Hands-Of-Stone Team (1 Viewer)

[Hugonel]

I had TO last year and I will never draft him again. Yeah, his final numbers are good but I can't stomach the drops, especially as he got enough TV time where I could watch them.

Who is on your Hands-of-Stone Team?

1. T.O.

2. Braylon Edwards

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[Godsbrother]

Nate Washington. Not that he would be anyone's top WR but he might be tempting as a #3 or #4 WR. He makes some nice catches but he drops a lot too.

 

[Maven]

Calvin Johnson

126 tot rec / 243 targets = 51% career catch rate = stone hands = pass

 

[billymays]

Nate Washington. Not that he would be anyone's top WR but he might be tempting as a #3 or #4 WR. He makes some nice catches but he drops a lot too.

bit off topic but get ready for shaun mcdonald, while his hands are only average at best the real annoying thing is how everytime he catches a ball he is clearly two yards ahead of the sticks and instead sticking his cleat in the dirt and getting the first down he lets his momentum take him toward his own line of scrimmage then he tries to round off his r.a.c. only to be tackled a yard short......very annoying. the computer generated yellow line was made to make him look like an idiot. just remember this steeler fans.....billymays told you first.

 

[billymays]

Calvin Johnson126 tot rec / 243 targets = 51% career catch rate = stone hands = pass

not really

 

[Lord Fantasy]

Perhaps this is a newbie question, but I'm curious if a target is by definition a catchable ball, or simply a ball that was intended for a receiver even if it was wildly over- or underthrown.

I'm not trying to make excuses for Braylon Edwards for his 55 catches on 138(!) targets. But is some of the blame on the QB?

 

[Defending Champs]

Perhaps this is a newbie question, but I'm curious if a target is by definition a catchable ball, or simply a ball that was intended for a receiver even if it was wildly over- or underthrown.I'm not trying to make excuses for Braylon Edwards for his 55 catches on 138(!) targets. But is some of the blame on the QB?

Targets are just that, targets. You are correct in your assumption, many cases it is the QB or even the DB making a play. Some are just dropped ball though. I don't believe there is a destinction that I have come across.

 

[Maven]

http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders...ng&rank=232

NFL Leaders: Pass Dropped (Thru Dec. 28, 2008)

Rank Player Team Stats

1 Braylon Edwards Cle 16

2 Dwayne Bowe KC 13

3 Brandon Marshall Den 12

4 Terrell Owens Dal 10

5t Calvin Johnson Det 9

5t Roddy White Atl 9

7t Laveranues Coles NYJ 8

7t Marques Colston NO 8

7t Greg Jennings GB 8

7t Marcedes Lewis Jac 8

7t Marshawn Lynch Buf 8

7t Santana Moss Was 8

7t Muhsin Muhammad Car 8

14t Bernard Berrian Min 7

14t Dallas Clark Ind 7

14t Rashied Davis Chi 7

14t Anthony Gonzalez Ind 7

14t Hines Ward Pit 7

19t Donald Driver GB 6

19t Warrick Dunn TB 6

19t Bobby Engram Sea 6

19t Jabar Gaffney NE 6

19t Justin Gage Ten 6

19t Ted Ginn Jr. Mia 6

19t Madison Hedgecock NYG 6

19t Santonio Holmes Pit 6

19t DeSean Jackson Phi 6

19t Steven Jackson StL 6

19t Chad Johnson Cin 6

19t Zach Miller Oak 6

19t Randy Moss NE 6

19t Koren Robinson Sea 6

19t Robert Royal Buf 6

19t L.J. Smith Phi 6

19t Steve Smith Car 6

19t Amani Toomer NYG 6

19t Bobby Wade Min 6

 

[kremenull]

Calvin Johnson126 tot rec / 243 targets = 51% career catch rate = stone hands = pass

Simply ridiculous.......How about watching some games? If you did, then you'd know it was simply bad QB play as the primary reason for the low catch %. Also, when you are the only playmaker on the offense, double- and triple-teams will occur. Calvin's catch % will probably never be well into the 60s like some other players, but ala R.Moss he'll put up some of the best seasons you'll ever see from the WR position due to his unparalleled explosiveness.

 

[lod01]

Calvin Johnson126 tot rec / 243 targets = 51% career catch rate = stone hands = pass

Simply ridiculous.......How about watching some games? If you did, then you'd know it was simply bad QB play as the primary reason for the low catch %. Also, when you are the only playmaker on the offense, double- and triple-teams will occur. Calvin's catch % will probably never be well into the 60s like some other players, but ala R.Moss he'll put up some of the best seasons you'll ever see from the WR position due to his unparalleled explosiveness.

He should be voted to the Pro Bowl hands down after trying to catch passes from 5 different stiffs last year.Add in the newest version of Troy Williamson to the list. That would be Heyward-Bey.

 

[-jb-]

Top 20 Players, Passes Dropped 20081 B.Edwards CLE 152 M.Lynch BUF 122 S.Moss WAS 122 R.White ATL 125 D.Bowe KC 105 C.Johnson CIN 105 M.Lewis JAC 105 D.Driver GB 109 B.Marshall DEN 99 T.Owens DAL 99 A.Randle El WAS 99 R.Wayne IND 99 M.Colston NO 914 D.Jackson DEN 814 S.Holmes PIT 814 Ro.Williams DET/DAL 814 B.Wade MIN 814 H.Ward PIT 814 D.Hester CHI 814 G.Jennings GB 8

any chance this data is available as a % to total?

 

[-jb-]

Perhaps this is a newbie question, but I'm curious if a target is by definition a catchable ball, or simply a ball that was intended for a receiver even if it was wildly over- or underthrown.I'm not trying to make excuses for Braylon Edwards for his 55 catches on 138(!) targets. But is some of the blame on the QB?

Targets are just that, targets. You are correct in your assumption, many cases it is the QB or even the DB making a play. Some are just dropped ball though. I don't believe there is a destinction that I have come across.

Based on the stats that Maven just posted, this can't be true.

 

[Defending Champs]

Perhaps this is a newbie question, but I'm curious if a target is by definition a catchable ball, or simply a ball that was intended for a receiver even if it was wildly over- or underthrown.I'm not trying to make excuses for Braylon Edwards for his 55 catches on 138(!) targets. But is some of the blame on the QB?

Targets are just that, targets. You are correct in your assumption, many cases it is the QB or even the DB making a play. Some are just dropped ball though. I don't believe there is a destinction that I have come across.

Based on the stats that Maven just posted, this can't be true.

Well, I was responding to the targets question. Which does line up with Maven's numbers. I noted that there are some that are dropped balls and I believe that Maven included those numbers. Have I confused it more?

 

[Maven]

Calvin Johnson

126 tot rec / 243 targets = 51% career catch rate = stone hands = pass

Simply ridiculous.......How about watching some games? If you did, then you'd know it was simply bad QB play as the primary reason for the low catch %. Also, when you are the only playmaker on the offense, double- and triple-teams will occur. Calvin's catch % will probably never be well into the 60s like some other players, but ala R.Moss he'll put up some of the best seasons you'll ever see from the WR position due to his unparalleled explosiveness.

Det QBs threw about 55% over the past two years. If they bumped % up to a respectable 60%, that ratio would still be in the low 50s. From 2008 Summer

While Johnson made numerous highlight-reel catches, he also dropped a lot of passes. They mostly came after the injury, but Marinelli didn't care.

"There's no explanation, no excuses -- catch it," he said. "That's what you've got to do. That's why he's here. Make the play."

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2008/..._for_big_2.html

http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders...ng&rank=232He drops a high % of his passes, its a fact.

 

[Maven]

Top 20 Players, Passes Dropped 20081 B.Edwards CLE 152 M.Lynch BUF 122 S.Moss WAS 122 R.White ATL 125 D.Bowe KC 105 C.Johnson CIN 105 M.Lewis JAC 105 D.Driver GB 109 B.Marshall DEN 99 T.Owens DAL 99 A.Randle El WAS 99 R.Wayne IND 99 M.Colston NO 914 D.Jackson DEN 814 S.Holmes PIT 814 Ro.Williams DET/DAL 814 B.Wade MIN 814 H.Ward PIT 814 D.Hester CHI 814 G.Jennings GB 8

any chance this data is available as a % to total?

I dunno I took it from Football Outsiders mag... check the link I just posted.

 

[Wyld Stallyns]

Calvin Johnson126 tot rec / 243 targets = 51% career catch rate = stone hands = pass

Please start spreading the news on Calvin "stone hands" Johnson asap. I'd love for all my leaguemates to buy into that theory as well.

 

[Defending Champs]

When you look at the QB's from Detroit as a whole, the percentage is 55% which includes some higher percentage tosses to TE's and some to RB's out of the backfield. wouldn't Calvin Johnson's targets be considered higher risk thus the lower percentage completion ratio? Especially taking into consideration down field balls as well as double and triple coverages?

 

[Maven]

Look I dont hate Calvin...I love him...hes great. I'm just not drafting him and I think he has below average hands.

 

[Defending Champs]

I wasn't indicating either way love/hate...doesn't matter. I was just making an additional point that's all. I think he's a hell of a talent and have followed him locally as I live here in the heart of Ga Tech country. Just sparking conversation, don't really care either way.

 

[tomarken]

Don't forget, unless your league has some strange scoring system where you're rewarded for your catch %, I'll still take a guy who catches 55% of 150 targets over a guy who catches 70% of 80 targets. I really wouldn't worry too much about "avoiding" guys like TO and Megatron - there's a reason they're considered elite receivers, in the NFL and in fantasy, regardless of what the stat geeks come up with.

 

[fightingillini]

Don't forget, unless your league has some strange scoring system where you're rewarded for your catch %, I'll still take a guy who catches 55% of 150 targets over a guy who catches 70% of 80 targets. I really wouldn't worry too much about "avoiding" guys like TO and Megatron - there's a reason they're considered elite receivers, in the NFL and in fantasy, regardless of what the stat geeks come up with.

The principle shows that targets matter first, then catch %.Also, Calvin can take ANY catch to the house, from anywhere on the football field.

 

[Godsbrother]

Nate Washington. Not that he would be anyone's top WR but he might be tempting as a #3 or #4 WR. He makes some nice catches but he drops a lot too.

bit off topic but get ready for shaun mcdonald, while his hands are only average at best the real annoying thing is how everytime he catches a ball he is clearly two yards ahead of the sticks and instead sticking his cleat in the dirt and getting the first down he lets his momentum take him toward his own line of scrimmage then he tries to round off his r.a.c. only to be tackled a yard short......very annoying. the computer generated yellow line was made to make him look like an idiot. just remember this steeler fans.....billymays told you first.

I wasn't comparing Washington's hands with McDonald. Frankly I don't know which one has better hands only that Washington had a knack of dropping some key first downs that were seemingly easy catches though to be fair he made some difficult catches that went for big plays as well.As for McDonald, I don't know if he's even going to make the club. If he does I will keep your post in mind.

 

[Horrorshow]

Top 20 Players, Passes Dropped 2008

1 B.Edwards CLE 15

2 M.Lynch BUF 12

2 S.Moss WAS 12

2 R.White ATL 12

5 D.Bowe KC 10

5 C.Johnson CIN 10

5 M.Lewis JAC 10

5 D.Driver GB 10

9 B.Marshall DEN 9

9 T.Owens DAL 9

9 A.Randle El WAS 9

9 R.Wayne IND 9

9 M.Colston NO 9

14 D.Jackson DEN 8

14 S.Holmes PIT 8

14 Ro.Williams DET/DAL 8

14 B.Wade MIN 8

14 H.Ward PIT 8

14 D.Hester CHI 8

14 G.Jennings GB 8

any chance this data is available as a % to total?

You might find the following link of interest;http://www.profootballfocus.com/by_positio...&numgames=1

 

[jurb26]

http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders...ng&rank=232

NFL Leaders: Pass Dropped (Thru Dec. 28, 2008)

Rank Player Team Stats

1 Braylon Edwards Cle 16

2 Dwayne Bowe KC 13

3 Brandon Marshall Den 12

4 Terrell Owens Dal 10

5t Calvin Johnson Det 9

5t Roddy White Atl 9

Calvin Johnson

126 tot rec / 243 targets = 51% career catch rate = stone hands = pass

Simply ridiculous.......How about watching some games? If you did, then you'd know it was simply bad QB play as the primary reason for the low catch %. Also, when you are the only playmaker on the offense, double- and triple-teams will occur. Calvin's catch % will probably never be well into the 60s like some other players, but ala R.Moss he'll put up some of the best seasons you'll ever see from the WR position due to his unparalleled explosiveness.

Seems it isn't all that ridiculous after all....Gotta love when people get their panties all in a bunch at any spec of criticism for one of their golden boys.

 

[Inspiration]

any chance this data is available as a % to total?

Receivers with at least 60 targets (sorry for the terrible formatting)Name / Drops / PercentageBraylon Edwards 16 22.54%Rashied Davis 7 16.67%Justin Gage 6 15.00%Marques Colston 8 14.55%Jabar Gaffney 6 13.64%Dwayne Bowe 13 13.13%Bernard Berrian 7 12.73%Roy Williams 5 12.20%Terrell Owens 9 11.54%Bobby Engram 6 11.32%Amani Toomer 6 11.11%Muhsin Muhammad 8 10.96%Calvin Johnson 9 10.34%Plaxico Burress 4 10.26%Laveranues Coles 8 10.26%Dennis Northcutt 5 10.20%Bobby Wade 6 10.17%Santonio Holmes 6 9.84%Ted Ginn Jr. 6 9.68%Brandon Marshall 11 9.57%Anthony Gonzalez 6 9.52%Reggie Williams 4 9.52%Santana Moss 8 9.20%Nate Washington 4 9.09%DeSean Jackson 6 8.82%Devin Hester 5 8.77%Chad Johnson 5 8.62%Antwaan Randle El 5 8.62%Roddy White 8 8.33%Kevin Curtis 3 8.33%Chris Chambers 3 8.33%Greg Jennings 7 8.05%Randy Moss 6 8.00%Shaun McDonald 3 7.89%Hines Ward 7 7.87%Brandon Stokley 4 7.55%Donald Driver 6 7.50%Steve Smith 6 7.14%Patrick Crayton 3 7.14%Vincent Jackson 4 6.35%Mark Bradley 2 6.25%Bryant Johnson 3 6.25%Matt Jones 4 5.88%Antonio Bryant 5 5.62%Davone Bess 3 5.26%T.J. Houshmandzadeh 5 5.15%Steve Smith 3 5.00%Michael Clayton 2 5.00%Steve Breaston 4 4.94%Derrick Mason 4 4.76%Torry Holt 3 4.48%Domenik Hixon 2 4.44%Anquan Boldin 4 4.30%Andre Johnson 5 4.17%Michael Jenkins 2 3.85%Donnie Avery 2 3.57%Reggie Wayne 3 3.53%Wes Welker 4 3.45%Eddie Royal 3 3.19%Justin McCareins 1 3.13%Lee Evans 2 3.08%Lance Moore 2 2.47%Mark Clayton 1 2.38%Brandon Jones 1 2.38%Larry Fitzgerald 2 2.04%Kevin Walter 1 1.64%Marvin Harrison 1 1.64%Isaac Bruce 1 1.64%Jerricho Cotchery 1 1.39%Josh Reed 0 0.00%Greg Camarillo 0 0.00%