28, 27

03, 12, 30

04, 5, 18

05, 18, 30

06, 6, 18

07, 8, 12

In the BB era, the Pats have an average ranking of 23.3 in yards per carry.

So they wouldn't take McFadden because....

They won't want to pay him $50 million.

Your stats seem to imply finding a better runningback would be a good thing.I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

The Pats are clearly a passing team right now and recently invested in a first round RB pick. Maybe they take one again, but I doubt it.

They're clearly a passing team because they can't run the ball. They can't run the ball because they don't have anyone capable. They invested a first rounder in a guy that hasn't produced. The Patriots aren't the first team to have that happen. I just think they're smart enough to cut bait when the guy isn't panning out, especially when they're in position to pick someone that's clearly (to most) an upgrade.

What makes this harder is that they are so good everywhere that there is no obvious position of need. I know I'm being dogmatic about this, hopefully it's not coming across as toolish. I'm enjoying the debate David!

I've been saying for weeks that the Pats could look to make a move at RB if Maroney doesn't do much the rest of this year. He did pretty well last night in somewhat limited use (120+ total yards on 15 touches).As I mentioned in other threads, the Pats have a lot of players to sign next year, and I'm not sure an uber expensive rookie helps that situation. If I were the Pats, I'd probable want McFadden, but they do things their own way.

So if NE does NOT trade down, what are you suggesting they do?

 

[Pip's Invitation]

I can see the Pats trading down for a multitude of picks, then using those on long-term needs like LB and DB.

 

[posty]

I still don't think Slaton comes out... 11 yards in a big-time game against Pitt? Has struggled a lot this season...

Yes he puts in the paperwork, but since they don't lose many on offense and defense and they have a shot at a title next year, I think he is back...