Greenline *2008 NFL MOCK DRAFT* (1 Viewer)

[Colin Dowling]

There's not enough difference between Brohm, Woodson, and Ryan to give up the picks.

I'll bet you a frosty cold beer that there are 10+ picks between QB2 and Brohm.

Deal. And there's a good chance that I'll be in Austin sometime to collect! Seriously, though. Do you think that's because of need, or dropoff in talent?

I don't think he's that good. In fact, I'd probably rank him as QB5, if not lower. I know he won't get drafted as QB5 but...

Wow. It's like I'm talking to Chaos Commish here. That's really against the grain.

I can't recall once ever watching Louisville and saying, "The QB with the Cardinal on his helmet is the best player on the field by far." That's the reaction I'm looking for when talking about people who go in the top-10 of the draft.

 

[greenline]

There's not enough difference between Brohm, Woodson, and Ryan to give up the picks.

I'll bet you a frosty cold beer that there are 10+ picks between QB2 and Brohm.

Deal. And there's a good chance that I'll be in Austin sometime to collect! Seriously, though. Do you think that's because of need, or dropoff in talent?

I don't think he's that good. In fact, I'd probably rank him as QB5, if not lower. I know he won't get drafted as QB5 but...

Wow. It's like I'm talking to Chaos Commish here. That's really against the grain.

I can't recall once ever watching Louisville and saying, "The QB with the Cardinal on his helmet is the best player on the field by far." That's the reaction I'm looking for when talking about people who go in the top-10 of the draft.

I think you feel about Brohm how I feel about Woodson. I've watched him and said "meh."

 

[Buckna]

Texans pick is spot on with your reasoning. Also, the season ending injury to Duanta Robinson is some cause for concern to make the Texans go CB as well.

One thing you mock drafters should keep an eye out for is a 4th Round rookie CB, Bennett, has been playing quite well as the #2 lately, so there is a possibility they might go another way now. I think they'll likely evalute his play over this 2nd half of the season to see if they think he can be a legit starting corner fulltime, but I don't have much faith in a 4th round rook panning out or holding the job longterm.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I can't recall once ever watching Louisville and saying, "The QB with the Cardinal on his helmet is the best player on the field by far." That's the reaction I'm looking for when talking about people who go in the top-10 of the draft.

He threw for 4024 yards with 30/12 td/int ratio.He's the Big East's all time passing leader.He was talked about as a top ten pick last year and he looked even better this year even though the team didn't. You seem to like Ryan better. I think he has more upside talentwise, but he's not the greatest decision maker - at least not as good as Brohm.

 

[saintfool]

Texans pick is spot on with your reasoning. Also, the season ending injury to Duanta Robinson is some cause for concern to make the Texans go CB as well.One thing you mock drafters should keep an eye out for is a 4th Round rookie CB, Bennett, has been playing quite well as the #2 lately, so there is a possibility they might go another way now. I think they'll likely evalute his play over this 2nd half of the season to see if they think he can be a legit starting corner fulltime, but I don't have much faith in a 4th round rook panning out or holding the job longterm.

Isn't the problem with the Texans defensive backfield the slew of injuries? I mean they might not have been any good to begin with but pointing out how poorly they played this season is a little harsh. didn't they lose something like 3 safeties to season ending injury this year by like week 3?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Texans pick is spot on with your reasoning. Also, the season ending injury to Duanta Robinson is some cause for concern to make the Texans go CB as well.

One thing you mock drafters should keep an eye out for is a 4th Round rookie CB, Bennett, has been playing quite well as the #2 lately, so there is a possibility they might go another way now. I think they'll likely evalute his play over this 2nd half of the season to see if they think he can be a legit starting corner fulltime, but I don't have much faith in a 4th round rook panning out or holding the job longterm.

Isn't the problem with the Texans defensive backfield the slew of injuries? I mean they might not have been any good to begin with but pointing out how poorly they played this season is a little harsh. didn't they lose something like 3 safeties to season ending injury this year by like week 3?

The safeties they did have were mediocre at best before injury.

 

[greenline]

So right now the biggest flaws appear to be:

my draft order may be incorrect per Colin Dowling's source which appears to be better than the one I was using

the de-value of Andre Woodson

The Panthers passing on Woodson

the Bills may lean towards corner (I think I make a fair case for a wideout)

 

[Colin Dowling]

I can't recall once ever watching Louisville and saying, "The QB with the Cardinal on his helmet is the best player on the field by far." That's the reaction I'm looking for when talking about people who go in the top-10 of the draft.

He threw for 4024 yards with 30/12 td/int ratio.He's the Big East's all time passing leader.He was talked about as a top ten pick last year and he looked even better this year even though the team didn't. You seem to like Ryan better. I think he has more upside talentwise, but he's not the greatest decision maker - at least not as good as Brohm.

I understand the numbers going on. I'm just not impressed watching him.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I can't recall once ever watching Louisville and saying, "The QB with the Cardinal on his helmet is the best player on the field by far." That's the reaction I'm looking for when talking about people who go in the top-10 of the draft.

He threw for 4024 yards with 30/12 td/int ratio.He's the Big East's all time passing leader.He was talked about as a top ten pick last year and he looked even better this year even though the team didn't. You seem to like Ryan better. I think he has more upside talentwise, but he's not the greatest decision maker - at least not as good as Brohm.

I understand the numbers going on. I'm just not impressed watching him.

We've all got the guys we like and the guys we don't. Nothing wrong with that.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

19 Buffalo Bills 7 - 6 0.491

DeSean Jackson, WR, California

Buffalo has been ravaged by injuries in 2007. However, as of Week 15, are still in position to grab a Wild Card spot. Pretty impressive. The Bills could really use another WR to free up Lee Evans. This could possibly help Evans with his inconsistency issues.

Jackson arguably is a Top 15 pick but team needs have him slipping a little and landing in upstate New York where his return skills and explosiveness can add another dimension to this young and developing Bills’ offense.

I really don't see this. I can see them adding a vet, but Rsocie Parrish and Josh Reed are filling in fine. Also, Parrish is doing having an all pro year at special teams, iirc.I think they'll go the corner route...

Just fine? They are not what the Bills need in a #2 WR. They'd be better as a #3. Jackson would be a great pick.But so would a corner.

No, the Bills run a cover-2 D where they don't need to grab a stud CB. They can get what they need in rounds 2 or 3, but not round 1.Parrish and Reed are nothing like a #2 WR. They only seem to get open cause the D is so concentrated on Evans. They are not that good. The Bills will be taking a WR or OL in the 1st round.

Some people like to think they will go DL, but I don't think so. Marv has brought in 2-3 guys already that he thinks will work and is determined to see McCargo pan out. He traded up to get him and he will give him more time to develope.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

No, the Bills run a cover-2 D where they don't need to grab a stud CB. They can get what they need in rounds 2 or 3, but not round 1.

I think it's a mistaken assumption that a Cover 2 defense can get by with average CB's. Sometimes yes, sometimes no.Just because they run a Cover 2 doesn't preclude them using a 1st rounder on a corner.

 

[greenline]

19 Buffalo Bills 7 - 6 0.491

DeSean Jackson, WR, California

Buffalo has been ravaged by injuries in 2007. However, as of Week 15, are still in position to grab a Wild Card spot. Pretty impressive. The Bills could really use another WR to free up Lee Evans. This could possibly help Evans with his inconsistency issues.

Jackson arguably is a Top 15 pick but team needs have him slipping a little and landing in upstate New York where his return skills and explosiveness can add another dimension to this young and developing Bills’ offense.

I really don't see this. I can see them adding a vet, but Rsocie Parrish and Josh Reed are filling in fine. Also, Parrish is doing having an all pro year at special teams, iirc.I think they'll go the corner route...

Just fine? They are not what the Bills need in a #2 WR. They'd be better as a #3. Jackson would be a great pick.But so would a corner.

No, the Bills run a cover-2 D where they don't need to grab a stud CB. They can get what they need in rounds 2 or 3, but not round 1.Parrish and Reed are nothing like a #2 WR. They only seem to get open cause the D is so concentrated on Evans. They are not that good. The Bills will be taking a WR or OL in the 1st round.

Some people like to think they will go DL, but I don't think so. Marv has brought in 2-3 guys already that he thinks will work and is determined to see McCargo pan out. He traded up to get him and he will give him more time to develope.

Ok few questions for you:1. Do you usually follow the Bills?

2. If so, are you comfortable with Jabari Greer? I'm a Patriots fan and saw him burned several times but my observations are only based off of two games.

3. Can you elaborate on why the Cover-2 can get away with average corners? I understand how the scheme works and the concepts but this is the first time I've ever heard someone say the Cover-2 can get away with medicore corner play. It seems to me you would have to have superior support from the rest of the scheme to negate this and additionally, the corner would have to be superior in his technique similar to the Colts. Does Buffalo have that discipline down?

This will help me decide on the Bills' pick.

 

[B Maverick]

As an owner of Rashard Mendenhall in 1 league (and having the #2 rookie pick in another) i like him going to Seattle. He caught a lot of passes at illinois and could combine the pluses of SA and Morris into 1 really bringing that team back.

As a Charger fan, interesting pick of a OLB/DE. Already solid in both areas depth isnt bad to have. IMO they need a big time MLB. The loss of Donnie Edwards probably hurt them in the first few games. Coupled with Godfrey leaving too. The two guys there have been decent but not spectacular.

With the emergence of Cromartie at CB one spot is solid. I think a CB to take over for Jammer (or resign florence) would be good and maybe a safety. Not sure if anyone on the draft board fits that.

Oline depth of course and a new backup to LT once turner leaves would be solid choices too but not having a 2nd hurts that, at least until later.

 

[Buckna]

Texans pick is spot on with your reasoning. Also, the season ending injury to Duanta Robinson is some cause for concern to make the Texans go CB as well.

One thing you mock drafters should keep an eye out for is a 4th Round rookie CB, Bennett, has been playing quite well as the #2 lately, so there is a possibility they might go another way now. I think they'll likely evalute his play over this 2nd half of the season to see if they think he can be a legit starting corner fulltime, but I don't have much faith in a 4th round rook panning out or holding the job longterm.

Isn't the problem with the Texans defensive backfield the slew of injuries? I mean they might not have been any good to begin with but pointing out how poorly they played this season is a little harsh. didn't they lose something like 3 safeties to season ending injury this year by like week 3?

The safeties they did have were mediocre at best before injury.

Injuries have certainly played a role, but the Texans didn't have a true NFL caliber Free Safety on the roster even in preseason. All the safeties we had were strong or converted/hybrid types and even they aren't very good.There has been a hole at corner 2 since we cut Aaron Glenn 2 seasons ago and traded for the waste of space that was Phillip Buchanon. They tried promoting a nickelback (Faggins) at corner for awhile, but he got benched earlier this season due to poor play. Since then, the rookie Bennett I mentioned has been playing that position.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Texans pick is spot on with your reasoning. Also, the season ending injury to Duanta Robinson is some cause for concern to make the Texans go CB as well.

One thing you mock drafters should keep an eye out for is a 4th Round rookie CB, Bennett, has been playing quite well as the #2 lately, so there is a possibility they might go another way now. I think they'll likely evalute his play over this 2nd half of the season to see if they think he can be a legit starting corner fulltime, but I don't have much faith in a 4th round rook panning out or holding the job longterm.

Isn't the problem with the Texans defensive backfield the slew of injuries? I mean they might not have been any good to begin with but pointing out how poorly they played this season is a little harsh. didn't they lose something like 3 safeties to season ending injury this year by like week 3?

The safeties they did have were mediocre at best before injury.

Injuries have certainly played a role, but the Texans didn't have a true NFL caliber Free Safety on the roster even in preseason. All the safeties we had were strong or converted/hybrid types and even they aren't very good.There has been a hole at corner 2 since we cut Aaron Glenn 2 seasons ago and traded for the waste of space that was Phillip Buchanon. They tried promoting a nickelback (Faggins) at corner for awhile, but he got benched earlier this season due to poor play. Since then, the rookie Bennett I mentioned has been playing that position.

Reggie Smith would be a great pick for them. He could fill whichever position they wanted to play him in - safety or corner.One thing of note - Asante Samuel, DeAngelo Hall*, and Marcus Trufant are going to be free agents and I would think the Texans would make a play for one of them and then draft another d-back at either corner or safety.

*I think Hall is overrated, but he's certainly an upgrade to what the Texans have.

 

[saintfool]

Reggie Smith would be a great pick for them. He could fill whichever position they wanted to play him in - safety or corner.

One thing of note - Asante Samuel, DeAngelo Hall*, and Marcus Trufant are going to be free agents and I would think the Texans would make a play for one of them and then draft another d-back at either corner or safety.

*I think Hall is overrated, but he's certainly an upgrade to what the Texans have.

I like Trufant a lot. He got picked on as a rookie and did pretty well. Then teams avoided throwing his way altogether. This year, they have gone back to picking on him and he's responded well. He's #1 in the NFC in INTs and lots of tackles.

 

[bosoxs45]

I can't recall once ever watching Louisville and saying, "The QB with the Cardinal on his helmet is the best player on the field by far." That's the reaction I'm looking for when talking about people who go in the top-10 of the draft.

He threw for 4024 yards with 30/12 td/int ratio.He's the Big East's all time passing leader.He was talked about as a top ten pick last year and he looked even better this year even though the team didn't. You seem to like Ryan better. I think he has more upside talentwise, but he's not the greatest decision maker - at least not as good as Brohm.

Ryan had to work with lesser talent on offense than Brian Brohm has.

 

[jonboltz]

Matt Ryan as a senior had 60% comp, 7ypa, and 28/18 td/int ratio. He played poorly vs almost every good team he faced. Frankly, his YPA is abysmal for a QB being thought of as the top in the draft.

 

[bosoxs45]

Matt Ryan as a senior had 60% comp, 7ypa, and 28/18 td/int ratio. He played poorly vs almost every good team he faced. Frankly, his YPA is abysmal for a QB being thought of as the top in the draft.

They run an aggresive pass offense to your agruement of his 60%. And also, BC doesnt has the athlethe's like a top tier program would have.

 

[jonboltz]

Matt Ryan as a senior had 60% comp, 7ypa, and 28/18 td/int ratio. He played poorly vs almost every good team he faced. Frankly, his YPA is abysmal for a QB being thought of as the top in the draft.

They run an aggresive pass offense to your agruement of his 60%. And also, BC doesnt has the athlethe's like a top tier program would have.

I live and went to school in the ACC, and have seen Ryan play several times. BC might not have top flight talent, but they have talent enough to compete in a BCS conference. 7.02 ypa is just plain awful from a college QB thought of as potentially being the top QB taken, and so is 18 ints.

 

[RustyFA]

Great job. Very well thought out.

My issue is that the Bronco's will take DL. They are set at LB. The Bronco's honesty need 4 new starters. So they will take the top guy and hope Jarvis Moss comes back from his injury.

 

[saintfool]

Great job. Very well thought out.My issue is that the Bronco's will take DL. They are set at LB. The Bronco's honesty need 4 new starters. So they will take the top guy and hope Jarvis Moss comes back from his injury.

Dumervil is pretty effective...

 

[pantherclub]

Matt Ryan as a senior had 60% comp, 7ypa, and 28/18 td/int ratio. He played poorly vs almost every good team he faced. Frankly, his YPA is abysmal for a QB being thought of as the top in the draft.

They run an aggresive pass offense to your agruement of his 60%. And also, BC doesnt has the athlethe's like a top tier program would have.

I live and went to school in the ACC, and have seen Ryan play several times. BC might not have top flight talent, but they have talent enough to compete in a BCS conference. 7.02 ypa is just plain awful from a college QB thought of as potentially being the top QB taken, and so is 18 ints.

This is what I cannot figure out with Ryan, he is supposed to be this stud but his numbers dont knock you out. Woodson's however do. Again, i am not a NFL scout though. I have seen both Woodson and Ryan play multiple times and I think Woodson is light years better.

 

[MCguidance]

if the rams get the mich tackle long to go with pace as bookends next year (and they are nfl ready and healthy, respectively) then look for sjax to bounce back huge next year

 

[Buckna]

Texans pick is spot on with your reasoning. Also, the season ending injury to Duanta Robinson is some cause for concern to make the Texans go CB as well.

One thing you mock drafters should keep an eye out for is a 4th Round rookie CB, Bennett, has been playing quite well as the #2 lately, so there is a possibility they might go another way now. I think they'll likely evalute his play over this 2nd half of the season to see if they think he can be a legit starting corner fulltime, but I don't have much faith in a 4th round rook panning out or holding the job longterm.

Isn't the problem with the Texans defensive backfield the slew of injuries? I mean they might not have been any good to begin with but pointing out how poorly they played this season is a little harsh. didn't they lose something like 3 safeties to season ending injury this year by like week 3?

The safeties they did have were mediocre at best before injury.

Injuries have certainly played a role, but the Texans didn't have a true NFL caliber Free Safety on the roster even in preseason. All the safeties we had were strong or converted/hybrid types and even they aren't very good.There has been a hole at corner 2 since we cut Aaron Glenn 2 seasons ago and traded for the waste of space that was Phillip Buchanon. They tried promoting a nickelback (Faggins) at corner for awhile, but he got benched earlier this season due to poor play. Since then, the rookie Bennett I mentioned has been playing that position.

Reggie Smith would be a great pick for them. He could fill whichever position they wanted to play him in - safety or corner.One thing of note - Asante Samuel, DeAngelo Hall*, and Marcus Trufant are going to be free agents and I would think the Texans would make a play for one of them and then draft another d-back at either corner or safety.

*I think Hall is overrated, but he's certainly an upgrade to what the Texans have.

I think many Texans fans are hoping for an Assante Samuel or Trufant signing, but neither will come cheap. Signing a solid corner would certainly allow them to use their pick to fill one of the other holes on the team (of which there are still many.) The Safety and RB positions stand out, but the Texans could use upgrades at a number of spots.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

if the rams get the mich tackle long to go with pace as bookends next year (and they are nfl ready and healthy, respectively) then look for sjax to bounce back huge next year

So, Alex Barron is a bust then?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Reggie Smith would be a great pick for them. He could fill whichever position they wanted to play him in - safety or corner.One thing of note - Asante Samuel, DeAngelo Hall*, and Marcus Trufant are going to be free agents and I would think the Texans would make a play for one of them and then draft another d-back at either corner or safety.*I think Hall is overrated, but he's certainly an upgrade to what the Texans have.

I think many Texans fans are hoping for an Assante Samuel or Trufant signing, but neither will come cheap. Signing a solid corner would certainly allow them to use their pick to fill one of the other holes on the team (of which there are still many.) The Safety and RB positions stand out, but the Texans could use upgrades at a number of spots.

Provided Reggie Smith declares, they should have a chance at either him or Kenny Phillips. If Dunta can come back from injury and they can sign one of the better CB free agents, their backfield could get better in a hurry.People laughed at the Mario Williams pick, but with the whole d-line playing well, plus DeMeco Ryans, they're only a shark move away from having a very good defense.