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Gruden passes up on NFL jobs for Miami (FL)? (1 Viewer)

Gruden is a big name who would be able to attract serious talent at Miami. Plus it will be HIS program at Miami opposed to coaching for Jerry Jones' team.

 
Gruden is not taking a college job. That is silliness. Both Dallas and Miami of Florida are college jobs. Nothing to see here.

 
Hi everyone,

Gruden is not coming to the Univ of Miami. Donna Shalayla wouldn't hire Mike Leach when Shannon interviewed for the job because he wore shorts to the interview. She made an opinion on the guy and used that as a way to not hire him because he also would have cost double what Shannon did. No way she ponies up to get Gruden and I'm not even sure Gruden would be a great college coach if you want to know the truth of it.

He did not handle Simms very well in the NFL when he was a young QB, I can only imagine what he would do to college players that let him down.

Also Miami cannot afford to have anyone publicly turn this job down and I imagine someone who hates the "U" is twiittering the Gruden stuff so he can come out publicly and denounce the position.

Look for ex-USF HC Jim Leavitt to get an interview and a hard look. He already understand Florida recruiting and he is thirsty for some revenge on his old school. That's about all I got.

 
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Ministry of Pain said:
Hi everyone,Gruden is not coming to the Univ of Miami. Donna Shalayla wouldn't hire Mike Leach when Shannon interviewed for the job because he wore shorts to the interview. She made an opinion on the guy and used that as a way to not hire him because he also would have cost double what Shannon did. No way she ponies up to get Gruden and I'm not even sure Gruden would be a great college coach if you want to know the truth of it. He did not handle Simms very well in the NFL when he was a young QB, I can only imagine what he would do to college players that let him down.Also Miami cannot afford to have anyone publicly turn this job down and I imagine someone who hates the "U" is twiittering the Gruden stuff so he can come out publicly and denounce the position. Look for ex-USF HC Jim Leavitt to get an interview and a hard look. He already understand Florida recruiting and he is thirsty for some revenge on his old school. That's about all I got.
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Simms was never a very good QB. He wasn't in college and he wasn't as a pro ... the only thing that kid had was name value
 
basher said:
Ministry of Pain said:
Hi everyone,Gruden is not coming to the Univ of Miami. Donna Shalayla wouldn't hire Mike Leach when Shannon interviewed for the job because he wore shorts to the interview. She made an opinion on the guy and used that as a way to not hire him because he also would have cost double what Shannon did. No way she ponies up to get Gruden and I'm not even sure Gruden would be a great college coach if you want to know the truth of it. He did not handle Simms very well in the NFL when he was a young QB, I can only imagine what he would do to college players that let him down.Also Miami cannot afford to have anyone publicly turn this job down and I imagine someone who hates the "U" is twiittering the Gruden stuff so he can come out publicly and denounce the position. Look for ex-USF HC Jim Leavitt to get an interview and a hard look. He already understand Florida recruiting and he is thirsty for some revenge on his old school. That's about all I got.
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Simms was never a very good QB. He wasn't in college and he wasn't as a pro ... the only thing that kid had was name value
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Good not good was not the issue. He pressed on Simms and the kid had a ruptured spleen. Gruden didn't seem to care or didn't seem to be aware of what was wrong with him during and immediately after the game. Simms was only in his 2nd season IIRC. I lost a little respect for Grudent the coach that day as well as many other Bucs fans. Whoever said Miami does not pay enough...BINGO!!!
 
PlasmaDogPlasma said:
Really can't see Leavitt fitting with Miami's desire to have a cleaner image.
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He has a lot of other things going for him. Took a program from the ground up and Miami has bottomed out in many folks mind. He understands Florida recruitng and has connections with a lot of folks that can help bring kids here at Miami...SHannon was never chummy with the FL HS All Star game types. Shannon could walk into a few local Miami high schools sure but Leavitt has connections up and down the state and is welcome at most high schools and knows a lot of the coaches throughout Florida, that's HUGE. Alumni will eat him up and he has to be cheap after the way he left USF. I would hire him and I think a few influential folks are going to bend Donna's ear on this including the AD.
 
thehornet said:
switz said:
thehornet said:
FF Newbie said:
As much as he wants it, Gruden isn't getting the Cowboys job.
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LOL and totally wrong too.
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Wrong that he wants it? I agree.Not getting it? Absolutely true.Fact is, Gruden wasn't offered the Cowboys job, and nothing indicates he would be. So the title is totally incorrect.
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he doesnt want it and nobody (including you) knows if he's been offered it.
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He couldnt be offered it according to league rules.
 
Ministry of Pain said:
PlasmaDogPlasma said:
Really can't see Leavitt fitting with Miami's desire to have a cleaner image.
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He has a lot of other things going for him. Took a program from the ground up and Miami has bottomed out in many folks mind. He understands Florida recruitng and has connections with a lot of folks that can help bring kids here at Miami...SHannon was never chummy with the FL HS All Star game types. Shannon could walk into a few local Miami high schools sure but Leavitt has connections up and down the state and is welcome at most high schools and knows a lot of the coaches throughout Florida, that's HUGE. Alumni will eat him up and he has to be cheap after the way he left USF. I would hire him and I think a few influential folks are going to bend Donna's ear on this including the AD.
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I can't imagine a worse hire than Leavitt. You can't be a Canes fan.
 
kinghill said:
Ministry of Pain said:
PlasmaDogPlasma said:
Really can't see Leavitt fitting with Miami's desire to have a cleaner image.
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He has a lot of other things going for him. Took a program from the ground up and Miami has bottomed out in many folks mind. He understands Florida recruitng and has connections with a lot of folks that can help bring kids here at Miami...SHannon was never chummy with the FL HS All Star game types. Shannon could walk into a few local Miami high schools sure but Leavitt has connections up and down the state and is welcome at most high schools and knows a lot of the coaches throughout Florida, that's HUGE. Alumni will eat him up and he has to be cheap after the way he left USF. I would hire him and I think a few influential folks are going to bend Donna's ear on this including the AD.
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I can't imagine a worse hire than Leavitt. You can't be a Canes fan.
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I gave pretty good reasoning why and I'm a proud card carrying member of the university. Share why you think he would be such a horrible hire for the University. He took a nothing program and got them to #2 in the polls at one point. Can you name a few others you would like to see as potential hires? I'm not saying Leavitt is the perfect hire but I am betting he gets a phone call and he matches up with many of the Canes checklist including price. And why would Gruden make such an excellent choice at the college level?Let's have some real conversation or debate over just a 1 line stab.
 
Choke said:
thehornet said:
switz said:
thehornet said:
FF Newbie said:
As much as he wants it, Gruden isn't getting the Cowboys job.
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LOL and totally wrong too.
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Wrong that he wants it? I agree.Not getting it? Absolutely true.Fact is, Gruden wasn't offered the Cowboys job, and nothing indicates he would be. So the title is totally incorrect.
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he doesnt want it and nobody (including you) knows if he's been offered it.
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He couldnt be offered it according to league rules.
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:X
 
Ministry of Pain said:
kinghill said:
Ministry of Pain said:
PlasmaDogPlasma said:
Really can't see Leavitt fitting with Miami's desire to have a cleaner image.
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He has a lot of other things going for him. Took a program from the ground up and Miami has bottomed out in many folks mind. He understands Florida recruitng and has connections with a lot of folks that can help bring kids here at Miami...SHannon was never chummy with the FL HS All Star game types. Shannon could walk into a few local Miami high schools sure but Leavitt has connections up and down the state and is welcome at most high schools and knows a lot of the coaches throughout Florida, that's HUGE. Alumni will eat him up and he has to be cheap after the way he left USF. I would hire him and I think a few influential folks are going to bend Donna's ear on this including the AD.
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I can't imagine a worse hire than Leavitt. You can't be a Canes fan.
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I gave pretty good reasoning why and I'm a proud card carrying member of the university. Share why you think he would be such a horrible hire for the University. He took a nothing program and got them to #2 in the polls at one point. Can you name a few others you would like to see as potential hires? I'm not saying Leavitt is the perfect hire but I am betting he gets a phone call and he matches up with many of the Canes checklist including price. And why would Gruden make such an excellent choice at the college level?

Let's have some real conversation or debate over just a 1 line stab.
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Because parents aren't going to want their kids to sign with a coach who hits his players?
 
Leavitt's USF teams were talented but always lacked discipline, continually taking dumb penalties and refusing to play within the offense. Both Grothe and Daniels were always way too careless with the ball and Leavitt would just let it continue. When you're getting your lunch handed to you by the coaching mastermind that is Greg Schiano for four straight years, you have problems.

Have fun with him at Miami.

 
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Because parents aren't going to want their kids to sign with a coach who hits his players?
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I really think that's an ignorant view of everything that Leavitt did while at USF. I won't defend his action with the walk on you are pointing to but you make it sound like he hit all his players and that's not true. Leavitt did a lot of good while at USF but could not take the program any further and I doubt Skip Holtz will either.
 
RUSF18 said:
Leavitt's USF teams were talented but always lacked discipline, continually taking dumb penalties and refusing to play within the offense. Both Grothe and Daniels were always way too careless with the ball and Leavitt would just let it continue. When you're getting your lunch handed to you by the coaching mastermind that is Greg Schiano for four straight years, you have problems.

Have fun with him at Miami.
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We can relate.
 
Ministry of Pain said:
PlasmaDogPlasma said:
Because parents aren't going to want their kids to sign with a coach who hits his players?
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I really think that's an ignorant view of everything that Leavitt did while at USF. I won't defend his action with the walk on you are pointing to but you make it sound like he hit all his players and that's not true. Leavitt did a lot of good while at USF but could not take the program any further and I doubt Skip Holtz will either.
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I'm not arguing that he didn't do anything good or that it was that serious. I'm arguing that it would be a big negative in recruiting when opposing recruiters describe it to Momma as a brutal assault. Even for parents that know the real story it shows a lack of self-control and Leavitt's attempted cover-up shows a lack of character. Leavitt hasn't done enough and doesn't have a big enough name to overcome that kind of negative. I seriously doubt he ever coaches college football again.
 
Ministry of Pain said:
Hi everyone,Gruden is not coming to the Univ of Miami. Donna Shalayla wouldn't hire Mike Leach when Shannon interviewed for the job because he wore shorts to the interview. She made an opinion on the guy and used that as a way to not hire him because he also would have cost double what Shannon did. No way she ponies up to get Gruden and I'm not even sure Gruden would be a great college coach if you want to know the truth of it. He did not handle Simms very well in the NFL when he was a young QB, I can only imagine what he would do to college players that let him down.Also Miami cannot afford to have anyone publicly turn this job down and I imagine someone who hates the "U" is twiittering the Gruden stuff so he can come out publicly and denounce the position. Look for ex-USF HC Jim Leavitt to get an interview and a hard look. He already understand Florida recruiting and he is thirsty for some revenge on his old school. That's about all I got.
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Leavitt will NOT get a look at this job, I have first hand knowledge of that.There is serious interest between Gruden and the Canes.
 
I would have been of the thought that Gruden would be too expensive for my U. But, the South Florida Sun-Sentinel is reporting that it was Gruden who showed interest.

"According to a UM source, former NFL coach Jon Gruden initiated contact with the university to express his desire for the job and that the interest in mutual. Hocutt said there's no timeline on the hire and that money will not be an issue in the selection."

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/um-hurr...0,5548389.story

Personally, I would like to see the U go after Schiano, a former assistant in Coral Gables with great recruiting ties to South Florida. But if Gruden wants it, and can handle the pay, Gruden gets it.

 
I wonder if Charlie Strong will get a look. He's well respected in the state, is a good recruiter and may be relatively affordable. I know nothing about his current contract. His obvious drawback is only one year of college HC experience.

ETA: I'd be surprised if anyone with even moderate character concerns is hired. Shalala hired Shannon to, in part, clean up the program. He was successful in that regard. May Leavitt have too much baggage?

 
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Ministry of Pain said:
Hi everyone,Gruden is not coming to the Univ of Miami. Donna Shalayla wouldn't hire Mike Leach when Shannon interviewed for the job because he wore shorts to the interview. She made an opinion on the guy and used that as a way to not hire him because he also would have cost double what Shannon did. No way she ponies up to get Gruden and I'm not even sure Gruden would be a great college coach if you want to know the truth of it. He did not handle Simms very well in the NFL when he was a young QB, I can only imagine what he would do to college players that let him down.Also Miami cannot afford to have anyone publicly turn this job down and I imagine someone who hates the "U" is twiittering the Gruden stuff so he can come out publicly and denounce the position. Look for ex-USF HC Jim Leavitt to get an interview and a hard look. He already understand Florida recruiting and he is thirsty for some revenge on his old school. That's about all I got.
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Leavitt will NOT get a look at this job, I have first hand knowledge of that.There is serious interest between Gruden and the Canes.
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Why do you think Gruden will make a great hire as a college football coach? I love the name, and am a fan of his but not sure he can do it at the college level. Also, keep in mind that Miami is hated by many. Nothing worse for a program to have their lead candidate denouncing the position or saying they were never seriously interested. I have yet to see a credible link to real substance on this. I do think those that hate the U want to try and make it worse by throwing names out there that they can never get. People were not tripping over themselves to interview last time it was open, hence we got left deciding between Leach and Shannon who managed to wear a suit on the interview. When Gruden is spotted in Miami I'll believe he's serious. That guy can get $5 mill a season form a lot of NFL clubs. College is going to be $2.5-$3 mill tops especially the U which doesn't like to pay a lot for their head coaches. What's the appeal for Gruden? Why would he pass on ND last year and then gun for Miami? Doesn't make sense to me so I'm not buying the tweets just yet.
 
Ministry of Pain said:
The Ghost said:
Ministry of Pain said:
Hi everyone,Gruden is not coming to the Univ of Miami. Donna Shalayla wouldn't hire Mike Leach when Shannon interviewed for the job because he wore shorts to the interview. She made an opinion on the guy and used that as a way to not hire him because he also would have cost double what Shannon did. No way she ponies up to get Gruden and I'm not even sure Gruden would be a great college coach if you want to know the truth of it. He did not handle Simms very well in the NFL when he was a young QB, I can only imagine what he would do to college players that let him down.Also Miami cannot afford to have anyone publicly turn this job down and I imagine someone who hates the "U" is twiittering the Gruden stuff so he can come out publicly and denounce the position. Look for ex-USF HC Jim Leavitt to get an interview and a hard look. He already understand Florida recruiting and he is thirsty for some revenge on his old school. That's about all I got.
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Leavitt will NOT get a look at this job, I have first hand knowledge of that.There is serious interest between Gruden and the Canes.
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Why do you think Gruden will make a great hire as a college football coach? I love the name, and am a fan of his but not sure he can do it at the college level. Also, keep in mind that Miami is hated by many. Nothing worse for a program to have their lead candidate denouncing the position or saying they were never seriously interested. I have yet to see a credible link to real substance on this. I do think those that hate the U want to try and make it worse by throwing names out there that they can never get. People were not tripping over themselves to interview last time it was open, hence we got left deciding between Leach and Shannon who managed to wear a suit on the interview. When Gruden is spotted in Miami I'll believe he's serious. That guy can get $5 mill a season form a lot of NFL clubs. College is going to be $2.5-$3 mill tops especially the U which doesn't like to pay a lot for their head coaches. What's the appeal for Gruden? Why would he pass on ND last year and then gun for Miami? Doesn't make sense to me so I'm not buying the tweets just yet.
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Agreement in principle is in place. BOT is being notified of the proposed action.Talent we have, you know the guy can coach. I don't see how this could be anything but a home run hire. Recruiting will take care of itself.
 
The Ghost said:
Agreement in principle is in place. BOT is being notified of the proposed action.

Talent we have, you know the guy can coach. I don't see how this could be anything but a home run hire. Recruiting will take care of itself.
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I disagree on that point. And I'm not sure Miami has the talent to just win 12 games under Gruden
 
The Ghost said:
Ministry of Pain said:
Hi everyone,Gruden is not coming to the Univ of Miami. Donna Shalayla wouldn't hire Mike Leach when Shannon interviewed for the job because he wore shorts to the interview. She made an opinion on the guy and used that as a way to not hire him because he also would have cost double what Shannon did. No way she ponies up to get Gruden and I'm not even sure Gruden would be a great college coach if you want to know the truth of it. He did not handle Simms very well in the NFL when he was a young QB, I can only imagine what he would do to college players that let him down.Also Miami cannot afford to have anyone publicly turn this job down and I imagine someone who hates the "U" is twiittering the Gruden stuff so he can come out publicly and denounce the position. Look for ex-USF HC Jim Leavitt to get an interview and a hard look. He already understand Florida recruiting and he is thirsty for some revenge on his old school. That's about all I got.
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Leavitt will NOT get a look at this job, I have first hand knowledge of that.There is serious interest between Gruden and the Canes.
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this
 
Ministry of Pain said:
The Ghost said:
Agreement in principle is in place. BOT is being notified of the proposed action.

Talent we have, you know the guy can coach. I don't see how this could be anything but a home run hire. Recruiting will take care of itself.
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I disagree on that point. And I'm not sure Miami has the talent to just win 12 games under Gruden
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I agree that he will have to learn how to recruit in the future, but I do not think that will be a problem As you know, he is extremely passionate about football. Kids will want to play for him. Luckily, south Florida is full of extremely talented kids each year. Its a great day to be a Cane
 
the finebaum network ( one of the most poular sportstalk radio shows in the US and well connected to the college football inner-dealings) stated mannay navarro of the miami herald is claiming jon gruden will be the next miami coach for 3.4 million a year.................

 
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Peter King calling B.S.
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I think it will be a process and I think Gruden's name was tossed out by over eager media and those that hate the U as I stated earlier. I'm not going to claim inside info but most know my wife works for the U, I go there, and I'm not a traditional student age so I've gotten to meet Shalala a few times at functions. The whole Gruden thing is really not her style. I'm not saying he could not get the job but she likes to take her time and not rush into things.And Donna wears the pants at Miami if you catch my drift. Also Randy Shannon was told going in to clean things up and no arrests. One guy was arrested, Robert Mavre and he now is playing at Purdue...you get it?I'm accused of not being a fan here and that has nothing to do with it. You can hate on Randy but he did what he was asked to do by the person who wears the pants there. Prseident Shalala is not a win at all costs type.
 
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Miami AD, Kirby Hocutt went to Kansas State University frm 1991-1995 and was a 4 year Letterman at MLB. Jim Leavitt was the LB coach and the DC for KSU from 1990-1995 so there is a pretty strong connection there.

Just saying.

 
Ministry of Pain said:
PennStater77 said:
Peter King calling B.S.
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I think it will be a process and I think Gruden's name was tossed out by over eager media and those that hate the U as I stated earlier. I'm not going to claim inside info but most know my wife works for the U, I go there, and I'm not a traditional student age so I've gotten to meet Shalala a few times at functions. The whole Gruden thing is really not her style. I'm not saying he could not get the job but she likes to take her time and not rush into things.And Donna wears the pants at Miami if you catch my drift. Also Randy Shannon was told going in to clean things up and no arrests. One guy was arrested, Robert Mavre and he now is playing at Purdue...you get it?I'm accused of not being a fan here and that has nothing to do with it. You can hate on Randy but he did what he was asked to do by the person who wears the pants there. Prseident Shalala is not a win at all costs type.
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I said it before, when hiring and firing these college coaches, the A.D is a talking head and that's it, someone to go in front of the camera. The rich alumni hold the cards.
 
Clash of the Titans said:
the finebaum network ( one of the most poular sportstalk radio shows in the US and well connected to the college football inner-dealings) stated mannay navarro of the miami herald is claiming jon gruden will be the next miami coach for 3.4 million a year.................
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There is no chance Gruden will take a college job. The reason you can include Dallas as a "college job" is the presence of Jerry Jones. This is nothing more than mostly fan hysteria/exuberance and maybe a little rumor-mongering by Gruden's agent in advance of his auction/return to the NFL after this season.
 
Ministry of Pain said:
Miami AD, Kirby Hocutt went to Kansas State University frm 1991-1995 and was a 4 year Letterman at MLB. Jim Leavitt was the LB coach and the DC for KSU from 1990-1995 so there is a pretty strong connection there. Just saying.
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A school with disciplined problems Miami is trying to erase, Leavitt would be a horrible coach. USF was so undisciplined his last few years.If Miami is willing to throw money, I would look at Harbaugh at Stanford, even though I think Michigan holds him. Also Peterson, Gary Patterson.Peterson may go..
 
Even ignoring the controversy, IMO Leavitt will never coach at a major university. He is an organizational train wreck. He wants to control every detail, and ends up not controlling any. Running a Major college program is too much for him.

 
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