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Hang your hat on one offensive prospect in 2014 Draft. (1 Viewer)

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This thread isn't about who you don't think will succeed. This is a thread to discuss who you think will be the best fantasy prospect in this draft. Define best however you choose. But who do you think is the best prospect in this draft and why.

 
Sammy Watkins as an easy choice.

As a bonus second pick who is currently ranked a little lower...Andre Williams who has great size, decent speed for a back his size, solid pass protection skills, and he is working hard to improve in his pass catching skills. He won't be an explosive top 5 RB that we are all seeking, but he could be similar to an Alfred Morris type of player on the right team and in the right system. I have other players who I think will perhaps be more likely to become better fantasy prospects; however, Williams feels like he has low bust risk and he won't be as high of a rookie draft pick as some of the other players who have higher "potential".

 
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I'm going to guess Marqise Lee. He seems to be the forgotten man this year (just like Keenan Allen last year) and I'm guessing his real life and fantasy draft ADP will wind up being great value for the money.

 
jumper said:
I'm going to guess Marqise Lee. He seems to be the forgotten man this year (just like Keenan Allen last year) and I'm guessing his real life and fantasy draft ADP will wind up being great value for the money.
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Did Lee get injured? Only reason Allen fell was because of his injury. There were talks of him being a 1st rounder before his injury.

 
I'm going to say that Johnny Football could dazzle year 1 like Cam, RG3 and Kaep. In terms of expectations to production, he's my dark horse.

Full disclosure - I don't like his long term prospects. But if he goes to the Browns with those weapons and a bad defense, he could put up some huge numbers playing playground ball.

 
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I expected nothing else but to see everyone jump on Sammy Watkins. Hate to say it, but he is not going to be the best WR in the NFL from this class.

As far as RB though, I am all about some Tre Mason running talent but his blocking skills will limit him. So I will hang my hat on Eric Ebron, this guy has as much elite potential as you can get. Huge guy, nice hands, great routes and can block good enough to be an every down TE. Hope he can digest the football knowledge at the next level and if he does. Wow.

 
I'm going to throw another out for discussion, because Watkins is the clear favorite ITT already (probably the safest bet):

Lache Seastrunk

EBF pointed out in a very interesting thread about how there hasn't been a 1st round caliber running back the last two years, but I think it focuses slightly too much on the 40 time. Basically saying that Seastrunk looks pretty good, but is a tad slow for someone below 210 pounds. I hear that. But although Seastrunk came in at 201 lbs, his playing weight listed for the past year was at 210. This suggests to me that his playing weight is more likely between 201 and 210, as he probably cut down some for the combine and probably isn't the full 210 listed for his college season.

In comparison, Lesean McCoy measured 210 lbs at the combine, and ran the exact same 40 time as Seastrunk (4.5 flat). Seastrunk blows McCoy out of the water in vertical (29 v. 41) and broad jump (8'11'' vs. 11'). This says that like McCoy, he's fast enough, but no one has ever mistaken McCoy for Charles or CJBackWhenHeWas2k. McCoy's game is in his shiftiness and cutting. It looks like Seastrunk can have that same game, but with even more athleticism. Another player who is even smaller, and had basically the same 40 time - Darren Sproles (4.48). He definitely fits the under 210 lbs but not sub-4.4 speed. He's still fast on the field in the NFL.

So the EBF argument against him being 1st round talent basically comes down to 5 lbs and .05 seconds (not just your argument but the general consensus I think). That's not seeing the full picture - Seastrunk doesn't need the 40 times of Best, Bush, Spiller, Charles or CJ. I think he'll be an incredible weapon at RB with "just" 4.5 speed, based on his other measurables, which are essentially equivalent to CJ running the 4.24 - just not about speed, but more general explosiveness/athleticism.

 
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karmarooster said:
I'm going to throw another out for discussion, because Watkins is the clear favorite ITT already (probably the safest bet):

Lache Seastrunk

EBF pointed out in a very interesting thread about how there hasn't been a 1st round caliber running back the last two years, but I think it focuses slightly too much on the 40 time. Basically saying that Seastrunk looks pretty good, but is a tad slow for someone below 210 pounds. I hear that. But although Seastrunk came in at 201 lbs, his playing weight listed for the past year was at 210. This suggests to me that his playing weight is more likely between 201 and 210, as he probably cut down some for the combine and probably isn't the full 210 listed for his college season.

In comparison, Lesean McCoy measured 210 lbs at the combine, and ran the exact same 40 time as Seastrunk (4.5 flat). Seastrunk blows McCoy out of the water in vertical (29 v. 41) and broad jump (8'11'' vs. 11'). This says that like McCoy, he's fast enough, but no one has ever mistake McCoy for Charles or CJBackWhenHeWas2k. McCoy's game is in his shiftiness and cutting. It looks like Seastrunk can have that same game, but with even more athleticism. Another player who is even smaller, and had basically the same 40 time - Darren Sproles (4.48). He definitely fits the under 210 lbs but not sub-4.4 speed. He's still fast on the field in the NFL.

So the EBF argument against him being 1st round talent basically comes down to 5 lbs and .05 seconds (not just you're argument but the general consensus I think). That's not seeing the full picture - Seastrunk doesn't need the 40 times of Best, Bush, Spiller, Charles or CJ. I think he'll be an incredible weapon at RB with "just" 4.5 speed, based on his other measurables, which are essentially equivalent to CJ running the 4.24 - just not about speed, but more general explosiveness/athleticism.
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delete this post please, dont want everyone on my seastrunk bandwagon

 
False Start said:
I expected nothing else but to see everyone jump on Sammy Watkins. Hate to say it, but he is not going to be the best WR in the NFL from this class.

As far as RB though, I am all about some Tre Mason running talent but his blocking skills will limit him. So I will hang my hat on Eric Ebron, this guy has as much elite potential as you can get. Huge guy, nice hands, great routes and can block good enough to be an every down TE. Hope he can digest the football knowledge at the next level and if he does. Wow.
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Not a very bold statement. I have never seen a WR prospect so good that I would take him to be the best WR over the field. Sometimes it happens (Moss, Fitzgerald, Calvin), sometimes it's close (Green vs. Julio, Dez vs. Demaryius, Crabtree/Nicks/Harvin), sometimes it's a huge bust (Charles Rodgers, Big Mike Williams, Braylon Edwards), but typically when you're comparing 1 WR to a group of 20, that group of 20 has much better odds of producing the best receiver.

The thing is, while ALL OTHER WRS COMBINED might have a better chance of producing the best WR of the 2014 class, you can't just draft "ALL WRS" with your draft pick, and there's no other individual receiver whose odds are anywhere near Sammy's.

 
Since fantasy generally values RB over WR, so will I here, so I'll say Jeremy Hill.

Despite running a only a 4.66 at the combine, he's got real nice speed for a big back, as evidenced by his numerous 40-50+ yard rushes last season, and if you watch the highlight clip I'll link to you'll see he's actually running away from SEC DB's on these plays, so personally I have no doubt that he has enough speed to be an NFL lead back, especially for someone who's 230+lbs. He's doesn't have great 'make-you-miss' ability, but he's got decent enough wiggle for a big back to combine with his excellent tackle breaking ability to gain lots of yards after contact. Didn't catch a tonne of balls in college, but he did well with the receptions he did get for a 10+ yards per reception total, and he looked natural enough catching the ball that I think he definitely has the ability to be a 3-down back. He has the best chance to be a bellcow 3 down back of any in this draft imo, and there's no other rookie RB I'd rather have on my fantasy team.

 
karmarooster said:
I'm going to throw another out for discussion, because Watkins is the clear favorite ITT already (probably the safest bet):

Lache Seastrunk

EBF pointed out in a very interesting thread about how there hasn't been a 1st round caliber running back the last two years, but I think it focuses slightly too much on the 40 time. Basically saying that Seastrunk looks pretty good, but is a tad slow for someone below 210 pounds. I hear that. But although Seastrunk came in at 201 lbs, his playing weight listed for the past year was at 210. This suggests to me that his playing weight is more likely between 201 and 210, as he probably cut down some for the combine and probably isn't the full 210 listed for his college season.

In comparison, Lesean McCoy measured 210 lbs at the combine, and ran the exact same 40 time as Seastrunk (4.5 flat). Seastrunk blows McCoy out of the water in vertical (29 v. 41) and broad jump (8'11'' vs. 11'). This says that like McCoy, he's fast enough, but no one has ever mistaken McCoy for Charles or CJBackWhenHeWas2k. McCoy's game is in his shiftiness and cutting. It looks like Seastrunk can have that same game, but with even more athleticism. Another player who is even smaller, and had basically the same 40 time - Darren Sproles (4.48). He definitely fits the under 210 lbs but not sub-4.4 speed. He's still fast on the field in the NFL.

So the EBF argument against him being 1st round talent basically comes down to 5 lbs and .05 seconds (not just your argument but the general consensus I think). That's not seeing the full picture - Seastrunk doesn't need the 40 times of Best, Bush, Spiller, Charles or CJ. I think he'll be an incredible weapon at RB with "just" 4.5 speed, based on his other measurables, which are essentially equivalent to CJ running the 4.24 - just not about speed, but more general explosiveness/athleticism.
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He isn't as elusive as McCoy IMO and isn't expected to be drafted as high. He's explosive and stronger than he looks, but has kind of an awkward lunging running style. It's hard to explain. There's a high ceiling there, but IMO there are safer picks in this RB class. Tre Mason is a pretty good bet to be a solid pro. As long as his team understands his limitations and uses him accordingly, I think Andre Williams will have a pretty decent (albeit injury-plagued) career as well.

There's a disconnect between how highly Seastrunk is rated on these boards and how high I'm seeing him on external sources that I respect. NFL.com, DraftScout, and CFN are all pretty down on him, viewing him as more of a 3rd-4th round talent than a potential 1st-2nd. Not to say that he can't still be great, but it seems like the hype he had on here going into the season as a likely 1st round pick is still lingering when there are some hints that maybe it should be dialed back a little bit. I like him as a home run swing, but he's not at the top of my "safe" prospects list.

 
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Odell Beckham, if we dont wanna jump on the Watkins bandwagon
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Watkins is the scratch pick.

Ebron is a rare TE prospect.

Agree OBJ is a great dark horse pick. Everything about him says future star to me. He has some Harvin in him.

Sweet Love could get his wish. Wouldn't be a surprise if the Jets took him over Marqise Lee. They went into free agency with one of the WR position groups most void of talent in the league (also CAR). Even with Decker, they need more help for Geno Smith (and Decker isn't a natural WR1). The Jets reportedly were interested in Austin last year. OBJ can be a similar do-it-all, multi-purpose threat to take the offense to another level (they extended Cumberland and I think he could have some upside), in a much bigger package. I can't get over how flawless his running form and catching ability are, and his constellation of physical traits and athletic skills includes elusiveness and toughness.

 
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I think the safest prospect at each position is:

Mason

Beckham

Ebron

Not saying those guys will have the most valuable careers, but there's no obvious reason why any of them will bust outright. Ebron could be a little faster with better hands, Beckham could be bigger and a little faster, Mason could also be bigger and a little faster. They're not perfect, but IMO those are the most "flawless" prospects in this draft. There's a pretty big second tier of low-risk guys nipping at their heels as well.

 
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Mason can't block and thus he might bust because he has to learn the position first. That's fine if you're CJ Spiller but if you're a 3rd round pick, your window might be shorter than your learning curve.

 
In the long run, I can't think of a great back who failed because he couldn't block. It's just not something that factors into my analysis at all.

Mason has some things that prevent him from being a first round pick. He's thick for his height, but he's short and the NFL doesn't seem to like short backs in the first round unless they're 220+ or they have blistering speed (Rice, MJD, Sproles, Westbrook are the best 5'8" or shorter backs of the past decade and they were all taken well below where they should've been in hindsight). He's also not super fast. 4.50 is a solid time, but it's not great for a back on the low end of the weight spectrum. He'd probably need at least a 4.4X time to tempt teams in the first round.

He looked great at the combine though. Compact. Explosive in the jumps. Flawless movement in the drills. He also had a monster 2013 season, basically carrying Auburn on his back into the BCS title game. I think he's merely "good" and not amazing on tape, but at the same time there's nothing glaring about him that will prevent him from being at least a decent NFL player. The other backs this year all have more warts IMO. Doesn't mean he's an amazing prospect, but if I were an NFL GM and my owner demanded that I find a solid RB with our draft pick or else get fired, he'd be my choice.

 
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I was actually interested in this thread until I saw it was only for fantasy. Watkins will run away with this and rightfully so. I'd pick G. Robinson as the guy to hang my hat on of all the offensive prospects in the draft though.

 
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Tre Mason.

Giants need to draft a RB of the future, it's doutful that Wilson will live up to his high draft position. Forget about the fumbling problems,he has health issues as well..

they signed Jennings, but he's not a #1 RB, he's a complimentary 2nd stringer..

Tenn could be another perfect fit for Mason, or Houston.

yes, Mason is short on blocking,but he does everything else so well.you can teach blocking, but you can't teach the insane skills he has..

I think he'll be an Opening Day starter,and a fantasy gem for years to come.

 
I have to go with the Biletnikoff award winner Brandin Cooks. Quick and fast, and elusive; and he plays very smart. He jumps really high and has the concentration to make acrobatic catches. All of these characteristics make up for his less than ideal stature.

 
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