Guy is road killing deer for profit (1 Viewer)

[glock]

videos = but also

I never tried to picture what this would look like.

 

[Copeman]

I'd be a little upset with this story but after a night about 5 years ago, when I was driving along a highway in my nice SUV, a deer came out of nowhere and my SUV was totaled. I was pretty freakin mad. And it was dangerous. A worse driver, or an older one, or a woman might have freaked and hit some other cars, causing more damage/death. I have no sympathy for these animals anymore. Totaled my SUV which I just paid off, had to get another vehicle which of course insurance didn't nearly cover, so more $ out of my pocket. Higher insurance rate now with a newer vehicle. Plus all the crap that went along with it. Kill em all I say.

 

[glock]

I'd be a little upset with this story but after a night about 5 years ago, when I was driving along a highway in my nice SUV, a deer came out of nowhere and my SUV was totaled. I was pretty freakin mad. And it was dangerous. A worse driver, or an older one, or a woman might have freaked and hit some other cars, causing more damage/death. I have no sympathy for these animals anymore. Totaled my SUV which I just paid off, had to get another vehicle which of course insurance didn't nearly cover, so more $ out of my pocket. Higher insurance rate now with a newer vehicle. Plus all the crap that went along with it. Kill em all I say.

"KILL, KILL, KIIILLL!!" -Arlo Guthrie

 

[Sheriff Bart]

Do we know if he wears a cat shirt?

I don't hunt.

 

[cstu]

I'd be a little upset with this story but after a night about 5 years ago, when I was driving along a highway in my nice SUV, a deer came out of nowhere and my SUV was totaled. I was pretty freakin mad. And it was dangerous. A worse driver, or an older one, or a woman might have freaked and hit some other cars, causing more damage/death. I have no sympathy for these animals anymore. Totaled my SUV which I just paid off, had to get another vehicle which of course insurance didn't nearly cover, so more $ out of my pocket. Higher insurance rate now with a newer vehicle. Plus all the crap that went along with it. Kill em all I say.

You can definitely tell by the posts in this thread who has lived in deer overpopulated areas and who hasn't. While what this guy is doing isn't "nice" to the animals, they are the ones standing in the road causing potentially deadly consequences for drivers.

 

[benm3218]

I'd be a little upset with this story but after a night about 5 years ago, when I was driving along a highway in my nice SUV, a deer came out of nowhere and my SUV was totaled. I was pretty freakin mad. And it was dangerous. A worse driver, or an older one, or a woman might have freaked and hit some other cars, causing more damage/death. I have no sympathy for these animals anymore. Totaled my SUV which I just paid off, had to get another vehicle which of course insurance didn't nearly cover, so more $ out of my pocket. Higher insurance rate now with a newer vehicle. Plus all the crap that went along with it. Kill em all I say.

You can definitely tell by the posts in this thread who has lived in deer overpopulated areas and who hasn't. While what this guy is doing isn't "nice" to the animals, they are the ones standing in the road causing potentially deadly consequences for drivers.

EXACTLY. I cant figure out the issue here. Should he not have beefed up his truck?

 

[glock]

I'd be a little upset with this story but after a night about 5 years ago, when I was driving along a highway in my nice SUV, a deer came out of nowhere and my SUV was totaled. I was pretty freakin mad. And it was dangerous. A worse driver, or an older one, or a woman might have freaked and hit some other cars, causing more damage/death. I have no sympathy for these animals anymore. Totaled my SUV which I just paid off, had to get another vehicle which of course insurance didn't nearly cover, so more $ out of my pocket. Higher insurance rate now with a newer vehicle. Plus all the crap that went along with it. Kill em all I say.

You can definitely tell by the posts in this thread who has lived in deer overpopulated areas and who hasn't. While what this guy is doing isn't "nice" to the animals, they are the ones standing in the road causing potentially deadly consequences for drivers.

This guy nails them as they run across the road! It's the arcade game I've been waiting for!! I'm calling a developer now!

 

[Jewell]

You can definitely tell by the posts in this thread who has lived in deer overpopulated areas and who hasn't. While what this guy is doing isn't "nice" to the animals, they are the ones standing in the road causing potentially deadly consequences for drivers.

So you run them over for fun? WHEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I lived in Wisconsin for five years and never once did I have the desire to build up a head of steam and run over a deer. To each their own... I guess?

 

[Maroney=Sped]

What that guy is doing is not cool at all. Is it worse to roadkill a deer for profit or roadkill a deer for this?

Exactly how is this guy profiting?

he's selling DVDs. doubt many people are buying.

"I put the Bam! in 'Bambi'."

 

[Joseph]

I wish this guy lived near me. I probably pass 1 new roadkill deer/week on my way to work, and have to slam on the brakes to avoid hitting one myself probably once a month.

Some towns around here have "Bait and shoot" programs where they lure deer into a specific area where the town pays hunters to hang out overnight and shoot them (Amherst, NY being a prominent example). I'm sure they'd love to have some guy like this doing it on his own.

These programs have their problems (google it to see what I mean), but it doesn't change the fact that deer overpopulation is a huge problem in many parts of the country. At least if it was rats, they wouldn't cause damage to vehicles, and nobody would care if they were being killed by the hundreds.

 

[glock]

What that guy is doing is not cool at all. Is it worse to roadkill a deer for profit or roadkill a deer for this?

Exactly how is this guy profiting?

he's selling DVDs. doubt many people are buying.

"I put the Bam! in 'Bambi'."

...and I usually break the "Bambi killer's" chops...

 

[hooter311]

You can definitely tell by the posts in this thread who has lived in deer overpopulated areas and who hasn't. While what this guy is doing isn't "nice" to the animals, they are the ones standing in the road causing potentially deadly consequences for drivers.

So you run them over for fun? WHEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I lived in Wisconsin for five years and never once did I have the desire to build up a head of steam and run over a deer. To each their own... I guess?

I've lived in Wisconsin for 10 years and have had two friends die in separate deer related automobile accidents.

 

[Jewell]

You can definitely tell by the posts in this thread who has lived in deer overpopulated areas and who hasn't. While what this guy is doing isn't "nice" to the animals, they are the ones standing in the road causing potentially deadly consequences for drivers.

So you run them over for fun? WHEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I lived in Wisconsin for five years and never once did I have the desire to build up a head of steam and run over a deer. To each their own... I guess?

I've lived in Wisconsin for 10 years and have had two friends die in separate deer related automobile accidents.

I'm sorry to hear that. Nearly everybody I know from Wisconsin has hit a deer at one time. I didn't, but I had to swerve to avoid them on several ocassions. And you're right -- people do die. To me, though, that's even more reason to not hit them intentionally. You never know if they'll fly up and go through your windshield.

 

[hooter311]

You can definitely tell by the posts in this thread who has lived in deer overpopulated areas and who hasn't. While what this guy is doing isn't "nice" to the animals, they are the ones standing in the road causing potentially deadly consequences for drivers.

So you run them over for fun? WHEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I lived in Wisconsin for five years and never once did I have the desire to build up a head of steam and run over a deer. To each their own... I guess?

I've lived in Wisconsin for 10 years and have had two friends die in separate deer related automobile accidents.

I'm sorry to hear that. Nearly everybody I know from Wisconsin has hit a deer at one time. I didn't, but I had to swerve to avoid them on several ocassions. And you're right -- people do die. To me, though, that's even more reason to not hit them intentionally. You never know if they'll fly up and go through your windshield.

You're better off speeding up than slowing down to preserve your own momentum and to keep from losing control before or after hitting them. Swerving is usually not the right thing to do because you put yourself at risk for hitting it anyways at a worse angle or hitting another one you didn't see with it, or just going off the road. Not saying that this guy is doing the right thing. This is something I would never do. But I have no problem with him doing it and I agree with him that he has saved a least 1 life.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

Is his truck named "Thumper"?

 

[newteech]

People who enjoy killing animals for fun typically progress to killing the highest order of animals.

Wait, wut?

Dolphins was the correct answer.

 

[glock]

Is his truck named "Thumper"?

That would be if he was running down wabbits...

 

[Chaz McNulty]

I'd be a little upset with this story but after a night about 5 years ago, when I was driving along a highway in my nice SUV, a deer came out of nowhere and my SUV was totaled. I was pretty freakin mad. And it was dangerous. A worse driver, or an older one, or a woman might have freaked and hit some other cars, causing more damage/death. I have no sympathy for these animals anymore. Totaled my SUV which I just paid off, had to get another vehicle which of course insurance didn't nearly cover, so more $ out of my pocket. Higher insurance rate now with a newer vehicle. Plus all the crap that went along with it. Kill em all I say.

 

[sho nuff]

If he just built the truck and made videos if he hit some...fine.

But he did actually swerve over to hit one of them...and the just driving over them after ward like its all fine is the other problem I have.

Stupid deer though should learn not to run in front of that guy.

 

[Brutis]

You can definitely tell by the posts in this thread who has lived in deer overpopulated areas and who hasn't. While what this guy is doing isn't "nice" to the animals, they are the ones standing in the road causing potentially deadly consequences for drivers.

So you run them over for fun? WHEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I lived in Wisconsin for five years and never once did I have the desire to build up a head of steam and run over a deer. To each their own... I guess?

I've lived in Wisconsin for 10 years and have had two friends die in separate deer related automobile accidents.

I total'd my dads car in Maine from one of those damn deer running out into road like they own it!!

 

[Maroney=Sped]

You can definitely tell by the posts in this thread who has lived in deer overpopulated areas and who hasn't. While what this guy is doing isn't "nice" to the animals, they are the ones standing in the road causing potentially deadly consequences for drivers.

So you run them over for fun? WHEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I lived in Wisconsin for five years and never once did I have the desire to build up a head of steam and run over a deer. To each their own... I guess?

I've lived in Wisconsin for 10 years and have had two friends die in separate deer related automobile accidents.

I total'd my dads car in Maine from one of those damn deer running out into road like they own it!!

It's the same with me out here in California, except it's with illegal aliens.

 

[Brutis]

You can definitely tell by the posts in this thread who has lived in deer overpopulated areas and who hasn't. While what this guy is doing isn't "nice" to the animals, they are the ones standing in the road causing potentially deadly consequences for drivers.

So you run them over for fun? WHEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I lived in Wisconsin for five years and never once did I have the desire to build up a head of steam and run over a deer. To each their own... I guess?

I've lived in Wisconsin for 10 years and have had two friends die in separate deer related automobile accidents.

I total'd my dads car in Maine from one of those damn deer running out into road like they own it!!

It's the same with me out here in California, except it's with illegal aliens.

Awesome

 

[Super King]

I'd be a little upset with this story but after a night about 5 years ago, when I was driving along a highway in my nice SUV, a deer came out of nowhere and my SUV was totaled. I was pretty freakin mad. And it was dangerous. A worse driver, or an older one, or a woman might have freaked and hit some other cars, causing more damage/death. I have no sympathy for these animals anymore. Totaled my SUV which I just paid off, had to get another vehicle which of course insurance didn't nearly cover, so more $ out of my pocket. Higher insurance rate now with a newer vehicle. Plus all the crap that went along with it. Kill em all I say.

You can definitely tell by the posts in this thread who has lived in deer overpopulated areas and who hasn't. While what this guy is doing isn't "nice" to the animals, they are the ones standing in the road causing potentially deadly consequences for drivers.

Be kinda nice driving around not worrying about destroying your vehicle (since its reinforced like a mother####er)

 

[S.K.A.]

What this guy is doing is wrong. I live in an area where there are plenty of animals on the road, but that doesn't give me a license to drive like a maniac. He isn't thinning the herd for the sake of humanity. Population numbers are managed by the local game & fish department through managed hunts.

If it was cats, I'd be on board though. F'n cats.

 

[Crimson Hawk]

CHECK THIS OUT: http://deergonewild.com/

ETA: It looks like he got busted. lol.

 

[Pisgah Flying Pigmen]

Probably same guy, now indicted.

http://www.myjournalcourier.com/news/charg...tions-hayn.html

 

[S.K.A.]

Good to see him get his coming uppance.

 

[Das Boot]

This is surely a slippery slope.

 

[ichris]

Now where do I go to see the videos?

 

[Otis]

What if he were counting his squirrel or skunk kills, would people have a problem with it? What's so special about a deer?

Sort of a fair point here. And why is shooting them for sport any nicer?

 

[newteech]

What if he were counting his squirrel or skunk kills, would people have a problem with it? What's so special about a deer?

Sort of a fair point here. And why is shooting them for sport any nicer?

It's nicer because the shooting method is most likely a quick kill. Instead of them waiting to die for hours all mangled up in the ditch... just because some redneck thought it would be funny to purposely mow down live animals.

 

[Otis]

What if he were counting his squirrel or skunk kills, would people have a problem with it? What's so special about a deer?

Sort of a fair point here. And why is shooting them for sport any nicer?

It's nicer because the shooting method is most likely a quick kill. Instead of them waiting to die for hours all mangled up in the ditch... just because some redneck thought it would be funny to purposely mow down live animals.

How do we know they are waiting to die for hours in a ditch?And "just because some redneck thought it would be funny to purposely mow down live animals" could just as easily read "just because some redneck thought it would be funny to purposely mow down shoot live animals."

 

[glumpy]

deer have little to no natural predators anymore. they eat/trample crops (ate all my peaches ). they run out in front of cars, causing extensive repair bills. the guy claims he doesn't intentionally run into them...he just doesn't try to avoid them.

For some reason I can't get into the video so I don't know what kind of jackleg he might be--but this post by 3C's sounds like my situation. For 20-some years where I lived the place was overrun with deer. They were so comfortable around my place that the herds would wander through with no regard to me being there; I didn't hunt them on my property with plenty of other areas around--though once in awhile, year round, you would hear a single shot when folks were bagging supper for the night. The deer wiped out my peaches and plums (you would swear they could climb trees), took out the apples (which I didn't care about anyway), left me the garden and the figs (mostly). They didn't seem to care much about the pecans or the cherries though I saw them testing those out too--my fight there was with the squirrels and birds respectively.

Country roads--the rule of thumb when they jump in front of you is Don't dodge them! If you do--you're off the road, into the ditch, with major problems. It's hard to teach your friends and significant others to just use brakes and not swerve when they see deer--hell, it's instinctive for most to try to avoid the hit. A friend of mine who was entirely in line with this attitude still couldn't stop himself--once--and after rolling the truck a few times has issues with his shoulder and hip to this day.

What we all did was make sure to have comprehensive insurance on the vehicles, and I kept a knife in each so that when I did hit one--I was ready for field dressing so it could go into the pot.

Interestingly--where I am now the deer seem to be a little smarter. I've seen two down in the past three years--one as I was watching in front of my house--but nowhere near the numbers around the previous homestead. There are also more bucks out in the open--which was rare before. Now it's the overwhelming number of cyclers to avoid on the road.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

What if he were counting his squirrel or skunk kills, would people have a problem with it? What's so special about a deer?

Sort of a fair point here. And why is shooting them for sport any nicer?

Can't help but wonder the same thing. If he had strapped a camera on his backback and used a gun, these videos would be legit "hunting videos". I'm sure there's tons of deer who run around in pain and die 12 hours later from blood loss from drunk bad-shot hunters who hit them in the hip. I'm not seeing what the net difference is here, in terms of cruelty or net result.

 

[Flying V]

What if he were counting his squirrel or skunk kills, would people have a problem with it? What's so special about a deer?

Sort of a fair point here. And why is shooting them for sport any nicer?

Can't help but wonder the same thing. If he had strapped a camera on his backback and used a gun, these videos would be legit "hunting videos".

I'm sure there's tons of deer who run around in pain and die 12 hours later from blood loss from drunk bad-shot hunters who hit them in the hip. I'm not seeing what the net difference is here, in terms of cruelty or net result.

But the bad shots aren't aiming for the hip. They want a clean kill even if it doesn't work out that way. And a roadkill wastes a lot of meat compared to a heart shot deer. (Because let's face it, if you aren't going to eat what you kill, you're just sick in the head. Although I'm a trophy hunter, I've never shot anything I didn't intend to eat.)From a hunter's POV, there is a big difference. From the deer's POV, not so much.

 

[S.K.A.]

Just so I am clear, some of you fine folks are unable to see a difference between hunting and driving at a high rate of speed at night, swerving all over the road to hit any piece of the deer possible?

I don't buy it.

No one does more for wildlife management, habitat and health than sportsmen. This guy is on the other end of the spectrum.

Rather than playing dumb, why don't some of you folks just start an anti-hunt thread. Trying to equivocate this tool with hunting is intellectually dishonest.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

But the bad shots aren't aiming for the hip. They want a clean kill even if it doesn't work out that way.....

So intent is what matters here, not the end result?

why don't some of you folks just start an anti-hunt thread. Trying to equivocate this tool with hunting is intellectually dishonest.

I'm not anti-hunting. FWIW, I think you trying to say that there's a huge moral difference between what this guy does and what hunters do is intellectually dishonest. (note, I'm not saying it's exactly the same thing -- I just don't think it's very far off). It would make a lot more sense to me if you were outraged about this and against hunting.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

I'll play devil's advocate. Why is this worse than hunting deer with a rifle?

It's actually better. Using a gun aint even fair. Gives the deer a fighting chance of escape.

 

[packersfan]

You can definitely tell by the posts in this thread who has lived in deer overpopulated areas and who hasn't. While what this guy is doing isn't "nice" to the animals, they are the ones standing in the road causing potentially deadly consequences for drivers.

So you run them over for fun? WHEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I lived in Wisconsin for five years and never once did I have the desire to build up a head of steam and run over a deer. To each their own... I guess?

I'm in Wisconsin and three times I've had deer come flying out of the woods and smash into my car. At no point have I ever hit a deer. They've all ran smack into my car. Not only do I think they are arguably the dumbest animals alive, but they cause extensive repair damage and as noted earlier, if they smash into cars driven by elderly drivers or lesser drivers they could cause serious injuries or fatalities. I have no desire to build up a head of steam and run over a deer either, but I have no problems with anyone who does.

 

[Flying V]

But the bad shots aren't aiming for the hip. They want a clean kill even if it doesn't work out that way.....

So intent is what matters here, not the end result?

Of course. Until they deny hunting licenses to poor shots, at least.

 

[Chaka]

No one does more for wildlife management, habitat and health than sportsmen.

Is that what they're calling it?I believe in hunting for food but the primary reason hunters need to do 'wildlife management' in the first place is because humans already killed all of the natural predators in the region allowing deer to propagate uncontrolled.Plenty of hunters do it for the simple pleasure of killing.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

What that guy is doing is not cool at all. Is it worse to roadkill a deer for profit or roadkill a deer for this?

lawyers motion to dismisshttp://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?free101

the comments are hilarious

Free Bryan Hathaway

View Current Signatures - Sign the Petition

To: All People Who Believe In Progress

A caring and loving relationship with a consenting dead animal on the side of the road is a constitutional right of every American regardless of ethnic, religious, or economic background.

Bryan James Hathaway is a young minority activist from Wisconsin who has been on the forefront of progressive struggle for the liberation of inanimate objects, plants, animals, and household appliances. His selfless devotion to fighting speciism and necrophobia in our society has led him to be brutally persecuted, tortured, and incarcerated - all for a laughable "crime" of "sexual gratification with a dead deer on the side of the road." As if his prior conviction of "horsing around" had not been enough, the bigoted ruling class is once again making him the whipping boy of their own suppressed anxieties, fantasies, and desires.

As if the judges, the persecutors, and the police have never had sexual fantasies as they drove past roadkill - a juicy squirrel or a skunk - or as they visited a funeral, petted a neighbor's dog, fed guppies in a fish tank, or handled a toaster? I know I do - just as every other broadminded human being on planet Earth!

Every generation should have a moral assignment, and one of ours should be justice for Bryan James Hathaway!

Free Hathaway and all prisoners of conscience!

Long live our collective commitment to sexual liberation of inanimate objects!

Sincerely,

The Undersigned

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Google seacrh for "bryan james hathaway"

The images listed are pretty darkly funny.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

LMAO I'm crying I'm laughing so hard.

LOL

http://terpsboy.com/blogger6/deerlove.jpg

 

[Flying V]

Plenty of hunters do it for the simple pleasure of killing.

I hope you're wrong about that. I know many hunters that either kill more than they can possibly eat or don't eat the meat at all. But at least they give the meat to whoever wants it. I'm not sure why they do it. But to kill just because you like killing? I can't wrap my head around that one. I wonder how many serial killers started out as avid hunters.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Probably same guy, now indicted.

http://www.myjournalcourier.com/news/charg...tions-hayn.html

What BS. The statute itself is prolly unconst to begin with, but applying it to this guy is a stretch. They'll lose. This is a PR move.

Deer diary: Man charged in collision videos

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Indictment claims ‘Deer Commander' tried to sell road kill DVDs

April 16, 2010 4:15 AM

BY DENNIS GRUBAUGH

Journal-Courier

A hearing is set for next week in a bizarre case against a Kampsville man accused of running over deer with his vehicle, filming the episodes, and selling them on DVDs.

Federal authorities this month unsealed an indictment returned March 11 by a federal grand jury in St. Louis. The case was kept under wraps until the man who is charged, Jarrod Lee Hayn, was taken into federal custody. He since has posted bail and been released.

Hayn, 38, is charged with possession of depictions of animal cruelty with intent to place those depictions in interstate commerce for commercial gain. He also is charged with sale of those depictions.

The indictment contends that between April 15, 2009, and Nov. 18, Hayn possessed DVDs titled "The Deer Commander — Sudden Impact." The recording is said to depict deer that were hit, maimed and killed with a vehicle driven on public roads with the intention of making money.

A second count accuses Hayn of selling the DVD on Nov. 12.

Federal law defines depiction of animal cruelty to mean any visual or auditory depictions, including any video recording, electronic image or sound recording in which a living animal is intentionally maimed, mutilated, tortured, wounded or killed, if such conduct is illegal under the law of the state in which the creation, sale or possession takes place.

Illinois law, according to the indictment, stipulates that no person or owner may beat, cruelly treat, torment, starve, overwork or otherwise abuse any animal. No owner may abandon any animal where it may become a public charge or may suffer injury, hunger or exposure.

The facts surrounding the Hayn case remain under wraps. Assistant U.S. Attorney Raymond Meyer said he could not comment at this point.

Hayn could not be reached. A woman answering the phone at his Calhoun County residence Thursday said he was not home but that she would leave him a message asking for comment.

Defense attorney Edward Fanning of Hardin was in court Thursday and unavailable for comment.

Interestingly, the U.S. Supreme Court now is considering a case from Pennsylvania in which a man charged in a similar animal cruelty case is pleading that the video he produced was protected under his First Amendment rights. The solicitor general division of the U.S. Department of Justice maintains that the video is not protected speech.

At issue in U.S. vs. Stevens is whether Congress overstepped its authority in 1999 when it passed a law barring the creation, sale or possession of any depiction of animal cruelty with the intent to distribute and sell it.

A decision against the United States could have ramifications in the case involving Hayn, but Meyer would not comment.

No trial date has been set. Hayn's lawyer has filed a motion for an extension of time to obtain evidentiary materials, as well as to determine whether further motions are to be filed.

A motion hearing is set April 22 before Magistrate Judge Thomas C. Mummert III in U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Missouri.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

What if he were counting his squirrel or skunk kills, would people have a problem with it? What's so special about a deer?

Sort of a fair point here. And why is shooting them for sport any nicer?

It's nicer because the shooting method is most likely a quick kill. Instead of them waiting to die for hours all mangled up in the ditch... just because some redneck thought it would be funny to purposely mow down live animals.

meh.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

But the bad shots aren't aiming for the hip. They want a clean kill even if it doesn't work out that way.....

So intent is what matters here, not the end result?

why don't some of you folks just start an anti-hunt thread. Trying to equivocate this tool with hunting is intellectually dishonest.

I'm not anti-hunting. FWIW, I think you trying to say that there's a huge moral difference between what this guy does and what hunters do is intellectually dishonest. (note, I'm not saying it's exactly the same thing -- I just don't think it's very far off). It would make a lot more sense to me if you were outraged about this and against hunting.

in court it is...

 

[jon_mx]

So when does car-season on deer open?

 

[Chaka]

Plenty of hunters do it for the simple pleasure of killing.

I hope you're wrong about that. I know many hunters that either kill more than they can possibly eat or don't eat the meat at all. But at least they give the meat to whoever wants it. I'm not sure why they do it. But to kill just because you like killing? I can't wrap my head around that one. I wonder how many serial killers started out as avid hunters.

Using the meat doesn't mean they aren't hunting for the pleasure of killing.