Cold Dead Hands
Footballguy
What you are describing is a symptom of an autoimmune disease, not a normal function of the immune system.
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Had Covid did u vax? (1 Viewer)
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IC FBGCav
Footballguy
I think the vax can be detrimental to dealing with variants. I don't know but I know as much as you do saying it is doing well against them.
IC FBGCav
Footballguy
Why do u need a flu shot every year? Does this principal not apply here? Do you get a flu shot after having the flu?
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IC FBGCav
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
IC FBGCav
Footballguy
Let me say, if I didn't have covid, I would have got the vax.
The vax triggers your immune system to go against covid.
I think any research you tell you this vax would do the job if deployed before it was wide spread. Now all the people screaming its safe and we know its safe don't know.
What happens when you deliver a vax during a pandemic which leads to variants. You don't get variants if delivered before a pandemic. We are truly in new territory here.
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Nathan R. Jessep
Footballguy
For the record, it's not what "I know." I'm just a data analyst. Rather, it's what epidemiologists are saying after analyzation of what troves of data from all over the world has shown. Particularly from the areas where the more troublesome variants have originated.
I'm not sure I'm following you on how it can be detrimental, can you unpack that a bit? I mean, at some point, yes, there could be a variant that can evade the antibodies that the vaccine currently provides (which is when a newly programmed booster would need to be added to the regimen), but worst case, you'd get infected by that strain (just like the flu shot can't protect from all strains because they are constantly changing). Meaning the vaccine would be useless against that particular variant. But it's still effective against the other variants. Are you suggesting that the vaccine, when it meets the new variant that it's not programmed for, would harm your body?
Nathan R. Jessep
Footballguy
You need a flu shot yearly because they are constantly chasing the variants. The short answer is we don't know if it applies to COVID yet. They said early on that it would likely be a seasonal shot like the flu. But all the data thus far on the currently available COVID vaccines shows them to be effective against all known COVID variants. IIRC, Moderna and Pfizer were the top performers against variants, but J&J and a couple of the other ones used aboard were also effective against variants, just not quite as effective as the big 2.
IC FBGCav
Footballguy
Yes, I think there is a huge difference between giving a vax to protect against covid before a pandemic than during a pandemic. If you look on this principal alone it makes a difference.
Also getting the vax changes how your immune system will react to a virus. If we were vax before this was wide spread, there wouldn't be as many or no variants.
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Is it variants of the flu or different strains of the influenza virus that they try and predict which will be prevelant that year? I think there's a difference.
The Commish
Footballguy
It's not enough for them to "change" or create new proteins. The target proteins would have to go away completely. At that point the mRNA instruction would be pointless. The immune system would be looking for something that no longer exists. At that point, we'd have to send another marker to look for. Right now, they target the "S" protein, or the "spike" protein since it is what allows the virus to enter our cells. The virus would have to develop an entirely new infection method and shed the existing method for this scenario to come into play.
She has no idea what you mean with the bold. Makes no sense to her. The mRNA vaccine is simply instructions to look for a particular protein. It doesn't send antibodies anywhere. Your immune system does that based on the instructions given.
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Nathan R. Jessep
Footballguy
Those are the same thing, no? I know here, at least in recent years, the flu tests test for Type A, Type B and maybe some others. I don't know enough about how they classify those "types" but it's my understanding is the reason it is constantly evolving (similarly to the common cold coronavirus) due to new mutations/strains. I don't think it's just swapping between 2 types each year, where they're just flipping a coin. But I could be wrong about that.
I thought of variants of mutations of THIS coronavirus and strains as all the other coronaviruses that already exist.
And actually I thought it was what they do each year. They basically take educated guesses on the existing flu strains that will be dominant that flu season.
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Looking at this I think we both are kind of right.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/whats-the-difference-between-mutations-variants-and-strains-a-guide-to-covid-terminology-154825
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/prevent/vaccine-selection.htm
https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/whats-the-difference-between-mutations-variants-and-strains-a-guide-to-covid-terminology-154825
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/prevent/vaccine-selection.htm
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notoriousbill
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Chris B.
Footballguy
That's fine. No need to get defensive.
There are people your same position that could use information to make their decision. But if you don't want to share an educated thought process, then whatever.
