Greg Jennings vs. Reggie Wayne (1 Viewer)

[hotlanta]

These 2 guys are going right after each other in a lot of cheatsheets and mock drafts. Both have their pluses and minuses. Both are projected to have around the same production (85/1280/9). The question is who has the more upside? The obvious answer might be Jennings because you know what you are getting in Wayne, but is that really the case?

Wayne: Pros

1) Is the #1 receiver now that Harrison is gone.

2) Has Manning throwing to him.

3) Has Clark and Gonzalez to prevent double teams.

Cons:

1) Wlll continue to play on the left side and Gonzalez will play Harrison's spot.

Gonzalez might be right handed Manning's first read on a play.

2) Wayne's TDs are always low (save that record year).

3) He is 31 - past his prime?

4) Manning raves about Gonzalez and loves Clark.

Jennings: Pro:

1) Is the clear go to guy for Green Bay.

2) Green Bay throws a lot.

3) They play Detroit twice and have a relatively easy schedule.

4) Is now entering his third year and can get better.

5) Wants to be the best in the league.

Cons:

1) Driver caught 77 balls to Jennings 85.

2) Will Rodgers repeat his first season or flop like Derek Anderson?

3) Will GB try to run more this year?

So, if given the choice, who would you guys take?

 

[Maven]

Jennings all day. 24/7/365

 

[The Man with the Plan]

That's a tough one but I think I'll give the edge to Greg Jennings. He's younger so we shouldn't have seen the best of him. On ESPN they showed him training with Larry Fitzgerald. Only good can come from that.

 

[thehornet]

For this year? Wayne is the choice. For the next 5....Obviously, Jennings.

 

[Slider]

Wayne this year.

 

[travdogg]

For this year? Wayne is the choice. For the next 5....Obviously, Jennings.

That's exactly how I see it too.To expand on that idea:2009=Wayne2010=Equal2011=Jennings

 

[Masked Vigilante]

Jennings all day. 24/7/365

I hope he puts up much better numbers than that.

 

[None_More_Black]

Wayne put up 1100 and 6 last year. I think he is going pretty high for those stats. Staying away.

 

[Double_J]

Wayne put up 1100 and 6 last year. I think he is going pretty high for those stats. Staying away.

So Peyton is hurt again this year?

 

[Gordon Keith]

I was lucky enough to draft them both in a 12 teamer so I'm hoping they are both worth their draft position.

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[inzanitee]

Both great, I'll take Wayne but could go either way.

 

[DrJamesAndrews Fan]

Jennings

 

[None_More_Black]

Wayne put up 1100 and 6 last year. I think he is going pretty high for those stats. Staying away.

So Peyton is hurt again this year?

Manning threw for 27 tds and 4000 yards. Wayne got 6 of those. (I know Manning had a bit of a slow start but that does not mean better stats for Wayne)

 

[BBRULE]

I think this year it's like chosing between Coke and Pepsi, take the guy you like. Beyond that, Jennings is the clear choice.

 

[Mustang Man]

These 2 guys are going right after each other in a lot of cheatsheets and mock drafts. Both have their pluses and minuses. Both are projected to have around the same production (85/1280/9). The question is who has the more upside? The obvious answer might be Jennings because you know what you are getting in Wayne, but is that really the case?Wayne: Pros1) Is the #1 receiver now that Harrison is gone.2) Has Manning throwing to him.3) Has Clark and Gonzalez to prevent double teams.Cons:1) Wlll continue to play on the left side and Gonzalez will play Harrison's spot.Gonzalez might be right handed Manning's first read on a play.2) Wayne's TDs are always low (save that record year).3) He is 31 - past his prime?4) Manning raves about Gonzalez and loves Clark.Jennings: Pro:1) Is the clear go to guy for Green Bay.2) Green Bay throws a lot.3) They play Detroit twice and have a relatively easy schedule.4) Is now entering his third year and can get better.5) Wants to be the best in the league.Cons:1) Driver caught 77 balls to Jennings 85.2) Will Rodgers repeat his first season or flop like Derek Anderson?3) Will GB try to run more this year?So, if given the choice, who would you guys take?

I would take Jennings in either a dynasty or redraft

 

[Ilov80s]

Wayne put up 1100 and 6 last year. I think he is going pretty high for those stats. Staying away.

So Peyton is hurt again this year?

Manning had a knee injury coming into last year and it seemd to have a negative impact on his play. That being said, in standard non ppr scoring, Wayne had 7 games with 10+ points last year. Of those 7 games, 4 of them came in the first 5 games...when you'd expect Manning's injury to most negatively impact performance. I could be mistaken, but to me this is a clear indicator that Jennings is a better pick than Wayne. Wayne seems to be a classic example a reputation preceding reality. The last 5 games of the year, when Manning should have been at his healthiest, Wayne was the 26th rated WR...performing on pat with Johnny Lee Higgins, Isaac Bruce, and Steve Breaston. For his draft position, Wayne is very overvalued IMO.

 

[Lord Fantasy]

Jennings all day. 24/7/365

I hope he puts up much better numbers than that.

Bummer on the yards, but I'll take the 365 TDs.

 

[hotlanta]

Wayne put up 1100 and 6 last year. I think he is going pretty high for those stats. Staying away.

So Peyton is hurt again this year?

Manning had a knee injury coming into last year and it seemd to have a negative impact on his play. That being said, in standard non ppr scoring, Wayne had 7 games with 10+ points last year. Of those 7 games, 4 of them came in the first 5 games...when you'd expect Manning's injury to most negatively impact performance. I could be mistaken, but to me this is a clear indicator that Jennings is a better pick than Wayne. Wayne seems to be a classic example a reputation preceding reality. The last 5 games of the year, when Manning should have been at his healthiest, Wayne was the 26th rated WR...performing on pat with Johnny Lee Higgins, Isaac Bruce, and Steve Breaston. For his draft position, Wayne is very overvalued IMO.

 

[hotlanta]

Should weather be a concern with Jennings?

 

[thehornet]

Wayne put up 1100 and 6 last year. I think he is going pretty high for those stats. Staying away.

So Peyton is hurt again this year?

Manning had a knee injury coming into last year and it seemd to have a negative impact on his play. That being said, in standard non ppr scoring, Wayne had 7 games with 10+ points last year. Of those 7 games, 4 of them came in the first 5 games...when you'd expect Manning's injury to most negatively impact performance. I could be mistaken, but to me this is a clear indicator that Jennings is a better pick than Wayne. Wayne seems to be a classic example a reputation preceding reality. The last 5 games of the year, when Manning should have been at his healthiest, Wayne was the 26th rated WR...performing on pat with Johnny Lee Higgins, Isaac Bruce, and Steve Breaston. For his draft position, Wayne is very overvalued IMO.

Jennings Last 5 games 25/326/3 (played all 5 entire games fully)

Wayne last 5 games 24/404/2

(Not to mention he sat most of the game Week 17 because of playoffs coming)

Jennings scored the same as Wayne. Who does that put Jennings on par with?

Ya great posting.

 

[Carver]

Jennings this season and every season from here on out. The Colts are not the high powered offense they once were. I think that tends to cloud peoples judgment sometimes when evaluating their skill players.I think Waynes best fantasy days are behind him, while Jennings run is just beginning.

 

[AllVolUT]

Wayne put up 1100 and 6 last year. I think he is going pretty high for those stats. Staying away.

So Peyton is hurt again this year?

Manning had a knee injury coming into last year and it seemd to have a negative impact on his play. That being said, in standard non ppr scoring, Wayne had 7 games with 10+ points last year. Of those 7 games, 4 of them came in the first 5 games...when you'd expect Manning's injury to most negatively impact performance. I could be mistaken, but to me this is a clear indicator that Jennings is a better pick than Wayne. Wayne seems to be a classic example a reputation preceding reality. The last 5 games of the year, when Manning should have been at his healthiest, Wayne was the 26th rated WR...performing on pat with Johnny Lee Higgins, Isaac Bruce, and Steve Breaston. For his draft position, Wayne is very overvalued IMO.

Jennings Last 5 games 25/326/3 (played all 5 entire games fully)

Wayne last 5 games 24/404/2

(Not to mention he sat most of the game Week 17 because of playoffs coming)

Jennings scored the same as Wayne. Who does that put Jennings on par with?

Ya great posting.

Nice rebuttal. I had the option between the two and I went with Wayne for two reasons:1. Wayne hasn't missed a game since his rookie year in 2001. Last year was Jennings first 16 game season - he played 14 his rookie year and 13 in his sophomore year.

2. I don't think it was a coincidence that Wayne had his career year in 2007 when Harrison missed the majority of the season.

 

[cowpie]

Jennings all day. 24/7/365

I hope he puts up much better numbers than that.

Bummer on the yards, but I'll take the 365 TDs.

haahahaha ditto

 

[ninerfanatic492000]

i'll take Jennings but for a few different reasons

anyone worried about what they saw from the colts OL last week? sure they were without a few regulars and the vikes front is damn good but still when was the last time we saw Peyton getting hit like that? i know its preseason but Jesus that was shocking

Brown was brought in to compete and try to jumstart the ground game as well. i think the colts desperately want to run the ball better(ball control) as their defense has trainwreck potential. 3/4 of secondary hurt and lone starter left(marlin) is recovering from ACL reconstruction. Caldwell wants to tweak Dungy's D to be more aggressive and powerful(better against run) but not so sure they have the tools to do so. especially since Mathis seems to be moved back to fulltime starter opposed to pash rush super specialist. do their starting DE's even break a combined 500lbs?

where i think the colts offense will be needed even more this year, i believe they will try to run the ball more(didn't bring in Brown for nothing) and the OL play will kill many drives leading to fewer opportunites in the passing game. Wayne will still get his b/c he's awesome but i don't know if he reaches last year's #'s.

 

[Phlash]

Jennings all day. 24/7/365

I hope he puts up much better numbers than that.

I wouldn't be upset with 365 touchdowns from my 3rd round pick.

 

[BoulderBob]

I'll take Manning's #1 over Rodgers(don't get me wrong, the kid can certainly play) any day of the week. Looking at Jennings playoff schedule(@ Chicago, @PIT, SEA) makes this an easy choice for Wayne. Cold, windy, snowy, etc.

If you draft Jennings, unload him at the deadline. He is THE WR to do this with this season...

Wayne's playoff schedule(and really folks, for most of us, these are the $ games) looks much, much better. Two dome games and @ JAX.

 

[djcolts]

i'll take Jennings but for a few different reasonsanyone worried about what they saw from the colts OL last week? sure they were without a few regulars and the vikes front is damn good but still when was the last time we saw Peyton getting hit like that? i know its preseason but Jesus that was shockingBrown was brought in to compete and try to jumstart the ground game as well. i think the colts desperately want to run the ball better(ball control) as their defense has trainwreck potential. 3/4 of secondary hurt and lone starter left(marlin) is recovering from ACL reconstruction. Caldwell wants to tweak Dungy's D to be more aggressive and powerful(better against run) but not so sure they have the tools to do so. especially since Mathis seems to be moved back to fulltime starter opposed to pash rush super specialist. do their starting DE's even break a combined 500lbs?where i think the colts offense will be needed even more this year, i believe they will try to run the ball more(didn't bring in Brown for nothing) and the OL play will kill many drives leading to fewer opportunites in the passing game. Wayne will still get his b/c he's awesome but i don't know if he reaches last year's #'s.

Wait and see on the Colts OL - the guy responsible for 2 of those 3 sacks was cut yesterday. I'm not saying they are going to be good - they are my biggest concern for the Colts - but that series last week was an abberration.As for the Colts DL - it is much deeper than last year at DT, many more 300+ pounders than last year, and they moved one of the former starting DTs to the DE rotation - Mathis isn't going to play more than he did last year. I'm worried about week 1 vs. Jacksonville (I wish that game was not the opener, but it is - Colts will miss Ed Johnson for that game, and possibly Raheem Brock), but I think by mid-season, many people will be surprised by the Colts D to the upside.

 

[Mapmaker]

I think Wayne might be the better play due to the fact he doesn't have as much talent around him at the WR spot and this season he doesn't have to share the WR1 spot with Harrison ....

Green Bay is absolutely loaded with receiving talent and although Jennings is without a doubt the WR1 there's just so many options for Rogers to choose from ...

The Green Bay offense is on the rise while Indy will struggle to maintain status quoe ...

For this season I'd give the nod to Wayne but not by much .... perhaps 10-12 Catches, ~ 125 - 175 Yds

 

[Dismattle]

I like Greg Jennings but just in case I missed all the cons, I wanted too add the fact that he has a good contract signed. James Jones is also entering his "3rd yr" but at best is looking at WR3, but supposedly is beating out Jordy Nelson for the spot. James Jones is supposedly a "playmaker". I also believe the GB defense should be improved making for a better running game. One other small point is dropped passes!

I guess too really make a statement is too ask who has the most potential for yac yds? Im gonna say R. Wayne.

On the flipside, correct me if Im wrong P Manning likes to hit his number three WR which might be Pierre Garcon (redzone looks?). If we factor in Dallas Clark, were looking at quite a few players to throw the ball too...

I really only had one chance in drafts to grab either players n took Jennings (partly on his bye week planning for later picks). Gonazalez for instance would be a nice pick in a later rnd imo.

 

[Tanner9919]

I'm very worried about the Colts' Oline and their pass blocking in particular. Manning was sacked 3 times last week, in a preseason game?!

I know it is just one presseason game , and the first one at that, but if things don't shape up soon in Indy, this is going to be a very long season for that offense..

if they don't give Manning time to throw, I can't imagine any of the Colts WR/TE doing much of anything this season..

I mean, Wayne will get decent #1 WR stats, but probably something short of last year's numbers.perhaps way short of them.



I'd go with Jennings, year #2 for Aaron Rodgers under center only means he good things!

 

[sho nuff]

i'll take Jennings but for a few different reasonsanyone worried about what they saw from the colts OL last week? sure they were without a few regulars and the vikes front is damn good but still when was the last time we saw Peyton getting hit like that? i know its preseason but Jesus that was shockingBrown was brought in to compete and try to jumstart the ground game as well. i think the colts desperately want to run the ball better(ball control) as their defense has trainwreck potential. 3/4 of secondary hurt and lone starter left(marlin) is recovering from ACL reconstruction. Caldwell wants to tweak Dungy's D to be more aggressive and powerful(better against run) but not so sure they have the tools to do so. especially since Mathis seems to be moved back to fulltime starter opposed to pash rush super specialist. do their starting DE's even break a combined 500lbs?where i think the colts offense will be needed even more this year, i believe they will try to run the ball more(didn't bring in Brown for nothing) and the OL play will kill many drives leading to fewer opportunites in the passing game. Wayne will still get his b/c he's awesome but i don't know if he reaches last year's #'s.

Anyone concerned with what the Colts do in preseason has not been paying attention to the Colts the past few years in preseason.And the line was missing quite a few people.I have not looked though at Jennings red zone targets vs. Wayne. I would think they might be a bit higher...because Dallas Clark gets so much love in the red zone.Hate to not give a real answer...but I really don't think you could go wrong with either one of them.Id probably give a nod to Wayne but just barely.

 

[DAMAC3]

I'm very worried about the Colts' Oline and their pass blocking in particular. Manning was sacked 3 times last week, in a preseason game?!

I know it is just one presseason game , and the first one at that, but if things don't shape up soon in Indy, this is going to be a very long season for that offense..

if they don't give Manning time to throw, I can't imagine any of the Colts WR/TE doing much of anything this season..

I mean, Wayne will get decent #1 WR stats, but probably something short of last year's numbers.perhaps way short of them.

:(

I'd go with Jennings, year #2 for Aaron Rodgers under center only means he good things!

:(

The key there is the fact is was a preseason game. The two guys who will be starting at tackle for the Colts were not in when that happened. Two of the three sacks were caused by Corey Hilliard, who has already been waived. I'd take Jennings or Wayne either one and be happy. I'd take Jennings in a Dynasty league for sure, but I want Wayne the next two years. Harrison still got A LOT of targets last year and didn't produce with them. Reggie's numbers will be closer to 2007 (when Harrison was out) than 2008. Harrison being on the field and Peyton still targeting him was terrible for our passing game. Harrison is one of the best WRs ever, and I enjoyed watching him for years. But he really took away from the passing game last year. Manning, Wayne, Gonzalez, and Clark will all have much improved numbers thanks to the departure of Harrison.

Again, people want to talk about the offensive line. But take away the first part of last year where the Colts had three of their five starters out and two rookies in, and the Colts have been one of the teams giving up the fewest sacks the last 5-6 years. They always look like crap in the preseason. Always. They win around 12 games every year the last several years and have averaged less than 1 preseason win a year in that same timeframe.

Sometimes following your team closely can make you biased, but it also makes you very informed if you can stay objective.

 

[djcolts]

I'm very worried about the Colts' Oline and their pass blocking in particular. Manning was sacked 3 times last week, in a preseason game?! :(

Read my earlier post, please.

 

[Sabertooth]

These 2 guys are going right after each other in a lot of cheatsheets and mock drafts. Both have their pluses and minuses. Both are projected to have around the same production (85/1280/9). The question is who has the more upside? The obvious answer might be Jennings because you know what you are getting in Wayne, but is that really the case?Wayne: Pros1) Is the #1 receiver now that Harrison is gone. (He was number one already with Marvin there)2) Has Manning throwing to him. (Nobody better because he plays every game)3) Has Clark and Gonzalez to prevent double teams. (I think Wayne can beat doubles, but other weapons will help.)Cons:1) Wlll continue to play on the left side and Gonzalez will play Harrison's spot. Gonzalez might be right handed Manning's first read on a play. (Hasn't been a problem in the past)2) Wayne's TDs are always low, save that record year. (TDs are volatile. There have been some good articles on this).3) He is 31 - past his prime? (I don't think so, he was a late bloomer and should have at least 1 to 3 more years in his prime).4) Manning raves about Gonzalez and loves Clark. (I don't think this is any indication that Wayne is losing favor. He's better than those two guys.)Jennings: Pro:1) Is the clear go to guy for Green Bay. (Yes he is, but they have other weapons as well).2) Green Bay throws a lot. (Yes they do. But tend to spread the ball out a bit).3) They play Detroit twice and have a relatively easy schedule. (This is true)4) Is now entering his third year and can get better. (I think he's gotten better every year so far so that is reasonable).5) Wants to be the best in the league. (I would hope all players would want this).Cons:1) Driver caught 77 balls to Jennings 85. (See above)2) Will Rodgers repeat his first season or flop like Derek Anderson? (Not likely, Rodgers I would say would be more likely to improve).3) Will GB try to run more this year? (Maybe, but then again with Donald Brown, Indy might as well)So, if given the choice, who would you guys take?

Wayne for reasons stated above.

 

[ninerfanatic492000]

i'll take Jennings but for a few different reasonsanyone worried about what they saw from the colts OL last week? sure they were without a few regulars and the vikes front is damn good but still when was the last time we saw Peyton getting hit like that? i know its preseason but Jesus that was shockingBrown was brought in to compete and try to jumstart the ground game as well. i think the colts desperately want to run the ball better(ball control) as their defense has trainwreck potential. 3/4 of secondary hurt and lone starter left(marlin) is recovering from ACL reconstruction. Caldwell wants to tweak Dungy's D to be more aggressive and powerful(better against run) but not so sure they have the tools to do so. especially since Mathis seems to be moved back to fulltime starter opposed to pash rush super specialist. do their starting DE's even break a combined 500lbs?where i think the colts offense will be needed even more this year, i believe they will try to run the ball more(didn't bring in Brown for nothing) and the OL play will kill many drives leading to fewer opportunites in the passing game. Wayne will still get his b/c he's awesome but i don't know if he reaches last year's #'s.

Wait and see on the Colts OL - the guy responsible for 2 of those 3 sacks was cut yesterday. I'm not saying they are going to be good - they are my biggest concern for the Colts - but that series last week was an abberration.As for the Colts DL - it is much deeper than last year at DT, many more 300+ pounders than last year, and they moved one of the former starting DTs to the DE rotation - Mathis isn't going to play more than he did last year. I'm worried about week 1 vs. Jacksonville (I wish that game was not the opener, but it is - Colts will miss Ed Johnson for that game, and possibly Raheem Brock), but I think by mid-season, many people will be surprised by the Colts D to the upside.

well i have watched the colts preseason games the last few years and i know peyton took time to get fit from injury/get into rythym/and gel with a inexperienced/decimated OL last year.that being said he still never had pressure in his face like that(don't care that the guy responsible was waived). for whatever reason Ugoh has regressed to be a swing tackle, its not that they've upgraded and they are better at both tackles spots. Saturday is really aging and has major injury risks, the Guards are extremely young and well didn't open up any runnings lanes last year. Addai may have slipped a bit but there simply weren't holes. Addai was similarly getting blamed like ryan grant for lack of production, hey when u get hit 2-3yards deep in the backfield it ain't all your fault. i think the colts have made a mistake of not bringing in FA for that OL and just sticking with "we'll grow our own" mentality. they always go with 'their kind' of OL being smaller and athletic/intelligient. that can work but my lord the jags/titans and now texans are going with the biggest/meanest DL they can find now.........may be time to rethink things. Peyton's really productive remaining years are down to what? i'd bring in more talent instead of just constantly patching/using interchangeable parts

 

[Dolfan]

Jennings all day. 24/7/365

I hope he puts up much better numbers than that.

Bummer on the yards, but I'll take the 365 TDs.

He'd have to average 15 touchdowns per catch, while at the same time only gaining 1 foot per catch.Seems unlikely to me..

 

[jobarules]

Im not a big fan of any of the Colts this year except Clark. That OLine is a disaster.

 

[Ilov80s]

Wayne put up 1100 and 6 last year. I think he is going pretty high for those stats. Staying away.

So Peyton is hurt again this year?

Manning had a knee injury coming into last year and it seemd to have a negative impact on his play. That being said, in standard non ppr scoring, Wayne had 7 games with 10+ points last year. Of those 7 games, 4 of them came in the first 5 games...when you'd expect Manning's injury to most negatively impact performance. I could be mistaken, but to me this is a clear indicator that Jennings is a better pick than Wayne. Wayne seems to be a classic example a reputation preceding reality. The last 5 games of the year, when Manning should have been at his healthiest, Wayne was the 26th rated WR...performing on pat with Johnny Lee Higgins, Isaac Bruce, and Steve Breaston. For his draft position, Wayne is very overvalued IMO.

Jennings Last 5 games 25/326/3 (played all 5 entire games fully)

Wayne last 5 games 24/404/2

(Not to mention he sat most of the game Week 17 because of playoffs coming)

Jennings scored the same as Wayne. Who does that put Jennings on par with?

Ya great posting.

1. That is irrelevant to the conversation as the comment I was responding to was "So Peyton is hurt again this year?"- implying that Manning's injury was the reason for Wayne's disappointing season. I was simply showing Wayne put up better numbers early in the year which is the opposite of what we would expect if we were blaming Manning's offseason knee injury for Wayne's lack of production. Now perhaps there are reasons for this: strength of schedule or perhaps Manning's knee got worse as the wear of the season took a toll on it, etc. 2. Wayne's final 5 regular season games (playoffs dont really matter for fantasy) were 24/321/1. Yes he sat most of the last game and that has been a re-occuring problem with Colts fantasy players (that does matter for fantasy).

3. Standard scoring, over the final 5 games of the season, Jennings was 11th. Who was Jennings on par with? TO was 10th and Brandon Marshall was 12th over that same stretch.

 

[tomarken]

I have not looked though at Jennings red zone targets vs. Wayne. I would think they might be a bit higher...because Dallas Clark gets so much love in the red zone.

In the past three years Jennings has a total of 37 red zone targets (11 in 2006, 11 in 2007, 15 last year).Reggie Wayne had 23 in 2006, 23 in 2007, but only 8 last year. He also had 20 targets in each of 2003, 2004, and 2005, so last year appears to be the anomaly.

For reference, Clark has had 13, 23, and 21 red zone targets in 2006, 2007 and 2008, respectively.

Make what you will of these stats.

From the opposite side of the coin, Jennings has had 14 TD receptions from outside the opponent's 20, to Wayne's 12, in the past three years.

 

[Riley]

I'd say Wayne right now, Jennings is up there and he'll be better in a couple years. In a couple years, Jennings will be one of the best if not the best. That's if he continues working hard and doing all he can.

 

[tomarken]

Re: this last five weeks business, I don't know exactly what you guys are referencing but by FBG scoring from the data dominator:

From weeks 9 - 13 (final five weeks of fantasy regular season, perhaps?)

Jennings 41.4

Wayne 40.1

From weeks 10 - 14 (maybe this is the last five weeks of your regular season?)

Jennings 40.9

Wayne 38.4

From weeks 12 - 16 (final five weeks, including fantasy playoffs?)

Wayne 39.2

Jennings 36.1

And their receptions were almost identical so PPR scoring wouldn't change this much. Nothing to see here.

If it's keeper/dynasty take Jennings. If it's redraft, just pick whichever one you like better.

 

[cvnpoka]

wayne was a bit banged up last year if i remember correctly. i think he had a gimpy ankle. he played but wasnt that effective. ok heres a blurb from 11/18

News: The Sports Xchange notes that Colts WR Reggie Wayne tweaked his ankle again Sunday but was able to stay in the game. Wayne has been bothered by a sprained ankle for the past three weeks. He is expected to play against the Chargers this week, although he may see limited practice time.

i think these guys are super close. i alternate who i take since im in a ton of leagues. if youre only in one league, take whoever you like more. or use playoff matchups to tiebreak.

 

[tribecalledjeff]

I think Wayne might be the better play due to the fact he doesn't have as much talent around him at the WR spot and this season he doesn't have to share the WR1 spot with Harrison .... Green Bay is absolutely loaded with receiving talent and although Jennings is without a doubt the WR1 there's just so many options for Rogers to choose from ... The Green Bay offense is on the rise while Indy will struggle to maintain status quoe ...For this season I'd give the nod to Wayne but not by much .... perhaps 10-12 Catches, ~ 125 - 175 Yds

In ppr last year, this was appx. the difference b/w wr9 and wr18, or the difference b/w a #1 and a #2. That's far from "not by much."

 

[Ilov80s]

Re: this last five weeks business, I don't know exactly what you guys are referencing but by FBG scoring from the data dominator:

From weeks 9 - 13 (final five weeks of fantasy regular season, perhaps?)

Jennings 41.4

Wayne 40.1

From weeks 10 - 14 (maybe this is the last five weeks of your regular season?)

Jennings 40.9

Wayne 38.4

From weeks 12 - 16 (final five weeks, including fantasy playoffs?)

Wayne 39.2

Jennings 36.1

And their receptions were almost identical so PPR scoring wouldn't change this much. Nothing to see here.

If it's keeper/dynasty take Jennings. If it's redraft, just pick whichever one you like better.

FWIW, I was looking at the final 5 games of the NFL regular season. As for you the section I highlighted, that cant be accurate. Weeks 12-16 Jennings had 4 TDs and 316 yards. Wayne had 340 yards and 1 TD. Wayne only scored 1 TD after week 10. Jennings had 5 TDs after week 10.

Not that important really. I like Jennings better, but I know most people will take Wayne ahead of him. I guess I should be happy he'll likely fall to me.

 

[thehornet]

Manning had a knee injury coming into last year and it seemd to have a negative impact on his play. That being said, in standard non ppr scoring, Wayne had 7 games with 10+ points last year. Of those 7 games, 4 of them came in the first 5 games...when you'd expect Manning's injury to most negatively impact performance. I could be mistaken, but to me this is a clear indicator that Jennings is a better pick than Wayne. Wayne seems to be a classic example a reputation preceding reality.

The last 5 games of the year, when Manning should have been at his healthiest, Wayne was the 26th rated WR...performing on pat with Johnny Lee Higgins, Isaac Bruce, and Steve Breaston. For his draft position, Wayne is very overvalued IMO.



Jennings Last 5 games 25/326/3

(played all 5 entire games fully)

Wayne last 5 games 24/404/2

(Not to mention he sat most of the game Week 17 because of playoffs coming)

Jennings scored the same as Wayne. Who does that put Jennings on par with?

Ya great posting.

1. That is irrelevant to the conversation as the comment I was responding to was "So Peyton is hurt again this year?"- implying that Manning's injury was the reason for Wayne's disappointing season. I was simply showing Wayne put up better numbers early in the year which is the opposite of what we would expect if we were blaming Manning's offseason knee injury for Wayne's lack of production. Now perhaps there are reasons for this: strength of schedule or perhaps Manning's knee got worse as the wear of the season took a toll on it, etc.

2. Wayne's final 5 regular season games (playoffs dont really matter for fantasy) were 24/321/1. Yes he sat most of the last game and that has been a re-occuring problem with Colts fantasy players (that does matter for fantasy).

3. Standard scoring, over the final 5 games of the season, Jennings was 11th. Who was Jennings on par with? TO was 10th and Brandon Marshall was 12th over that same stretch.

I stated cold-hard facts and you are spinning it in the most ridiculous way. Fine, you like Jennings better. It's no big deal, but you cant just put in all these disqualifiers and then tell me the facts I researched are irrelevant. You simply stated Waynes last 5 games put him at 26th overall for WR's and I simply stated that Wayne and Jennings scored the same amount during that time span.

 

[djcolts]

http://www.indystar.com/article/20090825/S...+over+the+field

This basically says that they'll move Wayne around all over the field - left, right, slot based on formations to free him up. They couldn't do that last year with Marvin in the game - but they did this when Marvin was hurt in 2007.

The Colts will have a lot of flexiblity of lineups this year. If they want Wayne in the slot - then Pierre Garcon will be the 3rd receiver. If they want Wayne on the outside - they'll put rookie Austin Collie in the slot. When Wayne scored that "gimme" TD last week - they had a 2 TE set with Jacob Tamme (who can run and catch - blocking is the concern with him) as the 2nd TE that caused a big problem in the Eagle's zone defense.

I think Wayne will be closer to the 2007 stats than the 2008 stats. However, since I live in Indy, I'm sure that Wayne will be taken before Jennings - so I'm not likely to take Wayne in my redraft league (I rarely take Colts because I live in Indy and most Colts are overvalued in my leagues).

 

[Ilov80s]

1. That is irrelevant to the conversation as the comment I was responding to was "So Peyton is hurt again this year?"- implying that Manning's injury was the reason for Wayne's disappointing season. I was simply showing Wayne put up better numbers early in the year which is the opposite of what we would expect if we were blaming Manning's offseason knee injury for Wayne's lack of production. Now perhaps there are reasons for this: strength of schedule or perhaps Manning's knee got worse as the wear of the season took a toll on it, etc.

2. Wayne's final 5 regular season games (playoffs dont really matter for fantasy) were 24/321/1. Yes he sat most of the last game and that has been a re-occuring problem with Colts fantasy players (that does matter for fantasy).

3. Standard scoring, over the final 5 games of the season, Jennings was 11th. Who was Jennings on par with? TO was 10th and Brandon Marshall was 12th over that same stretch.

I stated cold-hard facts and you are spinning it in the most ridiculous way. Fine, you like Jennings better. It's no big deal, but you cant just put in all these disqualifiers and then tell me the facts I researched are irrelevant. You simply stated Waynes last 5 games put him at 26th overall for WR's and I simply stated that Wayne and Jennings scored the same amount during that time span.

I was comparing weeks 13-17. The final 5 weeks of the NFL regular season. Jennings did not play in the playoffs. I don't think it was ridiculous to compare 2 players over the same stretch of games nor did it seem ridiculous to not take the NFL playoffs into account when discussing fantasy production.

 

[Masked Vigilante]

Jennings all day. 24/7/365

I hope he puts up much better numbers than that.

Bummer on the yards, but I'll take the 365 TDs.

He'd have to average 15 touchdowns per catch, while at the same time only gaining 1 foot per catch.Seems unlikely to me..

I think Jennings can roll out as a goal line back. That could account for 357 of those TDs.

 

[JamesTheScot]

Jennings this season and every season from here on out. The Colts are not the high powered offense they once were. I think that tends to cloud peoples judgment sometimes when evaluating their skill players.I think Waynes best fantasy days are behind him, while Jennings run is just beginning.

This.So Manning to Wayne = Rodgers to Jennings.It shouldn't be that close considering how long Manning and Wayne have been playing catch and how much of a non-factor Harrison has been of late. Harrison hasn't been holding Wayne back for some time now. Harrison being gone this year isn't an uptick for Wayne, it could be a down tick. I'm not high on Gonzalez individually, but I think he poses a more significant risk to Wayne's numbers this year than he and Harrison did to Wayne's numbers last year...and Clark is still in the mix.

 

[BLOX]

Just wanted to point out that this is Jennings 4th season.

To answer the OP's question though I don't think you can go wrong with either.

The shark move is to draft Wayne and Driver though.