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"Hannibal" the TV show (1 Viewer)

I can't understand very much of what Dr. Lecter says. I kept watching, rewinding, turning the volume up, rewinding again . . .

I finally turned the captioning on. Oh, so that's what he was saying. I wasn't getting anything close to that.

Will Graham can be hard to understand at times as well.

Am I doing to have to use subtitles every week, or are these people going to learn how to talk?
That's weird. I understood every word. :shrug:
You have a gift, my friend.
I have an ear for it. My father was fluent in gibberish.

 
So the killer they were chasing the whole episode was Hannibal, right? But then it end up being some guy with a family? What'd I miss? :confused:

 
So the killer they were chasing the whole episode was Hannibal, right? But then it end up being some guy with a family? What'd I miss? :confused:
They were chasing the guy they got, but Hannibal threw in a copycat kill with the girl in the field.

 
Watched it last night...very good. Why did Lector make the call to let the real killer know they knew about him?
I think it was a courtesy call to a fellow serial killer and he is Hannibal Lector so he was screwing with everyone just to see what might happen
 
Watched it last night...very good. Why did Lector make the call to let the real killer know they knew about him?
I think it was a courtesy call to a fellow serial killer and he is Hannibal Lector so he was screwing with everyone just to see what might happen
I Think its so the arrest would be a fight and the bad guy would die. You can't have the guy admit to all but one killing
 
Watched it last night...very good. Why did Lector make the call to let the real killer know they knew about him?
I think it was a courtesy call to a fellow serial killer and he is Hannibal Lector so he was screwing with everyone just to see what might happen
I Think its so the arrest would be a fight and the bad guy would die. You can't have the guy admit to all but one killing
Nice I never thought about that, that is even better.
 
So the killer they were chasing the whole episode was Hannibal, right? But then it end up being some guy with a family? What'd I miss? :confused:
They were chasing the guy they got, but Hannibal threw in a copycat kill with the girl in the field.
Isn't it the total opposite? They're chasing Hannibal, and the guy they caught was just a copycat. The other profiler talks about how the copycat killer would have a daughter and had real rage towards women, which is different from all of the other killings.

 
So the killer they were chasing the whole episode was Hannibal, right? But then it end up being some guy with a family? What'd I miss? :confused:
They were chasing the guy they got, but Hannibal threw in a copycat kill with the girl in the field.
Isn't it the total opposite? They're chasing Hannibal, and the guy they caught was just a copycat. The other profiler talks about how the copycat killer would have a daughter and had real rage towards women, which is different from all of the other killings.
That is how I interpreted things
 
So the killer they were chasing the whole episode was Hannibal, right? But then it end up being some guy with a family? What'd I miss? :confused:
They were chasing the guy they got, but Hannibal threw in a copycat kill with the girl in the field.
Isn't it the total opposite? They're chasing Hannibal, and the guy they caught was just a copycat. The other profiler talks about how the copycat killer would have a daughter and had real rage towards women, which is different from all of the other killings.
I don't think so. The girl on the bed had that piece of metal on her. That's what tied them to the guy that got shot. Unless the girl on the bed and the girl on the antlers were both copycat kills...

 
So the killer they were chasing the whole episode was Hannibal, right? But then it end up being some guy with a family? What'd I miss? :confused:
They were chasing the guy they got, but Hannibal threw in a copycat kill with the girl in the field.
Isn't it the total opposite? They're chasing Hannibal, and the guy they caught was just a copycat. The other profiler talks about how the copycat killer would have a daughter and had real rage towards women, which is different from all of the other killings.
I don't think so. The girl on the bed had that piece of metal on her. That's what tied them to the guy that got shot.
Exactly, can't believe the others missed this key factor.

 
So the killer they were chasing the whole episode was Hannibal, right? But then it end up being some guy with a family? What'd I miss? :confused:
They were chasing the guy they got, but Hannibal threw in a copycat kill with the girl in the field.
Isn't it the total opposite? They're chasing Hannibal, and the guy they caught was just a copycat. The other profiler talks about how the copycat killer would have a daughter and had real rage towards women, which is different from all of the other killings.
I don't think so. The girl on the bed had that piece of metal on her. That's what tied them to the guy that got shot.
Exactly, can't believe the others missed this key factor.
:goodposting:Father was going to lose daughter to college, thus the kidnapping/killing of girls that looked like his daughter. Hannibal did the copycat killing.
 
meh.

I think I've become spoiled by shows from AMC, HBO, and even Showtime. I thought this was pretty weak - will give it a week or so, but I just saw a bunch of gimmicks.

 
All in all a great pilot episode.

Only gripe was the Lecter call to the killer. Just a huge risk. What if the killer got caught alive and this came up. Nitpicking I guess considering Lecter doesn't seem to adverse to risk.

Did Lecter say to Will:

"You are like a mongoose that hides under the house when a snake slithers by." Couldn't understand that part.

I would take that to mean Will is debilitated by fear but he's actually the one that should be feared. Or maybe I just completely misheard. :loco:

 
The Garret guy was also a cannibal, right?

I am also not sure if the mongoose/snake line was a burn or a compliment. I am going to say it to a few people today and see how they react.

Edit- safe to assume that was brain and butt sausage they were eating??

 
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The Garret guy was also a cannibal, right?I am also not sure if the mongoose/snake line was a burn or a compliment. I am going to say it to a few people today and see how they react.Edit- safe to assume that was brain and butt sausage they were eating??
Yes, the butt gives you the fat and the brain the flavor and just the right amount of spice.
 
just watched ep1 on demand and thought it was good and a lot better than Bates Motel. haven't seen ep2 yet. Thought Hannibal was easy to understand about 95% of the time.

 
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It's creepy for sure and I personally love the Hannibal character.

I'm not a huge fan of the way the main character "becomes the criminal and feels what he felt". Seems a bit hokey to me.

 
Now that Will has improved his shot, the next law enforcement skill he needs to improve is clearing the gun. That had to be the worst kick ever.

 
NBC is skipping ahead next week, airing the 5th episode instead of the 4th.

NBC’s ‘Hannibal’ Drops Episode Involving Children Turned Killers

NBC‘s new Hannibal Lecter drama Hannibal will skip an episode of its 13-episode order. The episode, titled “Ceuf”, originally slated for next Thursday, won’t air. Instead the following episode, “Coquilles”, will run in its place, with “Ceuf” shelved indefinitely. NBC quietly sent out an alert with the scheduling change on Monday, several hours before the Boston bombing, though the premise of the pulled episode is more closely related with the December Newtown massacre. Per NBC’s official description, In “Ceuf”, “a string of family murders takes place and Will (Hugh Dancy) determines they were conducted by each of the families’ missing children, who were abducted and brainwashed into killing their old families for their sinister “new family.”

Such storyline would be questionable in any social environment, but for what it’s worth, Hannibal writer/executive producer told Variety the episode was filmed before the Newtown tragedy. “Whenever you [write] a story and look at the sensational aspects of storytelling, you think, ‘This is interesting metaphorically, and this is interesting as social commentary,” he said, stressing that it was his idea to pull the episode.
 
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Sarnoff said:
NBC is skipping ahead next week, airing the 5th episode instead of the 4th.

NBC’s ‘Hannibal’ Drops Episode Involving Children Turned Killers

NBC‘s new Hannibal Lecter drama Hannibal will skip an episode of its 13-episode order. The episode, titled “Ceuf”, originally slated for next Thursday, won’t air. Instead the following episode, “Coquilles”, will run in its place, with “Ceuf” shelved indefinitely. NBC quietly sent out an alert with the scheduling change on Monday, several hours before the Boston bombing, though the premise of the pulled episode is more closely related with the December Newtown massacre. Per NBC’s official description, In “Ceuf”, “a string of family murders takes place and Will (Hugh Dancy) determines they were conducted by each of the families’ missing children, who were abducted and brainwashed into killing their old families for their sinister “new family.”

Such storyline would be questionable in any social environment, but for what it’s worth, Hannibal writer/executive producer told Variety the episode was filmed before the Newtown tragedy. “Whenever you [write] a story and look at the sensational aspects of storytelling, you think, ‘This is interesting metaphorically, and this is interesting as social commentary,” he said, stressing that it was his idea to pull the episode.
Bad idea. It's a show about murder- you're going to pull an episode anytime someone gets murdered? Take a week off if you need to, but show the damn episodes in their intended order.

Either you have the balls to run this type of a show or you don't.

(edit: I see this is Fuller's request and not NBC making this call, but I still hate when shows deviate from the original production order...especially given this one features the slow build of Graham and Lecter front and center.)

 
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Stupid premise for the pulled show anyway. Glad they pulled it.

We don't want this turning into "The Following" after such a stupendous start.

 
The journalist girl having access to every crime scene is pretty ridiculous.

Not sure this show is gaining any traction with viewers yet people watch CSI and Criminal Minds and NCIS by the gillions.

 
NBC is skipping ahead next week, airing the 5th episode instead of the 4th.

NBC’s ‘Hannibal’ Drops Episode Involving Children Turned Killers

NBC‘s new Hannibal Lecter drama Hannibal will skip an episode of its 13-episode order. The episode, titled “Ceuf”, originally slated for next Thursday, won’t air. Instead the following episode, “Coquilles”, will run in its place, with “Ceuf” shelved indefinitely. NBC quietly sent out an alert with the scheduling change on Monday, several hours before the Boston bombing, though the premise of the pulled episode is more closely related with the December Newtown massacre. Per NBC’s official description, In “Ceuf”, “a string of family murders takes place and Will (Hugh Dancy) determines they were conducted by each of the families’ missing children, who were abducted and brainwashed into killing their old families for their sinister “new family.”

Such storyline would be questionable in any social environment, but for what it’s worth, Hannibal writer/executive producer told Variety the episode was filmed before the Newtown tragedy. “Whenever you [write] a story and look at the sensational aspects of storytelling, you think, ‘This is interesting metaphorically, and this is interesting as social commentary,” he said, stressing that it was his idea to pull the episode.
There was a nice compromise made. Fuller released most of the episode, minus the "objectionable content" for a webisode.

You can watch each part here.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/04/25/see-the-first-hannibal-webisode-taken-from-pulled-episode

That will fill in some blanks prior to watching the full episode which aired on NBC tonight.

 
I really like this show but two things bother me:

1 - Dr. Lecter's pacing seems off all the time. A scene has a flow to it and the dialogue of each character always seems to match the flow other than Lecter's - his pacing and even timing are always "off" to me.

2 - I don't understand the need for Will's dream sequences. I always just stop paying attention when they are on the screen.

 
Saw the last episode today...I officially dig this show. The music was awesome and the forward momentum is definitely picking up. Just not sure how they can keep the tension for more than a couple of seasons.

 
They need to pick up the action earlier in the episodes. Every week during the first half hour, I say to myself "they're losing me"... then the endings are always great. A little more beginning-to-end consistency would be nice.

 
I enjoy the show. Fishbourne decent on this. What is odd is the female reporter. She's really out of a comic book movie like a Schumacher batman flick. Just out of place. Problem I foresee with this is dragging out capturing Hannibal. If they are smart they capture him in one season. Use his brain in the next. Then he escapes. Then you catch him in the end. That could be 5 seasons if you do it right. Don't drag it out.

 
I really like this show but two things bother me:

1 - Dr. Lecter's pacing seems off all the time. A scene has a flow to it and the dialogue of each character always seems to match the flow other than Lecter's - his pacing and even timing are always "off" to me.

2 - I don't understand the need for Will's dream sequences. I always just stop paying attention when they are on the screen.
:shrug: I like the way they are doing those sequences..

Maybe I'm wrong here but I see those as his subconscious trying to tell him that the "Elk", aka Hannibal, is playing with him.

A couple episodes back the Elk sniffs his arm in the middle of the street, later in the episode Hannibal sniffs him.. And even though he is disturbed at the sniffing, and the Elk in Hannibal's office has him curious, he still hasn't put the two together.

Loved the episode when he is having dinner with The head of the Loony Farm and Lecter says "It's nice to have old friends for dinner".. Didn't seem he wasn't talking about the two at the dinner table... Then the flash back to him killing Fishborne's trainee made you think they were eating her :eek:

 
Loved the episode when he is having dinner with The head of the Loony Farm and Lecter says "It's nice to have old friends for dinner".. Didn't seem he wasn't talking about the two at the dinner table... Then the flash back to him killing Fishborne's trainee made you think they were eating her :eek:
The "head of the Loony Farm" is the guy from "Silence of the Lambs" he said that line about, too.

 
snogger said:
I really like this show but two things bother me:

1 - Dr. Lecter's pacing seems off all the time. A scene has a flow to it and the dialogue of each character always seems to match the flow other than Lecter's - his pacing and even timing are always "off" to me.

2 - I don't understand the need for Will's dream sequences. I always just stop paying attention when they are on the screen.
:shrug: I like the way they are doing those sequences..

Maybe I'm wrong here but I see those as his subconscious trying to tell him that the "Elk", aka Hannibal, is playing with him.

A couple episodes back the Elk sniffs his arm in the middle of the street, later in the episode Hannibal sniffs him.. And even though he is disturbed at the sniffing, and the Elk in Hannibal's office has him curious, he still hasn't put the two together.

Loved the episode when he is having dinner with The head of the Loony Farm and Lecter says "It's nice to have old friends for dinner".. Didn't seem he wasn't talking about the two at the dinner table... Then the flash back to him killing Fishborne's trainee made you think they were eating her :eek:
I didn't think the Hart represented Hannibal, but what do I know?

The White Stag

The white stag is a familiar creature of myth and legend. Its origins are likely in the totemic period of early Indo-European society, particularly the northern societies of the Celts and pre-Indo-European cultures, whose subsistence was gained not only through agriculture, but through hunting.1 This dependence on deer may be seen in the zoomorphic Celtic god Cernunnos, depicted as being a man with the antlers of a deer.

The white stag in Celtic myth is an indicator that the Otherworld is near. It appears when one is transgressing a taboo--such as when Pwyll tresspassed into Arawn's hunting grounds, or when Peredur entered the Castle of Wonders in his second adventure at the house of the Lame King. It also appears as an impetus to quest--the white stag or hart often appears in the forests around King Arthur's court, sending the knights off on to adventure against gods and fairies. (C. S. Lewis uses this device at both the beginning and end of The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe.2)

It also appears in French romance and lais as a similar indicator, such as in the lais of Marie de France, when Guigemar happens upon the strange sight of a white doe with antlers. He wounds the strange, hermaphroditic--note that word--animal, which curses him to grow up and fall in love.

It is also an important element of Hungarian mythology, which believed that a great white stag led the brothers Hunor and Magar to settle in Scythia. Thus were established the Huns and Magyars.

To Christians, the white stag came to symbolize Christ, perhaps in part inspired by the St. Eustace legend, wherein the Roman soldier Eustace is hunting, and happens upon a deer with a cross between his antlers. Eustace converts on the spot, and is put through numerous tragedies, persecutions, etc., including the death of his family, until being miraculously reunited with them. However, it is clear that this pious legend has pagan predecessors.

It is also worth noting that in Christian iconography, the unicorn is a symbol for Christ. There is a close identification between the white stag and the unicorn, and it can be reasoned that the white stag is the equivalent of the unicorn in these northern cultures, which do not record the existence of unicorns.3

The white hart also was the heraldic symbol of England's King Richard II.

The first thing to examine is the color: white is a symbol of purity, while also a symbol of otherworldliness. The white stag in Pwyll penduc Dyfed has a white body with red ears--the typical colors of otherworld creatures (the hounds of Arawn are also this color).

It is also associated with the sun; in Christian iconography, the stag appears with the sun between its horns. Earlier gods associated with the stag were also nature deities: Cernunnos, Fionn, Gwynn ap Nudd. Santa Claus--that half-memory of Odin/Thor--is drawn by eight reindeer--who may or may not be white. (If they live at the North Pole, they most likely are ;-)

The deer, finally, was a source of life, an important resource for early man.

Ultimately, the white stag is not only a creature of the gods, but is a god himself, symbolizing the creative life force of the universe--sex, life, and also death.
 
snogger said:
I really like this show but two things bother me:

1 - Dr. Lecter's pacing seems off all the time. A scene has a flow to it and the dialogue of each character always seems to match the flow other than Lecter's - his pacing and even timing are always "off" to me.

2 - I don't understand the need for Will's dream sequences. I always just stop paying attention when they are on the screen.
:shrug: I like the way they are doing those sequences..

Maybe I'm wrong here but I see those as his subconscious trying to tell him that the "Elk", aka Hannibal, is playing with him.

A couple episodes back the Elk sniffs his arm in the middle of the street, later in the episode Hannibal sniffs him.. And even though he is disturbed at the sniffing, and the Elk in Hannibal's office has him curious, he still hasn't put the two together.

Loved the episode when he is having dinner with The head of the Loony Farm and Lecter says "It's nice to have old friends for dinner".. Didn't seem he wasn't talking about the two at the dinner table... Then the flash back to him killing Fishborne's trainee made you think they were eating her :eek:
I didn't think the Hart represented Hannibal, but what do I know?
I tend to look for things that are not there so I could be off base.. But with him continuing to have dreams with the Elk following him, and then the constant showing of the Elk in Hannibal's Office I am just assuming that the two are connected.. :shrug:

 

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