Hail to the Redskins! (1 Viewer)

[JZilla]

JZilla, what is the genesis of your being a Panthers fan?

I'm from the area. That's my home team. I don't live there now but I don't really have a choice unless I want to abandon my kids. I'll be back there in ten years.

 

[JZilla]

Yeah, lets just agree to disagree here. No real point in arguing. I do question what is so different about sports compared to any of the other examples I brought up. Why is that the only time you can't root for two teams/people?

You can root, just in sports, you're not a FAN if you would root against that team in any circumstance, IMO.Music and actors are completely different. Those people don't compete against each other. I don't consider the Oscars or the Grammies real competition like sports. The point of their jobs is to sell movies, albums, concert tickets, not to get BS awards. Doesn't compare to sports in anyway, where their job is to defeat everyone else on the field of play.

Damn this busted quote function

If the Giants and Colts played in the Super Bowl, would you say that Archie Manning cannot be a fan of both of his sons?

Archie is a Saints fan.

So, Archie Manning is not a fan of the teams that his sons play on? LOL...ok...I'm just going to drop this whole issue then if you think that.

Cool. I thought we already had.Either way, you can't use the Archie Manning argument since you don't have any kids in the NFL. I'm assuming here.

 

[fatness]

I see. So you're crediting us with the win in week 10 then?

 

[DoctorDetroit]

Last year, I said multiple times that the Skins D was far and away the best in the league. The only reason that they weren't at the top of the league statistically was because the offense last year was incredibly mistake-prone and they left the D in terrible shape all the time.  However, from watching them, I could tell that they (Redskins) were amazing.

The Redskins will be in every game this year because they have a great(not good, but great) defense.Their offense and special teams will produce a few big plays here and there which will be sufficient. Otherwise, they will minimize their mistakes on offense.

I predict that the Skins finish 10-6 and enter the playoffs as a wild card(just like the Ravens did). Then if they get hot at the right time, they could make a similar run.

It was a nice call early in the season but you seem to imply you were on the bandwagoon since the end of 05 yet you had them as the 24th best team a few weeks before this post started... You even had them finishing behind the Jets, Detroit and the Niners!

Tier #6

20. NY Jets- will cut them a little slack, but man, they looked bad.

21. Detroit- a win is a win, I guess

22. SF- see Miami

23. Minnesota- see NY Jets

24. Washington- see Detroit

LINK

He's no prognosticator for sure. Check out a few teams from tier 4:

[Tier #4

7. NO- Think this is too high? Well this team has quietly won 5 games in a row including 2 over everyone's trendy SB pick, Carolina. Major points for a tough road win this week.

8. Jacksonville- This team looks like they're for real

9. Buffalo- see Jacksonville

10. Baltimore- see Philly]

Yipes.

 

[Pat Patriot]

Yeah, lets just agree to disagree here. No real point in arguing. I do question what is so different about sports compared to any of the other examples I brought up. Why is that the only time you can't root for two teams/people?

You dont understand that it is different being a fan of a player (his son) as opposed to being a fan of a team? If he has 5 sons in the league, he can a fan of all 5 sons but he can still only be a true fan of 1 team.You can root, just in sports, you're not a FAN if you would root against that team in any circumstance, IMO.

Music and actors are completely different. Those people don't compete against each other. I don't consider the Oscars or the Grammies real competition like sports. The point of their jobs is to sell movies, albums, concert tickets, not to get BS awards. Doesn't compare to sports in anyway, where their job is to defeat everyone else on the field of play.

Damn this busted quote function

If the Giants and Colts played in the Super Bowl, would you say that Archie Manning cannot be a fan of both of his sons?

In this scenario, Archie would not be a "fan" of either team because he would probably state that he doesnt care who wins. He would just want both of his sons to play well.Probably a moot point because based on the way he is playing today, Eli Manning will only get into the SB the same way you or I would, with a ticket. Boy he sucks.

Well, what if a reporter asked him and he responded by saying, "Well Peyton has been in the league longer and taken so much criticism, while Eli still has tons of years in this league, so I think I'm slightly pulling for Peyton."Then would you claim that Archie Manning is not a fan of his own son, Eli?

 

[Pat Patriot]

JZilla, what is the genesis of your being a Panthers fan?

I'm from the area. That's my home team. I don't live there now but I don't really have a choice unless I want to abandon my kids. I'll be back there in ten years.

Thats what I figured. I knew you were around DC now but figured you were originally from the Carolinas.

 

[JZilla]

JZilla, what is the genesis of your being a Panthers fan?

I'm from the area. That's my home team. I don't live there now but I don't really have a choice unless I want to abandon my kids. I'll be back there in ten years.

Thats what I figured. I knew you were around DC now but figured you were originally from the Carolinas.

I root for the Ravens quite a bit, just like jvwdcw does, but because I want the Panthers to demolish them in any matchup they have, including preseason, I don't consider myself a Ravens fan.

 

[jwvdcw]

Last year, I said multiple times that the Skins D was far and away the best in the league. The only reason that they weren't at the top of the league statistically was because the offense last year was incredibly mistake-prone and they left the D in terrible shape all the time.  However, from watching them, I could tell that they (Redskins) were amazing.

The Redskins will be in every game this year because they have a great(not good, but great) defense.Their offense and special teams will produce a few big plays here and there which will be sufficient. Otherwise, they will minimize their mistakes on offense.

I predict that the Skins finish 10-6 and enter the playoffs as a wild card(just like the Ravens did). Then if they get hot at the right time, they could make a similar run.

It was a nice call early in the season but you seem to imply you were on the bandwagoon since the end of 05 yet you had them as the 24th best team a few weeks before this post started... You even had them finishing behind the Jets, Detroit and the Niners!

Tier #6

20. NY Jets- will cut them a little slack, but man, they looked bad.

21. Detroit- a win is a win, I guess

22. SF- see Miami

23. Minnesota- see NY Jets

24. Washington- see Detroit

LINK

wow JK man. No, I'll totally admit that I doubted this team coming into the year. In fact, I was very upset that they didn't draft BMW, and I openly critisized them in the offseason for some moves. I have learned to no longer qustion Joe Gibbs.

 

[jwvdcw]

Last year, I said multiple times that the Skins D was far and away the best in the league. The only reason that they weren't at the top of the league statistically was because the offense last year was incredibly mistake-prone and they left the D in terrible shape all the time.  However, from watching them, I could tell that they (Redskins) were amazing.

The Redskins will be in every game this year because they have a great(not good, but great) defense.Their offense and special teams will produce a few big plays here and there which will be sufficient. Otherwise, they will minimize their mistakes on offense.

I predict that the Skins finish 10-6 and enter the playoffs as a wild card(just like the Ravens did). Then if they get hot at the right time, they could make a similar run.

It was a nice call early in the season but you seem to imply you were on the bandwagoon since the end of 05 yet you had them as the 24th best team a few weeks before this post started... You even had them finishing behind the Jets, Detroit and the Niners!

Tier #6

20. NY Jets- will cut them a little slack, but man, they looked bad.

21. Detroit- a win is a win, I guess

22. SF- see Miami

23. Minnesota- see NY Jets

24. Washington- see Detroit

LINK

He's no prognosticator for sure. Check out a few teams from tier 4:

[Tier #4

7. NO- Think this is too high? Well this team has quietly won 5 games in a row including 2 over everyone's trendy SB pick, Carolina. Major points for a tough road win this week.

8. Jacksonville- This team looks like they're for real

9. Buffalo- see Jacksonville

10. Baltimore- see Philly]

Yipes.

Everyone thought that Baltimore and Buffalo would be better. I was right about Jacksonville, and I totally whiffed on NO.I could go back and dig up posts from the beginning of the year on everyone here and make them look bad...thats the beauty of the NFL.

 

[DoctorDetroit]

Last year, I said multiple times that the Skins D was far and away the best in the league. The only reason that they weren't at the top of the league statistically was because the offense last year was incredibly mistake-prone and they left the D in terrible shape all the time.  However, from watching them, I could tell that they (Redskins) were amazing.

The Redskins will be in every game this year because they have a great(not good, but great) defense.Their offense and special teams will produce a few big plays here and there which will be sufficient. Otherwise, they will minimize their mistakes on offense.

I predict that the Skins finish 10-6 and enter the playoffs as a wild card(just like the Ravens did). Then if they get hot at the right time, they could make a similar run.

It was a nice call early in the season but you seem to imply you were on the bandwagoon since the end of 05 yet you had them as the 24th best team a few weeks before this post started... You even had them finishing behind the Jets, Detroit and the Niners!

Tier #6

20. NY Jets- will cut them a little slack, but man, they looked bad.

21. Detroit- a win is a win, I guess

22. SF- see Miami

23. Minnesota- see NY Jets

24. Washington- see Detroit

LINK

He's no prognosticator for sure. Check out a few teams from tier 4:

[Tier #4

7. NO- Think this is too high? Well this team has quietly won 5 games in a row including 2 over everyone's trendy SB pick, Carolina. Major points for a tough road win this week.

8. Jacksonville- This team looks like they're for real

9. Buffalo- see Jacksonville

10. Baltimore- see Philly]

Yipes.

Everyone thought that Baltimore and Buffalo would be better. I was right about Jacksonville, and I totally whiffed on NO.I could go back and dig up posts from the beginning of the year on everyone here and make them look bad...thats the beauty of the NFL.

Not on me. You know some stuff but leave the prognostication to Hammerin' Hank! Although if you want, given your history that is, to pick the Redskins and a score now I'd be very obliged.

 

[jwvdcw]

Last year, I said multiple times that the Skins D was far and away the best in the league. The only reason that they weren't at the top of the league statistically was because the offense last year was incredibly mistake-prone and they left the D in terrible shape all the time.  However, from watching them, I could tell that they (Redskins) were amazing.

The Redskins will be in every game this year because they have a great(not good, but great) defense.Their offense and special teams will produce a few big plays here and there which will be sufficient. Otherwise, they will minimize their mistakes on offense.

I predict that the Skins finish 10-6 and enter the playoffs as a wild card(just like the Ravens did). Then if they get hot at the right time, they could make a similar run.

It was a nice call early in the season but you seem to imply you were on the bandwagoon since the end of 05 yet you had them as the 24th best team a few weeks before this post started... You even had them finishing behind the Jets, Detroit and the Niners!

Tier #6

20. NY Jets- will cut them a little slack, but man, they looked bad.

21. Detroit- a win is a win, I guess

22. SF- see Miami

23. Minnesota- see NY Jets

24. Washington- see Detroit

LINK

He's no prognosticator for sure. Check out a few teams from tier 4:

[Tier #4

7. NO- Think this is too high? Well this team has quietly won 5 games in a row including 2 over everyone's trendy SB pick, Carolina. Major points for a tough road win this week.

8. Jacksonville- This team looks like they're for real

9. Buffalo- see Jacksonville

10. Baltimore- see Philly]

Yipes.

Everyone thought that Baltimore and Buffalo would be better. I was right about Jacksonville, and I totally whiffed on NO.I could go back and dig up posts from the beginning of the year on everyone here and make them look bad...thats the beauty of the NFL.

Not on me. You know some stuff but leave the prognostication to Hammerin' Hank! Although if you want, given your history that is, to pick the Redskins and a score now I'd be very obliged.

Just for the record, power rankings are not predictions for the rest of the season. They are merely an evaluation of how I thought each time was playing at that time. New Orleans, for example, had won 5 games in row, so they were top 10 imo.

 

[DoctorDetroit]

Last year, I said multiple times that the Skins D was far and away the best in the league. The only reason that they weren't at the top of the league statistically was because the offense last year was incredibly mistake-prone and they left the D in terrible shape all the time.  However, from watching them, I could tell that they (Redskins) were amazing.

The Redskins will be in every game this year because they have a great(not good, but great) defense.Their offense and special teams will produce a few big plays here and there which will be sufficient. Otherwise, they will minimize their mistakes on offense.

I predict that the Skins finish 10-6 and enter the playoffs as a wild card(just like the Ravens did). Then if they get hot at the right time, they could make a similar run.

It was a nice call early in the season but you seem to imply you were on the bandwagoon since the end of 05 yet you had them as the 24th best team a few weeks before this post started... You even had them finishing behind the Jets, Detroit and the Niners!

Tier #6

20. NY Jets- will cut them a little slack, but man, they looked bad.

21. Detroit- a win is a win, I guess

22. SF- see Miami

23. Minnesota- see NY Jets

24. Washington- see Detroit

LINK

He's no prognosticator for sure. Check out a few teams from tier 4:

[Tier #4

7. NO- Think this is too high? Well this team has quietly won 5 games in a row including 2 over everyone's trendy SB pick, Carolina. Major points for a tough road win this week.

8. Jacksonville- This team looks like they're for real

9. Buffalo- see Jacksonville

10. Baltimore- see Philly]

Yipes.

Everyone thought that Baltimore and Buffalo would be better. I was right about Jacksonville, and I totally whiffed on NO.I could go back and dig up posts from the beginning of the year on everyone here and make them look bad...thats the beauty of the NFL.

Not on me. You know some stuff but leave the prognostication to Hammerin' Hank! Although if you want, given your history that is, to pick the Redskins and a score now I'd be very obliged.

Just for the record, power rankings are not predictions for the rest of the season. They are merely an evaluation of how I thought each time was playing at that time. New Orleans, for example, had won 5 games in row, so they were top 10 imo.

It's cool, I make stupid picks all the time (I said the Packers would win no more than 4 before week one but also said the Vikings would be in the NFC Championship game). On a note from yesterday now you know why I wanted the Skins to win. I really think the Panthers are better and a tougher matchup for the Seahawks. That Carolina/Bears game is gonna be a great game to watch albeit a defensive struggle.

 

[jwvdcw]

Last year, I said multiple times that the Skins D was far and away the best in the league. The only reason that they weren't at the top of the league statistically was because the offense last year was incredibly mistake-prone and they left the D in terrible shape all the time.  However, from watching them, I could tell that they (Redskins) were amazing.

The Redskins will be in every game this year because they have a great(not good, but great) defense.Their offense and special teams will produce a few big plays here and there which will be sufficient. Otherwise, they will minimize their mistakes on offense.

I predict that the Skins finish 10-6 and enter the playoffs as a wild card(just like the Ravens did). Then if they get hot at the right time, they could make a similar run.

It was a nice call early in the season but you seem to imply you were on the bandwagoon since the end of 05 yet you had them as the 24th best team a few weeks before this post started... You even had them finishing behind the Jets, Detroit and the Niners!

Tier #6

20. NY Jets- will cut them a little slack, but man, they looked bad.

21. Detroit- a win is a win, I guess

22. SF- see Miami

23. Minnesota- see NY Jets

24. Washington- see Detroit

LINK

He's no prognosticator for sure. Check out a few teams from tier 4:

[Tier #4

7. NO- Think this is too high? Well this team has quietly won 5 games in a row including 2 over everyone's trendy SB pick, Carolina. Major points for a tough road win this week.

8. Jacksonville- This team looks like they're for real

9. Buffalo- see Jacksonville

10. Baltimore- see Philly]

Yipes.

Everyone thought that Baltimore and Buffalo would be better. I was right about Jacksonville, and I totally whiffed on NO.I could go back and dig up posts from the beginning of the year on everyone here and make them look bad...thats the beauty of the NFL.

Not on me. You know some stuff but leave the prognostication to Hammerin' Hank! Although if you want, given your history that is, to pick the Redskins and a score now I'd be very obliged.

Just for the record, power rankings are not predictions for the rest of the season. They are merely an evaluation of how I thought each time was playing at that time. New Orleans, for example, had won 5 games in row, so they were top 10 imo.

It's cool, I make stupid picks all the time (I said the Packers would win no more than 4 before week one but also said the Vikings would be in the NFC Championship game). On a note from yesterday now you know why I wanted the Skins to win. I really think the Panthers are better and a tougher matchup for the Seahawks. That Carolina/Bears game is gonna be a great game to watch albeit a defensive struggle.

I can't argue with how good Carolina looked. I really underestimated them. GL next week. Hopefully we can get rid of the mindless trash talk this time, and have some good analysis from both sides heading into the game.

 

[jwvdcw]

Quick thought: How crazy would it be if every road team won in the NFC this year?

 

[JZilla]

Last year, I said multiple times that the Skins D was far and away the best in the league. The only reason that they weren't at the top of the league statistically was because the offense last year was incredibly mistake-prone and they left the D in terrible shape all the time.  However, from watching them, I could tell that they (Redskins) were amazing.

The Redskins will be in every game this year because they have a great(not good, but great) defense.Their offense and special teams will produce a few big plays here and there which will be sufficient. Otherwise, they will minimize their mistakes on offense.

I predict that the Skins finish 10-6 and enter the playoffs as a wild card(just like the Ravens did). Then if they get hot at the right time, they could make a similar run.

It was a nice call early in the season but you seem to imply you were on the bandwagoon since the end of 05 yet you had them as the 24th best team a few weeks before this post started... You even had them finishing behind the Jets, Detroit and the Niners!

Tier #6

20. NY Jets- will cut them a little slack, but man, they looked bad.

21. Detroit- a win is a win, I guess

22. SF- see Miami

23. Minnesota- see NY Jets

24. Washington- see Detroit

LINK

He's no prognosticator for sure. Check out a few teams from tier 4:

[Tier #4

7. NO- Think this is too high? Well this team has quietly won 5 games in a row including 2 over everyone's trendy SB pick, Carolina. Major points for a tough road win this week.

8. Jacksonville- This team looks like they're for real

9. Buffalo- see Jacksonville

10. Baltimore- see Philly]

Yipes.

Everyone thought that Baltimore and Buffalo would be better. I was right about Jacksonville, and I totally whiffed on NO.I could go back and dig up posts from the beginning of the year on everyone here and make them look bad...thats the beauty of the NFL.

Not on me. You know some stuff but leave the prognostication to Hammerin' Hank! Although if you want, given your history that is, to pick the Redskins and a score now I'd be very obliged.

Just for the record, power rankings are not predictions for the rest of the season. They are merely an evaluation of how I thought each time was playing at that time. New Orleans, for example, had won 5 games in row, so they were top 10 imo.

It's cool, I make stupid picks all the time (I said the Packers would win no more than 4 before week one but also said the Vikings would be in the NFC Championship game). On a note from yesterday now you know why I wanted the Skins to win. I really think the Panthers are better and a tougher matchup for the Seahawks. That Carolina/Bears game is gonna be a great game to watch albeit a defensive struggle.

I can't argue with how good Carolina looked. I really underestimated them. GL next week. Hopefully we can get rid of the mindless trash talk this time, and have some good analysis from both sides heading into the game.

I, for one, ain't feeling too good about the Bears, and I really wish the Bucs had won yesterday because I think the Seahawks will be easily handled with a couple punches in the mouf.

 

[avoiding injuries]

Looking forward to next week and the game with the Seahawks, I actually think it favors the Redskins to play them instead of Chicago. The last game was a grueling, physical matchup against a tough defense. I think going against Chicago would just be too much for the Skins and they would breakdown(we started to see this happen yesterday). We escaped with the loss of Renaldo Wynn, but could get Springs back. If we can contain SA to under 100yds and keep pressure on Hasselbeck, it will give the Skins a chance. Here's to AT LEAST 7 more days of the season.

 

[biglare66]

For the record: I was wrong about the Redskins. Congrats to their fans!

 

[DoctorDetroit]

Last year, I said multiple times that the Skins D was far and away the best in the league. The only reason that they weren't at the top of the league statistically was because the offense last year was incredibly mistake-prone and they left the D in terrible shape all the time.  However, from watching them, I could tell that they (Redskins) were amazing.

The Redskins will be in every game this year because they have a great(not good, but great) defense.Their offense and special teams will produce a few big plays here and there which will be sufficient. Otherwise, they will minimize their mistakes on offense.

I predict that the Skins finish 10-6 and enter the playoffs as a wild card(just like the Ravens did). Then if they get hot at the right time, they could make a similar run.

It was a nice call early in the season but you seem to imply you were on the bandwagoon since the end of 05 yet you had them as the 24th best team a few weeks before this post started... You even had them finishing behind the Jets, Detroit and the Niners!

Tier #6

20. NY Jets- will cut them a little slack, but man, they looked bad.

21. Detroit- a win is a win, I guess

22. SF- see Miami

23. Minnesota- see NY Jets

24. Washington- see Detroit

LINK

He's no prognosticator for sure. Check out a few teams from tier 4:

[Tier #4

7. NO- Think this is too high? Well this team has quietly won 5 games in a row including 2 over everyone's trendy SB pick, Carolina. Major points for a tough road win this week.

8. Jacksonville- This team looks like they're for real

9. Buffalo- see Jacksonville

10. Baltimore- see Philly]

Yipes.

Everyone thought that Baltimore and Buffalo would be better. I was right about Jacksonville, and I totally whiffed on NO.I could go back and dig up posts from the beginning of the year on everyone here and make them look bad...thats the beauty of the NFL.

Not on me. You know some stuff but leave the prognostication to Hammerin' Hank! Although if you want, given your history that is, to pick the Redskins and a score now I'd be very obliged.

Just for the record, power rankings are not predictions for the rest of the season. They are merely an evaluation of how I thought each time was playing at that time. New Orleans, for example, had won 5 games in row, so they were top 10 imo.

It's cool, I make stupid picks all the time (I said the Packers would win no more than 4 before week one but also said the Vikings would be in the NFC Championship game). On a note from yesterday now you know why I wanted the Skins to win. I really think the Panthers are better and a tougher matchup for the Seahawks. That Carolina/Bears game is gonna be a great game to watch albeit a defensive struggle.

I can't argue with how good Carolina looked. I really underestimated them. GL next week. Hopefully we can get rid of the mindless trash talk this time, and have some good analysis from both sides heading into the game.

I, for one, ain't feeling too good about the Bears, and I really wish the Bucs had won yesterday because I think the Seahawks will be easily handled with a couple punches in the mouf.

That's convenient. Seattle has the most physical offensive line in the league.

 

[JZilla]

   

That's convenient.  Seattle has the most physical offensive line in the league.

Pretty easy to look physical against the NFC West. I'm not going to say the Skins will win, but I'm not sold on the hawks. Easiest regular season schedule evaH. Good luck to both.Let's just say I really wish the Panthers were going to Seattle.

 

[jwvdcw]

I'm definitely weary of Seattle, but when you look at the schedule, you can't be too impressed:Sun 9/11 at Jacksonville L 14-26 Sun 9/18 Atlanta W 21-18 Sun 9/25 Arizona W 37-12 Sun 10/2 at Washington L 17-20 Sun 10/9 at St. Louis W 37-31 Sun 10/16 Houston W 42-10 Sun 10/23 Dallas W 13-10 bye Sun 11/6 at Arizona W 33-19 Sun 11/13 St. Louis W 31-16 Sun 11/20 at San Francisco W 27-25 Sun 11/27 NY Giants W 24-21 Mon 12/5 at Philadelphia W 42-0 Sun 12/11 San Francisco W 41-3 Sun 12/18 at Tennessee W 28-24 Sat 12/24 Indianapolis W 28-13 Sun 1/1 at Green Bay L 17-23 They played 4 playoff teams and went 2-2, but one of those was when Indy was resting their starters so it really was 1-2. Contrast that with the Redskins who have played 7 playoff teams and went 4-3.

 

[JZilla]

They played 4 playoff teams and went 2-2, but one of those was when Indy was resting their starters so it really was 1-2.

And the Giants blew that game. Which is, admittedly, something the Giants seem to be pretty good at.I think the Skins have a good chance at providing a real defensive shock to Seattle. Whether that's enough depends on what their offense can do. I take no cues from their regular season matchup because this is not the regular season, and the venue has changed.

If I was asked to pick a winner of this game, I wouldn't want to. But if someone held a gun to my head, I'd pick the Redskins.

 

[jwvdcw]

They played 4 playoff teams and went 2-2, but one of those was when Indy was resting their starters so it really was 1-2.

And the Giants blew that game. Which is, admittedly, something the Giants seem to be pretty good at.I think the Skins have a good chance at providing a real defensive shock to Seattle. Whether that's enough depends on what their offense can do. I take no cues from their regular season matchup because this is not the regular season, and the venue has changed.

If I was asked to pick a winner of this game, I wouldn't want to. But if someone held a gun to my head, I'd pick the Redskins.

Thats pretty bold to pick an 8.5 pt underdog. My heart agrees with you, but I'd be lying if I said that I truly thought the Skins were favored to win like I did against TB. Seattle's HFA scares me more than TB's did.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

"My initial reaction was just to hit him. He'd be a lot worse if I were in a car, and he was my GF and he was carrying our babyit were on the street."

-Pittman on Taylor

Fixed

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Oh, and from the Turnover Margin thread:

turnovers are largely luck(the random way a football will bounce).

So, considering that Washington only won because of two early turnovers (one of which they shouldn't have retained possession on), are you willing to concede that Washington's win was largely luck or are you going to change your story now?

Fumble recoveries (the way a ball bounces) are luck.Intercepting a pass is much more skill.

 

[JZilla]

They played 4 playoff teams and went 2-2, but one of those was when Indy was resting their starters so it really was 1-2.

And the Giants blew that game. Which is, admittedly, something the Giants seem to be pretty good at.I think the Skins have a good chance at providing a real defensive shock to Seattle. Whether that's enough depends on what their offense can do. I take no cues from their regular season matchup because this is not the regular season, and the venue has changed.

If I was asked to pick a winner of this game, I wouldn't want to. But if someone held a gun to my head, I'd pick the Redskins.

Thats pretty bold to pick an 8.5 pt underdog. My heart agrees with you, but I'd be lying if I said that I truly thought the Skins were favored to win like I did against TB. Seattle's HFA scares me more than TB's did.

Vegas' opinion has no bearing on mine. I've seen both these teams play, extensively, and I think they're evenly matched. The only reason I lean slightly toward Washington is because the Seahawks haven't faced enough quality teams this year and I think that makes them a little soft.

 

[tarheel23]

They played 4 playoff teams and went 2-2, but one of those was when Indy was resting their starters so it really was 1-2.

And the Giants blew that game. Which is, admittedly, something the Giants seem to be pretty good at.I think the Skins have a good chance at providing a real defensive shock to Seattle. Whether that's enough depends on what their offense can do. I take no cues from their regular season matchup because this is not the regular season, and the venue has changed.

If I was asked to pick a winner of this game, I wouldn't want to. But if someone held a gun to my head, I'd pick the Redskins.

Thats pretty bold to pick an 8.5 pt underdog. My heart agrees with you, but I'd be lying if I said that I truly thought the Skins were favored to win like I did against TB. Seattle's HFA scares me more than TB's did.

Vegas' opinion has no bearing on mine. I've seen both these teams play, extensively, and I think they're evenly matched. The only reason I lean slightly toward Washington is because the Seahawks haven't faced enough quality teams this year and I think that makes them a little soft.

So I guess all five of these teams are soft since they had the 5 easiest schedules in the NFL:Seattle .430 schedule strength

TB .449

Carolina .449

Chicago .457

Indy .457

 

[JZilla]

They played 4 playoff teams and went 2-2, but one of those was when Indy was resting their starters so it really was 1-2.

And the Giants blew that game. Which is, admittedly, something the Giants seem to be pretty good at.I think the Skins have a good chance at providing a real defensive shock to Seattle. Whether that's enough depends on what their offense can do. I take no cues from their regular season matchup because this is not the regular season, and the venue has changed.

If I was asked to pick a winner of this game, I wouldn't want to. But if someone held a gun to my head, I'd pick the Redskins.

Thats pretty bold to pick an 8.5 pt underdog. My heart agrees with you, but I'd be lying if I said that I truly thought the Skins were favored to win like I did against TB. Seattle's HFA scares me more than TB's did.

Vegas' opinion has no bearing on mine. I've seen both these teams play, extensively, and I think they're evenly matched. The only reason I lean slightly toward Washington is because the Seahawks haven't faced enough quality teams this year and I think that makes them a little soft.

So I guess all five of these teams are soft since they had the 5 easiest schedules in the NFL:Seattle .430 schedule strength

TB .449

Carolina .449

Chicago .457

Indy .457

No. Just Seattle.

 

[jwvdcw]

They played 4 playoff teams and went 2-2, but one of those was when Indy was resting their starters so it really was 1-2.

And the Giants blew that game. Which is, admittedly, something the Giants seem to be pretty good at.I think the Skins have a good chance at providing a real defensive shock to Seattle. Whether that's enough depends on what their offense can do. I take no cues from their regular season matchup because this is not the regular season, and the venue has changed.

If I was asked to pick a winner of this game, I wouldn't want to. But if someone held a gun to my head, I'd pick the Redskins.

Thats pretty bold to pick an 8.5 pt underdog. My heart agrees with you, but I'd be lying if I said that I truly thought the Skins were favored to win like I did against TB. Seattle's HFA scares me more than TB's did.

Vegas' opinion has no bearing on mine. I've seen both these teams play, extensively, and I think they're evenly matched. The only reason I lean slightly toward Washington is because the Seahawks haven't faced enough quality teams this year and I think that makes them a little soft.

So I guess all five of these teams are soft since they had the 5 easiest schedules in the NFL:Seattle .430 schedule strength

TB .449

Carolina .449

Chicago .457

Indy .457

Seattle's SOS is even weaker than that. Their SOS got a bump by playing Indy, but Indy didn't play any of their starters at all.

 

[tarheel23]

They played 4 playoff teams and went 2-2, but one of those was when Indy was resting their starters so it really was 1-2.

And the Giants blew that game. Which is, admittedly, something the Giants seem to be pretty good at.I think the Skins have a good chance at providing a real defensive shock to Seattle. Whether that's enough depends on what their offense can do. I take no cues from their regular season matchup because this is not the regular season, and the venue has changed.

If I was asked to pick a winner of this game, I wouldn't want to. But if someone held a gun to my head, I'd pick the Redskins.

Thats pretty bold to pick an 8.5 pt underdog. My heart agrees with you, but I'd be lying if I said that I truly thought the Skins were favored to win like I did against TB. Seattle's HFA scares me more than TB's did.

Vegas' opinion has no bearing on mine. I've seen both these teams play, extensively, and I think they're evenly matched. The only reason I lean slightly toward Washington is because the Seahawks haven't faced enough quality teams this year and I think that makes them a little soft.

So I guess all five of these teams are soft since they had the 5 easiest schedules in the NFL:Seattle .430 schedule strength

TB .449

Carolina .449

Chicago .457

Indy .457

No. Just Seattle.

So the soft schedule only applies to Seattle. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Last year, I said multiple times that the Skins D was far and away the best in the league. The only reason that they weren't at the top of the league statistically was because the offense last year was incredibly mistake-prone and they left the D in terrible shape all the time. However, from watching them, I could tell that they (Redskins) were amazing.

The Redskins will be in every game this year because they have a great(not good, but great) defense.Their offense and special teams will produce a few big plays here and there which will be sufficient. Otherwise, they will minimize their mistakes on offense.

I predict that the Skins finish 10-6 and enter the playoffs as a wild card(just like the Ravens did). Then if they get hot at the right time, they could make a similar run.

It was a nice call early in the season but you seem to imply you were on the bandwagoon since the end of 05 yet you had them as the 24th best team a few weeks before this post started... You even had them finishing behind the Jets, Detroit and the Niners!

Tier #6

20. NY Jets- will cut them a little slack, but man, they looked bad.

21. Detroit- a win is a win, I guess

22. SF- see Miami

23. Minnesota- see NY Jets

24. Washington- see Detroit

LINK

He's no prognosticator for sure. Check out a few teams from tier 4:

[Tier #4

7. NO- Think this is too high? Well this team has quietly won 5 games in a row including 2 over everyone's trendy SB pick, Carolina. Major points for a tough road win this week.

8. Jacksonville- This team looks like they're for real

9. Buffalo- see Jacksonville

10. Baltimore- see Philly]

Yipes.

Everyone thought that Baltimore and Buffalo would be better. I was right about Jacksonville, and I totally whiffed on NO.I could go back and dig up posts from the beginning of the year on everyone here and make them look bad...thats the beauty of the NFL.

It's like those commercials the NFL runs at the end of the season.Better get your story straight.

 

[DoctorDetroit]

They played 4 playoff teams and went 2-2, but one of those was when Indy was resting their starters so it really was 1-2.

And the Giants blew that game. Which is, admittedly, something the Giants seem to be pretty good at.I think the Skins have a good chance at providing a real defensive shock to Seattle. Whether that's enough depends on what their offense can do. I take no cues from their regular season matchup because this is not the regular season, and the venue has changed.

If I was asked to pick a winner of this game, I wouldn't want to. But if someone held a gun to my head, I'd pick the Redskins.

Thats pretty bold to pick an 8.5 pt underdog. My heart agrees with you, but I'd be lying if I said that I truly thought the Skins were favored to win like I did against TB. Seattle's HFA scares me more than TB's did.

Vegas' opinion has no bearing on mine. I've seen both these teams play, extensively, and I think they're evenly matched. The only reason I lean slightly toward Washington is because the Seahawks haven't faced enough quality teams this year and I think that makes them a little soft.

So I guess all five of these teams are soft since they had the 5 easiest schedules in the NFL:Seattle .430 schedule strength

TB .449

Carolina .449

Chicago .457

Indy .457

Seattle's SOS is even weaker than that. Their SOS got a bump by playing Indy, but Indy didn't play any of their starters at all.

They didn't? Really? Better check your statbook or source. Wrong answer. Also check the score when the starters were pulled.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

They played 4 playoff teams and went 2-2, but one of those was when Indy was resting their starters so it really was 1-2.

And the Giants blew that game. Which is, admittedly, something the Giants seem to be pretty good at.I think the Skins have a good chance at providing a real defensive shock to Seattle. Whether that's enough depends on what their offense can do. I take no cues from their regular season matchup because this is not the regular season, and the venue has changed.

If I was asked to pick a winner of this game, I wouldn't want to. But if someone held a gun to my head, I'd pick the Redskins.

Thats pretty bold to pick an 8.5 pt underdog. My heart agrees with you, but I'd be lying if I said that I truly thought the Skins were favored to win like I did against TB. Seattle's HFA scares me more than TB's did.

Vegas' opinion has no bearing on mine. I've seen both these teams play, extensively, and I think they're evenly matched. The only reason I lean slightly toward Washington is because the Seahawks haven't faced enough quality teams this year and I think that makes them a little soft.

So I guess all five of these teams are soft since they had the 5 easiest schedules in the NFL:Seattle .430 schedule strength

TB .449

Carolina .449

Chicago .457

Indy .457

Seattle's SOS is even weaker than that. Their SOS got a bump by playing Indy, but Indy didn't play any of their starters at all.

They didn't? Really? Better check your statbook or source. Wrong answer. Also check the score when the starters were pulled.

I wouldn't really include a game against the Colts. They clearly had nothing to play for. The playoffs weren't on the line. HFA wasn't on the line. Indy was going through the motions. If you really want to hang your hat on that game, be my guest, but it doesn't seem smart.

 

[JZilla]

They played 4 playoff teams and went 2-2, but one of those was when Indy was resting their starters so it really was 1-2.

And the Giants blew that game. Which is, admittedly, something the Giants seem to be pretty good at.I think the Skins have a good chance at providing a real defensive shock to Seattle. Whether that's enough depends on what their offense can do. I take no cues from their regular season matchup because this is not the regular season, and the venue has changed.

If I was asked to pick a winner of this game, I wouldn't want to. But if someone held a gun to my head, I'd pick the Redskins.

Thats pretty bold to pick an 8.5 pt underdog. My heart agrees with you, but I'd be lying if I said that I truly thought the Skins were favored to win like I did against TB. Seattle's HFA scares me more than TB's did.

Vegas' opinion has no bearing on mine. I've seen both these teams play, extensively, and I think they're evenly matched. The only reason I lean slightly toward Washington is because the Seahawks haven't faced enough quality teams this year and I think that makes them a little soft.

So I guess all five of these teams are soft since they had the 5 easiest schedules in the NFL:Seattle .430 schedule strength

TB .449

Carolina .449

Chicago .457

Indy .457

No. Just Seattle.

So the soft schedule only applies to Seattle. Thanks for clearing that up.

I draw my "soft " line at .440Seriously though, I'm just stating my opinion here.. I think it's going to be a very close game. I didn't call the Seahawks a bunch of h0m0s. I just said I think their schedule may have made them a little soft as compared to the Redskins, who I think are a little lacking in talent but are extremely tough. I'm not talking about Indy and TB and whatever the hell else you put up there. I'm talking about Washington vs. Seattle.

 

[jwvdcw]

They played 4 playoff teams and went 2-2, but one of those was when Indy was resting their starters so it really was 1-2.

And the Giants blew that game. Which is, admittedly, something the Giants seem to be pretty good at.I think the Skins have a good chance at providing a real defensive shock to Seattle. Whether that's enough depends on what their offense can do. I take no cues from their regular season matchup because this is not the regular season, and the venue has changed.

If I was asked to pick a winner of this game, I wouldn't want to. But if someone held a gun to my head, I'd pick the Redskins.

Thats pretty bold to pick an 8.5 pt underdog. My heart agrees with you, but I'd be lying if I said that I truly thought the Skins were favored to win like I did against TB. Seattle's HFA scares me more than TB's did.

Vegas' opinion has no bearing on mine. I've seen both these teams play, extensively, and I think they're evenly matched. The only reason I lean slightly toward Washington is because the Seahawks haven't faced enough quality teams this year and I think that makes them a little soft.

So I guess all five of these teams are soft since they had the 5 easiest schedules in the NFL:Seattle .430 schedule strength

TB .449

Carolina .449

Chicago .457

Indy .457

Seattle's SOS is even weaker than that. Their SOS got a bump by playing Indy, but Indy didn't play any of their starters at all.

They didn't? Really? Better check your statbook or source. Wrong answer. Also check the score when the starters were pulled.

Ok, I overstated a bit, but you get my point. Theres no way that was Indy's best effort.

 

[DoctorDetroit]

They played 4 playoff teams and went 2-2, but one of those was when Indy was resting their starters so it really was 1-2.

And the Giants blew that game. Which is, admittedly, something the Giants seem to be pretty good at.I think the Skins have a good chance at providing a real defensive shock to Seattle. Whether that's enough depends on what their offense can do. I take no cues from their regular season matchup because this is not the regular season, and the venue has changed.

If I was asked to pick a winner of this game, I wouldn't want to. But if someone held a gun to my head, I'd pick the Redskins.

Thats pretty bold to pick an 8.5 pt underdog. My heart agrees with you, but I'd be lying if I said that I truly thought the Skins were favored to win like I did against TB. Seattle's HFA scares me more than TB's did.

Vegas' opinion has no bearing on mine. I've seen both these teams play, extensively, and I think they're evenly matched. The only reason I lean slightly toward Washington is because the Seahawks haven't faced enough quality teams this year and I think that makes them a little soft.

So I guess all five of these teams are soft since they had the 5 easiest schedules in the NFL:Seattle .430 schedule strength

TB .449

Carolina .449

Chicago .457

Indy .457

Seattle's SOS is even weaker than that. Their SOS got a bump by playing Indy, but Indy didn't play any of their starters at all.

They didn't? Really? Better check your statbook or source. Wrong answer. Also check the score when the starters were pulled.

I wouldn't really include a game against the Colts. They clearly had nothing to play for. The playoffs weren't on the line. HFA wasn't on the line. Indy was going through the motions. If you really want to hang your hat on that game, be my guest, but it doesn't seem smart.

Well all the talk of schedule this, schedule that is funny. They were 13-2 with road losses in the first four weeks. Those two teams were playoff teams and Brown missed a FG or they would have beat Washington also. So this schedule talk can continue because there is nothing else to find fault in. Luckily this is all decided on the field.

 

[jwvdcw]

They played 4 playoff teams and went 2-2, but one of those was when Indy was resting their starters so it really was 1-2.

And the Giants blew that game. Which is, admittedly, something the Giants seem to be pretty good at.I think the Skins have a good chance at providing a real defensive shock to Seattle. Whether that's enough depends on what their offense can do. I take no cues from their regular season matchup because this is not the regular season, and the venue has changed.

If I was asked to pick a winner of this game, I wouldn't want to. But if someone held a gun to my head, I'd pick the Redskins.

Thats pretty bold to pick an 8.5 pt underdog. My heart agrees with you, but I'd be lying if I said that I truly thought the Skins were favored to win like I did against TB. Seattle's HFA scares me more than TB's did.

Vegas' opinion has no bearing on mine. I've seen both these teams play, extensively, and I think they're evenly matched. The only reason I lean slightly toward Washington is because the Seahawks haven't faced enough quality teams this year and I think that makes them a little soft.

So I guess all five of these teams are soft since they had the 5 easiest schedules in the NFL:Seattle .430 schedule strength

TB .449

Carolina .449

Chicago .457

Indy .457

Seattle's SOS is even weaker than that. Their SOS got a bump by playing Indy, but Indy didn't play any of their starters at all.

They didn't? Really? Better check your statbook or source. Wrong answer. Also check the score when the starters were pulled.

I wouldn't really include a game against the Colts. They clearly had nothing to play for. The playoffs weren't on the line. HFA wasn't on the line. Indy was going through the motions. If you really want to hang your hat on that game, be my guest, but it doesn't seem smart.

Well all the talk of schedule this, schedule that is funny. They were 13-2 with road losses in the first four weeks. Those two teams were playoff teams and Brown missed a FG or they would have beat Washington also. So this schedule talk can continue because there is nothing else to find fault in. Luckily this is all decided on the field.

Washington also missed a FG early in the game, and IIRC it was an even shorter one than Seattle missed, so thats no excuse.I think theres 6 or 7 teams that could've gone 13-3 with that schedule.

 

[DoctorDetroit]

They played 4 playoff teams and went 2-2, but one of those was when Indy was resting their starters so it really was 1-2.

And the Giants blew that game. Which is, admittedly, something the Giants seem to be pretty good at.I think the Skins have a good chance at providing a real defensive shock to Seattle. Whether that's enough depends on what their offense can do. I take no cues from their regular season matchup because this is not the regular season, and the venue has changed.

If I was asked to pick a winner of this game, I wouldn't want to. But if someone held a gun to my head, I'd pick the Redskins.

Thats pretty bold to pick an 8.5 pt underdog. My heart agrees with you, but I'd be lying if I said that I truly thought the Skins were favored to win like I did against TB. Seattle's HFA scares me more than TB's did.

Vegas' opinion has no bearing on mine. I've seen both these teams play, extensively, and I think they're evenly matched. The only reason I lean slightly toward Washington is because the Seahawks haven't faced enough quality teams this year and I think that makes them a little soft.

So I guess all five of these teams are soft since they had the 5 easiest schedules in the NFL:Seattle .430 schedule strength

TB .449

Carolina .449

Chicago .457

Indy .457

Seattle's SOS is even weaker than that. Their SOS got a bump by playing Indy, but Indy didn't play any of their starters at all.

They didn't? Really? Better check your statbook or source. Wrong answer. Also check the score when the starters were pulled.

I wouldn't really include a game against the Colts. They clearly had nothing to play for. The playoffs weren't on the line. HFA wasn't on the line. Indy was going through the motions. If you really want to hang your hat on that game, be my guest, but it doesn't seem smart.

Well all the talk of schedule this, schedule that is funny. They were 13-2 with road losses in the first four weeks. Those two teams were playoff teams and Brown missed a FG or they would have beat Washington also. So this schedule talk can continue because there is nothing else to find fault in. Luckily this is all decided on the field.

Washington also missed a FG early in the game, and IIRC it was an even shorter one than Seattle missed, so thats no excuse.I think theres 6 or 7 teams that could've gone 13-3 with that schedule.

Very doubtful. But again, you are entitled to your opinion and the game is Saturday not in September. We'll see who's talking about schedule after the game. Then there will be a new round of excuses.

 

[surferskin]

priceless: phil simms over the imcomplete TD pass yesterday. i know he's sticking up for his baby but c'mon...just call the game.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

They played 4 playoff teams and went 2-2, but one of those was when Indy was resting their starters so it really was 1-2.

And the Giants blew that game. Which is, admittedly, something the Giants seem to be pretty good at.I think the Skins have a good chance at providing a real defensive shock to Seattle. Whether that's enough depends on what their offense can do. I take no cues from their regular season matchup because this is not the regular season, and the venue has changed.

If I was asked to pick a winner of this game, I wouldn't want to. But if someone held a gun to my head, I'd pick the Redskins.

Thats pretty bold to pick an 8.5 pt underdog. My heart agrees with you, but I'd be lying if I said that I truly thought the Skins were favored to win like I did against TB. Seattle's HFA scares me more than TB's did.

Vegas' opinion has no bearing on mine. I've seen both these teams play, extensively, and I think they're evenly matched. The only reason I lean slightly toward Washington is because the Seahawks haven't faced enough quality teams this year and I think that makes them a little soft.

So I guess all five of these teams are soft since they had the 5 easiest schedules in the NFL:Seattle .430 schedule strength

TB .449

Carolina .449

Chicago .457

Indy .457

Seattle's SOS is even weaker than that. Their SOS got a bump by playing Indy, but Indy didn't play any of their starters at all.

They didn't? Really? Better check your statbook or source. Wrong answer. Also check the score when the starters were pulled.

I wouldn't really include a game against the Colts. They clearly had nothing to play for. The playoffs weren't on the line. HFA wasn't on the line. Indy was going through the motions. If you really want to hang your hat on that game, be my guest, but it doesn't seem smart.

Well all the talk of schedule this, schedule that is funny. They were 13-2 with road losses in the first four weeks. Those two teams were playoff teams and Brown missed a FG or they would have beat Washington also. So this schedule talk can continue because there is nothing else to find fault in. Luckily this is all decided on the field.

Pythagorean Win Theorm says that Seattle is the #2 team in the league.

 

[jwvdcw]

They played 4 playoff teams and went 2-2, but one of those was when Indy was resting their starters so it really was 1-2.

And the Giants blew that game. Which is, admittedly, something the Giants seem to be pretty good at.I think the Skins have a good chance at providing a real defensive shock to Seattle. Whether that's enough depends on what their offense can do. I take no cues from their regular season matchup because this is not the regular season, and the venue has changed.

If I was asked to pick a winner of this game, I wouldn't want to. But if someone held a gun to my head, I'd pick the Redskins.

Thats pretty bold to pick an 8.5 pt underdog. My heart agrees with you, but I'd be lying if I said that I truly thought the Skins were favored to win like I did against TB. Seattle's HFA scares me more than TB's did.

Vegas' opinion has no bearing on mine. I've seen both these teams play, extensively, and I think they're evenly matched. The only reason I lean slightly toward Washington is because the Seahawks haven't faced enough quality teams this year and I think that makes them a little soft.

So I guess all five of these teams are soft since they had the 5 easiest schedules in the NFL:Seattle .430 schedule strength

TB .449

Carolina .449

Chicago .457

Indy .457

Seattle's SOS is even weaker than that. Their SOS got a bump by playing Indy, but Indy didn't play any of their starters at all.

They didn't? Really? Better check your statbook or source. Wrong answer. Also check the score when the starters were pulled.

I wouldn't really include a game against the Colts. They clearly had nothing to play for. The playoffs weren't on the line. HFA wasn't on the line. Indy was going through the motions. If you really want to hang your hat on that game, be my guest, but it doesn't seem smart.

Well all the talk of schedule this, schedule that is funny. They were 13-2 with road losses in the first four weeks. Those two teams were playoff teams and Brown missed a FG or they would have beat Washington also. So this schedule talk can continue because there is nothing else to find fault in. Luckily this is all decided on the field.

Pythagorean Win Theorm says that Seattle is the #2 team in the league.

what is that?

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

what is that?

You forgot our conversations from last year already?http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...opic=141528&hl=

2006 version:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...opic=219831&hl=

 

[DoctorDetroit]

what is that?

You forgot our conversations from last year already?http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...opic=141528&hl=

2006 version:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...opic=219831&hl=

And once again, knowledge does "reign supreme."

 

[jwvdcw]

what is that?

You forgot our conversations from last year already?http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...opic=141528&hl=

2006 version:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...opic=219831&hl=

Wow, I really don't remember that discussion at all. BTW, did you ever see my rankings of the past 20 super bowl champs- seems like a discussion that you could've added a lot to.

 

[malice]

Opening line:

Seattle -8.5

o/u: 41.5

Wow....8.5 is much higher than I anticipated. However, the Bucs line opened at 2.5 and dropped down to 1 before kickoff, so maybe we can expect to see similar results here.

This is likely why:

Since the NFL added a sixth playoff team in each conference in 1990, the sixth seed has never gotten to the conference championship game, let alone the Super Bowl. And when the sixth seed loses, it usually loses a blowout: Sixth seeds have a record of 9-30, and those 30 losses have come by an average margin of 17 points.

source

 

[jwvdcw]

Opening line:

Seattle -8.5

o/u: 41.5

Wow....8.5 is much higher than I anticipated. However, the Bucs line opened at 2.5 and dropped down to 1 before kickoff, so maybe we can expect to see similar results here.

This is likely why:

Since the NFL added a sixth playoff team in each conference in 1990, the sixth seed has never gotten to the conference championship game, let alone the Super Bowl. And when the sixth seed loses, it usually loses a blowout: Sixth seeds have a record of 9-30, and those 30 losses have come by an average margin of 17 points.

source

Yes, but look at Gibbs' record in the playoffs. He even has a winning road record! He has shown that normal conventional stats don't apply to him.

 

[AB in DC]

Found something interesting about Seattle's schedule. Take a look at their home games against the three best teams they faced (not counting Indy and their 2d stringers):

Sun 9/18 Atlanta W 21-18

Sun 10/23 Dallas W 13-10

Sun 11/27 NY Giants W 24-21

All three were three-point wins, and all were against teams that have gone home for the year.Now they play Washington, who is clearly a better team than any of these three at this point.

If Seattle only beats Atlanta by 3, Dallas by 3 on a dumb Bledsoe throw, and NYG by 3 on Jay Feely's worst day of his career -- all at home -- just how good are they really??

 

[redman]

Here's my take on this upcoming game. The Redskins defense gives them a chance to win any game. I think they have it in them to hold any offense in the league to under 20 points. Their offense has been up and down. During a few games they've looked phenomenol. More often they've looked average or worse. If they show up with the same offense that played in Tampa, they have no right to expect a win. Turnovers are great - and they're generating them, but you can't build a game plan around turnovers you're going to cause. Nevertheless, here's why I like them in Seattle. As has been amply argued in this thread, Washington has played a nasty schedule and has absolutely great team chemistry and a very tough attitude. They're used to being in dog fights and have played for the last six weeks with the knowledge that one more loss will end the season for them. Seattle hasn't had nearly that kind of test this season. When they've had challenges, they've come up small as often as not. The 'Skins played them to overtime in week 4, winning 20-17 and holding Alexander, Hasselbeck and company largely in check. It was one of Seattle's worst offensive performances of the season. That's precisely the kind of game the 'Skins know exactly how to win. Seattle will not have their way with this defense. It won't happen. And I don't think the Seahawks will quite know what to do when they find themselves halfway through the third quarter with a 3 point ballgame against a team that lacks their firepower but that just won't go away. Skins 16 - Seahawks 13.

 

[jwvdcw]

Their offense has been up and down.  During a few games they've looked phenomenol.  More often they've looked average or worse.  If they show up with the same offense that played in Tampa, they have no right to expect a win.  Turnovers are great - and they're generating them, but you can't build a game plan around turnovers you're going to cause. 

Seriously, has any unit in the NFL been harder to predict than the Skins offense? Against the Giants and Cowboys they looked like legitimately the best offense in the league. They put up 35 points against Dallas in practically one half of football! And then theres performances like against the Bucs. But I really don't fault their offense as much as most do regarding that performance. If you recall, they had a very successful first drive- they drove to the 35 before punting and had Moss wide open in the end zone on that HB Option that Portis underthrew. Then their defense forced a TO and Washington scored on the first play. Then their defense scored a TD of their own and the game changed- Washington's offense stopped trying to score and just tried to manage the game. In short, I don't think they would've been as terrible if they had needed to score more.

I predict this game to have much more offense than the Bucs game. I think both teams score over 20. I never bet on my own team, but I'm loving the Skins +8.5. I simply don't see them getting blown out, although I could see them give up a late score and losing by 10 or so, thus not covering.

In the end, I think this game is within a score in the 4th quarter and will come down to a few key plays. Hopefully, the Skins can make those plays.

 

[Capella]

seriously, good luck to the Skins this week, but if the Hawks don't win this game they should burn the franchise down to the ground.a week off for Seattle, a team that is hurt a little in Wash, coming off a physical game, where they gained 100 yards of offense AND THEN flying clear across the entire country...I just don't see how Wash pulls this one out.we'll see I guess. I think Seattle wins by 10 at least, but the Skins do have a good D.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Found something interesting about Seattle's schedule. Take a look at their home games against the three best teams they faced (not counting Indy and their 2d stringers):

Sun 9/18 Atlanta W 21-18

Sun 10/23 Dallas W 13-10

Sun 11/27 NY Giants W 24-21

All three were three-point wins, and all were against teams that have gone home for the year.Now they play Washington, who is clearly a better team than any of these three at this point.

If Seattle only beats Atlanta by 3, Dallas by 3 on a dumb Bledsoe throw, and NYG by 3 on Jay Feely's worst day of his career -- all at home -- just how good are they really??

Washington lost at home to Oakland. How good are they really? See, it works both ways.