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Kool-Aid Larry
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that was pretty much all 4th quarter - fyi
be warned....
be warned....
Nemesis Enforcer
Footballguy
It was late in the 4th when the two tds came, first one he caught sliding in the end zone with a guy all over him, it was a nice catch and he showed good concentration. The second one (think it was 71 yards) seemed like he put a double move on the CB, couldn't really tell due to the camera angle but he blew past the CB (who was also flagged for illegal contact) and he caught it wide open and went untouched into the end zone.
Not sure how much he will see the field right now with Hixon, Smith and Manningham in front of him but I really like him in dynasty leagues. I don't think Manningham has looked too bad this year after being nonexistent so far in his career. He sure seems to be targeted a lot.
Not sure how much he will see the field right now with Hixon, Smith and Manningham in front of him but I really like him in dynasty leagues. I don't think Manningham has looked too bad this year after being nonexistent so far in his career. He sure seems to be targeted a lot.
identikit
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jwb
Footballguy
It was 4th qtr / Carr, but still... those are nice numbers. And he's a first round pick - this is something we expect from him at some point.
The thing is, the other Giant WR's look awful. There's just nobody stepping up. Hixon could perhaps be a nice NFL WR2, but from what I've seen last year and this preseason, he's not ever going to be the main guy, and won't instill fear in anyone. Smith doesn't look the part either, nor does Manningham. All of these guys are complimentary, interchangable parts (although Smith can/will carve himself out a nice role in the slot.) After seeing tonight, there is almost no question in my mind: Nicks is going to be their WR1 sooner rather than later. Don't know where one should draft him in redraft, but I personally would draft him over any other Giant WR (or Jet not named Cotchery).
The thing is, the other Giant WR's look awful. There's just nobody stepping up. Hixon could perhaps be a nice NFL WR2, but from what I've seen last year and this preseason, he's not ever going to be the main guy, and won't instill fear in anyone. Smith doesn't look the part either, nor does Manningham. All of these guys are complimentary, interchangable parts (although Smith can/will carve himself out a nice role in the slot.) After seeing tonight, there is almost no question in my mind: Nicks is going to be their WR1 sooner rather than later. Don't know where one should draft him in redraft, but I personally would draft him over any other Giant WR (or Jet not named Cotchery).
He is definetly worth taking as a # 4or 5 reciever. the rest of theWR's are a pathetic group. easily see him becoming #1 there and putting up #3 WR stats by mid year. Think about it Smith and Manningham are impressing nobody. Hixon is ok. of all the rookie recievers I think he will be the best this year. Games like this build confidence in him to himself and to his coaches/QB. lets just see if he can nail down a starting job at some point.
super sleeper
Footballguy
With the other receivers dropping balls all night, we might see Hicks sooner rather than later. His trademark hands and speed were on display tonight, despite the level of competition.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
How many teams in that league? I look at WR4 and WR5 as positions I am much more likely to use than RB4 or RB5...so I'm not sure he is worth that high of a pick. You think he finishes top40? I'm not sure he is really draftable in most 12 team leagues where you carry 5 WRs. Very borderline IMHO.
dparker713
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He displayed fantastic hands, but he still has a ways to go before he'll see significant PT
baconisgood
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The first TD the guy is all over him because he couldn't get separation- he makes a very nice read, adjustment and catch . The 2nd TD was a CB blitz where the CB covering Nicks came in- Carr read it and hit him, hes wide open because the safety blew his coverage and tried to hold him.
DynOmite
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I think the coaching staff screwed up here. No Giant WR stepped up with the first team in the first 2 preseason games and yet, Coughlin still didn't give Nicks much time with Eli in game #3. Now it's too late to see what Nicks can do with the ones since Eli will barely play in game 4.
Yellow Line is Unoffcial
Footballguy
Nicks played with and against 3rd teamers. It means about as much as PJ Hills' 12-83-2 line for the Saints
HellToupee
Footballguy
Close but not quite the same. His 1st TD was a quality catch . Against starters or 3rd teamers that was a talented play. The 2nd TD was awful defense but Nicks did his job.
Ministry of Pain
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I am ewatching the replay on NFL network...Holy Guacomole do the 1st team WRs stink for the NYG...I was high on Hixon, still am but he dropped a ball where Bart Scott hit him and then it was an interception. Steve SMith dropped a ball that was equal to if not worse than the one Hixon dropped wide open deep lst season. Smith just flat out whiffed...he had the coverage beat, wide open, perfect pass from Eli dropping it in his bread basket and Smith drops it...Jimmy Johnson would have cut him for doing that.
This is why the Ginats might not make the playoffs after all.
This is why the Ginats might not make the playoffs after all.
Multiple Scores
Footballguy
Classic game in the mold of David Clowney.
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
Fortunately they can get smart and plug in Nicks instead.
jwb
Footballguy
I disagree here - Nicks was a first round pick, and is generally expected/hoped to be their #1 at some point. I'm also looking at this from a dynasty perspective. He's still late-round material in redrafts.
Traders2001
Footballguy
In the 4th quarter .
JohnnyU
Footballguy
He oozes with talent and will soon be the #1 WR in NY. I guarantee you that will come to pass, barring injury of course.
identikit
Footballguy
Well that settles it then.../threadSeriously, I agree with Johnny on this one...
wasted space 25
Footballguy
Manningham, S. Smith, S. Moss, D. Hixon have all had their chance and havent seized the opportunity. None of those guys can or will be number one WR's. That leaves the first rounder Nicks. First round WR with unreal college stats and the big frame to go with it. Hakeem Nicks has an easy clear road to the number one WR spot in NY. I wouldnt be surprised if Ramses Barden is the number 3 by mid season either.
If that comes to pass then I expect the Giants season will be toast.Rookie WR's making an impact are few and far between. Last year Eddie Royal and Desean Jackson were 900 yds guys. Royal had 5 rec TD's and Jackson had 2. Nice numbers for a TE - mediocre for a starting WR.
prefontaine
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True. I mean it's not like the Eagles were any good. For fantasy purposes, you may not be a big fan of 900-5 type seasons, but from the Giants perspective, do you really expect any receiver to exceed that? I would think that is about where Hixon will be and there will be a lot of others that will end up with 450-3 type seasons. And last year, no WR on the Giants broke 600 yards fyi. But it's fairly likely that someone will emerge towards the end of the season to be the guy and right now, my money is on Nicks. Personally I'm less concerned with season totals and more concerned with how he might do if and when he emerges because a 600-5 season with most of that coming in the last half I can certainly live with.
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JohnnyU
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It's not like any of their other WRs are any better than 900/5
Might as well go with the talented one.lord_helmet
Footballguy
Nice to see this bandwagon gain a little steam, the other bums won't hold Nicks back for long.
I don't think that has been determined yet. If Plexico's screwup had not occurred do you think the Giants draft would have looked the same ? I think teams draft for need much more ofter than BPA.My comments on WR's are just about their FF prospects only. I'll leave it to the Giant's coaches to decide who gives them the best chances to win the real games.It's not like any of their other WRs are any better than 900/5Might as well go with the talented one.
baconisgood
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Smith, Hixon and Manningham are 3rd, 3rd and 2nd year players. Seizing the opportunity often takes a couple of years. Normally if a 3rd year receiver was coming off a large uptick in production in his 2nd year with more than half of his production coming in the latter part of the season- and was assured of a starting job to begin the year people would be all over him (Hixon).
jwb
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It's not just numbers / years though... having watched almost all of Hixon's games, it's hard to be overly impressed with him. I mean in the context of a bonafide WR1 (or up and coming WR1). He's not necessarily a bad player, and can definitely be a decent NFL WR2/3 (and perhaps a FF WR3), but from what he's shown, he's just not going to be stud/WR1 material. He's a good football player who will be an asset to his team, but isn't someone I'm going out of my way to get onto my FF team. Nicks, however... I'd definitely like him on my dynasty squad.Anyone in a dynasty league going to give up Nicks for Hixon? How about Nicks for Hixon and Manningham... heck, let's throw in Smith too. You give Nicks; you get Hixon, Manningham and Smith. Anyone making that trade?
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Michael Fox Fan
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All the Nicks doubters in here.....I'm sure the Giants drafted him in the 1st rd (rather than ponying up for Boldin) because they want him to sit on the bench.
Other than his injury, all the news from minicamp and training camp has been positive. When he's on the field he is producing - the guy can't control who else is out there with him. So why the negativity? Nobody is saying he will outproduce Randy Moss. We're saying he has a great shot to be the #1 WR because the opportunity exists.
Other than his injury, all the news from minicamp and training camp has been positive. When he's on the field he is producing - the guy can't control who else is out there with him. So why the negativity? Nobody is saying he will outproduce Randy Moss. We're saying he has a great shot to be the #1 WR because the opportunity exists.
Avery
Footballguy
This is useless.
If you can tell me where else a rookie can show a coaching staff that he is "game ready" and deserves more playing time before we get into the season please let us know.Yeah it's pre-season. Yeah it's was the 4th quarter but in a WR situation as unsettled as the Giants have, if you think the coaches didn't notice Nicks doing well and didn't notice the other WRs doing poorly you have relaxed too much and should pay closer attention.
texasbirdfan
Footballguy
agreedThis is useless.
baconisgood
Footballguy
Dynasty is obviously different, but in terms of redraft I have Hixon > Nicks. Hixon's upside maybe lower but hes more likely to hit it this year. 1,000 + 6 is reasonable if he holds on to the starting job the wholeyear. Dynasty is obviously a totally different animal and so much more depends on your teams current makeup and what years you are projecting yourself to be competitive. Nicks is a better long term bet there.
dapunisher
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I'm a Tar Heel, so I watched a lot of Hicks as a college player. I thought the Giants would love the guy, but then I had heard suggestions that he had been struggling in camp. He is an absolute freak of nature with some of the catches you will see him make. He has a knack for big plays and he's a football player through and through. I realize that it's just preseason and that he did his damage against bench players, but I believe that once he learns the offense and adjusts to the speed of the game, he will be a real impact player.
Avery
Footballguy
Then I'd think you'd know his name.
JohnnyU
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WTF are we supposed to look at? it's not as if he's a unkown, or a questionable talent.
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Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
He's just being an intentional pain. Ignore it.
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
Where did you hear this? Other than being slowed by injury, everything I've read since the draft suggested that Nicks was impressing coaches and teammates.
FUBAR
Footballguy
I haven't watched any of him in pre-season and only a few times in college. Thankfully one game I did watch was "the catch" where Nicks went up on all of our radars.
He seems to have great hands, great concentration, but does he have the rest of the required skill set to be a #1? Will he be a Brandon Lloyd type (feel free to slap me for that, but he also made great plays)?
My hope is he and Smith fall into a good 1/2 tandem in a year or two, I've never been high on Hixon and Mario is too inconsistent to be relied upon.
He seems to have great hands, great concentration, but does he have the rest of the required skill set to be a #1? Will he be a Brandon Lloyd type (feel free to slap me for that, but he also made great plays)?
My hope is he and Smith fall into a good 1/2 tandem in a year or two, I've never been high on Hixon and Mario is too inconsistent to be relied upon.
ALl over the sports radio here in NY/NJ they ( fans and sports commentators) are pretty much deeming him a starter so lets hope the coaches listen. Sounds like Tom Coughlin is listening and word is he will maybe be the #3 WR.
Ralph Vacchiano, of the New York Daily News, reports New York Giants WR Hakeem Nicks could be in line for more playing time after his performance Saturday, Aug. 29, according to head coach Tom Coughlin. Nicks caught six passes for 144 yards and two touchdowns during the preseason game.
Our view: It was a preseason game, and it was against the Jets' third-string defense, but Hakeem Nicks was completely dominant. Nicks is currently listed as fourth on the depth chart, but could quickly rise up the charts if he continues to play like this. In a year or two, Nicks could develop into one of the best receivers in the league, the real question is - will QB Eli Manning hold back his potential?
The Blue Screen
by Ralph Vacchiano
AUGUST 30, 2009 4:12 PMBY RALPH VACCHIANO
Nicks earns "consideration" for bigger role
Hakeem Nicks’ performance last night might not have been enough to vault the rookie into the starting lineup, but it sure did get the coaches’ attention.
In fact, Tom Coughlin said that Nicks’ six-catch, 144-yard performance against the Jets has earned the rookie “prime consideration” for a move up the depth chart. He wouldn’t commit to anything specific, but obviously it’s something he’ll be thinking about the next two weeks.
“Well, he certainly was impressive,” Coughlin said on a conference call with reporters this afternoon. “And he is a guy that obviously is going to make the tough catch, and he really has been doing that. So that (a move up the depth chart) has not been discussed. It certainly puts him in position where he’ll get prime consideration.”
Nicks lit up the Jets’ third-string defense last night, making an impressive 22-yard touchdown grab despite tough coverage by Jets CB Drew Coleman. He also made another 71-yard touchdown catch where he got wide open down the sideline after making the correct adjustment after a veteran-like read of an impending Jets blitz.
Because of plays like that, Coughlin said he’d have no issue giving a bigger role to a rookie receiver, as long as it’s earned.
“Oh, certainly,” he said. “The thing about it that you have to understand is that it’s what’s earned. It’s exactly what’s earned. Obviously last night he played well. He certainly has earned the right to be a factor.”
It didn’t hurt, of course, that Nicks’ performance - - which included six catches on seven balls thrown to him - - came on a night when Steve Smith, Domenik Hixon and Mario Manningham all dropped passes in key spots.
Ralph Vacchiano, of the New York Daily News, reports New York Giants WR Hakeem Nicks could be in line for more playing time after his performance Saturday, Aug. 29, according to head coach Tom Coughlin. Nicks caught six passes for 144 yards and two touchdowns during the preseason game.
Our view: It was a preseason game, and it was against the Jets' third-string defense, but Hakeem Nicks was completely dominant. Nicks is currently listed as fourth on the depth chart, but could quickly rise up the charts if he continues to play like this. In a year or two, Nicks could develop into one of the best receivers in the league, the real question is - will QB Eli Manning hold back his potential?
The Blue Screen
by Ralph Vacchiano
AUGUST 30, 2009 4:12 PMBY RALPH VACCHIANO
Nicks earns "consideration" for bigger role
Hakeem Nicks’ performance last night might not have been enough to vault the rookie into the starting lineup, but it sure did get the coaches’ attention.
In fact, Tom Coughlin said that Nicks’ six-catch, 144-yard performance against the Jets has earned the rookie “prime consideration” for a move up the depth chart. He wouldn’t commit to anything specific, but obviously it’s something he’ll be thinking about the next two weeks.
“Well, he certainly was impressive,” Coughlin said on a conference call with reporters this afternoon. “And he is a guy that obviously is going to make the tough catch, and he really has been doing that. So that (a move up the depth chart) has not been discussed. It certainly puts him in position where he’ll get prime consideration.”
Nicks lit up the Jets’ third-string defense last night, making an impressive 22-yard touchdown grab despite tough coverage by Jets CB Drew Coleman. He also made another 71-yard touchdown catch where he got wide open down the sideline after making the correct adjustment after a veteran-like read of an impending Jets blitz.
Because of plays like that, Coughlin said he’d have no issue giving a bigger role to a rookie receiver, as long as it’s earned.
“Oh, certainly,” he said. “The thing about it that you have to understand is that it’s what’s earned. It’s exactly what’s earned. Obviously last night he played well. He certainly has earned the right to be a factor.”
It didn’t hurt, of course, that Nicks’ performance - - which included six catches on seven balls thrown to him - - came on a night when Steve Smith, Domenik Hixon and Mario Manningham all dropped passes in key spots.
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TheBradyBunch
Footballguy
This is probably a silly question, but is he a good character kid from what's been said/written?
I dont know too much about him personally but I have never heard any talk on WFAN the local sports radio about any character issues with him. Not saying there are none just saying they dont mention it. Got the feeling he will play a bunch next week.
Following a 144-yard, two-touchdown performance in the Giants' third preseason game, Giants coach Tom Coughlin said Hakeem Nicks has earned "prime consideration" for a move up the depth chart.
This may also be an admission that Coughlin isn't thrilled with Domenik Hixon, whose drop Saturday was picked off by David Harris and led to a Jets touchdown. Nicks needs to keep it up in remaining camp practices and the preseason finale, but he could make it a 50:50 rotation at split end with Hixon in Week 1. It's why Hixon's been overvalued in fantasy drafts to this point.
Following a 144-yard, two-touchdown performance in the Giants' third preseason game, Giants coach Tom Coughlin said Hakeem Nicks has earned "prime consideration" for a move up the depth chart.
This may also be an admission that Coughlin isn't thrilled with Domenik Hixon, whose drop Saturday was picked off by David Harris and led to a Jets touchdown. Nicks needs to keep it up in remaining camp practices and the preseason finale, but he could make it a 50:50 rotation at split end with Hixon in Week 1. It's why Hixon's been overvalued in fantasy drafts to this point.
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Riffraff
Footballguy
My opinion is that it was against 3rd stringers and that Nicks was a third stringer as well. He showed that at that level of competition that he was a man amongst boys. Easily earned himself the opportunity to play against the next level of competition. Maybe starting isn't the chance he gets just yet, but more playing time should be given.
I'd worry more about players that don't perform at a higher level than potential roster cuts. There's more rookies every off-season that don't show that spark when the pads are on.
I'd worry more about players that don't perform at a higher level than potential roster cuts. There's more rookies every off-season that don't show that spark when the pads are on.
Avery
Footballguy
Agreed.Although due to a slow start in camp with injury issues, the payoff may not be as immediate and some hoped, or the Giants need.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
He went for $12 in an auction I had last night in a keeper auction. Then again, half the league went to UNC and some were pansies early in the auction and had alot of money left at the end to spend (Kenny Britt went for $9, Percy went for $18).
If he's healthy, I don't think $12 will seem over-priced.
If he's healthy, I don't think $12 will seem over-priced.
