Greg Olsen (1 Viewer)

[nlgb1]

with cutler coming into the fold, the passing attempts in chicago will clearly increase. Olsen didnt even start a majority of the games last year and still put up decent numbers. He is the only legitimate receiver in Chicago, and desmond clark wont be taking many of his targets this year. i had him as my #2 TE on my board for .5ppr dynasty, drafted him at 6.05.

just seems like simple logic... am i missing something?

prediction - 75 rec 850 yds 8 tds

 

[Black]

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[rzrback77]

with cutler coming into the fold, the passing attempts in chicago will clearly increase. Olsen didnt even start a majority of the games last year and still put up decent numbers. He is the only legitimate receiver in Chicago, and desmond clark wont be taking many of his targets this year. i had him as my #2 TE on my board for .5ppr dynasty, drafted him at 6.05.

just seems like simple logic... am i missing something?

prediction - 75 rec 850 yds 8 tds

Most would agree with you, but there is reason to think that the TE targets will continue to be shared......Dsmd Clark 08 - 73 targets

Greg Olsen 08 - 82 targets

Dsmd Clark 07 - 66 targets

Greg Olsen 08 - 66 targets

How do you see the bolded above so clearly?

 

[Garts]

I think with Cutler the TE targets will split and see Olsen with plenty more targets. Nothing to back that up at all, but Clark IS getting long in tooth and Cutler can get it up the seam pretty quick.

 

[Grahamburn]

I'm seeing him go around the TE5 range in mocks.

That seems plenty high to me.

 

[MAC_32]

Why arent more people high on him?

Haven't been around much lately have you, there's a 2 page thread full of Greg Olsen stroking that couldn't be more than a week old.

 

[Cawbird]

Everyone seems to forget that IT IS the Bears. Just because they now have Cutler does not mean that they are all of a sudden going to switch to a passing team. A few things to remember................

1. Their defense is still pretty old, so they will still want to try and work the clock with the running game.

2. They have NEVER been a passing team - yes, I know that they have never had the likes of a Cutler at QB.

3. Forte will be the main option on dump-offs and short yardage passes.

4. There will still be targets for Desmond Clark.

5. Their O-line is not going to give Cutler a ton of time to look around for the receivers.

6. Cutler needs to cut way down on the INT's.

Olsen should be one of the better TE's this year, but a lot of people are going to be disappointed if they think Olsen will have 800+ and 8 TD's this year.

 

[massraider]

2. They have NEVER been a passing team - yes, I know that they have never had the likes of a Cutler at QB.

You say the above, and then ignore it. It sounds like you think they will be the exact same offense as last year. I think Cutler is a massive addition.

 

[Cawbird]

I agree that it's an addition, but it is certainly not massive. He doesn't have the same weapons that he did in Denver, not the same O-line to give him some decent protection, and Lovie Smith will not center the game plan around Cutler's arm.

 

[massraider]

I agree that it's an addition, but it is certainly not massive. He doesn't have the same weapons that he did in Denver, not the same O-line to give him some decent protection, and Lovie Smith will not center the game plan around Cutler's arm.

He's the best QB they have had in 25 years, probably more.What does qualify as a massive addition?

 

[Cawbird]

I'm not here to argue back and forth and ruin this thread. Yes....he is the best by far in the last 25 years, but Lovie will not change the game plan around Cutler. They don't have the O-line or the young defense to tailor to an aerial attack. If I'm wrong, I'll be the 1st to eat MASSIVE crow about Cutler and Olsen.

 

[massraider]

I'm not here to argue back and forth and ruin this thread. Yes....he is the best by far in the last 25 years, but Lovie will not change the game plan around Cutler. They don't have the O-line or the young defense to tailor to an aerial attack. If I'm wrong, I'll be the 1st to eat MASSIVE crow about Cutler and Olsen.

Probably not. Seems like check-downs to the TE seem like a likely possibility.

 

[RavensUNFL]

Not to stir the pot or anything but I think a player that has the potential to change the look/outlook of a franchise by himself is massive. I also agree that the Bears may still try to be the Bears, but I think having Cutler instead of (Insert any QB in the past 25+ years) makes them become less 1 dimensional.

So, yes they may not become the Colts passing attack, but I certainly see more production then past Bears teams in the passing game.

 

[Grace Under Pressure]

Perhaps a better question to ask, is anyone NOT high on Greg Olsen?

He should finish in the TE3 - TE6 range IMO.

 

[massraider]

Perhaps a better question to ask, is anyone NOT high on Greg Olsen?

I can name one guy.

 

[Lott's Fingertip]

I'm not here to argue back and forth and ruin this thread. Yes....he is the best by far in the last 25 years, but Lovie will not change the game plan around Cutler. They don't have the O-line or the young defense to tailor to an aerial attack. If I'm wrong, I'll be the 1st to eat MASSIVE crow about Cutler and Olsen.

Considering your username, would this be considered cannibalism?

 

[zamboni]

I agree that it's an addition, but it is certainly not massive. He doesn't have the same weapons that he did in Denver, not the same O-line to give him some decent protection, and Lovie Smith will not center the game plan around Cutler's arm.

He's the best QB they have had in 25 years, probably more.What does qualify as a massive addition?

I agree that it's a massive addition, but as much from an NFL standpoint than a fantasy one.Cutler gives the offense a lot of credibility, and the passing game will almost certainly improve. But I doubt all of a sudden Lovie will change his philosophy of the run setting up the pass to the pass setting up the run. At the end of the day, Lovie is concerned about winning games, not setting passing records/winning fantasy titles.

 

[nlgb1]

Everyone seems to forget that IT IS the Bears. Just because they now have Cutler does not mean that they are all of a sudden going to switch to a passing team. A few things to remember................1. Their defense is still pretty old, so they will still want to try and work the clock with the running game.2. They have NEVER been a passing team - yes, I know that they have never had the likes of a Cutler at QB.3. Forte will be the main option on dump-offs and short yardage passes.4. There will still be targets for Desmond Clark.5. Their O-line is not going to give Cutler a ton of time to look around for the receivers.6. Cutler needs to cut way down on the INT's.Olsen should be one of the better TE's this year, but a lot of people are going to be disappointed if they think Olsen will have 800+ and 8 TD's this year.

1. they have never been a passing team because they have never had a qb that COULD pass the ball, not because they just decide not to.2. im not a fan of cutler at all, i actually think he is one of the most overrated players in the nfl. but its not about how quality of a qb he is, the point is if they didnt want to pass more, they wouldnt have gone out and traded their starting qb and 2 1st round draft picks for cutler.

 

[Cawbird]

This is how I see the breakdown of passing TD's by Cutler this year:

Olsen - 6

Desmond Clark - 4

Forte - 4

Hester - 6

WR II, III, IV - 6

Even if Cutler throws for 26 td's this year (which is generous), I don't think he will lock onto Olsen.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Everyone seems to forget that IT IS the Bears. Just because they now have Cutler does not mean that they are all of a sudden going to switch to a passing team. A few things to remember................1. Their defense is still pretty old, so they will still want to try and work the clock with the running game.

The Bears D is not Old. They have two starters over 31(Ogunleye and Urlacher) and 4 defensive players that might contribute over the age of 29.Dline- Ogunleye(31), T. Harris (26), M. Harrison (24), A. Brown (30).Top reserves Gilbert(22), Anderson(26), Idonije(28), Melton(22), Anthony Adams (29), D. Dvoracek (26).LB- Briggs(28), Urlacher(31), Roach(24)Top Reserves- Hillenmeyer(28), J. Williams(25), Marcus Freeman (23)DB- Tillman(28), Vasher(27), Steltz(23), Payne(25)Top Reserves- Graham(23), Bowman(24), Moore(22), Manning(26), Bullocks(26), McBride(23)How does that crow taste?

 

[Cawbird]

The Crow is still sitting on the plate. The Bears haven't played a game yet, so we don't have the results.

I just don't understand why people are expecting Olsen to have this great year. Look at what the TE position did in Denver last year. Even with Marshall there, Cutler spread the td's around.

Can someone please state the support behind why Olsen WILL have this great year? He will be better than last year, but I don't see top 5 automatically because Cutler is in town.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

The Crow is still sitting on the plate. The Bears haven't played a game yet, so we don't have the results.I just don't understand why people are expecting Olsen to have this great year. Look at what the TE position did in Denver last year. Even with Marshall there, Cutler spread the td's around.Can someone please state the support behind why Olsen WILL have this great year? He will be better than last year, but I don't see top 5 automatically because Cutler is in town.

Were you or were you not wrong about the bears d still being very old? Then I will start on YOUR other points

 

[Cawbird]

Fine.......perhaps I was wrong about the D being very old...............but it is not nearly the same D that has been the Bears' trademark the last decade. They played quite old last year and got quite tired in the 2nd half of many games. They need to keep that D off the field as much as possible. The game plan worked last year with Forte, so why fix what is not broke?

 

[nlgb1]

matt forte had 3.9 ypc last year... i dont consider that effective. and by the moves the bears front office made in in the offseason, i dont think they do either.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Fine.......perhaps I was wrong about the D being very old...............but it is not nearly the same D that has been the Bears' trademark the last decade. They played quite old last year and got quite tired in the 2nd half of many games. They need to keep that D off the field as much as possible. The game plan worked last year with Forte, so why fix what is not broke?

Personally injuries had more to do with it than age. Tillman and Vasher were injured for parts of the season, Urlacher was injured most of the season, Dvorchek was lost for the season very early(2nd game I believe), Tommie Harris was at about 50% for the season whenever he was in there, and we all know about Mike Brown and his issues. So yes losing your best D players for part or most of the season severely affects the D. I know injuries are apart of the game.....but it was bad last season.Keeping the D off the field will be what Cutler was acquired for...he will help sustain drives and keep the D more fresh. Forte will have more rushing yards this season due to 7 men in the box vs 8.Good enough answer?

 

[Cawbird]

But what are your projections for Olsen this year?

I see:

45

540 yds

6 td's

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

But what are your projections for Olsen this year?I see:45540 yds6 td's

last season olsen had54574 yds5 tdsthe year before he had39391 yds2 tds.So you expect his numbers to go down from last seasons. After acquiring the Best QB since Sid Luckman(1940's), getting 3 new players on the Oline, and his natural development as a player?I predict:728458tdsHe is the only consistent recieving threat....creates matchup problems for LB's and S's....and Cutler likes his TE's.

 

[RavensUNFL]

I am not Bears fan at all, but I think Olsen's NFL improvement + Cutler will equal the results your looking for, which will be top 5 or very close. Olsen is the TE Shockey always thought he was.

 

[Mikey16x]

Yeah seriously, shut up... this guy was secretly top 5 in my book lol.

 

[Tau837]

This is how I see the breakdown of passing TD's by Cutler this year:Olsen - 6Desmond Clark - 4Forte - 4Hester - 6WR II, III, IV - 6Even if Cutler throws for 26 td's this year (which is generous), I don't think he will lock onto Olsen.

26 is quite generous for Cutler in Chicago. He has never had 26 passing TDs in a season, and has averaged 22 per 500 passing attempts for his career. And now he is in an offense with arguably a weaker OL, weaker running attack, weaker receiving options, and more conservative offensive coaching/playcalling. I'd put his over/under at 22 for this year, and that's assuming he gets 525+ attempts.I think people are right to be high on Olsen in general, but some of the TD predictions seem high to me.