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Just send him somewhere with a good QB. Thought he was fine with Cutler, but Martz just won't use him.
yeah, you may be right, but they've never had a TE like Olsen either.
going into the offseason and beyond, there are a lot of questions about the NE offense. the speculation is warranted...
good points. :(
Edelman is a better replacement for Welker in the slot than Olsen. It's not like Olsen has Edelman's speed and ability to get open. Who do you think is easier to cover? That's right, Olsen is. Now if you're talking about him being a traditional TE with Edelman in the slot, well, that's ok.
Ben Watson was a more talented prospect coming out than Olsen was. Daniel Graham may have been too.
Yes I meant him as a TE, was just saying he is basically one big fast wr because he doesn't block. Though he is in the same speed range as both Edelman and Welker. The big thing is he can no way in hell cut like Welker. Still he is a great candidate to take care of some of those 100+ targets Welker gets.
agreed he can't block. catching is kind of important for what he is, a receiving TE. he was one of the faster TEs in his class, i think? probably in the NFL (cited below as 4.5, blazing for a TE)? not a lot of 4.4 TEs (vernon davis, cook in TEN, possibly one or two others - keller?)...
i posted a response to this while leaving the office and it made no sense at all, so i'm redo-ing it. olsen and watson were both picked in teh first around 31/32nd picks of their respected drafts. olsen was the first te drafted and watson was the second behind kwinslow2. imo, their draft position is a reflection of overall talent, which they're pretty similar comparatively speaking. imo tho, they're two very different types of TE's. watson has hit his ceiling and is falling fast. olsen still has yet to hit his. with the right team, he could. i don't know if NE is that team where he will reach his full potential, but i think it could be a good situation for him.
IMO, these are not as life threatening as they are being made out to be. I think Moss is reliable and despite what he said recently will be resigned by the Pats. Welker should be back halfway through the season with Edelman as a decent replacement. Tate should also be an option and they will add another WR via free agency or the draft.I don't think the running game is as much a mess as it is made out to be. True, they have not had a bonafide stud RB, but they stil lranked 12th in rushing yards and 6th in rushing TD last year and 6th in rushing yards and 4th in rushing TD in 2008 with a hodge pode of backs riddles with injuries.
If they can get Olsen for one of their seconds, I see no reason for them not to. Olsen is talented and young. He easily adds to the offense. I guess the only potential problem is if you see enough in the 2nd round that will help on the other side of the ball.
This has been touched on in the NE offseason thread....but it appears in the 2nd half of games....the offense was the most disappoint part of that team. This would prove Olsen to be more valuable...potentially.
I don't see much of a gap between Olsen and Watson. Olsen has a little better catch %, Watson has a better YPC, but both seem to get around the same results out of their opportunities, including FF points (Olsen had 101 pts on 108 targets last year, Watson had 29 pts on 30 targets, CBS scoring).We're already talking about Olsen leaving a TE-killing coach, is it that hard to believe Belichick is one too (even in CLE none of his TEs were fantasy relevant)? There are good and bad places/coaches for all positions, fantasy wise.
Edelman will get the looks that Welker got, not Olsen. NE doesn't make it's living throwing to the TEs, regardless of who it is or isn't.
Where we differ in opinions i guess is that I don't think Edelman is anywhere near Olsen when it comes to the hands category.
I'm not talking about Waton's 2009 fantasy points per target - I'm talking about his career. He's been inconsistent as a receiver and that's why he has a relatively small role in this offense. I haven't watched a lot of Olsen so I can't guarantee he'd be a fantasy success in NE...just saying that Watson's lack of productivity in NE is on Watson, not Belichick or something to do with the Patriots.
Olsen had several key 3rd down drops this year. I went and googled "Greg Olsen" "dropped passes" and this seems to be the feeling among a lot of Bears fans. Now I don't know the official drops on Olsen, but he did rank 13th among players who didn't catch the ball when thrown to them. That would include dropping passes after being hit. I don't think the official dropped pass stat takes into account drops after the hit, but I could be wrong. Throw in the fact that Edelman has more speed than Welker, plays a lot like him, I look for him to have a better year than Olsen should NE obtain Olsen.
Edelmans speed, though faster than Welkers, is in the same line with Olsens, and I'm sure if i picked out any Starting WR, recieving TE and googled dropped passes i'd come up with a shmorgasburg of video. The fact is that Olsen is an excellent Reciever, the fact that his targets to receptions (108-60 in 09) are off probobly has alot to do with the fact that he is many times a dump off when the QB is under heavy pressure and the line is collapsing. Cutler doesnt throw the ball away, he tries to make plays. In 2008, Olsen had a 65% reception rate with Orton and Grossman.This guy with Brady would be money.
I can't find a reasonably objective football fan in Chicago who thinks Olsen is anything special, and you are dead-on when it comes to his drops. The rules for the official drops stat are bizarre, but he drops plenty, and most of them are after hits. Almost all of his fumbles came that way, as well. Olsen gets hit; ball flies out. To clarify, I mean that Olsen is hit, and the ball comes out without being directly contacted. He just plays soft.
I think it's clear you are a big Olsen fan. There aren't many. He's an OK TE.Anyone in Chicago who doesn't see that Olsen is special is delusional. Look at who he has had at QB. Orton/Grossman, and Cutler who I am happy with, has potential to be a great QB but doesnt have the Line/surrounding talent.Some other Top TE'savis 0960% reception 78-129Keller 0954% 45-82Tony G61% 83-135A Gates69% 79-114Anyone who doesnt think Olsen is a Top 5 TE with someone like Brady/Rivers/Manning/Brees tossing him the ball is absolutely crazy
I will say I'm an Olsen fan, but I also don't own him on any fantasy leagues. Im trying to be completely objective here. I own TE's Gonzo and Gates in my Fantasy Leagues, and Finley for future.I think it's clear you are a big Olsen fan. There aren't many. He's an OK TE.Anyone in Chicago who doesn't see that Olsen is special is delusional. Look at who he has had at QB. Orton/Grossman, and Cutler who I am happy with, has potential to be a great QB but doesnt have the Line/surrounding talent.Some other Top TE's
I think it is a no brainer for the Pats and a questionable move for the Bears.benson_will_lead_the_way said:
Olsen is clearly talented. I do not think that the Bears have got nearly as much out of him as he is capable of. I think that goes into the QB's, the lack of good coaching on the offensive side of the ball, a horrid line, WR's that need no special attention, etc. However, that said, I think that the worse thing in the world for Olsen in Chicago was the hiring of Martz. Martz, in a similar situation, made Vernon Davis look like a complete bust and previously never seems to have any interest in using a TE for anything other than an occasional extra lineman. If Chicago was smart, they would not have hired Martz. Not because Martz is not good- I think he can make a good offense great with the right players in place but because he does not seem capable of adjusting his system to adjust to the players he has instead of the players he wishes he had. I do not understand why Chicago thinks that Martz will fare better there than in a similar situation in SF. If they were just a little less smarter but still pretty smart, they would keep the young and talented TE rather than try to get a 2nd for him and have him be a part of an offense of the future after Martz is fired.phthalatemagic said:I think it's clear you are a big Olsen fan. There aren't many. He's an OK TE.PitbullTD said:Anyone in Chicago who doesn't see that Olsen is special is delusional. Look at who he has had at QB. Orton/Grossman, and Cutler who I am happy with, has potential to be a great QB but doesnt have the Line/surrounding talent.Some other Top TE's
that's all it takes to get Olsen is a 2nd rounder? wow..thats a steal!werdnoynek said:
Ben Watson is arguably every bit as talented as Olsen, in fact he may be more physically gifted.werdnoynek said:
Are you saying he's a better TE than Olsen? Being "physically gifted" doesn't always translate on to the football field. From what I've seen of both, Olsen is clearly a better receiving TE, though certainly Watson could rebound on another team.
That statement is based on . . . what, exactly?
to repeat what i've already said, imo they're completely different types of TE's. because of their differences, it's pretty hard to compare their talent... olsen is a more talented receiver, watson a more talented blocker and i agree he may be more physically gifted. being physically gifted may get you drafted, but doesn't always translate into success in the NFL. just ask roy williams. the point i was trying to make was that NE has never had a receiving TE like olsen.
